Reflections on Goalposts

ByDanish Pastry

Reflections on Goalposts

A recent autumn storm caused the destruction of the metal goal fame in our garden. The small goal with the weather-beaten net had fallen into disuse. But I liked it seeing it there on the grass. I suppose I half-expected, half-hoped, it would be used again. Once, it was a father and son thing and had been constructed carefully from a nice set of plans. At the time, it impressed both son and daughter no end. But that was then, this was now.

One of our trees, blown over by the recent high winds, caused the goal frame’s final demise. As I unscrewed the twisted metal I thought of the hours of innocent fun it had given us. It had been the scene of many goals and not a few great saves. My son, who is soon off to uni, smiled thoughtfully as I mentioned that this was the end of the ‘goalposts of childhood’. Perhaps he knew what I meant.

My own childhood goalposts had been ‘doon the back’. Drawn with chalk on the red brick of the ‘sausage wall’ at one end, and on part of the ‘wash hoose’ at the other. Many a league, Cup and international match was played out between those goals on the Dennistoun dirt. We once put on a parallel version of a historic England v Scotland match while the real match was being played at Wembley. Jim Mone sitting on one of the dykes had a transister radio to his ear. As we played our match he chalked up live score updates on the wall — our Twitter and FaceBook anno 1967. What a day.

We did use a pile of jackets up on the old Dennistoun cricket pitch, but only rarely. Mostly, we played on the red gravel surface at the Finlay Drive entrance. That pitch was fitted with real goalposts — like the ones they had at Hampden. Or so we imagined.

These sentimental memories of receding years accompanied my removal of the ruined metal goal frame. But, as you can imagine, it seemed an almost symbolic act. For fans of Scottish football the ‘goalposts’ that once defined the game of our football childhoods — have not only been moved, they’ve been been twisted and mis-shapen out of all recognition.

The past decades have seen a fundamental change in the way our game is run and governed, at home and abroad. Money is now king and sporting consideration is a luxury we sometimes have to put to one side — or at least, so we’re told.

At the risk of stating the obvious, sport, if it is to mean anything at all, has to be based on clearly defined rules and principles. These rules must be applied equally to all the participants, they are certainly not optional extras. However, to misquote and paraphrase George Orwell, ‘all teams are equal, but some teams are more equal than others’ — at least, when it comes to Scottish football.

The efforts by the SFA to re-interpret rules to fit the unfortunate circumstances surrounding the demise of Rangers FC in 2012 have left most of us scratching our heads. Much of the Scottish media has backed up the SFA’s efforts, something which has added to the general confusion and chaos. In fact, it’s become clear that the death of Rangers, as we knew them, has been such a traumatic event that it must be denied. The authorities and media seem to have been so besotted with one club that its loss is out of the question. And so, it’s been gifted a bizarre kind of immunity from liquidation and death that implies its on-going existence, long after it drew it’s final breath.

This situation has opened the door to a legion of businessmen on the make. They have been allowed to perpetuate the myth, with SFA blessing, that they ‘saved’ Rangers. And their unwavering message is, that they can only succeed if fans keep giving them their hard-earned cash. To those outside the blue bubble it looks like a huge con trick. If the only source of real money in football is the fans, then the Ibrox faithful have been royally fleeced.

How different it could have been if the former club had been allowed a dignified end. A year out of the game would probably have allowed fans to restart a newco of their own. They could have applied for entry into the professional leagues along with the other clubs waiting in line. Chances are they would have been given special dispensation, and walked straight into the bottom tier. Of course, they would have claimed to be the continuation of the spirit of the previous entity — but would anyone have argued against that? How different it could have been if the rules governing the game had been respected. The SFA may even have kept their dignity intact and the press not felt obliged to print half-truths, falsehoods and lies.

You’ve got to wonder why Dunfermline and Hearts fought so desperately to avoid liquidation. After all, the Scottish football authorities now seem intent on convincing us that liquidation has little or no effect on a football club. Even past sins, such as wrongly-registered players are as naught — if, at the time, they were thought to have been registered correctly. By this logic, we have to ask: if a ‘company’ running a ‘club’ bribes a referee, will retrospective action will be taken against the ‘club’. The players and the club, after all, will have done nothing wrong. And since the referee was not known to have been bribed, and not struck off, he was qualified to referee the match in question, at the time. Using the SFA thought process, the result would probably be allowed to stand. Personally, I’m not sure I follow SFA logic. They’ve ‘moved the goalposts’, and (you saw it coming) bent them into an unrecognisable shape.

Which brings me back to our garden. The old metal goal frame is waiting to be driven down to the local re-cycling centre. The twisted metal and worn-out net are useless. Ruined by forces beyond our control. There is no interest in a replacement at present. Perhaps, if we have grandchildren, they will show an interest in football. If they do, I’ll build a new set of goalposts. They’ll be straight and true, the way the goalposts of childhood should be. The way goalposts should always be.

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Hoopy 7Posted on12:08 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Good Afternoon
Experienced difficulty comments newer comment button seems to have gone.
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End game approaching all spivs gone with full pockets but still in control. Time for CW to come out and claim the assets and we have liquidation of club.
Roll on Armageddon

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calums obsessionPosted on12:08 pm - Jan 25, 2014


@Martin Says
I read the Herald quoting Ally this morning saying he is delighted SDM (et al) still interested in Rangers and was slightly shocked. Surely rangers fans cannot be fooled into allowing the previous crew who destroyed their club to take over the newco? However, on that theme…….Torquemada says:
“I came across a very interesting talk on the psychology of greed and entitlement on TED Talks by an American psychologist called Paul Piff, who set up a game of rigged Monopoly to see how people behaved in specific situations……”

Something I could never understand in all of this was the attitude of many fans of entitlement etc, great find Torquemada! Seems like humans just choose to ignore the obvious truth and believe what suits their ego and agenda. Maybe that is why Ally can talk openly about the greatness of King Murray and Murray, they rigged the game (allegedly) and rather than those involved show contrition / understanding afterwards they simply believe the benefits of their tenure were no less than their due. Bit of a wow moment for me……

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JimBhoyPosted on12:09 pm - Jan 25, 2014


@Eco @TSFM

Ignore previous post as I rebooted and problem solved – perhaps a cache issue as their seems to be a lot of cash probs about just now 😆
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Their cache will soon be buffered… 😈

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JoethebookiePosted on12:20 pm - Jan 25, 2014


It really shouldn’t surprise us that the panellists on Radio Clyde dismiss the contractual payment made to Stockbridge.
They will read the official statement, see the words ‘no’ and ‘payment’ and that will be enough.
Derek Johnstone’s eyes would glaze over when he saw the ‘ex-gratia’ part.

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briggsbhoyPosted on12:22 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Torquemada @ 11.23am

Rigged Monopoly

As someone who competed some 30 yrs ago in The British Monopoly Championships I could have saved the Prof the need for research. I was the first bankrupcy of the morning and afternoon sessions and my God when folk got on top did they revel in it. I could have battered one guy he was that arrogant. The final was very interesting to watch as this teenager had the upper hand most of the match and he let everybody know. He revelled in every bankrupcy and anytime he was bringing financial ruin to someone, he was fanatical. In the final part of the game we were left with this obnoxsious teenager and a pensioner who had scrapped through on what he had. The former had the old guy on the verge of bankrupcy a few times but just couldn’t kill him off. He was trying to dictate what he should mortgage off to pay off his debt and which propeties he should remove houses on etc. It was gratifying to watch the tables turn as the throw of the dice was working on his behalf. The old fella won to the audiences delight. The young boy was just as the prof described. BTW a tip for you all the next time you play, buy The Vine St (the orange) properties they give you the best return on investment :). PS I suppose it is the same in any competition, there are those who play by the rules and those who like to win at all costs regardless of the rules, rules and fair play get in the way of what you desire.

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upthehoopsPosted on12:31 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Joethebookie says:
January 25, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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Derek Johnstone is an embarrassment who should not be put forward for serious comment in the media. There is little more can be said to describe him.

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Tif FinnPosted on12:43 pm - Jan 25, 2014


The notification on AIM is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.

“Brian Stockbridge is leaving, we did not pay him any money he was not entitled to”.

How obvious do these people want to make it that they are simply misleading the hard of thinking.

Johnston and Keevins fell for it.

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Tif FinnPosted on12:47 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Damage limitation exercise after Lee McCulloch talks garbage.

It’s from the official site so I think it can be taken as the manager / club’s take on the matter.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/6068-boss-backs-skippers-views

ALLY McCOIST has backed Rangers captain Lee McCulloch’s assertion there’s not a big gap between standards in the SPFL Premiership and League One.

The skipper told the official club website yesterday he felt there was a thin line between the sides Gers face every week and those operating in the top flight.

One newspaper headline today suggested the 35-year-old was claiming the elite sides weren’t any better than Gers but that wasn’t the case.

McCoist’s interpretation was that McCulloch was referring to sides towards the bottom end of the standings rather than the whole league.

The manager excludes the likes of Celtic, Aberdeen and Dundee United and has suggested they are of higher quality.

He does back McCulloch’s comments otherwise though and appreciates they were meant to be complimentary to teams in the third tier rather than derogatory to others.

McCoist, previewing tomorrow’s meeting with Arbroath at Ibrox, said: “I think Lee was meaning the bottom part of the Premiership.

“The way I’d look at it, there has been a massive improvement in the standard of lower-league football.
“I really do believe that. We experienced that last year and are experiencing it this year as well. We’ve played Falkirk in the Scottish Cup too.

“There has been an improvement and there will continue to be an improvement as we go up through the leagues, something you would naturally expect.

“I can totally understand what Lee says and I would agree with him. You just have to look at some of the cup results in the last two or three years which would indicate that.

“On their day, there’s certainly not a lot between a lot of the teams, although I’d certainly exclude the likes of Celtic.
“Derek (McInnes) is doing a fantastic job at Aberdeen and Dundee United are blowing a bit hot and cold but are more than capable of beating anybody.

“There are three or four teams I would exclude but I know what Lee means. The teams at the bottom of the Premiership, in the league below and our league are more than capable.”

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BrendaPosted on12:48 pm - Jan 25, 2014


upthehoops @ 12.31

BFDJ is an embarrassment but a delightful source of entertainment to non-sevconians on SSB …… Remember his ‘certainometer’ about someone buying rfc ……… That worked out well when CW came in he was over the moon 😆 I love listening to him and imagining what shade of purple he is turning when someone has the audacity to tell the truth about what’s happening at sevco 😆 the other pundits always tell him to stop banging his fist on the desk in the studio …….. Keep up the good work SSB 😉

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JimBhoyPosted on12:48 pm - Jan 25, 2014


When rangers fans celebrate a victory when they sack the money man on the board you gotta wonder what the hell is going on… Especially as they THINK he is going for nowt… BS was into his media and recordings I can imagine he has a few nice pieces of information that would ensure he gets his sal payed to end of the financial year (garden leave) and his contractual dues in full and his bonus back. It would only take a simple question from a journo to get that info… Then again a question to Wallace and McCoist about a certain sal cut did give us two answers just last week..

I suppose any small victory when you are facing tragedy is a bonus..At the end of the day rangers and the fans are the victims here , lest we forget..

With all the spivs going I wonder who is gonna be first to get their rangers recollections out in a book..?

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JoethebookiePosted on12:59 pm - Jan 25, 2014


upthehoops says:
January 25, 2014 at 12:31 pm
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The problem is that people do listen to him.
“It must be true, I heard it on the radio”
There are still folk out there who think that those in positions of authority are to be trusted.
The fact that there are others just as bad as Johnstone makes it even more difficult to convince the non bampots that what they are saying is a big steaming pile of horse manure.
I only ever listen to them in the car and it’s the only time I suffer from road rage.

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briggsbhoyPosted on1:05 pm - Jan 25, 2014


I was just pondering on Charlotte and the varying guises and twitter accounts. When she first came to this site she was someone who happened to have a pile of emails and was going to dump then. It was as if she had bought a laptop off ebay or gumtree and to her delight discovered that it had previously belonged to someone involved at Ibrox. Since that time I think she/he has shown that they are closer to things than first implied.

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TSFMPosted on1:45 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Unusually (very) high new registrations on the site. Beware a troll offensive 🙂

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neepheidPosted on1:49 pm - Jan 25, 2014


TSFM says:
January 25, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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Unusually (very) high new registrations on the site. Beware a troll offensive 🙂
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Which usually means fun and games at Ibrox to follow shortly- like Monday with a regulatory announcement on AIM, I guess. Just can’t wait to find out who bought all those shares last week.

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SmugasPosted on1:49 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Re the arrogant young Monopolist who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

I wonder what ever happened to young Mr Black?

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100BJDPosted on1:51 pm - Jan 25, 2014


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ecobhoy says:
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I am sure that Eco can look after himself although I must say that he is an excellent poster who is driven by the details of his particular subject. TSFM have a number of posters who detail their views in order for everyone to digest the detail and have an informed opinion. He was quite right to debunk the Celtic state aid propaganda and he did it with a wonderfully detailed and historically interesting series of posts. I think the amount of TD,s you have had demonstrate my point. If you do not wish any further eye damage simply do not read his posts……..

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justshateredPosted on1:55 pm - Jan 25, 2014


While all of ‘The Rangers’ fans are over the moon that Stockbridge has gone I would like to offer them this sobering thought.
The guy who has now taken over the temporary duties of Financial Director is reportedly on £500 per hour.
Working 7 hours a day is £3,500 per day.
Working 5 days a week at 7 hours a day is £17,500 per week.
After 12 weeks he’ll have earned £210,000.
So in TWELVE weeks this guy will take out more than Stockbridge did in a year.

Tremendous!!!!!

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SmugasPosted on1:59 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Just shattered,

It’s worse than that. They will go to Mr £70k per month and say would you like to be Mr £16k per month and be genuinely disappointed when he says no.

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ddmcPosted on2:01 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Is it credible that BS was behind the 2.5 million shares sold yesterday ? Cashing in his chips before resigning ?

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Greenock JackPosted on2:01 pm - Jan 25, 2014


justshatered says @ 1:55

Regarding the ‘reported’ numbers on Nash, where did they come from?

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oldtomboyPosted on2:02 pm - Jan 25, 2014


I am one of the new registrations and it may be down to the navigation issues on the site. The issue of the missing comments from last night and the newer comments button appear to have been resolved by registering.

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EnglandshirePosted on2:04 pm - Jan 25, 2014


TSFM says:
January 25, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Unusually (very) high new registrations on the site. Beware a troll offensive 🙂
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Long time lurker here. I had to register to read the posts from about 4.30pm to midnight yesterday.
As others have said before, without logging in, page 66 ends at 4.30pm and the next page contains 1 post at 7pm with no ‘Newer comments’ button

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BroguesRoguesAndILikeThePoguesPosted on2:08 pm - Jan 25, 2014


upthehoops says:
January 25, 2014 at 12:31 pm
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Joethebookie says:
January 25, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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Derek Johnstone is an embarrassment who should not be put forward for serious comment in the media. There is little more can be said to describe him.
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Best description I’ve ever heard of big DJ was ” Derek Johnstone: The Voice of a Scottish Football.”
made me laugh onyway.

BTW, watch out for McClugger reluctantly bringing a premature end to his illustrious career in order to take over from an exhausted McCoist.

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upthehoopsPosted on2:08 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Joethebookie says:
January 25, 2014 at 12:59 pm

There are still folk out there who think that those in positions of authority are to be trusted.
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I have my own views of why that is in Scotland, but this is not the forum to express them.

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BartinMainPosted on2:18 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Has Imran Ahmad been anonymously emailing Scottish journalists telling them that the money will run out by February 14th? I can’t say 100% if Ahmad is involved, but someone has been contacting these journalists.

The same person also told these journalists a week before Stockbridge’s departure that he would be leaving, and that a deal had been cut regarding his bonus.

There is also an interesting development in that Tom Whyte has apparently been telling acquaintances that his son has secured funding in order to pursue litigation regarding the assets. This has come from a source on twitter. The Ahmad stuff, by the way, did not.

Are these alleged events linked? Are Ahmed and Whyte hoping to apply one final bit of pressure in order to secure a pay- off, or is it more than that?

We will see in the next few weeks. My prediction is that the dates between 7 – 21 Feb will prove telling.

If nothing happens, I guess we can finally lay the ghost of Whyte to rest.

Bartin.

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BrendaPosted on2:29 pm - Jan 25, 2014


6 days 8 hours 32 minutes left do you think any players with 5 stars on their shirt will throw their shirt to the fans today? Adios amigos 😉

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ecobhoyPosted on2:34 pm - Jan 25, 2014


WARNING – THIS POST IS FAIRLY LONG AND A LITTLE COMPLEX AND THEREFORE HOPEFULLY WILL INTEREST 98% OF TSFM LURKERS AND POSTERS. THE REMAINDER ARE WELCOME TO CREATE ABSTRACTS THAT THE SMSM WILL PUBLISH – GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

PS: Anyone suffering from the dreaded Bleeding Eye Syndrome should immediately engage deflector shields!

If Dave King is to be a leading player at Ibrox I thought it would be interesting to look at his current business activities in South Africa rather than just concentrate on the past which we are all well aware of – well except for most of the SMSM it appears. I was prompted to have a look after being disgusted at today’s Daily Mail still trumpeting that poor Dave lost £20 million in Rangers. Of course they are by no means alone in broadcasting that PR succulent lamb spin.

So although I set out to look at the ‘new’ Dave King I ended up being drawn back to his previous battles with the South African tax authorities which still loom large over his business activities as I reveal later.

It’s not just Rangers who have suffered a falling share price of late but it has been joined by MICROmega Holdings Ltd, a public company incorporated in South Africa and listed on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange. Dave King is founder and executive chairman of the company whose controlling shareholder is the King Family Trust.

MICROmega is a holding company with controlling interests in a number of operating subsidiaries primarily focused on providing information technology, financial, occupational health & safety and labour supply services.

After the swingeing financial penalties which King accepted rather than the alternative of a lengthy jail sentence his 10 year battle with SARS – South African Revenue Services – ended last August with an immediate jump in Micromega’s share price. However it has recently been on a steady downward spiral.

On 21 January 2014 it was announced that Ms Tracey Wardle King had joined the Micromedia Board after recently returning to South Africa following 7 years working in international financial markets. She has joined the MICROmega board as a non-executive director but not ‘independent’ being a King Family Trust beneficiary.

However possibly more interesting for some, especially pension schemes badly burnt by share dealings in Specialised Outsourcing Ltd (SOL) where King made mega-millions and which initiated the long-running tax battle with SARS, is:

RENEWAL OF CAUTIONARY ANNOUNCEMENT on 16 January 2014 which stated: ‘Further to the announcement dated 18 October 2013 and the subsequent renewal of cautionary announcement dated 29 November 2013, shareholders are advised that the pro forma financial effects of the related party acquisition of NOSA Global Holdings Limited are still in the process of being finalised. Accordingly, shareholders are advised to continue exercising caution when dealing in the Company’s securities until a further announcement is made.’

NOSA GLOBAL HOLDINGS BACKGROUND

NOSA is an audit, certification and training services provider for private and public organisations in China, Brazil, Peru, Hong Kong, Indonesia and India for occupational, health and safety standards and employs 20+ staff with offices in Beijing and Shenzen. Nosa holds 100% in subsidiaries NOSA Shenzen Limited and NOSA Peru.

MICROmega concluded an agreement on 11 October 2013 to acquire 100% of the shares in the Hong Kong registered NOSA which were 100% held by Dave King (“the Vendor”) who is a related party to MICROmega being a director and major shareholder via his family trust.

The transaction arose because of the settlement agreement that King and his overseas family trust recently reached with SARS and SARB which specifically required the King family to brings certain business assets – held for some years outwith South Africa back into the country.

The notice to the Johannesburg stock exchange adds: ‘It was a logical step for MICROmega to acquire certain assets that directly correlate with its core business activities, of which Nosa Global Holdings is one, and in the process ensure that Mr King’s business interests will in the future be exclusively focused on the MICROmega Group of companies.

NOSA ACQUISITION TERMS

MICROmega will acquire 100% of the NOSA shares from Dave King wef 1 October 2013 for an acquisition price of R35 million – to be settled in cash of R17,273,569 through the elimination of a trade receivable owed by Dave King to creditors (which arose in the ordinary course of business) with the balance of R17,726,431 through the issue of 2,215,803 shares in MICROmega to the South African domiciled King Family Trust at an issue price of R8.00 per share.

Justice Southwood who described King’s evidence, before an Income Tax Act enquiry, as: “materially false and in certain respects a complete fabrication” summarised a King interview after he’d sold his SOL shares, as follows:

‘He is a serial entrepreneur i.e. according to his definition, a person who loves to create businesses and to dispose thereof at a profit, quickly, as soon as the business is a success and before it develops or encounters problems. He considers that the best way of disposing of a business was to take the shareholding of the vehicle to the Stock Exchange, as stock exchanges tend to overprice this type of business. i.e. the type of business which he creates.

‘There is no moral or other obstacle or reason for him not to dispose of the shareholding in a company created by him. He will always ensure that he leaves behind him a business which (he’s) sold because otherwise people will not continue to support him in his next venture.’

It would appear that the Jury is still out and it remains to be seen whether people continue to support him in fresh ventures. That raises the interesting issue as to whether Bears would be more likely to invest with him than South Africans because they view King as yet another Ibrox ‘victim’ whereas a lot of South Africans see themselves as victims of his business philosophy.

Of course perhaps King will never invest or become involved in Rangers as per the Johannesburg stock exchange announcement which stated that in the future he will be: ‘exclusively focused on the MICROmega Group of companies’.

Or, could Rangers soon become a subsidiary of MICROmega and what Rangers would that be? It may well be that King already holds a substantial shareholding in Rangers through overseas-based companies or other nominee mechanisms and if he doesn’t that doesn’t preclude him from doing so in future.

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upthehoopsPosted on2:38 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Willie Miller on Sportsound playing devils advocate on the notion that Graham Wallace is the best Chief Executive in the world, ever. He simply points out that Wallace has not exactly got off to a great start with the farcical failure to reduce the wage bill of “grossly overpaid players”. Chick Young behaving like the guy in the pub who simply can’t hear a single word of criticism about the club from Ibrox, and believes raising his voice is the way to win the argument. EDIT: Chick now saying ‘Mr’ Wallace – the deference is breathtaking. Willie Miller asking the very straightforward questions again.

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gamesabogeyPosted on2:43 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Just catching up on the past day’s activities and the recurring question is “Why now ?”. From an unassailable position, the FD takes his cash out of the company (while both are still there) and another 2 mm shares are unloaded. Job done. The Gibbons article is a compilation of Ally’s greatest hits, but until now they have been hits denied any mainstream airplay. Finally, there was Ally’s unprompted reference to SDM. The odds against reaching the end of the 120 day review must be increasing sharply.

Interesting times.

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SmugasPosted on2:47 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Sportsound

Oo, Well played Willie.

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ecobhoyPosted on2:50 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Tif Finn says:
January 25, 2014 at 12:47 pm

Damage limitation exercise after Lee McCulloch talks garbage. It’s from the official site so I think it can be taken as the manager / club’s take on the matter.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/6068-boss-backs-skippers-views

ALLY McCOIST has backed Rangers captain Lee McCulloch’s assertion there’s not a big gap between standards in the SPFL Premiership and League One. The skipper told the official club website yesterday he felt there was a thin line between the sides Gers face every week and those operating in the top flight.
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I think we are too hard on Ally – I mean it isn’t as if he’s getting his excuse in early for not buying any players when he doesn’t need to buy any in this window or the next because his squad are more than capable for the next step and Europe too I would imagine 😯

I have said before and I say it again and not to poke fun but out of genuine concern: Someone should take Ally to a darkened room and sedate him for a couple of weeks because his brain is clearly turning into mince.

The pressure on him is enormous and it doesn’t really matter whether he ‘deserves’ it or not but I fear he faces a serious breakdown and I think he personally is past the point where he can make informed decsions wrt his personal health.

I stress, this is a serious post and hope it will be treated as such because football should never be allowed to destroy lives, health and relationships – it just isn’t important enough.

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Paulmac2Posted on2:53 pm - Jan 25, 2014


If sports sound is anything to go by…GW is doing a terrific job…the club are moving in the right direction…not sure who the thorn was in questioning their glowing appraisal of the SEVCO franchise?

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StevieBCPosted on2:54 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Tam Cowan’s column can be a bit ‘hit & miss’ – but his piece today about TRFC pampering is worth a read.
Best line for me:

“…It’s a stunning place, though, and the Carnoustie Hotel boasts four stars (that’s four more than the current Rangers squad)…”

Ouch! 🙄

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion/sport/tam-cowan-rangers-stars-were-3059308

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Paulmac2Posted on2:55 pm - Jan 25, 2014


ecobhoy says:
January 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm
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He is mearly drifting in the hope things change for the better…without any input from him!

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EnglandshirePosted on3:05 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Scottish football has a strong Arbroath (c) redlitchie 🙂

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iamacantPosted on3:07 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Englandshire says:
January 25, 2014 at 3:05 pm

Scottish football has a strong Arbroath (c) redlitchie 🙂
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And they are leading 1-0 just now

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Geordie BhoyPosted on3:17 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Hello! I am usually a lurker on this site, although I have posted a few times previously. I have been encouraged to sign in as the comments pages are going bananas for those lurkers not signed in. Trying to go back from the latest comments page to the previous comments page leads to an “empty” comments page, with only the top & bottom “Older Comments” links being shown. Clicking on one of these links then takes one back to the comments page of the “Bonkers OC/NC Thread!”

I have tried both Firefox & Opera … both browsers exhibit exactly the same behaviour suggesting that it is the HTML they receive that is the issue.

Edit: This has happened a few times over the last week.

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expatbhoyPosted on3:17 pm - Jan 25, 2014


The timing of the departure of the financial director may have something to do with this years interim accounts, this being the case this suggests the figures are down on his projections made at the end of August, one of them being a cash flow projection.
If his projections were out the fan backlash would not be worth risking, and he was persuaded to fall on his sword, the 120 day review may become a 60 day review.

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LurkPakPosted on3:21 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Good afternoon all,

Yesterday I spent a short while laughing with my buddy over Lee McCulloch’s hilarious statement regarding the difference in ability between the divisions. A quick visit to wiki and the laughter intensified greatly.

Elbows scored 13 league goals in 5 years playing in the SPL.
Elbows scored 17 in Div 3 and has 11 in ‘League One’ at the moment.

In total in 2012/2013 he scored 26 goals in all competitions, 6 more than his previous 5 years in the SPL.

He wasn’t good enough to play up front in the SPL, but can score for fun in the lower leagues. The figures would seem to indicate the gulf is fairly significant between leagues.

Does he even remember playing in the SPL or have the Spivs bought him a new history as well? 😀

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Cluster OnePosted on3:29 pm - Jan 25, 2014


ecobhoy this may help with your Abnormal Ground conditions.
Calton’s MSP, John Macson has called upon the Scottish Government’s intervention following yet another subsidence issue within his constituency.For the third time in a row a building or road within Glasgow Shettleston-in close proximity to Glasgow 2014 venues-has been closed due to subsidence. In January 2012 a major strategic road in the East End was closed for six months when the Building at 594 London road was deemed unsafe.
Later that year,in October 2012,part of the road surface between Celtic Park and the Emirates Arena collapsed.This meant that another part of London road was closed for 8 months-directly outside two Commonwealth Games venues.
Also just recently residents in the Calton area had to flee their homes due to subsidence.
Mr Mason has now written to both Derek MacKay MSP,Minister for Local Government and Planning and to Shona Robison MSP, Minister for Commonwealth Games and Sport.
Commenting,John Mason local MSP, said “Unfortunatley the previous two cases-both on London road-have shown Glasgow City Council to be incredibly slow to take action which is simply unacceptable”
(Looks to me as if the Ground is begining to give way all over the East End)

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John ClarkPosted on3:32 pm - Jan 25, 2014


ianagain says:
January 25, 2014 at 1:01 am
‘…..they trying to remove corroboration from the statute? For why?’
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( Apologies to all for being OT, but I need to reply to ianagain for courtesy’s sake)
Briefly, the Justice Secretary wants to end the requirement for corroboration. It appears that too many alleged rapists get off because of lack of corr.
House (Police Scotland) has had the gall to enter the political arena by taking on Lord McCloskey in the press.
It is not now, and never can be, legitimate for a police chief openly to engage in political argument, championing a particular view. He should be severely censured by the Scottish parliament, and told to keep his gob shut.

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aclydefanPosted on3:34 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Just fyi, I also experience older comments not working correctly from time to time if I’m not signed in. On signing in, the site then works perfectly.

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CastofthousandsPosted on3:36 pm - Jan 25, 2014


ecobhoy says:
January 25, 2014 at 10:11 am

“Don’t know if you are aware but approx 8 hours of postings from yesterday afternoon until midnight appear to have disappeared.”
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I experienced a similar thing but like you rebooted and it cleared up. I assumed this was something to do with my computer as you did.

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John ClarkPosted on3:40 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Cluster One says:
January 25, 2014 at 3:29 pm
‘..(Looks to me as if the Ground is begining to give way all over the East End)..’
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Happily, I understand that the Bunnet made sure that Celtic Park was built on strong physical foundations, just as he put the club on a strong financial footing.
We would have to assume that the CG buildings were securely grounded? Do we know who were the consultant engineers?

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ecobhoyPosted on3:45 pm - Jan 25, 2014


ecobhoy says:
January 25, 2014 at 2:34 pm

Add to above post detailing Dave Kings current business activities in South Africa,. Latin America, China and elsewhere

I should have included following details in my original post wrt the CAUTIONARY ANNOUNCEMENT on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange over the sale of the100% shareholding held by Dave King in the Hong Kong registered NOSA to South African incorporated MICROmega of which King is Executive Chair:

Goodwill and other intangibles amounting to R27,286,009 million will arise on the acquisition of NOSA and the rationale behind the purchase is given as:

MICROmega intends expanding its NOSA audit and certification services to the Asian and Latin American markets and the acquisition is in line with MICROmega strategy to position itself as the leading provider of occupational health and safety services. NOSA was purchased because of its existing brand recognition and MICROmega’s ability to scale earnings growth off the current operating base within China and Latin America and its established and growing client base.

Because of the related party nature of the transaction the Johannesburg Stock Exchange (JSE) required a Fairness Opinion on the transaction as follows:

The company will be appointing an independent expert, acceptable to the JSE, for this opinion whose findings will be published in due course.

The transaction is required to be fair as far as shareholders of MICROmega are concerned. If the independent expert finds that the transaction isn’t fair, then the acquisition will require approval for the transaction by resolution of its shareholders.

The resolution will be subject to a simple majority of votes of shareholders, other than the related party and its associates, being cast in favour of the resolution.

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Geordie BhoyPosted on3:50 pm - Jan 25, 2014


TSFM says:
January 25, 2014 at 1:45 pm

Unusually (very) high new registrations on the site. Beware a troll offensive

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The problems with the comments may explain this event. It certainly got me to sign up (to this latest incarnation).

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Tif FinnPosted on3:56 pm - Jan 25, 2014


I would have more sympathy for McCoist if he had not deliberately put other people’s safety at risk.

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ecobhoyPosted on3:58 pm - Jan 25, 2014


john clarke says:
January 25, 2014 at 3:32 pm
ianagain says:
January 25, 2014 at 1:01 am

‘….. they trying to remove corroboration from the statute? For why?’
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It is not now, and never can be, legitimate for a police chief openly to engage in political argument, championing a particular view. He should be severely censured by the Scottish parliament, and told to keep his gob shut.
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You know, probably impossible to prove, but I wonder if what House is about is just saving money to meet the tighter budgets he has been set. Not needing to provide corroboration could result in a reduction in cop numbers.

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Tif FinnPosted on4:04 pm - Jan 25, 2014


As I understand it the idea is not to do away with all requirement for corroborate. It specifically relates to two things. One where there is unlikely to be another witness, for example rape cases and two for the testimony of recognised (by the Court) experts, for example DNA.

It is worth bearing in mind that corroboration does not have to be another person giving the same evidence. For example it could be an eye witness to a stabbing and the accused’s fingerprints being on the weapon.

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Galling fiverPosted on4:04 pm - Jan 25, 2014


LMcC has never played in the big show, SPFL is half the age of his club.

Last week Willie Miller got tore into the argument that the emergence of more young Scottish talent, which has been perversely accredited to the Armageddon which RFC caused, and even more incredibly does not exist, was bullshit. Youth development was always quite good, overspending on dumplins stumped its growth. And the armageddonists are having a laugh, basically. Quite like him now.

Who’s bought these shares then?

Carry on.

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Galling fiverPosted on4:10 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Hope the problems with the site was not as a result of my wish to become a fancy dan quoter and bold blogger, coz I was having a bubble. Oops gotta go , mon arbroath. 😆

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South0fThe BorderPosted on4:12 pm - Jan 25, 2014


I had to reregister to see the missing comments from yesterday. Clearing my cache didn’t work.

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andygraham.66Posted on4:12 pm - Jan 25, 2014


They may score 3 in the time between this post and the end of the game (possibly with some assistance) but this result v the 2nd bottom team in the division at home isnt doing anything for the last remaining Spiv

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ecobhoyPosted on4:14 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Cluster One says:
January 25, 2014 at 3:29 pm

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ecobhoy this may help with your Abnormal Ground conditions.
Calton’s MSP, John Macson has called upon the Scottish Government’s intervention following yet another subsidence issue within his constituency.For the third time in a row a building or road within Glasgow Shettleston-in close proximity to Glasgow 2014 venues-has been closed due to subsidence. In January 2012 a major strategic road in the East End was closed for six months when the Building at 594 London road was deemed unsafe.
Later that year,in October 2012,part of the road surface between Celtic Park and the Emirates Arena collapsed.This meant that another part of London road was closed for 8 months-directly outside two Commonwealth Games venues.
Also just recently residents in the Calton area had to flee their homes due to subsidence.
Mr Mason has now written to both Derek MacKay MSP,Minister for Local Government and Planning and to Shona Robison MSP, Minister for Commonwealth Games and Sport.
Commenting,John Mason local MSP, said “Unfortunatley the previous two cases-both on London road-have shown Glasgow City Council to be incredibly slow to take action which is simply unacceptable”
(Looks to me as if the Ground is begining to give way all over the East End)
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This type of incident is fairly common in the East End and has been for some time because of the amount of coal mined there from the 1700s onwards.

The big problem is that before 1862 I think it was there was no statutory requirement to file the plans of mine workings and even after the enabling act was passed many mine owners ignored the statutory requirements. A bit like todays Companies House whose pathetic post-office style operation leads to many collapsing businesses not being spotted before shareholders and creditors are stiffed.

But there are numerous mines which were dug whose shafts might have been spotted but whose underground workings remain largely unknown.

Everything would have been fine if the CG Organisers had only listened to the Bear Land ‘Experts’ who have identified the only piece of perfect housebuilding land in the East End at Westthorn 😆

However on a serious note we could have a tragic incident with major loss of life occur – as another poster pointed the houses and a seconday school on the site of the CG village were demolished many years ago because they were slowly sinking and it had reached a stage where a collapse was inevitable.

However modern building techniques and surveying advances have reduced the risk for newbuild but it remains for older properties and I’m not really sure the money exists to do more than offer lip-service to the problem despite the potential seriousness.

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ecobhoyPosted on4:17 pm - Jan 25, 2014


South0fThe Border says:
January 25, 2014 at 4:12 pm

I had to reregister to see the missing comments from yesterday. Clearing my cache didn’t work.
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Oops I raised the cache as a joke to play-on ‘cash’ and problems down Ibrox way 😳

When I rebooted my ‘puter and signed-in the probs cleared.

EDIT – ADD

Having now read TSFM’s post I must be a psychic 🙂

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TSFMPosted on4:20 pm - Jan 25, 2014


The caching problems may have been caused by some work we did trying to speed the site up. I have reversed the changes that were made. Hopefully that will work, and then we will have a rethink on the cache.

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ecobhoyPosted on4:43 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Tif Finn says:
January 25, 2014 at 4:04 pm

As I understand it the idea is not to do away with all requirement for corroborate. It specifically relates to two things. One where there is unlikely to be another witness, for example rape cases and two for the testimony of recognised (by the Court) experts, for example DNA.

It is worth bearing in mind that corroboration does not have to be another person giving the same evidence. For example it could be an eye witness to a stabbing and the accused’s fingerprints being on the weapon.
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The issue as I understand it goes way beyond corroboration and is quite a radical shake-up in the Scots criminal justice system. It’s a while since I read the Carloway Report but it’s a good starting point although I don’t agree with some of his recommendations – however that’s something for discussion elsewhere.

But it’s worth a look.

As to the eye witness and the knife with fingerprints – all I can say is that if the eye-witness can positively ID the knife wielder then that would be corroboration in forming the evidence ‘rope’ from various strands in which the fingerprints would feature. But if the eye witness couldn’t identify the knife wielder then that could become a different kettle of fish no matter whose fingerprints are on the weapon.

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BarcabhoyPosted on4:48 pm - Jan 25, 2014


There is every chance the interims for RIFC will be delayed. The FD is largely responsible for the production of these. It is possible that Stockbridge completed these in the 3 weeks since the end of the interim trading period on December 31st.
However i would be amazed if Wallace and the board are prepared to provide figures to the AIM market based on Stockbridges work. It would be more likely that a new FD will want to undertake a line by line examination , before putting his name to anything. There is also the normal practice of incoming CEO’s and FD’s wanting to make sure that any bad news is reported in the first set of figures, where they can blame the previous incumbents .

Wallace will reasonably point to Mather and Stockbridge as being almost totally responsible for the financial results for the first 6 months of the current trading year. I suspect when they are eventually presented to AIM they will be horrible.

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Cluster OnePosted on4:48 pm - Jan 25, 2014


John clark says http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-chancery-judges
This may help

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StevieBCPosted on4:48 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Tif Finn says: January 25, 2014 at 3:56 pm
I would have more sympathy for McCoist if he had not deliberately put other people’s safety at risk.
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Apologies TF, but I think in this instance it is worth being pedantic to clarify why many regard McCoist with contempt.

“I would have more sympathy for McCoist if he had not deliberately put other people – and their families’ -safety at risk. “

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Tif FinnPosted on5:19 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Scottish law has already been radically shaken up, with the discussion on corroboration only being one part of it.

Changes so far include,

1, The detention period is now 12 hours and can be extended up to another 12.

2, The detained person now has the right to consult a lawyer and have one present when being interviewed.

3, There is now a requirement for disclosure by Crown Office to the defence.

All of which are fundamental changes to our system.

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ianagainPosted on5:31 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Thanks John Eco and Tif.
Ill peruse the reports. Just shows you. Not a cheep about this in the meeja down here.

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Tif FinnPosted on5:33 pm - Jan 25, 2014


ian

They are bringing in PACE (Scotland) in installments, they just don’t want to admit it.

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Bill1903Posted on5:45 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Stuart Cosgrove et al getting tore into ally on sportsound now 😀

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Bill1903Posted on5:48 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Bill1903 says:
January 25, 2014 at 5:45 pm
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Stuart Cosgrove et al getting tore into ally on sportsound now
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Michael Stewart,Paul Hartley,Stuart Cosgrove and Speirsy on tonight by the way
Sounds promising

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Cluster OnePosted on5:55 pm - Jan 25, 2014


ecobhoy says: ……………However on a serious note we could have a tragic incident with major loss of life occur – as another poster pointed the houses and a seconday school on the site of the CG village were demolished many years ago because they were slowly sinking (That was me )and it had reached a stage where a collapse was inevitable.
A Red sandstone building did collapse in the 90s at the top of Springfield road across from St Michaels school but i can’t remember if anyone was killed

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cosmichaggisPosted on6:11 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Ally McCoist thoroughly put to the sword by Michael Stewart and team, plus an excellent Bear caller – smashing stuff.

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wottpiPosted on6:48 pm - Jan 25, 2014


cosmichaggis says:
January 25, 2014 at 6:11 pm
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Ally McCoist thoroughly put to the sword by Michael Stewart and team, plus an excellent Bear caller – smashing stuff
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Was no great fan of Stewart as a player but he certainly doesn’t pull his punches or fail to voice an opinion which maybe explains why he maybe didn’t fit in at clubs.

Still dissapointed that someone like Spiers can’t see through McCoists Cheekie Chappie persona.
Nicely put in his place by the contributor who pointed out that Ebbe Scovdahl apparently took a pay cut when required.

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John ClarkPosted on7:41 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Tif Finn says:
January 25, 2014 at 4:04 pm
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Yes, there probably was and is room for changes in the criminal justice system. I’ve no difficulties with that, but with the public entry into political debate of the Chief Constable. We need to remind these guys that the people through Parliament make the law. Their job is to enforce it.
( We have in other spheres seen all too clearly what happens when the law-makers are also the enforcers of their laws!) 😀

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manandboyPosted on7:44 pm - Jan 25, 2014


A strictly scientific appraisal of Mr McCoist –

When was the last time
anyone heard a successful football manager
speak
the way AMcC does.

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GoosyGoosyPosted on7:51 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Barcabhoy says:

January 25, 2014 at 4:48 pm
Wallace will reasonably point to Mather and Stockbridge as being almost totally responsible for the financial results for the first 6 months of the current trading year. I suspect when they are eventually presented to AIM they will be horrible.
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Barcabhoy
Rarely disagree with your comments
But I have to say
I cannot see any accounts being presented to AIM by RIFC
This co has served its purpose and the upcoming priority is to escape Ibrox before the loonies get after them
RIFC was created by Spivs for the sole benefit of Spivs
Their MO follows a well trodden path
They will claim TRFC assets and ST cash to satisfy debt owed by TRFC to RIFC
Then move the cash and assets offshore to a Spiv co out of reach of UK law
I reckon thats how it will end up

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John ClarkPosted on8:09 pm - Jan 25, 2014


Cluster One says:
January 25, 2014 at 5:55 pm
‘……..A Red sandstone building did collapse in the 90s at the top of Springfield road across from St Michaels school but i can’t remember if anyone was killed’
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According to the link below,( Parkhead streets in alpha order) two women were injured!.

http://parkheadhistory.com/?page_id=1483

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John ClarkPosted on8:30 pm - Jan 25, 2014


GoosyGoosy says:
January 25, 2014 at 7:51 pm
“… This co has served its purpose and the upcoming priority is to escape Ibrox before the loonies get after them..”
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Can you reassure Keith Jackson that his nightmare (” Ibrox razed to the ground”) will not become reality?The poor soul is very worried.

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Tif FinnPosted on8:33 pm - Jan 25, 2014


This is the modern face of Scottish football.

Well a section of it.

http://willievass.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/250114-Rangers-v-Arbroath/G0000hsfCqJwPeR4/I0000UMbl2.qTT64/C0000ThqwCLASK_4

It’s frightening, in several different ways.

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slimshady61Posted on8:39 pm - Jan 25, 2014


john clarke says:
January 25, 2014 at 3:32 pm
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Well said JC. Also Ecobhoy, this is nothing to do with falling police numbers and everything to do with the police/government fixation on sex crime statistics and the need to raise the conviction rate regardless of the consequences elsewhere in the justice system.

McCluskey is right of course, there are corrupt cops, always have been and always will. Every section of society has them.

As for its relevance to this site, it is relevant in that it is another example of the chief constable’s obsession with his own importance, best exemplified in the OBA which he & MacAskill had passed in light of Lennon’s behaviour at the infamous shame game (where 3 players who handled a match official and a manager who ignited the flare up in the first place were all exonerated.

The OBA of course allows police to arrest people on the sole and wholly subjective criterion that a policeman or woman finds a song offensive. But it only applies to fans of Celtic or Rangers so it is a law that is subjective and partial.

You really couldn’t make it up but cops are doing so all over the country on a regular basis. Thankfully many sheriffs have seen through this sham act and found no case to answer. Meanwhile House prances around in his shortsleeve poloneck, looking for photo ops at every turn, writing to the papers on a basis that is at odds with his position as you say.

And to think we used to have police chiefs who commanded respect…

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