Podcast Episode 5 – Hibs Takeover ?

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Ecobhoy You misunderstand my point. It’s not to remove history. It …

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Ecobhoy

You misunderstand my point. It’s not to remove history. It is to recognise it as others see it and there bye open up the possibility that they will be as unhappy about it as others are.

That then means we are all on the same integrity song sheet.

As it is they say neether and we say neither.

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Podcast Episode 5 – Hibs Takeover ?
Ecobhoy

It would take a while for sure but not once the first step was taken.

The delay is in taking that first step. Once that happens there will be no need for any LNS type event which was but a reinforcement of denial and justification.

That step would lead to a metanoia as night follows day, a total change of mood music.

As a collective that seems impossible but if you read Cygnus post there was agreement at an individual level.

It just needs that kind of gathering to repeat itself between friends who support Celtic or TRFC for momentum towards that first step to grow and that should be encouraged.


Podcast Episode 5 – Hibs Takeover ?
Cygnus X-1
(rhapsodyinblue)

The solution of ripping up and start again is one suggested here by myself and others in the early days of this blog.

Hampden was suggested as the venue but was ruled out by Commonwealth Games and whilst at a higher level than in your scenario I think such a venture would attract 10 to 15k supporters at least, but the key factor would be the imposition of a verifiable policed financial control system to ensure New Rangers worked within a sustainable wage to income ratio. That would be fair play and so would help make integrity paramount. That also requires a new approach to governance and policing of it from the SFA.

Ibrox is an albatross/mill stone around Rangers supporters’ necks and should be jettisoned.

So much for the logistics but in 12 step language you cannot move on to a new life unless you have made an honest inventory of your past and made reparation where possible.

This is a painful but necessary process for your friends around the table. I bet that individually if they had the truth as others saw it and accepted the validity of our feelings of being wronged by deceitful practice that is provable, they would be ready to recognise the reason for your/our resentment AND because they had personal knowledge of you, apologies and try and make reparation.

So why can Rangers as an organisation of fans not do so?

There are two barriers:

Recognition of the truth

Recognition that individuals of other clubs who are the source of the truth consist of more friends than enemies that want what they want – an honest game honestly governed and are NOT their enemies. In short not dismissing the message for dislike of the messenger.

Something that might help overcome these barriers ( and this is for rhapsodyinblue) is to enter the pain of the truth for the reasons given in this article from three years ago about truth and reconciliation.

Nothing To See Here Timmy ā€“ Move On

It is the way forward because there has been wrong done and in terms of the gloating it has not been all by the one side and so it’s mutual forgiveness that is required, but an absolute requirement for forgiveness is recognition of wrong and until such time as that honest inventory takes place and reparation is made the denial of truth makes forgiveness and reconciliation impossible because without that self examination step and what flows from it what is to stop it all happening again and the gloating to continue?


Podcast Episode 5 – Hibs Takeover ?
See the SFA?

See if when they came up with the 5 way agreement they had insisted basic financial licensing protocols had been introduced and policed, does anyone think TRFC would not be in the same division they are in now but not in danger of going under?

Is Campbell still giving it the three monkeys routine?

Why are SMSM still allowing him to hide?

The SFA are up to their necks in incompetence in this saga from beginning to end.

Pennies (for that is all that is left) must surely be dropping by now amongst TRFC supporters.

Edit. And don’t give us The SFA President never interferes. That’s not what I’m hearing.


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UP THE HOOPS
The allegations on CQN that Bobby Madden has a gambling problem surely require his  removal from the the firing line until the allegators are proved wrong.
No snap decisions, just a leisurely swim until there is no question as to his motivations. 


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Dons/Hibees/Jambos and any other club wanting a UEFA spot.
Flogging players who have put TRFC near top of league is an admission those players unaffordable.
The solution is to make a licence for TRFC conditional on a realistic sustainable business plan. SFA are not doing their licencing job. Never have in fact.
So what questions are your club Directors asking the SFA?
Why not get them to ask UEFA if they are happy with the way SFA process licence applications from Ibrox. Seems UEFA not happy.
Proper club licencing can level the playing field a bit but it also protects all clubs from charlatans selling jam tomorrow.


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Allyjambo 21.41

Matthew Lindsay: Time for Dave King to depart Rangers – but who could take over at the Ibrox club?

Rangers need to be run by individuals whose integrity is beyond doubt.
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Do such individuals steeped in blue exist?

As rare as a dodo nesting on an iceberg in Carlisle Bay, Barbados.
” No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” Albert Einstein 
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/albert_einstein_130982


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I got my electronic copy of Not The View delivered yesterday.
Browsing through I thought I recognised The Christmas Tale offering and was pleased to read it as I had forgotten it was a tale I told at Christmas in 2012 (on CQN I think).
I think it worth repeating as a reminder of why SFM exists – because we love football and we love Scottish football and we aren’t done yet.
A CHRISTMAS TALE
See me?
 
See me?
 
Ah jist luv fitbaw.
 
Its funny cos I was never that interested until about age eleven when a good pal, who was destined never to see his 21st birthday after a car crash in Rome encouraged me to try it. John was there to become a priest but got fast tracked by the Big Man who knows a good guy when he sees wan.
 
John encouraged me to give it a go in Suffolk St.  We played “croassies in” with the metal pull down blinds that formed the gates to the interior of the Barras as goals. Plastic baws, Fridos then Wembleys, arrived about then and many a red hot poker made the game a bogey in a failed attempt at repairing a burst baw.
 
(I blame the whelk shells; they were aw ower the place from the Oyster Bar in the Gallowgate (where I was entrapped in the cellar two weekends in a row cleaning whelks and mussels) and the ravenous appetite of the Glasgow punter for shellfish.
 
I played fitbaw morning, noon and night and saw Glasgow Green pitches UPGRADED from black ash/clinker to red blaze. We thought we were Wullie Fernie playing on that stuff and there was a case for playing with 10 baws as teams were filled with tanner baw players (goalies were just last man standing) for whom the object of the game was to beat everybody else in the opposition before scoring or it wisnae a goal.
 
I remember wan night  at the Glasgow Green waiting to play for St Alphonsus v Our Lady of Fatima  when I saw Tony Green, who was a Mungo boy and went on to play for Newcastle and Scotland before injury ended his career too early, waiting, sannies under his arm, to get a game with any team who were a man short. I think the OLOF manager mugged wan of his boys as Tony appeared for them and turned a virtuoso performance against us to give OLOF a 3-2 victory.
 
I started work and went to London for a year to work in the old Post Office Savings Bank. In my first week Jock (a Jock) approached and asked if I played. He never mentioned the sport, he didnae hiv tae, we wur already communicating at the spiritual level only fitbaw lovers can reach (the kind of thing that electrifies CP on CL nights.)
 
I get directions fur a game oan the Saturday at Acton Town and turn up, new Puma boots, paid by my transfer grant, under my arm (nae sannies fur me) On entering the park ahm puzzled, there wiz GRASS everywhere, nae clinker or red blaze in sight.  “Must be roon the back of the dressing rooms “ I remember thinking.
 
Anyhoo I gets changed runs roon the back to see — MAIR grass as far as the eye can see. So I troop back tae the dressing rooms to get directions to the ash pitches. When I explain what ah wiz used to playin oan they aw jist looked at me like my village wiz searching fur their idiot.
 
Well I get sorted out and line up. The baw, I remember, wiz a size 5 orange wan, but no wan o they bricks wi laces. The first pass to me wiz high and ah chests the ball doon and whirls roon afore I get studded from the back as wiz the custom oan the narrow pitches of Glasgow Green. To ma amazement the nearest opponent to me is about 4 yards away. As I look into his eyes I smile and turn to Jock at the sidelines and shout.
 
“Yer gonnae need anither baw” as I meander off in pursuit of the only goal that counted for a tanner baw man. I think I managed 7 before netting and I’ll take that. It wiz oan unfamiliar grass after all.
 
 Postscript “Aye very guid Auldheid” yer thinking (if you have stayed with me so far.)
“Nice reminiscing and it is Christmas Eve, so thanks fur the memories. “
 
But there’s mer tae this tale fur
 
See me?
 
See me?
 
I jist luv fitbaw.
 
Its ma game, its  OOR game and when I see the mess those responsible for looking after its welfare have made of it ah want to do something.
 
I hope ahm not alone.
 
Dec 2012


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That Dave King is allowed any influence in Scottiish football is a dereliction of the duty of the SFA to protect our game from criminality.

Dave King should be called to account by the other clubs via the SFA to provide evidence he can do what he has promised, which is bank roll TRFC.

At the very least the clubs should be preparing for another insolvency event at Ibrox and deciding the conditions they will set for TRFC to continue taking part in Scottish football on the same basis as every other club, who act with the utmost good faith to fellow members.

The clubs via the SFA have the powers under Club Licensing to do so, powers that the SFA Comp Off can only conclude the SFA have failed to utilise. Powers that UEFA must have recognised by now as a result of Res12 letter of May 2016 and UEFA Licence submission this year, are not being used fully by the SFA.  

It was self preservation that underpinned the 5 Way Agreement . The dangers of that agreement – destroying integrity, undermining trust, ignoring deceit – become more and more manifest and should alert other clubs to the necessity to exercise their collective responsibility to each other and so to our game that they govern via the SFA on our behalf, using Club Licensing powers.

When a particular course of action designed to preserve self is not working it is human nature to try another course.

Not renewing STs come April/May unless positive trust restoring actions are taken by our clubs collectively, is one way of changing minds about what is self preserving.


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