Comment on Podcast Episode 4 – Turnbull Hutton by johnnymanc.
Much of the discussion on here relates to a certain football team and what their position is in Scottish Football and therefore whether or not they are worthy of any special treatment from their fellow clubs, the authorities (football and in general) and our ‘chums’ in the media.
Much of the angst surrounding said team is based on their alleged position as ‘a Scottish institution’, the ‘dominant force’, the ‘most successful club’ or simply ‘the people’.
So let’s look at some simple facts, i.e. championships won in each decade.
Now, as much of this blog and it’s forerunner RTC is based on the premise that the titles won in the 90s were the result of cheating as proven in the LNS case (10 out of 11 ‘guilty’ verdicts despite the joke conclusions i.e.The Bryson Ruling and No Sporting Advantage), I have removed them from the following table. It makes very interesting reading.
Decade Titles won by Titles won by
‘Other’ Teams Rangers
2000s 6 4
1980s 7 3
1970s 7 3
1960s 7 3
1950s 6 4
It is worth noting that ‘others’ doesn’t just mean Celtic, clearly the New Firm were prominent in the 80s but many on here might not realise that in the early 60s Dundee and Kilmarnock won the league, in the 50s Hearts and Hibs each won 2 apiece.
In the pre-war days there is no doubt that Rangers were the dominant force by a long way, 14 of 19 titles in the 20s and 30s.
So basically what this whole mess is about is that some people want things to go back to the way they were before WWII! That sums up the ridiculousness of the shenanigans surrounding the Ibrox club, All their absurd overspending is to maintain an illusion that hasn’t been reality since The General Strike and the days when Chamberlain was bringing peace to Europe 🙄
Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday were among the dominant forces in the 20s and 30s in England! Times change, dominant organisations lose their power and everyone deals with it unless they are stuck in the past.
LNS – A Summary
Like many on here, I was sitting here thinking (no i’m not Charlie Nicholas) about the continual claims of ‘certainty’ from the blue side amongst others that ‘title stripping won’t happen’, that there is no appetite for it and good old Sandy Bryson’s claim that the registrations were valid at the time and there is no mechanism for retrospective action. Add this to the current situation where DK is looking to be pals again with chairmen, reconstruction is suddenly on the agenda due to a strong Hibs challenge and clearly there’s something afoot.
Could it be a simple as this….Rangers did register their players correctly, in other words when contracts were being approved someone at the top, yes you CO, was shown the side-letters and thereby was in a position to approve the registration because he had seen the complete remuneration package?
If this was the case you can imagine that HMRC would be rather annoyed, to put it mildly, with the SFA for being complicit in a tax evasion scheme and of course the SFA would be petrified that this news could come out hence the determination from nearly all sides to ‘move on’?
This would explain an awful lot….literally!
SFM – The Next Steps
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May 21, 2015 at 6:37 pm
According to Paul Murray they used to sell 500 000 taps a year!
What’s the problem?
500 Million fans worldwide (c)Charles Green
I make that one in every thousand fans buys a top
Remember…They are the People, well one in every 14 people on the Planet by Charlies reckoning is one of the people!!
Seems reasonable to me!
Well about as reasonable as thinking a liquidated club is still alive..
SFM – The Next Steps
Re Danish Pastry
“Why ‘Scottish’ football supporters sing about ‘Old Derry’s Walls’ when their team scores a goal is still an enigma wrapped in a sash, to me at least. ‘Mancunian Candidates’? Are there any psychiatrists on the blog who can explain this phenomenon?”
Apart from all the sociological reasons I think it’s simply that they have very few pro-Rangers songs because they are defined by their hatred of XY&Z.
I know this isn’t a Celtic blog but I reckon that the top songs likely to get belted out at Celtic Park and joined in by the majority of the stadium are; You’ll Never Walk Alone, The Celtic Song, I just Can’t Get Enough, Willy Maley, Glasgow’s Green & White, Fields of Athenry…… and I know most clubs have a repertoire of acceptable club songs without resorting the less savoury ones. Perhaps we just need to give the new club a chance to develop a decent song book….no I don’t believe that’ll happen either…..once a b*goted supremacist with a false sense of entitlement always a …..
Did Stewart Regan Ken Then Wit We Ken Noo?
Thank you Auldheid for reminding us all what this ‘obsession’ with Rangers/Sevco and the SFA is all about and it is summed up in one word; cheating!
I watched Soccer AM yesterday and there was a Celtic supporting actor on who, whilst being a genuine fan, is clearly clueless as to what has been going on. When asked if he wanted ‘Rangers’ in the top flight he said it was a travesty that they weren’t there and he missed the ‘Old Firm’ games.
Being in Englandshire I’m constantly asked the same question and my answer is always the same, I don’t want them anywhere near us unless they’ve been punished for their cheating.
The SMSM are determined to mix up the two issues of financial mismanagement SINCE Murray (although CW, GC and MA have probably managed it exactly the way they wanted) with the deliberate deceptions which took place DURING his era. The more the focus is on the post Murray shenanigans the less they hope the spotlight will be shone on Bryson, Ogilvie, LNS et al.
The beauty of what you have done during this campaign is to factually show without any shadow of a doubt that the rules have been ignored.
I would like to think that at some point Regan might realise that his chances of promotion to a ‘bigger pond’ would be enhanced by being seen to have cleared up this mess rather than sweep it under the carpet.
Likewise I would hope that some proper journalists would take this up if Conflicted Campbell is ever punted for a UEFA where he could ensure this can all be forgotten about!
Spot the difference?
Couple of observations on the current sectarianism/racism issues from Englandshire.
Firstly regarding the ‘it’s the schools fault’ brigade, England has faith schools of all religions and doesn’t have the sort of sectarian issues which are far too prevalent in Scotland.
Secondly regarding the Chelsea racist fans, they have been condemned by the club, by their own fans and by the media without exception……….no-one and I mean no-one, to my knowledge, has retorted with ‘yeah but not all Chelsea fans are racist’ or with ‘ok but what about west ham/spurs etc’. They seem to able to criticise and express disgust for the incident on it’s own merits (lack of!)
Compare that to how our utterly pathetic SMSM – yes we know you lurk here – are incapable of treating and condemning Rangers bigots in isolation.