Redistribution of Football Income – The Human Dilemma


Upthehoops 21st September 2015 at 7:07 am # “..the Scottish Government …

Comment on Redistribution of Football Income – The Human Dilemma by John Clark.

upthehoops 21st September 2015 at 7:07 am #
“..the Scottish Government do not care at all about the non-accountability and non-transparency at the SFA despite significant sums of public money heading the way of Hampden. ”
Your post reminds of a post of some time ago ( I think on the 3rd September)in which the poster ( and my sincere apologies to him/her for not noting the name) drew attention to the proposal by the Scottish parliament that a number of organisations ( private schools, providers of secure accommodation for children , and one or two other bodies)should be added to the list of those already covered by the FoI Act.

The poster suggested that we could try to have the SFA included in those proposals.( I don’t think there was actually any scope for adding to that list, but in any case the deadline for comments was the 4th September!)

But it did draw attention to the fact that a mechanism does exist to try to get Parliamentary/public support for having the possibility of the SFA being added to the list, and therefore being much more accountable to the electorate.

This might be something that could be mentioned at our Perth Symposium as something to be pursued?

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Redistribution of Football Income – The Human Dilemma
timomouse 20th September 2015 at 7:22 pm #
‘..On the SFA and their anti-doping record.’

The Cat NR1 20th September 2015 at 7:56 pm #

The SFA really do the put “FA” into the effective governance of professional football.

These two posts sent me, on a very quiet blog night, on a wee search on a wee search into the origins of statutory-based sports drug-testing.

It was an interesting exercise in civic self-education!

UKAD (united Kingdom Anti Doping) company number 6990867 is the agency ( part of the Department for Culture, media and Sport) which is responsible for drug testing in sport.

Under the ‘what we do’ heading on the UKAD webpage there is this statement

“It is integral to the nature of sport itself that spectators and participants of all sports are confident that the competition is clean.”

There’s lots of stuff about the testing of athletes, and banned substances, etc etc.

But there does not seem to be a word about testing whether the very Governance of a sport is clean!

A cheating athlete, a cheating football player, a cheating football club-owner is one thing ( aye, ok, three things!) , but a cheating national football association is an altogether much more serious matter.

Who tests for that?

Redistribution of Football Income – The Human Dilemma
easyJambo 19th September 2015 at 11:14 pm #
easyJambo 19th September 2015 at 11:15 pm #
Thanks for that, eJ.

I quickly googled, and found that
‘ The Review of Scottish Football was commissioned by the Scottish FA in May 2009’
and that the review included a visit to Rangers FC.

And I thought: how ironic, that a club guilty of the most monumental sporting cheating ever known in Scottish football would have been commenting on the state of Scottish football!

Never could two fingers have been so cynically shoved up the of Scottish football as they were then, whether by SDM personally or any of his board or management team! ( I can’t remember who was President of the SFA at the time)

Master cheat daring to air an opinion on how the sport stood!

Redistribution of Football Income – The Human Dilemma
jimbo 19th September 2015 at 9:42 pm #

‘…I don’t know if there is future for RSL or not. What I do know is it was more than vanity project for Merlin. There were many of their posters who took issue with DK & mini Murray and esp. DKs preposterous assertions. They were a breath of fresh air amongst the Gers support. Not idiots following breathlessly towards their doom…’
Personally, I have tried to remain indifferent to the utterances of the various factions supporting or challenging the many different Boards that have been in charge at Ibrox.

The internal squabbles and rivalries of RIFC/TRFC are none of my business.
They are all kind of irrelevant or at least secondary to the original cheating of SDM,
and not at all relevant to the complicity in that cheating, whether through negligence or something else, of the Football Authorities, in either allowing that cheating to happen, or in condoning its happening by failure to take the appropriate action, and by their weakness in allowing false claims by a new club to be accepted as the sporting truth.

The arrest of certain people has perhaps made the more socially responsible support realise that there are serious, really serious, matters involved here.

Matters that go far beyond the yah-boo ‘banter’ of rival fans.

Some have begun to question just what the heck SDM was up to:
and to begin to question whether they can accept the fundamental cheating he indulged in ( not the alleged tax cheating as such, but the cheating of the other clubs and the Football authorities by the breaking of the rules about disclosure of all payments made to players);
and to question the real significance of Liquidation, and the reasons why their various subsequent Boards HAVE to try to maintain the fiction of ‘continuity Rangers’;

and to question the reasons why the SMSM have thus far let them indulge in fantasies that bear (no pun intended, and only just noticed) no relationship to reality.

In the widest perspective, true ‘rapprochement’ between the genuine, honest supporter of the Rangers of old and the rest of mainstream Scottish Football, requires that that questioning will lead to recognition of the simple truth.

Your earlier post, jimbo, about creating bridges, might have been an encouraging step on the road to creating an opportunity for sensible, evidence-based dialogue.

You never can tell, and we live in hope.

Recent Comments by John Clark

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
My brother and I, auld men now that we are, meet occasionally for a pint or three.
We tend to pay homage to our late dad by visiting one of the pubs he used as a young man afore the war ( he lived in digs near Partick Cross) , or one of the pubs he used when we were kids during his working life at what  used to be Glasgow Corporation Tramways Parkhead depot,  or the pub he used in Tollcross in his retirement days.
So I feel for the patrons of what had been Annie Miller’s pub in Ropework lane.
If and when the new owners of the premises tart it up gaily as a feeder bar for their adjoining sauna, I expect that it will no longer be a ‘Rangers’ pub,a place of shared enjoyment of football memories and celebration of former days of glory.

Like the historic Rangers Football Club, Annie Miller’s is dead. Ceased trading in 2016. No longer exists as a ‘Rangers’ pub, any more than the Rangers Football Club of 1872 exists as a professional football club entitled to a place in Scottish Football.
That’s the reality.
There isn’t even a ‘Scottish Football Pubs Association’ prepared to create and propagate a lie  that ‘Annie Miller’s’ lives on, there have been no white or green knights/knaves rushing in to found ‘continuity Annie Miller’s’, no running-dog SMSM types betraying their avocation by propagating untruths…… convicted criminals begging, borrowing and making false promises about good times to come if only other folk will produce the readies…
Annie Miller’s is dead and gone.
Only a lie sustains TRFC Ltd.
And those who drank in Annie Miller’s know that.
And the evil men of the SMSM and the SFA know it, too.
May 2018 see them confounded, and their untruths exposed.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
FinlochDecember 30, 2017 at 20:42
‘…Craig took a Corinthian and undisciplined club going nowhere fast, rooted it into a previously ignored community and has achieved some incredible health and social goals deep into that community using football as glue.’
Beautifully expressed, Finloch.

Football as a glue of ‘community’

Of community trust,

of basic honesty,

of the  Corinthian spirit,

of sporting integrity….

and of all the virtues that the SFA has so spectacularly abandoned, in its determination to insist that Charles Green’s Sevcoscotland is entitled to call itself the Rangers of 1872

That such an incredibly monstrous perversion of truth of any kind, never mind sporting truth, is being, and has been for 5 years, propagated by our Football Governance body and supported by the SMSM is stark evidence of a deep, deep corruption at the heart of our sport, and, worse, at the very essence of our ‘free’ Press.

in this little country of ours.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
And since I’m talking to myself while all you guys and gals are snoring your heads off, can I just mention that in the local newspaper this morning there was a piece about school sports.

It seemed to be about the ‘pick’ of the best players.

I didn’t have time today to read the whole thing ( and it’s too late to disturb the household to go looking for the paper!) but it seemed to be related to the use by ‘soccer’ teams of the American  Football  concept of who gets to pick the best player in the ‘draft’.

I have only the haziest understanding of that concept.

But in so far as it might relate to attempts to create genuine ‘sporting’ , on-field, equality of talent, it must have something to recommend it.

Even the Americans realise that in order to make money out of sport,there has to be some concept of genuine ‘sporting competition’

Auldheid reminded us, quite movingly, of the joyous nature of our game as we all experienced it.
We all knew instinctively what was fair, and what wasn’t.
Remember how our street game teams were picked?

The two ‘captains’ tossed for first choice.Whichever won the toss would pick the ‘best’ player. The other guy would pick ‘the second best’ and so on.

And, if it appeared that there was an imbalance ,or if there was an odd number of players, then it would be agreed that a ‘John Clark’ would play the first half for one side to give them the extra man, and the second half for the other side, to try to be fair in the use of that useless lump!

( who, I may say, was actually quite good at lifting the wee ba’ from the street up onto the pavement, one hand on the lamp-post outside the Thomson’s house on Cuthelton Street, and bringing it to the goal at the lorry entrance to the Domestos depot ( formerly Donald Clarke’s steel kind of place, which in 1947 sirened One o’Clock,with the siren they used ‘during the war!’)

And it is these kinds of memories that fuel my contempt
contempt for the cheating bast.rd of a knight of the realm who killed the RFC of my day

contempt for the SFA who, like some referees,not only did not ‘see’ that cheating but went further and assisted in that cheating

And who continue to propagate the lie that the football club that cheated its way to death by Liquidation is somehow the same club as a five year old creation that they themselves have lied into existence.

And as for the the whole lot of the successive boards of either Sevco 5088, Sevcoscotland, The rangers football Club Ltd, RIFC plc  how can they be described otherwise than as  scavengers of carrion? Feeding as they do on the dead flesh of a once proud football club?

It gars me greet…
Quietly and solemnly, into my glass of “Goose IPA, 5.9%, made from hops from Idaho” ( And actually quite surprisingly pleasant, reminiscent of McEwan’s pale ale.

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
It’s 11.43 pm in Scranton,PA,  and we have just come back from being wined and dined  in tremendously good company in a friends-of-the-son’s home.

I am therefore in a cheerful frame of mind. (Mind you, sitting in the back seat of the car I had one of those A9 moments of absolute fear, when the driver overtook another car on a blind bend, before I realised we were still on a dual carriageway!)….

For one reason or another, it suddenly strikes  me that I don’t actually know ( or remember) when it was that the concept of ‘transfer windows’ was introduced, or why it was introduced.

On the face of it, it’s as much of a restriction of ‘trade’ on ’employers’, as the pre-Bosman situation was on freedom of employment was on ‘workers'(players).

Is there a decently worked out rationale for the concept?

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
easyJamboDecember 27, 2017 at 17:49
‘..I think that the document will only be a restatement of the resolutions that were approved at the AGM (Resolutions 10 & 11).’
You’re perfectly right, of course, eJ: it was only the official recording  of the AGM resolutions.

I think I for one (in my general ignorance) tend to think that any plc of which a director has been taken to the Courts( in an unprecedented action by the Takeover Panel) would have every form or document that it submitted to Companies House rigorously examined, cross-checked, double-checked, treble checked ,even, in a way that ,for example, the SFA does not do with documents submitted to it by its trustworthy gentlemen members.

The Takeover Panel has a lot riding on how the Law stands in its approach to the Panel’s need for support in their regulation of rogues in the market-place.

So I tend to look at anything touching on RIFC plc that seems even a wee bit different as something worth exploring.

Largely tongue-in-cheek, of course: -we’re not likely ever to be told anything confidential by CH! But if they say something will appear, and then it doesn’t appear when promised, then it allows one to ask why. Keeps them on their toes!

And we know that when even the gentlemen of our free Press are not above behaving with less than complete honesty when it comes to TRFC Ltd/RIFC plc  there may (God forbid!) exist a ‘protective of companies’ mindset in CH, rather than a ‘get the baddies’ approach.

Who knows?

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