Podcast Episode 4 – Turnbull Hutton

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Podcast Episode 4 – Turnbull Hutton

 

Turnbull Hutton

Turnbull Huttonis the chairman of Raith Rovers. He has been lauded by TSFM readers as a man of courage and integrity who shares our views about the game – and who has never shirked away from calling out those who don’t.

But what motivated him to take on the largely thankless challenge of devoting himself to his local team?

What are his plans for Raith Rovers? What are his views on the SFA, League reconstruction, Armageddon, and a whole load of other things.

Not to mention the savouring of a still-fresh recent cup win.

It would I think, take an earthquake of Jovian dimensions to disconnect Hutton’s connection to terra-firma. Born and brought up in Burntisland, he is wedded to plain speaking and of course to Raith Rovers.

My sense is of a man who eschews the Scottish Football Blazer culture, who is instinctively suspicious of politicians and other bandwagon jumpers, and who has a sense of optimism about the future of our game.

Like many other directors at clubs across the country, he and his colleagues are often required to dig deep into their own pockets to keep their clubs alive, their sole reward being the satisfaction of doing so (and the occasional cup win!).

Before retirement he was joint managing director of Diageo Operations Scotland, and in that role he helped facilitate the Bells sponsorship of Scottish football.

Just short of buying a Rovers Season ticket, I couldn’t have been more charmed, but had I expected a dewy eyed idealist with zealot’s agenda over the sins of the authorities, I would have been wrong.

Hutton is very much  pragmatist. He knows exactly what has gone wrong, but feels that the game most urgently needs some of Auldheid’s “Truth & Reconciliation” before it can sort itself out.

Hutton is a somewhat reluctant hero. He is flattered when I tell him of the regard he is held in here, and complimentary about the level of debate on TSFM, where is a regular reader .

When I spoke to Turnbull at his Edinburgh home, I was treated to a warm welcome by him and his wife Margot, as well as coffee, biscuits, chat, and a lesson in the dynamics of running a championship club; from leading a debt-ridden Rovers into profit last year, to the dilemmas inherent in boardroom redecoration 🙂

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Big Pink is John Cole; a former schoolteacher based in the West of Scotland, He is also a print and broadcast journalist who is engaged in the running of SFM . Former gigs include Newstalk 106, the Celtic View, and Channel67. A Celtic fan, he is also the voice of our podcast initiative.

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ecobhoyPosted on7:39 pm - May 9, 2014


scapaflow says:
May 9, 2014 at 4:26 pm

Ranger’s fans can identify themselves as Ranger’s fans, whatever the corporate origins of the team in blue playing somewhere in the Glasgow area. I only stipulate that they take all the history, you can’t celebrate the British Empire, without also owning the castration of the Mau Mau, going to war with China so we could sell their citizens illegal drugs etc etc etc
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I have been at pains to make it clear that the view I expressed is my personal view of my club and I am well able to separate my emotional Barbara Cartland side from my legalistic personality’s view of a football club and I would have thought any regular poster on here might have noticed that in my postings.

It goes without saying that my legalistic view is identical for all clubs – there should be no exceptions. But I believe my personal view is mine and I am happy for any other fans to have their personal view if they wish to.

And I don’t accept that Rangers Supporters need to be the conscience for all the ills of the British Empire and Colonialism which IMO were arms of Capitalism.

Considering that Glasgow was the 2nd City of the Empire for a spell in the 1800s when it expanded enormously and grew rich off the back of the British Colonialism we have to accept that a high percentage of the Scottish population has benefitted from Empire Trade.

Indeed Clydeside Shipyards did enormously well building ships for the US Confederate States and in supplying munitions which were paid for in cotton picked by slaves. A very dark part of Scottish History and the British soldiers in Kenya weren’t just Rangers Supporters but also supporters of a large number of other clubs.

As to China many of the original large banks and merchants established there were founded by Scots and built on the opium trade. Few hands are clean from the blood of Empire and we all need to recognise that history and all our complicity in it and not just Rangers fans.

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scapaflow

scapaflowPosted on7:56 pm - May 9, 2014


ecobhoy says:
May 9, 2014 at 7:39 pm

I don’t think Ranger’s fans should be held responsible either for the ills of the Empire, or, for every dodgy deal in the Blue room. But, I believe very strongly that you can’t cherry pick history, celebrate the good bits by all means, bit also recognise and accept the ugly bits. Those that fail to do so, inevitably fall foul of Burke’s maxim:- Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.

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ZilchPosted on8:35 pm - May 9, 2014


Great news about the Jambos today – delighted for all concerned. The club and its fans have gone way up in my estimation as a result of the dignified manner in which they have handled such a traumatic situation.

Whilst Scottish football can survive the loss of any given club, it is all the richer for still having Hearts.

I hope the young guys that have played their guts out for them this season are able to build on that experience and return them to the top division very soon.

Hope AJ and EJ are having a celebratory swally tonight!

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SmugasPosted on8:35 pm - May 9, 2014


Castofthousands says:
May 9, 2014 at 5:38 pm

Cheers CoT. Kind of the way my thought process was going as well. I recall in RTC days posting that the second they split the club from the company, or more correctly, the ethereal cloudy thingy from the physical reach-y out and touch-y assets, then they ran the risk of leaving precisely those assets isolated. It would appear vultures like Laxey agreed with me and will now require their pound of flesh to budge (no hearts-related pun intended).

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jean7brodiePosted on8:36 pm - May 9, 2014


My personal view, for what it is worth, is this.
If anyone, irrespective of football allegiances,should find themself in the situation that TRFC fans are in now, arrogance is the last characteristic which should be displayed.
Unfortunately this has not been the case to date.
I wish I could turn a blind eye to this arrogance but when bombarded by it daily, and not just by SMSM. I find it hard to do so.

I wish some humility would be shown by those involved. Some progress could then, perhaps, be made in repairing the damage done.

‘Humility is not cowardice.
Meekness is not weakness.’

Swami Sivananda

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ZilchPosted on8:39 pm - May 9, 2014


Ran foul of the auto-moderation. The last line can be restated as:

Hope AJ and EJ are having a celebratory swaally / bevvy / alcoholic beverage – you get the picture….

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TailothebankPosted on8:54 pm - May 9, 2014


BACK TO THE FUTURE !

Very recently for the first time in years I was in the East end of Glasgow and witnessed the’ jaw dropping’ improvements in the area overall including the environs surrounding the football and other stadia. The general modern look and feel of the place post regeneration is fantastic ….A place with a real future… An absolutely remarkable transformation and turnaround!..No wonder the Cup Finals are hosted out there and all the various Commonwealth Games events in the new facilities just built will also do us all proud I am sure.
As it happens a day or so later I had the misfortune to drive through Govan past Ibrox Park again for the first time in a while ..dearie me ! What a contrast ..an industrial and social wasteland and a completely run down Victorian edifice (still adorned with legally questionable livery ). I thought to myself no-one in their right minds would source anything of consequence there ..would they?..(.then I thought of the SFA of course !)
Driving through this wilderness and listening right then to the radio news feeds that various RFC fan groups are rebelling against the board I couldn’t help get out of my mind comparisons with 20 year ago where the footballing and related landscape in the two sides of Glasgow was as follows :

In 1994 One club had:

A highly respected strong and competent Board with real leadership adored by the fans
A modern state of the art stadium
A league winning squad with players sought after in England
Fans looking forward to years of domination and Champions league football
A club with Access to Finance with apparently all sorts of great plans
A widely respected football manager with a big future

In 1994 the other had :

A board seemingly out of it’s depth not knowing where to turn universally hated and reviled by the fans
A decrepit stadium needing huge investment
A worthless squad playing some of the worst football ever seen
Fans looking forward to years of ridicule and penury living on past glories
A club in danger of going burst on a monthly basis
An incompetent football manager

NOW IN 2014 what do we have ?

YIP! … plus ca change plus c’est la meme chose!

Whether you believe the Machiavellian theories about SDM subtly influencing BOS to pull the plug on CFC or accept a simpler view of good banking management practice ultimately forcing a club’s fans and key players to oust the owners thus finding a way sensibly to avoid catastrophe …a chain of events was put in place that took 20 years to manifest itself in an outcome which can only be described as one of the most delicious pieces of irony imaginable coupled with a classic example of the law of unintended consequences.
Put simply the well recorded behaviour of SDM ably aided and abetted by Farry ,Ogilvie et al at the SFA over the years brought about this complete 360 degree transformation in fortunes. Their actions were ultimately responsible for driving their opposition to their current domination.
We spend days on end on this blog trying to get the SFA held to account for their plethora of misdemeanors … to get the FTT or LNS overturned, to get justice on and on …but for those RFC groupies in the SFA and the SDMs of the world ..they have their punishment already ..honestly a simple trip to the East end and then Ibrox will tell them exactly what they accomplished in the last 20 years ..unless of course they want to say that 20 years of fake silverware and £50m of EBT payments pocketed by most favoured sons and heroes to the absolute detriment of their club counts for anything …(and btw that might not last too long if proper justice is to prevail in due course )

What a legacy the SFA and SDM have left those fans on the South side

Meanwhile back at the humble SFM our job continues to be to get this lot exposed for good get justice done and get everything back to a level playing field as best we can

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AllyjamboPosted on8:57 pm - May 9, 2014


Zilch says:
May 9, 2014 at 8:39 pm

I was of the opinion that coming out of administration is no cause for celebration, and only intended having a wee toast to those who have done so much to save my club. I now realise that the news of our continuation has come at the same time Ann Budge has bought the club for the benefit of the supporters, so perhaps a celebration of this new beginning is in order. Sadly I’m working tonight, as I type, and don’t actually go home when I finish shift (sleeping in, sadly) but have brought a wee miniature in with me on the off-chance the news was about to break. Roll on eleven o’clock!

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jean7brodiePosted on9:06 pm - May 9, 2014


Tailothebank says:
May 9, 2014 at 8:54 pm

Absolutely brilliant post.

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RyanGosling

RyanGoslingPosted on9:08 pm - May 9, 2014


Tailothebank, apologies if I’m misinterpreting you, but you seem to be linking the regeneration of the east end with Celtic’s resurgence, and the dereliction of the south side with various unsatisfactory actions of Rangers? The regeneration of the east end is a result of huge public investment due primarily to the forthcoming Commonwealth games. Less well off people of the east end have benefitted from this, which is great. Unfortunately the less well off people of the south side have not benefitted from such investment and have the misfortunte to live in a very undesirable area. To draw conclusions that this has anything to do with football is ridiculous.

Again, apologies if I have misinterpreted.

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wottpiPosted on9:11 pm - May 9, 2014


Ann Budge
This is a great day in the history of our Club.”
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This is a great day in the continous history of our Club.”

There, sorted that for you 😛

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ecobhoyPosted on9:18 pm - May 9, 2014


scapaflow says:
May 9, 2014 at 7:56 pm
ecobhoy says:
May 9, 2014 at 7:39 pm

I think you have erred by attributing the quote: ‘Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’ to Edmund Burke as the actual originator circa 1905 was the philosopher George Santayana.

Santayana’s observation has spawned many variations but obviously none by Burke as he was long-dead before Santayana was born.

The confusion arises because Burke did state: ‘People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.’

From a philospohical standpoint it’s interesting that the confusion arises because Burke IMO refers to a conscious decision not to tap into ancestral knowledge rather than mere memory loss.

And the important thing about that is that Santayana arrived at his conclusion on the premise that where there is no retention of an experience then ‘infancy is perpetual’. His evidence was based on his understanding of ‘savages’ and their lack of retention of life experience in his erroneous opinion.

Personally I have always rejected Santayana’s rather trite comment because it is based on the casual and unenlightened racism of the times which regarded many highly enlightened native populations as merely ‘savages’. On such false maxims was Colonialism built by many European countries. Many of these natives had rich oral, written and illustrated histories which drew heavily on the wisdon of their ancestors.

And not to forget the power of the Maxim Gun which slaughtered countless millions of natives whose dead bodies were the foundation of the British Empire and those of other European Powers of the day.

My view of my club encompasses the total sum of its history that I am aware of and there are many bits I ain’t proud of but obviously there is more that I am happy with. However it is up to individuals to make their own decisions on the issue and I might comment or advance my opinion but I don’t require that anyone accept it or even discuss or acknowledge it.

And that’s one of the things I take exception to on the Rangers issue – people are entitled to their own opinion and to express it even if I think it’s a load of old cobblers. They can’t just be forced to change it to suit my perceptions even if I think they are totally wrong.

And I don’t think it helps, no matter however tangentially, to link a group of supporters to being responsible for the Chinese Opium Wars or the mutilation of Mau Mau members in Kenya. That will tend IMO to restrict the opportunities for a meaningful dialogue that might not find a common agreement but possibly an understanding of how the different viewpoints have been arrived at.

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easyJamboPosted on9:22 pm - May 9, 2014


It appears that Hibs have turned away BT Sport from Easter Road earlier today, when they were looking to set up their equipment to cover the Hibs v Killie game tomorrow.

Now I can understand it if Rod Petrie believed that he could sell more tickets, but I suspect that it won’t make a whole lot of difference at this late stage.

The SPFL as a whole is so dependent on TV coverage, it seems astonishing that one of its Board members would reject live coverage of arguably the highest stakes match of the SPFL season.

What are BT supposed to take from this decision? That clubs can dictate to them which games are covered? Or that the SPFL doesn’t value BT’s investment in Scottish Football. If I was looking after BT Sport’s budget, I’d be thinking again about covering Scottish football if I was unable to show the key games live.

I think Rod Petrie should be considering his positions on the SPFL and SFA Boards, unless there is an overriding reason for tonight’s decision.

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RyanGosling

RyanGoslingPosted on9:44 pm - May 9, 2014


Ecobhoy at 9:18 – supremely well said sir.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on9:45 pm - May 9, 2014


easyJambo says:
May 9, 2014 at 9:22 pm

“BT Sport SPFL @BTSportSPFL · 23m
BT Sport won’t be showing the @HibernianFCClub v @OfficialKillie game as we’ve been unable to get approval from the SPFL and the home club.”
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In fairness, EJ, it might not be all Hibs’, or even any of Hibs’ fault going by this BT Sport tweet. Looks like those at Hampden are still looking to create Armageddon!

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John ClarkPosted on9:50 pm - May 9, 2014


Let me add my congratulations to Heart of Midlothian FC.
And what a good statement from Anne Budge: no false triumphalism, no exaggerated claims of ‘entitlement’, no canting nonsense about ‘wee fly kicks’ or ‘enemies at Hampden’ or in the Press.Not even a (justified) reference to the general lack of concern in the media compared to the massive propaganda efforts made on behalf of the new club on the block. Rather, a quiet, moderate and cautious enjoyment of the moment, and an expression of genuine thanks to so many who had the intelligence to think about organising behind trustworthy leaders , prepared to put their own money at risk unlike South African based ,and base,charlatans.Or directors with their own cynical, selfish interests as their only motivation.
I think it has been another good day for Scottish Football in that a club has been honourably saved from liquidation and death.
( And I second the suggestion that Bryan Jackson would be an interesting podcast guest. I have only to hear him on radio to feel the reason why Scotsmen in law, commerce, trade and journalism were once so highly respected by the rest of the world, as much for their personal integrity as for their expertise)

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TailothebankPosted on9:53 pm - May 9, 2014


Ryan G .9.08
Btw I am one of your biggest supporters on here..and without I hope being patronising you should be proud of yourself coming on here and defending your club in a very difficult environment .we need more of you big time on here. For what it is worth .I personally want a new and completely cleaned up RFC free from all the bigotry garbage right up there at the top of Scottish football challenging on a level playing field given their size and scale .
That said The centre point of my post is in my comparisons of the football clubs 1994 to 2014 and the disaster visited on RFC by SDM and his acolytes and placemen at Hampden and the surely unintended dynamic given to their opponents .that comparison and the output of their (ie SFA / SDM) efforts for the last 20 years i am sure you will reluctantly agree with.
If SDMs ‘moonbeams ‘ as they are called elsewhere had come to pass ..we will never know …but I would humbly suggest the south side might well have been the centre piece of the commonwealth games and not the east end …so no apologies from me ..so ..sorry not ridiculous but rather i think very relevant !
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ecobhoyPosted on10:01 pm - May 9, 2014


RyanGosling says:
May 9, 2014 at 9:08 pm

The regeneration of the east end is a result of huge public investment due primarily to the forthcoming Commonwealth games. Less well off people of the east end have benefitted from this, which is great. Unfortunately the less well off people of the south side have not benefitted from such investment and have the misfortunte to live in a very undesirable area.
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I think it’s important not to view this as just a tale of two areas but more a city-wide problem caused by the catastophic economic decline of Glasgow over an extended period mainly caused by the loss of its heavy industrial manufacturing base.

It has been particulalrly noticeable when contrasted with the soaring fortunes of Edinburgh.

However back to Glasgow and the regeneration of the East End which has required massive amounts of State Aid – which is acceptable by the EC for regeneration purposes. The process has been underway for some time and there is no doubt that the Commonwealth Games have provided a real impetus and frosted the cake with icing sugar.

But all sorts of other areas in the City are deeply in need of real regeneration and not just a cosmetic facelift but there are huge pressures on public money and in Scotland we haven’t emerged as far from a horrific recession as parts of England and in particular London and the south-east.

However for many reasons it was ever thus and always will be and I have no doubt that even if Scotland votes for independence we could end-up with similar dynamics between different areas suchs as Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen.

Having spent quite a bit of my youth in the east end I am pleased to see the developments but I want to see my whoile city alive again where being in work is the norm and not the dismal existance of generational employment within families which erodes ambition and eventually destroys incentive and then hope and with it confidence and self-respect.

Our City has sunk pretty far and it will be a long and difficult way back for a lot of our people and possibly the most corrosive thing is that the despair can breeds and bolsters the old evils that lie just below the surface and spark new ones.

Poverty strikes across religious lines – a bit like the Irish Famines – and we have to tackle it as a united community because if we don’t devious politicians will attempt to foster envy and generate anger to achieve their own usually twisted political ends.

That’s why work has to be done to build communities that have shared visions and common purposes irrespective of the origin or religion of community members. Real change needs an involved community who are empowered by being able to make and influence the decisions that shape and influence their lives..

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RyanGosling

RyanGoslingPosted on10:02 pm - May 9, 2014


Tailothebank, thank you for your kind words.

As to the rest of your post, I believe this will be one of those occasions where people have to respectfully agree to disagree. I think the east end as a whole was very deprived, and coupled with a large expanse of waste ground opposite Celtic Park where the velodrome has been built, right next to Celtic Park which would obviously play a major role in the games, made the east end a good place to invest which has thankfully benefitted many residents (although sadly not boosted property prices!). I don’t think it has anything to do with football. But that’s my view, you’re obviously entitled to yours. Peace.

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Palacio67Posted on10:03 pm - May 9, 2014


Tailothebank says:
May 9, 2014 at 8:54 pm
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BACK TO THE FUTURE !

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Great Post, a true recollection of events. a 360 degree turnaround of fortunes, that I am glad to have taken a part in.

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TailothebankPosted on10:14 pm - May 9, 2014


Ryan:
Peace ..mon ami !

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easyJamboPosted on10:22 pm - May 9, 2014


Allyjambo says: May 9, 2014 at 9:45 pm
In fairness, EJ, it might not be all Hibs’, or even any of Hibs’ fault going by this BT Sport tweet. Looks like those at Hampden are still looking to create Armageddon!
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Grant Russell ‏@STVGrant · 9m
STV understands Hibernian informed the SPFL of their decision to decline the television broadcast on Thursday. http://bit.ly/1uKKkju

If I’ve understood the discussions that have taken place on Twitter, the decision was Hibs to make. I accept their right to make it, but I don’t believe that it is a financial one, although there is no extra money to be had from BT from it as the coverage is for a package of games over the season. This just happens to be the 38th game of the regular season and Hibs already have the bonus of it being their 20th home game.

The SPFL rules make reference to 4 games per season at a club’s home ground, while it seems that the TV contract says six. Either way Hibs have apparently had 7 games covered, thus must have given permission for the 7th game to be covered post split (Hibs v Hearts on 27/4).

There has been nothing on the Hibs website during the week to indicate that there would be no live TV coverage to boost ticket sales. Indeed they have been offering free and heavily discounted tickets in any event.

I am an armchair fan as far as this game is concerned, but I would like to see it on TV because of the circumstances of the game.

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ratethisthenyabampotsPosted on10:28 pm - May 9, 2014


I’m hearing that a certain Mr.Baxendale has ” left the country”. Offices and staff left hastily. Is there a decision imminent?

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John ClarkPosted on10:28 pm - May 9, 2014


Danish Pastry says:
May 9, 2014 at 8:57 am
‘….The D&P deal with Charles looks like the sale of century. ‘
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I was reflecting the other day on the fact that, as far as I know, we never heard directly from Lord Hodge that he had accepted the IPA’s ‘clearance’ of D&P of the allegation that they might have been ‘conflicted’.
The assumption is that he got their report and accepted it, just never bothered to tell us! Fair enough, maybe.
But, I wonder, did the IPA look at anything other than the possibility of there having been ‘technical conflict’? Did they examine the whole handling of the Administration? Did they look at the whole job done by Clarke ( canny remember-has he got an ‘e’?) and Whitehouse and conclude that there was nothing dodgy about the ridiculous valuation of the assets, or with the favoured position of CG , or of the administrators being party to discussions about how the football authorities dealt with a new club?
I expect that they did not.
But I rather think that BDO might well be questioning all these things, as the process of the Liquidation continues.
I feel in my bones that collars will be felt.I am sure that many creditors will feel that those collars ought to be felt!

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ecobhoyPosted on10:49 pm - May 9, 2014


Tailothebank says:
May 9, 2014 at 8:54 pm

I can see why Ryan might feel a bit sensitive over bits of your post which I have just read. OK the initial scene-setting is laid on a bit thick and only the tumbleweed blowing past Ibrox was missing – btw I mentioned it the other day 🙄

However I think the post fairly reflect the feelings of the vast majority of Celtic Supporters and possibly some from other clubs. I haven’t actually researched this and am just going on personal recollection/knowledge which is that the problems in Glasgow’s east end were much more widespread than in Ibrox/Govan and I wonder if the atrocious poor health and mortality rates in the east end could be matched anywhere else.

The east end regeneration is huge but it had to be or it wouldn’t have worked and one of the major and highly expensive problems was the road network and motorway access as opposed to Ibrox which sits atop the motorway network.

There has also been some successful partnerships with the private sector and in societal terms I think it was better to build houses on Robroyston rather than a training facility for Celtic. It might have been even better to build factory units and create employment but there is often a real chicken and egg situation between housing and factories. In any case Celtic correctly considered it bad business to pay housing rates for a piece of ground that was being put to a greenbelt compatible use viz a training ground.

But with the Games I think housing was defo the right decision. It’s important that the whole area looks good for the worldwide media coverage that will be generated and with a bit of luck Glasgow might get a spin-off in creating further development.

I can’t remember now how many jobs the Murray casino and hotel was meant to create but it was always a bit of a flyer and when the political climate went against the UK casino gambling bonanza getting underway it finished the development if my memory serves me correctly.

I also think it’s important to remember that Fergus McCann made the SFA realise that he wasn’t a patsy who would tug his forelock and take their pash. He was a different kettle of fish from the families and Park Circus knew they had a problem with him.

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ianagainPosted on10:50 pm - May 9, 2014


ratethisthenyabampots says:

May 9, 2014 at 10:28 pm

I’m hearing that a certain Mr.Baxendale has ” left the country”. Offices and staff left hastily. Is there a decision imminent?
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Wot?

Has his gorgeous assistants fled too? The architect flees? What the source for this?
Jings

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weescotsmanPosted on10:52 pm - May 9, 2014


Jeez damn near spat my beer out…. a hopeful poster on RM wondering if they should re-sign Barry Ferguson, he’s better than anything we currently have and… I quote “Pirlo type figure”…………. 😯 😯 😯

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RyanGosling

RyanGoslingPosted on10:57 pm - May 9, 2014


Ecobhoy just for clarfication, the only thing I took issue with in Tailothebank’s first post was the notion that any regeneration etc. had anything to do with football. The areas around both Ibrox and Parkhead were pretty appalling in recent years. The east end benefitted from being dolled up for the upcoming games. As a resident, I have enjoyed seeing the improvement in the area, and I think it was a good decision to choose the east end to host the games and receive the resultant regeneration. The improvement in transport links as you say has been great. The only thing I was sensitive about really was the notion that this regeneration had anything to do with Celtic’s preceding regeneration!

Don’t want to be thought of as over-reacting by responding to you on this, I just wanted to be clear on what I was saying. To be honest, discussions regarding the regeneration of the east end and the further development required here and in Glasgow as a whole are fascinating topics to discuss but perhaps not overly relevant to this forum, otherwise I’d happily discuss this at length!

Finally – lest than five minutes to go AllyJambo, enjoy your beverage.

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ratethisthenyabampotsPosted on11:04 pm - May 9, 2014


Ianagain, my statement, if I did not believe it, would not be shared on here. I can however assure you that if there any gorgeous assistants going spare, you can be rest assured that you are second in the queue. Scottish football needs newly unemployed dodgy film stars.

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ianagainPosted on11:16 pm - May 9, 2014


ratethisthenyabampots says:

May 9, 2014 at 11:04 pm

Ianagain, my statement, if I did not believe it, would not be shared on here. I can however assure you that if there any gorgeous assistants going spare, you can be rest assured that you are second in the queue. Scottish football needs newly unemployed dodgy film stars
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Is the Surrey office defacto deserted then?

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Lord WobblyPosted on11:29 pm - May 9, 2014


RATETHISTHENYABAMPOTS says:
May 9, 2014 at 10:28 pm
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I’m hearing that a certain Mr.Baxendale has ” left the
country”. Offices and staff left hastily. Is there a decision
imminent?
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I’m sure he won’t be short of a ‘honey bunny’.

PS. Ryan. Apologies if I offended you with my ditty a few days ago. I’m otherwise engaged at the moment, so I may have misjudged the current mood.

Of course, it is always possible that you may need to work on your sense of humour.

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ratethisthenyabampotsPosted on11:31 pm - May 9, 2014


Ianagain, from what I hear, yes. Left in the lurch. Maybe our Phil can confirm/dig.

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Lord WobblyPosted on11:39 pm - May 9, 2014


LORD WOBBLY says:
May 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm
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RATETHISTHENYABAMPOTS says:
May 9, 2014 at 10:28 pm
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I’m hearing that a certain Mr.Baxendale has ” left the
country”. Offices and staff left hastily. Is there a decision
imminent?
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I’m sure he won’t be short of a ‘honey bunny’.
PS. Ryan. Apologies if I offended you with my ditty a few
days ago. I’m otherwise engaged at the moment, so I
may have misjudged the current mood.

Of course, it is always possible that you may need to
work on your sense of humour.
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PPS. Ryan. Please stick with it. I don’t always agree with you, but like Adam from the RTC days, I value your counterpoint.

Just work on your sense of humour. There’s a good chap.

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ianagain

ianagainPosted on11:42 pm - May 9, 2014


ratethisthenyabampots says:

May 9, 2014 at 11:31 pm

Ianagain, from what I hear, yes. Left in the lurch. Maybe our Phil can confirm/dig.
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Phil Mc G
As the purveyor of EBTs to MIM and the rest it is certainly worth a look at that (on the face of it a happy wealthy guy) ups and disappears.
Did he get on the Wrong bus?

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coineanachantaighePosted on12:01 am - May 10, 2014


easyJambo says:
May 9, 2014 at 9:22 pm
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Thing is, all the teams in the bottom half of the split have had their games re-scheduled to 12.15 pm because one of the games was going to be live on TV at this time. So fans have been mucked about again for no good reason.

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ianagain

ianagainPosted on12:06 am - May 10, 2014


James from the Drum also, any clues as to Mr Baxendales untimely disappearance?

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scapaflow

scapaflowPosted on12:16 am - May 10, 2014


ecobhoy says:
May 9, 2014 at 9:18 pm

Ah Eco, in penance for my infelicitous analogy, I shall immediately beat my maxims into ploughshares!

[Reading The Armstrong’ Nose at the moment :mrgreen: ]

Wasn’t Santayana recasting Burke’s statement?

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John ClarkPosted on1:04 am - May 10, 2014


The posts about the pornographer leaving the country prompted me to have a wee look at wiki.
” Paul Baxendale-Walker, also known under the pseudonym Paul Chaplin,[1] is a talk show host, former lawyer and an author of legal text books. He is, together with Andrew Thornhill Q.C., the author of The Law and Taxation of Remuneration Trusts[2]”
Andrew Thornhill QC!
Am I the only one who did not know that he was co-author with the pornographer?
Seemed such a nice chap as well, at the UTTT!

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on1:20 am - May 10, 2014


ratethisthenyabampots says:
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I’m hearing that a certain Mr.Baxendale has ” left the country”. Offices and staff left hastily. Is there a decision imminent?

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News today of HMRC being allowed direct access to bank accounts of persistent tax offenders.
(Lots of Tory avoider aplogists up in arms etc.)
Coincidence?
Possibly!
Personally, I would like to hope that this is an example of the system finally catching up with those who thought they ran it (a la Scottsih footbal and RFC) … on account of ‘running’ something and ‘running rings around it’ being ultimately incompatible.
But I am not holding my breath.
Warm feeling persists of BBC execs being rumbled when getting paid through holding companies etc. Irony is if they hadn’t launched cutbacks into news & current affairs, we’d probably never have found out about it! Such is the world in which we bring up our naive and innocent children, eh!!

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Danish PastryPosted on6:35 am - May 10, 2014


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One can only hope their (D&P’s) card is marked, John. Although, until now, most of the main characters have lived a charmed life. I’ve not much faith left in the judges involved either (bar the one described as a ‘Celtic fan’ who is about to rule on the tax appeal appeal, jury still out on him, so to speak), your excellent court reports notwithstanding.

OT
On the Hibs thing, I have sympathy for the chairman. The absurd TV deal brokered by Neil ‘Bonus’ Doncaster meant Hibs could lose bums on seats for no extra TV windfall. Outrageous when you think that lowly Cardiff and Vince Tan will get a cool £65m in their sky rocket for being the EPL’s absolute losers. There is something rotten with the state of Scottish football when the game’s rulers mismanage it, invent and bend rules, talk the leagues down predicting doomsday, then sell the product to TV companies at a knock-down price. Let’s have ‘fair-trade’ fitba rates.

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BarcabhoyPosted on8:53 am - May 10, 2014


The article below from todays Herald confirms what was discussed on here some weeks ago. There are 315 employees who will be deprived of their entitled pension they worked for and had a right to expect. This at the time the owner of their employer helped himself to a £6million EBT and £10’s of millions in salary and bonus. Whilst Murray was failing in his responsibility to his employees he was busy borrowing and failing to pay back £hundreds of millions from a largely state owned bank. He in addition ran a major football club into the ground , again using other people’s money. He also engaged in illegal tax evasion schemes with the football club and operated a deception scam to cheat every other Scottish Football Club for over a decade.

Yet the SFA don’t deem it worthy of investigation and the UK government have allowed him to retain his knighthood for ” services to business”

When the full story of Murray’s behavior is exposed, and it will be, then the SFA and UK government will also be exposed as craven cowardly and complicit.

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Scott Wright
Group business correspondent
Saturday 10 May 2014
TRUSTEES with the pension fund of former Rangers owner Sir David Murray’s conglomerate have been rebuffed after calling for the scheme’s deficit to be paid in full amid concerns over the group’s “worsening financial position”.

deal: Sir David Murray’s MIH is due to meet trustees for further negotiations over the pension plan next week.
Murray International Holdings, chaired by Sir David, has been approached by the trustees to pay off the £22.5m deficit, having stopped making additional payments to fund it in September.

The pension scheme has 315 members, including 75 pensioners. Some 240 are members whose pensions have yet to come into payment.

MIH insisted it is “not denying the scheme is an issue for the group” and declared that it has been “engaged with the trustees to try to find a compromise solution” since March 2013.

Mike McGill, group finance director at MIH, said: “We are not sitting here in abject denial. We are aware it is an issue and we are actively managing our way through it.

“We are not unlike other corporates with [issues] over legacy defined pension schemes.”

A deal struck in April 2010 had seen MIH agree to fund the deficit by £1m a year through monthly contributions while making further payments arising from asset disposals as they occurred.

The company stopped making additional payments in the third quarter of last year.

In a letter to pension fund members seen by The Herald, trustee Stephen Foster at actuaries Punter Southall states that concern over the group’s “worsening financial position” has led to pursue a possible buyout of the plan with specialist insurance firms.

Mr Foster states in the letter that the trustees agreed earlier this year to a company proposal to “jointly explore a route, financed by a lower and unquantified company contribution, by which the benefits to be provided by the plan would be scaled back but would exceed the lower benefits provided by the Pension Protection Fund (PPF)”.

The aim would be to recover as many of the benefits from the plan as possible on behalf of its members.

With the agreement of MIH, Mr Foster confirmed that two companies have offered to provide quotations. These quotes are expected to be discussed when the trustees and MIH meet next week.

In the letter, dated April 24, Mr Foster said: “The extent of the “scaling back” of benefits remains to be agreed but the company’s position is that, with so few asset disposals remaining, they will not be able to make a substantial contribution”.

Mr McGill said MIH has made “substantial payments” of around £10m into the scheme since between regular contributions, which it continues to make, and contributions arising from asset disposals.

And he declared that the letter from the trustees to the pension fund members “omits the fact the company has been engaged since March 2013 to try to find a solution”.

Noting that it was MIH which had appointed the independent trustee, he said: “We are still engaged in these discussions with the trustees.

“We also involved the pension regulator to fund the best outcome.”

Asked why the pension fund was in deficit, Mr McGill highlighted the fact people are living longer and bond yields being at an “all-time” low in the UK.

In the company’s most recent accounts, MIH hailed the progress made by its asset disposal and debt reduction plan in the year ended June 30, 2013.

The company reduced its debt pile by £23.3m over the year, however net debt stood at £346.7m at the end of the accounting period.

It raised £22m by offloading its Premier Hytemp oil and gas business in November 2012, while PPG, its commercial and industrial property division, netted disposal proceeds of £18.1m. PPG has booked a further £104.4m of disposals since year end.

The accounts were filed shortly after MIH sold the majority of its assets held by Murray Estates, its residential property arm, to Murray Capital for £13.9m.

Writing in the accounts, Sir David highlighted the progress on disposals and debt reduction as a “significant and a very credible performance”.

But in notes to the financial statements, the board and shareholders reveal uncertainty over continuing bank funding and the group’s liability to a staff pension and life assurance plan cast “significant doubt upon the company’s ability to continue as a going concern”.

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valentinesclownPosted on9:13 am - May 10, 2014


Barcabhoy says:
May 10, 2014 at 8:53 am
Yet the SFA don’t deem it worthy of investigation and the UK government have allowed him to retain his knighthood for ” services to business”
When the full story of Murray’s behavior is exposed, and it will be, then the SFA and UK government will also be exposed as craven cowardly and complicit.
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I always said I could wait for justice in Scottish Football, but now it cannot come quick enough. Mr Murray and the SFA have no shame.

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pau1mart1nPosted on9:29 am - May 10, 2014


ianagain says: James from the Drum also, any clues as to Mr Baxendales untimely disappearance?

premature more apt ?

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scapaflow

scapaflowPosted on9:37 am - May 10, 2014


Barcabhoy says:
May 10, 2014 at 8:53 am

HMRC appear to have had a good week, Gary Barlow, amongst others, not so much!

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/10/take-that-stars-face-the-music-after-tax-avoidance-ruling

The beaks do seem to have responded to the massive shift in public attitude toward those who aggressively “manage” their tax affairs. It rather reminds me of the shift in attitudes towards drink driving, which went from feeling sorry for those caught on the early days, to zero tolerance these days.

Now if only the footballing beaks would exhibit a similar attitudinal readjustment.

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Danish PastryPosted on9:42 am - May 10, 2014


Barcabhoy says:
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And so it goes on.

Very telling that Murray has somehow managed to keep his name quite un-connected with the football bit of the story in recent years. You’d almost think he knew folks in the media.

Knight of the Realm? Thought that was about protecting the weak and fighting evil and injustice? No doubt an honour awarded by the nation that built an empire out of nicking other people’s countries, enslaving their inhabitants, and pilfering all their valuables. Come to think of it, Murray quite deserves his title 🙂

PS Anyone know if neutrals can buy Cup Final tickets at the gate on the day?

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mirrenmanPosted on9:52 am - May 10, 2014


Palacio67 says:
May 9, 2014 at 10:03 pm

Tailothebank says:
May 9, 2014 at 8:54 pm
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Great Post, a true recollection of events. a 360 degree turnaround of fortunes, that I am glad to have taken a part in.

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It it not a 180 degree change in fortunes 😉

Anyway, Congrats to Hearts. I hear you are bringing a large crowd through to Paisley for the game today.
Everything to play for as we can finish anywhere from 7th to 10th position.

Armageddon …..ppfftt

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parttimearabPosted on9:53 am - May 10, 2014


Danish Pastry says:
May 10, 2014 at 9:42 am
PS Anyone know if neutrals can buy Cup Final tickets at the gate on the day?
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SFA website only has links for purchases through Utd or St Johnstone – could be that segregation has ruled out a neutral section or, more probably, it never occurred to them that neutrals might want to attend 🙄

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Danish PastryPosted on9:57 am - May 10, 2014


pau1mart1n says:
May 10, 2014 at 9:29 am
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ianagain says: James from the Drum also, any clues as to Mr Baxendales untimely disappearance?

premature more apt ?
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May be unconnected with tax.

Perhaps another hunny bunny is suing him for premature ejection while trying to get her hands on his valuables? I expect Julian and Sandy would suggest that he’d popped out for an ounce of rough shag, but Round the Horne is no longer with us, and that sort of comment is off-limits here so I won’t make it. Where will we next vada Mr Paul’s dolly old eek, I wonder?

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ecobhoyPosted on10:19 am - May 10, 2014


Barcabhoy says:
May 10, 2014 at 8:53 am

The article below from todays Herald confirms what was discussed on here some weeks ago. There are 315 employees who will be deprived of their entitled pension they worked for and had a right to expect. This at the time the owner of their employer helped himself to a £6million EBT and £10′s of millions in salary and bonus. Whilst Murray was failing in his responsibility to his employees he was busy borrowing and failing to pay back £hundreds of millions from a largely state owned bank. He in addition ran a major football club into the ground , again using other people’s money. He also engaged in illegal tax evasion schemes with the football club and operated a deception scam to cheat every other Scottish Football Club for over a decade.
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Worth remembering that it wasn’t just footballers who got EBTs but there is a small number of Murray Group employees who got them as well.

As usual the majority will end-up being hard-hit and the chosen ones are still laughing all the way to the bank.

I note:

MIH sold the majority of its assets held by Murray Estates, its residential property arm, to Murray Capital for £13.9m.

I wonder exactly what MIH assets have been sold to companies which have a Murray presence and is there a Murray ‘presence’ in Murray Capital?

Somehow I doubt if the Murray clan will be short of a bob or two in their retirement. However who knows what will emerge once people realise that their retirement is going to be more of a struggle than planned for.

Loyalty and omerta in these circumstances stretches only so far in my experience 😎

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James DolemanPosted on10:23 am - May 10, 2014


ianagain

News to me but I’m tied up with the Brooks/Coulson trial so not really staying on top of the tax thing. Would suggest Mr Baxendale may have other reasons to do a midnight flit, never seen any suggestion he is in any way liable for how EBT scheme operated at Ibrox.

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EKBhoyPosted on10:25 am - May 10, 2014


Catching up ….. Seems to me that there is a split down the Middle of the Rangers support and boardroom, which will result in the time-honoured ” something will turn up strategy” being follow followed.

I suspect the board are praying to get to the domestic season finished and the World Cup and golf filling the sports pages …. And to bounce the club into a different direction,world cup final day or marching day!

Limited options , run up even more debts and then take the ground in lieu of payment ; as above until some crazy tax break from the original investment kicks in , Dec 2014?.

Meanwhile , the business will run along the Fear Uncertainty Doubt (FUD) principles with incremental cuts and non-payment of bills the order of the day. Short term survival dependent on the season ticket money; would guess that around 12,000 will take up the offer ( pure hunch as this equates to the Celtic number around the time of the last few games pre-Fergus. – the hard core support) ; and the efforts to find a mug-punter to pile in some cash will continue.

I guess for non-Rangers fans , we can sit back and enjoy / grimace at what is going on at Ibrox , the only choice for the Rangers fans to return to some sort of pre Lord Murray status and some tough love is required by:

– no season ticket money
– boycott of games
– appeal to the SFA for an inquiry into Rangers
– appeal to the Police to investigate Rangers

The current entity will require to be crashed ,reformed , playing out of Hampden , possible after 1 years break , a humble and genuine apology to Scottish football and then move on.

How the SFA and SPFL can sit back and watch this shambles with one of the key players in the tv money stream is beyond reason, still when did reason and logic ever play a lead role in Scottish football.

The reality of what is going behind closed doors will be much worse than the tip of the iceberg we see played out in the press ….

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AllyjamboPosted on10:44 am - May 10, 2014


easyJambo says:
May 9, 2014 at 10:22 pm

Thanks for clarifying that, EJ. Looks like BT were maybe doing the decent thing and not laying the blame totally at Hibs’ door. It certainly won’t help with negotiations for next season’s package (or whenever it’s due for renewal), that’s for sure. It’s probably the most critical and drama filled Premiership game of the season and would possibly have created one of BT Sports’ biggest audiences for Scottish football to date; but if Hibs think it will help them encourage a larger support today, then maybe, from their point of view, they’ve made the correct decision. Should have told BT immediately though, not let them suffer the embarrassment of being turned away. An embarrassment not just for them, but for the whole of the SPFL. Somebody must really want Armageddon!

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oddjobPosted on10:47 am - May 10, 2014


One thing that puzzles me about the latest Ibrox saga is the deafening silence of the Blue Knights st al Are they quietly concocting a rescue plan of their own? Or is Dave King their mouthpiece? Methinks they are like hyenas, lurking in the long grass, ready to slink in once the fat cats have killed the wildebeest, stripped the carcass and left the bones.

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GiovanniPosted on10:51 am - May 10, 2014


I’m sorry but every time someone mentions Hampden / closed doors / deafening silence etc etc I am reminded of the hilarious article by broganrogantrevinoandhogan last October “Scottish Football Administration in the 21st Century”.

http://archive.tsfm.net/index.php/2013/10/04/scottish-football-administration-in-the-21st-century/

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ecobhoyPosted on10:53 am - May 10, 2014


RyanGosling says:
May 9, 2014 at 10:57 pm

Ecobhoy just for clarfication, the only thing I took issue with in Tailothebank’s first post was the notion that any regeneration etc. had anything to do with football . . .
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It’s a complex issue with various chicken and egg scenarios. But there is no doubt that Celtic once its own regeneration began had the financial muscle to actually start to put in place the ‘Vision’ it had developed not only their stadium but, very importantly, the surrounding environs.

Patience and money was required so it all took time and to be fair there’s no doubt in my mind that the CG coming to Glasgow accelerated Celtic’s programme and some amazing bits will follow after the Games.

But Celtic had worked away for years putting together a landbank jigsaw for future development but obviously in the ever-developing process some of their acquisitions weren’t ultimately essential and with a lot of land/property purchases you end-up with bits that you don’t need or want but they are part of the deal.

This ‘extra’ land also became very important for activities associated with the Commonwealth Games and Celtic being the ‘good neighbour’ it is sold ground to facilitate the success of the Games and other sporting facilities.

Obviously this has attracted the ire of those who wrongly state that illegal State Aid was provided. The basic flaw in that argument IMO is that the work being done in the east end would qulaify for State Aid under EC Rules anyway so why on earth would Celtic or GCC or any of the many other public bodies accused of corruption need to do something illegal no matter how much they loved Celtic?

Madness born of despair IMO – Celtic has shown that to be successful you have to have long term plans and strategies and operate within your financial limnitations but be flexible and confident enough to act speedily if a gift horse presents itself on your doorstep in the shape of the CG.

The Celtic success – not just on the football field – is what creates the bile in those pulling the strings of the so-called Bear Land ‘Experts’ IMO. These people don’t look to the wider picture that Celtic is just a bit of a brilliant regeneration programme in Glasgow’s east end which has transformed the place for the benefit of the local people who comprise all creeds and faiths and differing backgrounds.

Hopefully in future we can see the same improvements in Ibrox with rangers playing their part and to be sure tentative steps have already been taken there with the purchase of the Albion car park and Edmiston House so lets hope they remain in the control of Rangers and don’t end-up lost because loans aren’t repaid.

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AllyjamboPosted on10:55 am - May 10, 2014


RyanGosling says:
May 9, 2014 at 10:57 pm

“Finally – lest than five minutes to go AllyJambo, enjoy your beverage.”
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Thanks for that, RG. Had logged off by the time you posted (discovered the Rolling Stones were on TV) but can assure you, my wee beverage, and quiet toast to those who have served Hearts so well, was most enjoyable 😀

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ecobhoyPosted on11:05 am - May 10, 2014


James Doleman says:
May 10, 2014 at 10:23 am

ianagain

News to me but I’m tied up with the Brooks/Coulson trial so not really staying on top of the tax thing. Would suggest Mr Baxendale may have other reasons to do a midnight flit, never seen any suggestion he is in any way liable for how EBT scheme operated at Ibrox.
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Somewhere, deep in my rusty memory banks, I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Baxendale’s very strict guidelines for operating the EBT scheme weren’t followed at Rangers. I could well be wrong but perhaps someone else might be able to identify a possible source for my memory fragment.

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RyanGosling

RyanGoslingPosted on11:12 am - May 10, 2014


Lord wobbly, I have a sense of humour. For example, I found your comment “work on your sense of humour, there’s a good chap”, with what I assume to be an intentionally humorously patronising “there’s a good chap” added at the end, to be highly amusing. In fact I had a good lol, as kids say these days. And while I’ve found several of the joking ditties etc regarding Rangers posted here to be funny, it’s only when there’s 15 in a row that it starts to drag a bit for me, which is all I was trying to say. Anyway, let’s not get into all that again.

Ecobhoy one final point of clarification I’d like to make is that I was in no way aligning myself with people claiming Celtic received state aid or implying that Celtic had done anything untoward.

Barcabhoy thanks for drawing that to our attention. I’m not defending Murray, however I don’t think he was doing anything out of the ordinary. Almost everybody pre 2008 was borrowing excessive amounts of money and claiming huge profits and wages, assuming the borrowing would be repaid with future profits which never materialised. Millions of the little guys have lost out while the big fish always got paid. It’s not only Murray who should have been and should be held to account for this, although obviously he has much more relevance to us here due to his links with and impact on Rangers.

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Danish PastryPosted on11:19 am - May 10, 2014


parttimearab says:
May 10, 2014 at 9:53 am
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Hopefully not. Can’t imagine any nastiness at a final involving these two teams. I’ll have to call the SFA’s High Heid Yin towers next week, I may be able to attend this one. If not, I’ll try to become an honorary Saintee or Arab for the day 🙂

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James DolemanPosted on11:32 am - May 10, 2014


Job opportunities down Govan way

New COO

http://www.odgersberndtson.co.uk/gb/executive-opportunities/opportunity-details/?tx_llproxy_pi1%5Brequest%5D=nNmroWpjaJajop6xj6aWoMulqWDG059npqqrz8zTfZukxZ_QX8fWod2jzaaZmZ9omGpmlw

CCO

http://www.odgersberndtson.co.uk/gb/executive-opportunities/opportunity-details/?tx_llproxy_pi1%5Brequest%5D=nNmroWpjaJajop6xj6aWoMulqWDG059npqqrz8zTfZukxZ_QX8fWod2jzaaZmZ9omGxplVqUpqhyy5-Y

The money must be rolling in

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artesianPosted on11:34 am - May 10, 2014


No too long ago ,a middle aged couple moved into the rental property very close to where I stay .It turns out one of couple was a senior Exec of the team that plays out of Ibrox ..and that they had taken a sudden notion to Sell up and move from their big hoose in Glasgow posh part and rent for a few months prior to taking early retirement
Fast forward to February this year and a forty foot shipping container appeared in front of the rental property into which everything including family car was crammed .The happy couple then bade farewell to windy rainy Scotland and set off for a happy retirement in a far off Sunny land which coincidentally happens to be one of those Jurisdictions well out the reach of her Majesties Revenue and customs .

The End

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ratethisthenyabampotsPosted on11:35 am - May 10, 2014


Ecobhoy, Paul McConville explains the problem with side letters here.

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/how-ebts-work-and-how-they-go-wrong-the-melchester-rovers-debacle/

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James DolemanPosted on11:35 am - May 10, 2014


“ecobhoy

Think that’s interview he did with Mark Daley for BBC doc, says he sold Murray on the scheme but they operated it against his advice by making payments part of contracted remuneration rather than bonus.

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woodstein

woodsteinPosted on11:54 am - May 10, 2014


ecobhoy says:

May 10, 2014 at 11:05 am

“Somewhere, deep in my rusty memory banks, I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Baxendale’s very strict guidelines for operating the EBT scheme weren’t followed at Rangers. I could well be wrong but perhaps someone else might be able to identify a possible source for my memory fragment.”

The men who sold the jerseys BBC 23rd May 2012 Try You Tube.
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wottpiPosted on11:57 am - May 10, 2014


James Doleman says:
May 10, 2014 at 11:32 am

As discussed a while back I am of the opinion that many on the Ibrox payroll from the SDM days were the ‘enemy within in’ terms of the largesse shown by the club. Bill Miller’s man Jon Pritchett clocked this early on and I believe Charles probably just exploited such behaviours to get what he wanted from the new company.

Wallace has clearly identified where the failings were in the past, in all previous regimes, and I am guessing that’s where we will see redundancies. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reference Wallace made to deals being made without appropriate legal advice may enable some people to be sacked or pushed out at minimal cost, e.g – go now when the going is good or we will be looking to pursue you through legal channels.

If the jobs advertised are for Ibrox then I for one am not surprised.

However it does seem a bit OTT to have another two high heid yins, presumably on top dollar salaries, when they still don’t have a pot to pyss in.

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yourhavingalaughPosted on11:58 am - May 10, 2014


I hear that there is an issue with the signing off regards the safety certificates for some of the venues involved in the Commonwealth games ,the Lady that is the responsible person is not happy at all,much work still to be signed of at these venues to comply.

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TAMJARTMARQUEZPosted on12:05 pm - May 10, 2014


OT, and I though someone else must have seen.

BBC Breakfast this morning showed clips of Terry Butcher and Allan Johnston being interviewed prior to who would be in the ‘lottery’ of the play-offs. (cannot remember any of the English play-offs being described thus).
However, on return to studio Charlie Stayt asked who was the manager who said “we need to score a goal to win”? Both Mike Bushell and Dan Walker didn’t seem to be familiar with Mr Butchers previous work!!!

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TincksPosted on12:15 pm - May 10, 2014


Logged in to post the link to the Take That “Icebreaker Partnerships” tax tribunal decision, but,
scapaflow says:
May 10, 2014 at 9:37 am
has beaten me to it.

Does this judgement have any relevance to or potential impact upon the MG/Rangers UTTT? Genuine question, can any of TSFM resident experts shed any light?

Thanks in advance.

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upthehoopsPosted on12:23 pm - May 10, 2014


ecobhoy says:
May 10, 2014 at 10:53 am

The Celtic success – not just on the football field – is what creates the bile in those pulling the strings of the so-called Bear Land ‘Experts’ IMO. These people don’t look to the wider picture that Celtic is just a bit of a brilliant regeneration programme in Glasgow’s east end which has transformed the place for the benefit of the local people who comprise all creeds and faiths and differing backgrounds.

Hopefully in future we can see the same improvements in Ibrox with rangers playing their part and to be sure tentative steps have already been taken there with the purchase of the Albion car park and Edmiston House so lets hope they remain in the control of Rangers and don’t end-up lost because loans aren’t repaid.
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For Rangers to rebuild to the level of Celtic will take a complete change in mindset for all concerned, including the support. At the moment success and being above Celtic has to be achieved yesterday and nothing else will suffice. Many recent comments from Dave King and Ally McCoist back up those views. The fact the media portrayed the view for so long that Rangers were bigger than they actually are, and that David Murray was a business genius, has created an illusion that will not be undone quickly.

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Tic 6709Posted on12:33 pm - May 10, 2014


Tom English is getting a bit of stick on twitter for supporting the no TV stance by Hibs.I am in total agreement with Tom on this.
BT were not paying anything extra to Hibs for broadcasting the game,so why should they take the chance that many swithering fans would stay at home.
There is Not One fan on here who thinks that the atmosphere at a really important game can be replicated by sitting on your sofa.
Hibs need every penny they can get,BT were chancing their arm on this one.
The BT deal will not be affected in any way because of the decision not to show the game.Why would it ?
Would it have been better to show rows of empty seats ?.

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paulsatimPosted on12:34 pm - May 10, 2014


ecobhoy says:

May 10, 2014 at 11:05 am

From the late, much missed Paul McConville

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/the-rangers-update-part-3a-the-big-tax-case/

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yourhavingalaughPosted on1:04 pm - May 10, 2014


The biggest roar of the day,so far,has been at St Mirren park,the home team is one up,but its the visitors that are cheering ,weird world that we live in.

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FinlochPosted on1:21 pm - May 10, 2014


Sneaky wee Chic briefing actively against Danny Lennon on Shortbread right now.
I could sense the smile on his face at knowing a sordid wee secret to share.
W something.

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John ClarkPosted on1:28 pm - May 10, 2014


Barcabhoy says:
May 10, 2014 at 8:53 am
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‘….UK government have allowed him to retain his knighthood for ” services to business” ‘
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A question from one of this year’s exam papers:

“A knyght ther was, and that a worthy man,
That fro the tyme that he first bigan
To riden out, he loved chivalrie,
Trouthe and honour, fredom and curteisie.
Ful worthy was he in his lordes were,
And therto hadde he riden, no man ferre,
As wel in cristendom as in hethenesse,
And evere honoured for his worthynesse.

He was a verray,parfit gentil knyght… ”

“To what extent would Geoffrey Chaucer’s description of his “Canterbury Tales” knight apply to any knighted business man in modern Scotland who has destroyed a football club AND a significant business while making sure that his personal finances are quite all right, thank you. Discuss, with relevant examples.”

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hamemadesoupPosted on1:44 pm - May 10, 2014


ecobhoy says:
May 10, 2014 at 11:05 am
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James Doleman says:
May 10, 2014 at 10:23 am

ianagain

News to me but I’m tied up with the Brooks/Coulson trial so not really staying on top of the tax thing. Would suggest Mr Baxendale may have other reasons to do a midnight flit, never seen any suggestion he is in any way liable for how EBT scheme operated at Ibrox.
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Somewhere, deep in my rusty memory banks, I seem to remember seeing somewhere that Baxendale’s very strict guidelines for operating the EBT scheme weren’t followed at Rangers. I could well be wrong but perhaps someone else might be able to identify a possible source for my memory fragment
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Was the pornographer not quoted somewhere as saying ” I can build you a vehicle but I’m not responsible for how you drive it ” , or something equally facetious ?

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