Reflections on Goalposts

ByDanish Pastry

Reflections on Goalposts

A recent autumn storm caused the destruction of the metal goal fame in our garden. The small goal with the weather-beaten net had fallen into disuse. But I liked it seeing it there on the grass. I suppose I half-expected, half-hoped, it would be used again. Once, it was a father and son thing and had been constructed carefully from a nice set of plans. At the time, it impressed both son and daughter no end. But that was then, this was now.

One of our trees, blown over by the recent high winds, caused the goal frame’s final demise. As I unscrewed the twisted metal I thought of the hours of innocent fun it had given us. It had been the scene of many goals and not a few great saves. My son, who is soon off to uni, smiled thoughtfully as I mentioned that this was the end of the ‘goalposts of childhood’. Perhaps he knew what I meant.

My own childhood goalposts had been ‘doon the back’. Drawn with chalk on the red brick of the ‘sausage wall’ at one end, and on part of the ‘wash hoose’ at the other. Many a league, Cup and international match was played out between those goals on the Dennistoun dirt. We once put on a parallel version of a historic England v Scotland match while the real match was being played at Wembley. Jim Mone sitting on one of the dykes had a transister radio to his ear. As we played our match he chalked up live score updates on the wall — our Twitter and FaceBook anno 1967. What a day.

We did use a pile of jackets up on the old Dennistoun cricket pitch, but only rarely. Mostly, we played on the red gravel surface at the Finlay Drive entrance. That pitch was fitted with real goalposts — like the ones they had at Hampden. Or so we imagined.

These sentimental memories of receding years accompanied my removal of the ruined metal goal frame. But, as you can imagine, it seemed an almost symbolic act. For fans of Scottish football the ‘goalposts’ that once defined the game of our football childhoods — have not only been moved, they’ve been been twisted and mis-shapen out of all recognition.

The past decades have seen a fundamental change in the way our game is run and governed, at home and abroad. Money is now king and sporting consideration is a luxury we sometimes have to put to one side — or at least, so we’re told.

At the risk of stating the obvious, sport, if it is to mean anything at all, has to be based on clearly defined rules and principles. These rules must be applied equally to all the participants, they are certainly not optional extras. However, to misquote and paraphrase George Orwell, ‘all teams are equal, but some teams are more equal than others’ — at least, when it comes to Scottish football.

The efforts by the SFA to re-interpret rules to fit the unfortunate circumstances surrounding the demise of Rangers FC in 2012 have left most of us scratching our heads. Much of the Scottish media has backed up the SFA’s efforts, something which has added to the general confusion and chaos. In fact, it’s become clear that the death of Rangers, as we knew them, has been such a traumatic event that it must be denied. The authorities and media seem to have been so besotted with one club that its loss is out of the question. And so, it’s been gifted a bizarre kind of immunity from liquidation and death that implies its on-going existence, long after it drew it’s final breath.

This situation has opened the door to a legion of businessmen on the make. They have been allowed to perpetuate the myth, with SFA blessing, that they ‘saved’ Rangers. And their unwavering message is, that they can only succeed if fans keep giving them their hard-earned cash. To those outside the blue bubble it looks like a huge con trick. If the only source of real money in football is the fans, then the Ibrox faithful have been royally fleeced.

How different it could have been if the former club had been allowed a dignified end. A year out of the game would probably have allowed fans to restart a newco of their own. They could have applied for entry into the professional leagues along with the other clubs waiting in line. Chances are they would have been given special dispensation, and walked straight into the bottom tier. Of course, they would have claimed to be the continuation of the spirit of the previous entity — but would anyone have argued against that? How different it could have been if the rules governing the game had been respected. The SFA may even have kept their dignity intact and the press not felt obliged to print half-truths, falsehoods and lies.

You’ve got to wonder why Dunfermline and Hearts fought so desperately to avoid liquidation. After all, the Scottish football authorities now seem intent on convincing us that liquidation has little or no effect on a football club. Even past sins, such as wrongly-registered players are as naught — if, at the time, they were thought to have been registered correctly. By this logic, we have to ask: if a ‘company’ running a ‘club’ bribes a referee, will retrospective action will be taken against the ‘club’. The players and the club, after all, will have done nothing wrong. And since the referee was not known to have been bribed, and not struck off, he was qualified to referee the match in question, at the time. Using the SFA thought process, the result would probably be allowed to stand. Personally, I’m not sure I follow SFA logic. They’ve ‘moved the goalposts’, and (you saw it coming) bent them into an unrecognisable shape.

Which brings me back to our garden. The old metal goal frame is waiting to be driven down to the local re-cycling centre. The twisted metal and worn-out net are useless. Ruined by forces beyond our control. There is no interest in a replacement at present. Perhaps, if we have grandchildren, they will show an interest in football. If they do, I’ll build a new set of goalposts. They’ll be straight and true, the way the goalposts of childhood should be. The way goalposts should always be.

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scapaflowPosted on5:22 pm - Jan 16, 2014


EJ, both punishments are far too soft. IF the SFA were serious about cleaning up the game, Black would have gotten a lifetime ban, McCoist would have been hauled in, they would have demanded his list, with failure to produce meriting a lifetime ban.

Instead we get secret telephone hotlines.

Chuffing typical, chuffing pathetic.

We should take a lesson from the USA on this issue.

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manandboyPosted on5:23 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Later than customary, but a Guid New Year tae Ane an Aa on TSFM.

Unlike the SFA, I’ve been a little subdued over the ‘festive period’, extended,
– though still able to read TSFM nearly everyday.

I say, ‘unlike the SFA’ who have been very quiet for rather a long time really,
until this past week and the emergence of a liaison between Mr Regan & Mr Wallace.

I would suggest that possibly the reason for the Hampden Silence,
is that TRIFC & TRFC have been well and truly taken hostage,
in the manner of seafarers taken by Somalian pirates and held for ransom.

These pirates, known occasionally as Spivs, almost certainly have little genuine interest in football
and in consequence, have little interest in, or respect for, the SFA .
Result – a long, impotent silence at Hampden, Floor 6.

With the arrival of Mr Wallace, however, it would appear there is the possibility of a new ball game –
one in which the SFA might have some say.

Not that the pirates have given up and gone away,
but being pirates they will get what they came for, before going home.

No, Mr Regan will be talking Sevco, post pirates, with Mr Wallace.

I would bet that the skullduggery even now being hatched to secure a future for the Ibrox team,
may be, as has been said before by another poster, beyond anything we have seen up till now.

And with Mr Regan and the SFA, being, allegedly, Scotland’s most corrupt football administrators,
a new flag, the skull & crossbones, with a royal blue background,
will be flying over Hampden for the forseeable future.

Then again, they may all just end up in Davy Jones’ Locker.

They’ll be quiet then alright.

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BangordubPosted on5:31 pm - Jan 16, 2014


It sounds like Deja Vu, anyone remember this happening in a previous life?
“TASTY! RT “@Record_Sport: Record Sport understands Rangers players have refused to accept a 15% paycut. More to follow.””

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andygraham.66Posted on5:34 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Re Moffat – one of the panel said that if it was up to him he would be banned until next season

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slimshady61Posted on5:35 pm - Jan 16, 2014


100BJD says:
January 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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Maybe Ian Black was offered 6 but in the Sevconian spirit agreed to take a cut to 3 matches, to help the SFA?

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rantinrobinPosted on5:36 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Oh dear players at G51 refusing pay cuts.
http://t.co/VGlCqd97d2

Now I am not having a senior moment,as ,of course, we have been before.It seems that like music,Rangers,go in cycles,well at least over a twelve month period.

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EKBhoyPosted on5:43 pm - Jan 16, 2014


The SFA will do the following:

– provide an advance to Rangers in respect of SC semi -finals
– provide an advance to Rangers in respect of league position
– provide any other advances they can lay their gloved hands on

They all know the brown stuff is in sight of the fan , hence Regan teeing up the ball for when the going gets tough.

Rangers will get round the players wages problem by deferring payment and negotiating a big pay-out for the SC games. Foreign players will leg it , some will retreat to the treatment table …. big stakes at play , Ally knows if this team breaks up then Celtic can comfortably count 7 in a row without looking over their shoulder, even once.

Rangers fans still doing nothing, remarkable!

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slimshady61Posted on5:43 pm - Jan 16, 2014


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
January 16, 2014 at 5:22 pm
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That’s unfortunate.

So it’s got to be redundancies. Any sales won’t raise much because now everyone knows (apart from the MSM) that Rangers are in dire straits so offers will be at best paltry.

Redundancies means:-
lots more legal costs as the lucky ones dispute their status (the first case of rats wanting to stay on a sinking ship?)
dirty wshing being aired in excruciating detail with consequent loss of any remaining dignity,
Fraser WIshart torn between two lovers (but still taking the appearance money on SSB despite the clear conflicts of interest),
the possibility of strike action by the players (perhaps the refs will come out in sympathy)

Clearly the new shareholder is another version of Ticketus – presumably putting in enough cash to get over the shortfall until Bears’ feeding time (with the bears doing the feeding of course) but with a fall back position of asset stripping/touting the clumpany-sociation for sale.

54 (% cuts) to £0 in the bank

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hamemadesoupPosted on5:44 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Rangers: Players reject 15% wage cut plea by club

I presume Ally’s 50% pay cut has made no impression on the players .

Can’t afford to pay them , can’t afford to pay them off either . No crystal ball required here then

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ratethisthenyabampotsPosted on5:50 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Phil MacGiollaBhain ‏@Pmacgiollabhain 3m

“Rangers are in now Administration in everything but name.” This was said to me by a senior person in a SPFL championship club today.

My day just got a whole lot better.

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Exiled CeltPosted on5:50 pm - Jan 16, 2014


For the avoidance of doubt, today’s decision on Michael Moffat was not due to any change in rules nor any increased surveillance.

After Ian Black was found out, Ally produced his list of players he could name……

On Follow Follow, there was a cry to name some names.

Michael Moffat was guilty of 2 things besides betting – he used twitter too much – and he was stupid in what he had on his Twitter timeline.

He and friends twittered to each other about prices, scores and betting – and also about his friends going to CFC games.

The complaint was then made to SFA about him from the same sources who published his twitter posting online. Perhaps if he had not been tarred with the same brush of being a Celtic fan like his friends, maybe no one would have reported him or noticed his Twitter postings on betting.

Point is twofold here

(1) Another of Ally’s dog whistle calls have been answered by his loyal fans
(2) SFA have still done nothing on its own accord to crack down on any gambling

It really is a disgrace that SFA cannot govern the sport it purports to oversee!

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Angus1983Posted on5:51 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Refusing pay cuts of 15% on severl thousand quid a WEEK?

I thought they were all heroes, dyed-in-the-wool blues there for the journey and to make friends, there for footballing reasons, willing to do anything to have the honour of playing for Rangers (unlike the traitors, scum etc who refused to TUPE over from Rangers to Rangers last time)?

Will the bears stomach this? Or will they boycott their own team because they’re obviously mercenaries just like the last lot?

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Kilgore TroutPosted on5:51 pm - Jan 16, 2014


And where does this fit into the picture?

14-Jan-14 10:08:01 20.50 2,200,000 Sell* 27.00 28.50 451.00k

2,200,000 traded at 20.50p on Tuesday

Stockbridge away?

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AllyjamboPosted on5:54 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Bangordub says:

January 16, 2014 at 5:31 pm

As Carly, not Scott, Simon once sang “It’s coming around again”! The song that came straight into my head as soon as I read your post 😀

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wottpiPosted on5:57 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Kilgore Trout says:
January 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm

Seems to be a delayed trade going through.
Expect a Regulatory News item tomorrow to clarify what has happened.

20.50p nearly five for a pound!!

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ecobhoyPosted on5:57 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Kilgore Trout says:
January 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm

And where does this fit into the picture?
14-Jan-14 10:08:01 20.50 2,200,000 Sell* 27.00 28.50 451.00k
2,200,000 traded at 20.50p
Stockbridge away?
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I’m not on my computer so can’t access what I need. But my memory tells me that Stockbridge only had 50k shares or something equally as small. However I expect he has options and I’m sure if he was leaving he would pay the 1p a share and walkaway with a few bob 😆

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Paulmac2Posted on5:59 pm - Jan 16, 2014


easyJambo says:
January 16, 2014 at 5:02 pm

No further comment or explanation for Moffat’s six game ban from the SFA
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsID=13000&newsCategoryID=1
I expect that the SFA will, if pressed, point to the £7,500 fine (one week’s wages?) and a further 7 game ban (suspended) on Black, thus making the punishments equivalent.
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Believe it or not the player is entitled to appeal any punishment based on European Law under human rights as I witnessed when I operated within the English FA system. The appellant body must consider this fact in deciding whether the punishment is fair.

The punishment is not the same no matter how you cut it. 2 players are guilty of the same crime yet receive differing punishments? Either Ian Black’s was unfair or Moffat’s was unfair.

The fact is players should not be allowed to continue playing professional or semi professional football having been found guilty of betting on football. So in my opinion they both got off lightly.

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hamemadesoupPosted on6:01 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Rangers – dead
The Rangers – on life support
The The Rangers – Coming to a stadium near you soon ?

Omnishambles just doesn’t cover it any more .

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Famous songPosted on6:05 pm - Jan 16, 2014


My two penn’orth, IMO, FWIW: 15% would have been a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. This is window dressing for the benefit of the faithful, and major surgery looms. A good day for Pars fans.

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easyJamboPosted on6:05 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Kilgore Trout says: January 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm

And where does this fit into the picture?

14-Jan-14 10:08:01 20.50 2,200,000 Sell* 27.00 28.50 451.00k

2,200,000 traded at 20.50p on Tuesday

Stockbridge away?
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I’m almost certain that this will be the Richard Hughes sale, but the price achieved is the most notable thing. 20.5p.

It is likely that what we saw as sales of 2M+ shares at 24p were in fact purchases by Damille of RH’s shares.

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OldcobrokemyheartbycheatingPosted on6:05 pm - Jan 16, 2014


The SFA what an absolute shambles they have stood watch over, with no one asking the questions except from what I can see this website. When will Scottish football realise, a clear out from top to bottom is required to clear the lingering corruption and stagnation from this little cesspit of which Scottish football has become. This Newco shambles has got to be the line in the sand, enough is enough time for change surely?

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rantinrobinPosted on6:06 pm - Jan 16, 2014


So players in rebellion over money,and campaign for ST sales no doubt begins as your average Bear asked to dig deep for the club that he/she loves.

Tricky spin on that one.

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Exiled CeltPosted on6:15 pm - Jan 16, 2014


I’m getting confused now – if the club that has been saved from liquidation (copyright H Keevins) now goes into administration…………..

Does that mean Charles did not save the club after all?
Or is this a second liquidation that will need a different rescuer?
Or can you have 2 liquidations of the club?

And if its the club (TRFC) going into administration, how come the shares bought in the IPO (RIFC) last year are fine, yet the ones bought in the club that Whyte destroyed (RFC-NIL) that Charles rescued are not?

Just will not make sense to the likes of poor Sammy the Mechanic from the Mark Daly documentary!.

Poor Hugh Keevins limited business journalism experience will mean he will have no clue who owns the history anymore…………

I just cannot wait for all the explanations!

54 lies digging bigger holes for yourselves to 0 common sense (copyright my good friend Slimshady!)

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Hoopy 7Posted on6:21 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Good Evening.
Despite the aquisition of shares by other sharks, who may or may not be connected to existing sharks I still predict that the shares will be suspended and no money will be available to keep Sevco afloat.
If redundancies are made the effect on those with recent contracts will be financially insignificant. Only those employess of longer term employment who Tupe’d over will get anything significant financially and if the company cannot pay it will be the taxpayer who gets stiffed again.

I asked a while ago what a share in a company who raised money on the back of a fraud would be worth.

In my opinion, and I could be wrong, I think CW still has an ace to play.I can only hope that he comes for the assets and gets them.

Anyone with any thoughts on his next play?

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Exiled CeltPosted on6:22 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Nice to see Ally “bowed out” and let Elbows do the talking………..what a trooper!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-players-refuse-accept-15-3029838#.UtghUL9kD2k.twitter

Rangers players refuse to accept 15% wage cut following crisis meeting at Murray Park

16 Jan 2014 18:03
SHOCKED players booted out chief executive Graham Wallace’s demands to accept the pay cut after the squad was gathered at the club’s training ground by boss Ally McCoist.

SNS Group
RANGERS chief executive Graham Wallace’s shock demands for Ibrox stars to accept a 15% wage cut was booted out by stunned players after a dressing room crisis meeting today at Murray Park.

It’s understood the Gers squad was called together by boss Ally McCoist before he bowed out and left the talking to skipper Lee McCulloch.

Wallace has decided drastic action is needed to prevent the runaway League One leaders lurching towards administration before the end of the campaign, despite a £22 million cash injection just 13 month ago under a share issue promoted by departed chief executive Chrles Green.

Earlier this week McCoist met with Wallace and was warned he faced budget cuts after the new Ibrox chief had undertaken a root and branch survey of the club’s financial predicament.

And with the Ibrox wage bill estimated at £6 million plus, Wallace has demanded drastic action to slash costs.

At the Murray Park gathering it’s believed McCulloch mapped out the board’s shock demands for a 15% across the board wage cut – only for the demands to be rejected.

A well-placed source said: “The players were shocked when Jig outlined what was being asked for. They were asked for a simple yes or no to the demands – and the response was no. Many of the younger players couldn’t afford to take a hit like that.

“They had been warned something was in the pipeline but no one expected a gun going to their heads.”

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scapaflowPosted on6:24 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Exiled Celt says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:22 pm

Actually, I think Mr McCoist did the right thing by bowing out, all be it probably unintentionally. he is after all part of Mr Wallace’s management team!.

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Paulmac2Posted on6:25 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Kilgore Trout says:
January 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm

And where does this fit into the picture?
14-Jan-14 10:08:01 20.50 2,200,000 Sell* 27.00 28.50 451.00k
2,200,000 traded at 20.50p on Tuesday
Stockbridge away?
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This would suggest to me at least….the people dumping the shares do not believe the cuts are going to happen…certainly not to level required…or within the time scale needed…

There has been a lot of talking about cuts….considering the dire time restraints involved…the cuts should have started a week ago…they still haven’t and I am guessing they won’t.

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Exiled CeltPosted on6:31 pm - Jan 16, 2014


scapaflow says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:24 pm
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Exiled Celt says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:22 pm

Actually, I think Mr McCoist did the right thing by bowing out, all be it probably unintentionally. he is after all part of Mr Wallace’s management team!.

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I disagree – as a manager myself (not in the football sphere) I should be the one to make such announcements to my staff. After all Ally was the one who talked to them during the signing on process – he is responsible for them and should be the one to convey the management’s instructions. Jig/Elbows has not been part of those discussions so how can he convey this properly?

If I were Wallace, I would be livid with Ally for being a coward – shows him up for what he is quite frankly.

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Paulmac2Posted on6:36 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Exiled Celt says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:22 pm
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Bang and there it is..

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AllyjamboPosted on6:40 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Throughout the existence of this, and the RTC, blog we’ve all enjoyed a wee bit speculation of what might be about to happen, and if it happens, what might then happen! So, should TRFC fall into administration:

The men at the top, and pulling the strings, are not ‘Rangers men’, they are very hardnosed (not blue nosed) businessmen, only there to make as much money as they can for themselves or their masters. They know that one day soon they will not be interested in a Rangers nor Scottish football. It will not make one jot of difference to them whether the ‘club’ has over 140 years of history or less than two.

The money/hatchet men, Wallace and Nash, will probably already know how much they must reduce the payroll by, and how much they can afford to pay out to buy off contracts or pay redundancy payments while still able to see out the season/collect ST money. I suspect they will be left with a very depleted squad, perhaps able to still win the division, but not with a 25 point deduction. They will then have a choice, and one they will take in a business minded way. Achieve promotion, enabling them to up the price of STs and match day tickets, or forget promotion and accept the 25 point penalty and maintain the ‘same club’ veneer. I expect they will all have made more difficult decisions throughout their careers.

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scapaflowPosted on6:45 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Exiled Celt says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:31 pm

As I understand McCoist informed his staff, and was told to GTF, at which point it was escalated to Mr Wallace.

Further given the abject nonsense surrounding Mr McCoist’s pay cut, he his hardly in a position to talk about the issue with any credibility to anyone, let alone his staff.

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neepheidPosted on6:48 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Paulmac2 says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:25 pm

There has been a lot of talking about cuts….considering the dire time restraints involved…the cuts should have started a week ago…they still haven’t and I am guessing they won’t.
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The cuts should have started 18 months ago. Now it is far too late to avoid reliance on a load of new money (they call it investment these days, but they just mean money). As for the proposed 15% wage cut- is that a joke? Talk about sticking plasters! If that’s the best Wallace can come up with, then he’s already toast, in my opinion.

RIFC are going to have call for more money very soon, like next week, for example- luckily the boys from Damille are on hand, but their money will not come cheap. This could end in a real bloodbath if Laxeys and Damille have conflicting strategies. The next few weeks should be interesting.

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Exiled CeltPosted on6:56 pm - Jan 16, 2014


scapaflow says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:45 pm
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Exiled Celt says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:31 pm

As I understand McCoist informed his staff, and was told to GTF, at which point it was escalated to Mr Wallace.

Further given the abject nonsense surrounding Mr McCoist’s pay cut, he his hardly in a position to talk about the issue with any credibility to anyone, let alone his staff.

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Now if the players had told him to vacate the room, then that is a totally different ballgame – its now an almost irretrievable situation where he has lost the dressing room.

If I remember the CW tapes and the press coverage at the time, Ally was given short shrift too and the players were led by Naismith and Davies.

Ally’s problems with his own pay cut have lost him credibility I agree – but managers who do not understand how perception of their actions are viewed by their staff are always doomed to fail.

Would suggest to me Ally losing the dressing room means he won;t be there long now.

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ecobhoyPosted on6:57 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Interesting media reporting on Rangers wage cuts.

BBC say the players have been asked to accept cuts ❗

STV say the players have refused to accept cuts ❗

So what one is it then ❓

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on7:10 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Allyjambo says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:40 pm
Spot on.

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upthehoopsPosted on7:20 pm - Jan 16, 2014


ecobhoy says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:57 pm
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Interesting media reporting on Rangers wage cuts.

BBC say the players have been asked to accept cuts ❗

STV say the players have refused to accept cuts ❗

So what one is it then ❓
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Daily Record now saying they refused as well. As for BBC they appear to treading carefully all the time. What a pity as they are the one organisation with the might to truly take them on.

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tobyPosted on7:21 pm - Jan 16, 2014


It’s maybe a good idea to give Mr Custard a heads up to expect a flurry of donations..

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abigguydiditandranawaymisterPosted on7:22 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Christmas is very early this year isn’t it? :mrgreen:

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rantinrobinPosted on7:29 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Picked up on that ‘asked to consider pay cuts’ line from the BBC,Reporting Scotland too.Trading carefully,too carefully.

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AllyjamboPosted on7:30 pm - Jan 16, 2014


This 15% pay cut request was meant to be a starter for, well 15 😉 The important stuff would be the offloading of players, staff and admin staff ie redundancies. If they can’t persuade the players etc to accept the 15% cut, then more players will have to go than would otherwise be the case. I suspect redundancy notices will be served on admin staff who are not seen as vital in the short term, and any other non-vital employees, rergardless. If the players had all accepted the 15% pay cut it might have meant there was room on the payroll for the retention of one more player, perhaps someone with coaching potential to help the young players, on-field, who might well make up the bulk of the squad in a couple of weeks time.

Administration will come, though only come, if it will be cheaper to offload players and staff by that route. Then the OCNC debate opens in earnest 🙂

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AuldheidPosted on7:31 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Fear is a terrible thing.

Fear of being discovered and held personally responsible.

Fear of the consequences of being discovered.

Fear the game will collapse.

Every decision driven by fear and self interest.

Not only have the fears not gone away, they have grown and with them the consequences.

Philisophically its an interesting lesson being taught to a whole nation, perhaps just when needed.

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No1 BobPosted on7:37 pm - Jan 16, 2014


toby says:
January 16, 2014 at 7:21 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9146997/Rangers-in-administration-Its-too-late-to-send-in-the-clowns….html

Mr Custard will always be one of my best laugh out loud moments in this on-going farce!

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AllyjamboPosted on7:37 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Where is Neil Patey when we need an expert analysis of things down Govan way? I mean, we haven’t had a laugh for, mmm, 10 minutes or so 😆

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smartie1947Posted on7:39 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Don’t try to wallow in the misery at R.M. – it’s crashed.
One of the latest threads entitled “Can we go into administration again ? “

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AllyjamboPosted on7:47 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Has today’s news trumped the collapsing roof story?

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paulsatimPosted on7:48 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Refuse to listen to Clyde SSB? Me too. But just found out you can watch the pain! http://www.clyde1.com/on-air/superscoreboard/live-stream/

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No1 BobPosted on7:50 pm - Jan 16, 2014


There are a few really dumb people on the Bears Den.

” I know were losing £1m per month but were not in debt and don’t owe any money. How can we be going into administration again?”

I used to feel sorry for your average Bear but they deserve all of the fresh hurt that is coming their way.

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tobyPosted on7:50 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Allyjambo says:
January 16, 2014 at 7:47 pm
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Has today’s news trumped the collapsing roof story?

Either way, AJ, the roof’s caving in.

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scottcPosted on7:52 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Looking forward to their visit to Station Park on Monday. That’s always assuming they can afford the diesel for the bus. I assume they won’t be staying over.

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Angus1983Posted on7:53 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Personally, I think it’s a poor show that Elbows appears to have been the one doing the explaining and requesting to his fellow players. Presumably, he had already thought it out and agreed that he would sacrifice a few hundred quid a week (therefore not in a compromised position like Mr McCoist) and was attempting to get the other players to see sense.

Mr McCoist, however, is the team manager – if he felt that such a thing was better coming from Elbows, then I foresee that the latter will be taking up the still warm vacant seat in the dugout before long.

As for young players being seriously out of pocket – somehow I doubt it. I bet the lot of them earn at least as much as me, and probably plenty more (going by what Fraser Fyvie was getting at Aberdeen – he was in my son’s class at school and his wages were no secret among his mates!).

As I say, I look forward to the bears being torn between propping up their club and boycotting the latest batch of mercenaries. 🙂

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on7:54 pm - Jan 16, 2014


No 1 Bob
That about sums them up ,so maybe it is not so baffling to understand how many of them still believe the old club never died . 💡 🙄 😯

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on8:02 pm - Jan 16, 2014


All kidding aside if it does come to pass that Sevco goes into administration .
Then the peepil who approved their farcical business plan and issued a licence should have serious questions asked of them 😯

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FisianiPosted on8:02 pm - Jan 16, 2014


The players will never agree to take a pay cut whilst the spivs keep raking in top dollar. The signs of imminent collapse are nigh. Feb 14 looking to be a rerun of the past.

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scapaflowPosted on8:05 pm - Jan 16, 2014


The penny share seems to be dropping in the Penny Arcade on FF.

However, they don’t seem to understand the distinction between TRFC LTD and RIFC LTD, looks like a hard fall for many is still on the cards.

Sympathy I have none.

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FIFAPosted on8:07 pm - Jan 16, 2014


The players should have played the McCoist card and asked for 3 months to have the cut implemented,ie last wage packet of the season,they all know that that wage wont be forthcomming,maybe even the months before that.

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scottcPosted on8:16 pm - Jan 16, 2014


I wonder if this is an opportunity for Super Ally to fail in another cup campaign? Raith Rovers will be looking forward to that final now

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on8:16 pm - Jan 16, 2014


.Sevco have had record crowds, have won 1 league and are well clear in this one (unbeaten this season) so apart from a couple of cup runs they could not have done much better .
So I assume they were granted a licence on the basis of an IPO issue ,so the question must be .
What led to the SFA confidence of a good uptake ,after all the last time these fans were asked by the old clubs owner they only got £1m . So it seems the SFA issued a licence to a new club on nothing more than a punt that a future share issue would be a complete success .
Are they in the habit of issuing licences on a punt or is this another first in this debacle.

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Danish PastryPosted on8:21 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Allyjambo says:
January 16, 2014 at 7:30 pm
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… Then the OCNC debate opens in earnest.
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Now to see how it is reported. Is this first time the club has asked players to take a pay cut? Is this the first time the club has faced financial collapse, threatening the fixture list and the integrity of the league? If it’s the second time, I’d expect more severe sanctions.

Every lower-league chairman and manager who has seen their club lose to the team from Ibrox, sometimes humiliated by the scoreline, will sleep better tonight. They played with players they could afford to pay, they played by the rules. They can now see that their conquerers had to break the bank to beat them! I bet they’re licking their lips at the possibility of a fair fight in the near future.

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FisianiPosted on8:25 pm - Jan 16, 2014


It’s deja vu all over again.
The portents of doom are even clearer. Share price now 20.5p and falling. Ally finally? taking a paycut. Players turning down wage cut ultimatums.
Still lining spivs pockets at a rate of 38,000 a day. Nearly 5,000 pounds lost every hour of the working day,.
If you want a mental picture to understand what is happening at Ibrox imagine someone has a full time job setting fire to a 20 pound note which burns to ashes every 15 seconds. Then lighting another and another 8 hours a day with no tea breaks or lunch breaks. That is what has been happening for two years. Lots and lots of ashes. Now can everyone see why the situation is untenable and administration is inevitable.

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hamemadesoupPosted on8:25 pm - Jan 16, 2014


scapaflow says:
January 16, 2014 at 8:05 pm
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The penny share seems to be dropping in the Penny Arcade on FF.

However, they don’t seem to understand the distinction between TRFC LTD and RIFC LTD, looks like a hard fall for many is still on the cards.

Sympathy I have none

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Well said Scapa , I too , have a sympathy level of zero .

Too many of Ra Peepil prefer to think that TRFC LTD + RIFC LTD = RFC 1872 . That kind of tunnel vision is what is killing the newco , killed the old co and will continue it’s self harming ways until a shiny new Tesco sits on Edmiston Drive . They’ve been warned for years it was coming , hell mend them .

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on8:30 pm - Jan 16, 2014


What if Ally and the peepil running the club KNEW admin was on the cards .
Could Ally have told them of the need to bring in many more players to build up enough of a lead to still keep them on top after the inevitable points deduction and if so can we assume they are planning admin before the seasons end ,ie points off this season rather than next 🙄 💡 😮 😯

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hamemadesoupPosted on8:32 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Fisiani says:
January 16, 2014 at 8:25 pm
you want a mental picture to understand what is happening at Ibrox imagine someone has a full time job setting fire to a 20 pound note which burns to ashes every 15 seconds. Then lighting another and another 8 hours a day with no tea breaks or lunch breaks. That is what has been happening for two years. Lots and lots of ashes. Now can everyone see why the situation is untenable and administration is inevitable

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I believe the term is chapeaux , good sir . What a perfect description of the situation that is . Perfect.

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AllyjamboPosted on8:33 pm - Jan 16, 2014


fergusslayedtheblues says:

January 16, 2014 at 8:16 pm
“Are they in the habit of issuing licences on a punt or is this another first in this debacle”
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Are they in the habit of issuing licenses to new clubs at all? But you are, of course, correct, whatever the basis for issuing the license, it had nothing to do with proper examination of Sevco’s credentials, just a desire to get a ‘Rangers’ playing in the Scottish league. What is happening now to TRFC is the fault of all those involved with that club, what happens to the detriment of Scottish football as a result, is the fault of those at the top of the SFA, and SPFL.

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slimshady61Posted on8:35 pm - Jan 16, 2014


ecobhoy says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:57 pm
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BBC continue to shame themselves; underneath that headline in small type it actually reported the players had refused the paycut. Have still to understand why therefore the headline was old news whilst the fresh, riveting news was hidden below.

BBC doing their best to keep dirty linen hiddeh. In other news, Neil Patey has been dusted down and is at this very moment being primed for Scotland Tonight!

54 (minutes to midnight)

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on8:38 pm - Jan 16, 2014


If we take the IPO money out of the equation (as the SFA should have because of the uncertain future finance ).
How long would Sevco fc have lasted as a solvent football club ?

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upthehoopsPosted on8:38 pm - Jan 16, 2014


The tweet below may or may not be from Lee McCulloch. If it is him who else does he think will hose £15K a week on him?

@JigLeeJangLee: it’s a 50% pay cut or I am handing in a transfer request

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Not The Huddle MalcontentPosted on8:39 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Famous song says:
January 16, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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My two penn’orth, IMO, FWIW: 15% would have been a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. This is window dressing for the benefit of the faithful, and major surgery looms. A good day for Pars fans.

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its a publicity stunt to put the fans against the players – the intention is to turn the rage of the fans against the players for being greedy and not helping.

And in that regards, its a poorly judged one at that – unless tomorrows headlines is that all directors are now working for free until in the top division

Next, we’ll get the board announce that the refusal of the players to take cuts mean that drastic action needs to be taken – and despite having no debts (ok, stick with me, it’s rangers speak here) the only way forward is to go into admin to enable quick/cheap redundancies to cut costs.

Of course, if they had accepted the cut, then there would be no need (nonsense!)

so, in preparation for administration of TRFC, RIFC will transfer the assets of the club to the holding company in relief of the money owed to RIFC plc, then that leaves the players to be the only creditors left on the pile and they’ll get a token offering.

There will be a 15 point (meaningless) penalty, some players will be offloaded – along with other backroom staff punted and the TRFC will once again be debt (and asset) free.

Appeals to McColl, King, Walter hell, even D Murray will be made and they’ll swoop in on a private jet, buy TRFC for £1 and the fans will be asked to stump up for cash and working capital (which they mostly won’t)

the spivs will get their annual rent – maybe with a 1 or 2 year holiday until they are in the SPL.

Finally, a real rangers, owned by real broque wearers, but this time…..skint and living within their means.

They’ll be PISH!

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BawsmanPosted on8:44 pm - Jan 16, 2014


NTHM

I think they’ll go into admin, i’ll be interested in how many points they will be deducted.

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TartanwulverPosted on8:46 pm - Jan 16, 2014


slimshady61 says:
January 16, 2014 at 8:35 pm

In other news, Neil Patey has been dusted down and is at this very moment being primed for Scotland Tonight!
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OK, NOW I believe that things are getting serious. The Patey being trotted out on TV is a real harbinger of doom for Rangers, the equivalent of the ravens leaving the tower of London or Birnam forest coming to Dunsinane. Doomed I tell ye!

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hamemadesoupPosted on8:49 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Re : Wage cuts

There isn’t a human being on this planet who could not survive on £500 a week . I find it astonishing that some of the higher earners at newco refused to take the hit that would still have left them ten times that amount to stick in their pocket . Greed , eh ? Not something common down Govan way , I’m led to believe 🙄

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EstebanPosted on8:50 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Apologies for how off topic this is, but must needs. Something just isn’t right.

Work full shift. CHECK
Get home more than 12 hours after leaving. CHECK
Spend three minutes making own dinner. CHECK
Spend two minutes eating own dinner. CHECK.

SPEND 40 MINUTES WASHING UP A MILLION KITCHEN UTENSILS CAKED IN GOD KNOWS WHAT.
FORTY MINUTES??????

Something needs to change around here.

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ciardomPosted on8:52 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Angus1983 says:
January 16, 2014 at 7:53 pm

McCulloch thought he was going to be eased into a coaching role in 2012, I played golf with his brother at time and at time no one expected the full management team to remain in place.

He wont leave now and wil take whatever paycut is required as he wants to be known as the one who stayed.

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scapaflowPosted on8:56 pm - Jan 16, 2014


hamemadesoup says:
January 16, 2014 at 8:49 pm

I expect pelters for this, but I’m with the players this time.

Their line manager announces 4 months ago that he is taking a 50% pay cut, four months later it finally happens. Have any of the other senior management team taken a pay cut?

These guys signed their contracts in good faith. If it was me and the senior management team were all taking a cut, I’d listen, otherwise no chance in hell.

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billyj1Posted on8:56 pm - Jan 16, 2014


When Neil Patey appears spouting his normal gibberish we know things are bad. It’s the equivalent of Kate Adie appearing.

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exfallhoose2012Posted on9:04 pm - Jan 16, 2014


Info from someone who knows these things – how come a sale of 2.2million shares on the 14th shows up tonight? And whodonit?

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