This is a reblog of an excellent post by http://glasnostandapairofstrikers.wordpress.com.
TSFM will be posting a new blog tomorrow dealing with the continued intimidation and threats that seem to follow New Rangers everywhere.
Thanks to Glasnost and Pair of Strikers for their permission to reblog. I am sure we will be hearing from them for some time to come.
Quick tune into SSB IT’S SUPERB tonight guidi and delah**t totally flapping and Rae trying to escape the studio!! Well worth a listen on replay 🙂 🙂
miki67
Do we still have faith that UEFA are any less inclined to turn a blind eye to all of this than the SPL or SFA are?
Given the pantomime scale of what has gone on this summer, I think that a UEFA intervention had it been likely, would have happened before this. But they haven’t, and I see nothing in the near future that will shake them from their important lunch reservations.
TSFM @19:54
FIFA and UEFA will stay well clear of this until there is proof that it will or has impacted on one of their precious competitions
It is inconceivable that they SFA has not discussed this with them, but they will have assured their Swiss masters that this is no more than a normal insolvency
Dual contracts and ineligible players on the other hand…………………………………….
I hope liverpool get stuffed tonight. Those teams with far too much money think they can come up here with weakened teams.
Did the rules change that allow Hearts now to play European ties at Tynecastle?
I remember they had to play at Murrayfield because their park was not at the minimum limits.
How can Liverpool not have a strip which will not clash with Maroon, both clubs having to change strips sound ludicrous.
Will the same happen in the away leg or will Hearts have to use the white strip as tonight while Liverpool wear red?
Does the same happen when they play West Ham or Burnley??
An excellent and much needed contribution , we need to get less sevco obsessed and look to the long term future of our game, or we will fail to frame the debate when the attempt to gerrymander sevco into an spl2 takes place.
parttimearab says:
August 23, 2012 at 20:49(Edit)
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Agreed.
If you have any concerns regarding Sevco getting a further leg up, write to your club now and tell them that this will be your last season book if it happens. And keep writing, EVERY time Regan tries one of his cack handed kite flyers. They are trying to build some momentum for this, a disciplined and concerted counter balance by the fans direct to the clubs will get we ‘diddy’ clubs the reconstruction so badly needed without further corruption.
liverpool look to be sevco standard
Message from St.Mirren buy-out group
“On an almost daily basis we had been expecting the football club to get more information on how much and when it would receive its SPL payments.
We have been informed today that these issues have now been resolved, thankfully with very little effect on the cash flow or income of the club.”
Armageddon on hold then!
In relation to what Celtic know in regard to SPL 2 and Sevco, let us not forget PL and Doncaster finalised the new deal with SKY. If it turns out that part of the SKY deal involves Sevco being in SPL2, then Celtic are complicit in this sham.
mirrenman says:
August 23, 2012 at 20:54
‘We have been informed today that these issues have now been resolved, thankfully with very little effect on the cash flow or income of the club.”
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A very cheering and heartening post, indeed. And good luck with the buy-out.
i am surprised that we have supposedly intelligent people on this forum but they seem surprised that the sfa/spl will not maniulate the league format to accommodate rangers.
They seem surprised that ticketus might still be involved in rangers, lol its so bleeding obvious.
as for Celtic being complicit, grow some. When Celtic were heading for liquidation, it did not matter a jot.
there is always hope with mccoist being the manager.
I have been purchasing tickets for games on a week to week basis for my club of choice. I made this decision because I don’t see why that club or any other should be further disadvantaged in light of the financial doping scandal at the club formerly known as Rangers.
I will continue this practice until a suitable punishment is served on the club responsible. If my club avoid the issue by staying silent until normal service resumes, or indeed are exposed as being party to the feed the bears campaign being conducted by the governing bodies and MSM, my purchasing of matchday tickets will stop.
I think it’s high time the silence was broken. Known knowns and known unknowns aside, the continued non comment is now IMO, wrong. In or out of the CL, next Thursday would be an ideal time to comment, then let the outrage settle without disrupting the team.
parttimearab @ 20:49
Whilst I am in broad agreement with you, the way Sevco are perceived and treated is fundamental to league reconstruction
The article raises valid questions, but if we can’t get the discussion to a wider audience,then any reconstruction will only be brought about for the good of Sevco, not Scottish football
Of course Celtic are complicit – had they opposed this then none of this would have come to pass – their silence like all silences implies consent. But Celtic are not alone, all clubs are complicit in the scam. And all who support them financially and emotionally are also complicit – however much it pains them – such are the tentacles of the octopus ( I am reckoning they are in there somewhere). There is no escape in Scottish football from the stench of corruption and league fixing and rule breaking.
The only honourable solution is for all fans to walk away for a month or two or three – however long it takes – until the entire structure of Scottish football is reformed by outside professionals (no-one in Scotland has the detachment or gravitas to do this) and an entirely new body replaces the 3 bankrupt ones we have at present.
Sadly there are too many fans who have shown a willingness to carry on as normal. Those who have bought new strips, season tickets and Sky and ESPN subscriptions have allowed this fraud to be perpetrated – a horrible but true observation I am afraid.
mirrenman. says
august 23, 2012 at 20:54
imo fan buyouts may be the only hope of saving our game, so best wishes for your project.
If your going to claim the right to have five stars on your jersey you may as well have them on everything. Rangers have ditched Parks of Hamilton for Bruce’s Coaches of Salsburgh. Nice to see them entering into the spirit of things with their choice of livery for the team coach.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stennybusman/6538150195/
iceman, you want them to be complicit, you are a typical fan who tries to involve Celtic in every rangers failing
the buck stops with regan and doncaster, two amateurs who came to Scotland for an easy life and a large paycheck.
Unconfirmed from Twitter
A member of Strathclyde’s finest has proferred that 9 former RFC* Chairmen/Directors & 5 former managers will shortly be assisting enquiries
@ Stanblack
The SFA and SPL and SFL are bodies made up of member clubs – Regan and Doncaster act on their behalf – the leaked e-mails involving Rod petrie showed just how deeply the clubs were involved in all of these actions. Only the refusal to buy season tickets pushed the clubs from allowing SEVCO into the SPL – the buying of ST’s and subsequent normalisation of fan behaviour following the decision not to allow them into the SPL allowed the clubs the room to place them into the SFL – though once again fan action forced them into the lower echelons. All of the clubs without this pressure from the fans still buy into the old model of having Rangers ( any Rangers ) in the top flight. The “reconstruction” is an attempt to acclerate this process. It is simply not enough for Celtic fans ( and I was and hopefully will be one again) to claim that their club is not involved. They are the biggest club in Scotlans with the most clout. Had Celtic announced even privately that this fradulent entry of SEVCO was unacceptable to them and that they would oppose it in any way possible then it could not have occurred. Celtic are not alone in this – no clubs demurred from the agreement, no clubs threatened to resign from their respective leagues, no clubs pushed forward votes of censure even on any office bearers. All clubs are therefore complicit.
For me, there is one major issue which I don’t know whether it can be resolved – and a couple of other points which can be addressed;
1) Business v. Sport conflict.
Whilst Scottish football has Plc’s and a dependence on TV revenues, there could always be a conflict here. Don’t know how this can be reconciled.
2) Revamped SFA/SPL/SFL.
I think most people would agree that the quality of Scottish football – and the quality of Scottish players – has declined significantly in the last 20+ years ?
The SFA has failed the Scottish game in this respect.
Also, in a time of austerity there is no need for 3 sets of admin overheads to run Scottish football.
Ultimately, the SFA & SPL in particular have lost credibility in the last 6 months, and new leadership is required.
3) Customer focus required.
Also known as ‘listening to the fans’.
IMO – over the last 6 months it has been nothing less than shocking to see how the SFA & SPL have treated Scottish football fans with utter contempt.
Disinformation planted in the media, intimidation directed at clubs – and a total lack of response to fans’ feedback.
In my own case I must have sent about 10 polite emails to the SFA/SPL over the piece – and did not so much as receive an automated email response.
Regan and Doncaster also chose not to utilise their own organisation websites to communicate to the fans.
In this respect, football is not a unique business: if you don’t listen to your customers, they will eventually spend their money/leisure time elsewhere.
Also, if you don’t listen to your customers but you are trying to sell a sub-standard product at a premium price in a period of austerity – then you are just stupid.
Regardless of specific suggestions – out of this Scottish football crisis there must be opportunities which can be secured to improve the health of the game overall ?
There is no doubt that Scottish Football has needed a reconstruction of the way it is governed. For such a small country 3 Governing bodies is too many, however to carry out this reconstruction to accommodate a new club and shoehorn them up the leagues is the wrong way to go about it.
Those in charge of the game have vested interests to protect and will not give up power easily.
Witness Brother Ogilvie’s determination to hang onto power despite being seriously conflicted. he is not the only one and they will not go unless there is a revolution.
smallteaser says:
August 23, 2012 at 18:53
Haywire says:
August 23, 2012 at 18:02
Fairy Nuff, Smallteaser. .
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The gist of the post was that the removal of Old Firm reps would lead to a fairer SFA, I doubt it.
You end up with a gang of X against Celtic and any decisions would be seen as that by the fan.
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The key thing for a fairer (back to “fair” again!) SFA, in my opinion, would be far more transparency by the body in question, as well as actually implementing, without fear or favour, its own Rules.
Now I have had the odd problem with Celtic supporters in the past, over a number of years, so I don’t want this to sound like a Killie/Celtic love in, but I have to say that I was quite impressed by the response of the Celtic support after the League Cup Final. My daughter and I queued for the train at Mount Florida with a number of Celtic supporters who were reasonably philosophical about the result.
This was in stark contrast to a number of middle aged, shaven headed and nominally “Killie” supporters who were in the row in front of us during the game. Their behaviour and demeanour was deplorable, and they were obviously there to see Celtic beaten, rather than to see Killie win. Needless to say, they had some difficulty with the Killie team’s names!
mirrenman says:
August 23, 2012 at 20:54
Message from St.Mirren buy-out group
“On an almost daily basis we had been expecting the football club to get more information on how much and when it would receive its SPL payments.
We have been informed today that these issues have now been resolved, thankfully with very little effect on the cash flow or income of the club.”
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MM, any idea why St Mirren did not try and get this issue highlighted in the MSM??
All clubs must have been the same with no idea how much they would receive.
Surely the clubs must have a contract that tells them what they will be paid and under what conditions, so why is there a problem here??
No business can plan, or indeed survive without having the ability to forecast cash flow, why do the clubs not know how much they are contractually due to receive?
Is the same happening with the new deal also??
Is it any wonder they end up in debt if they cannot ensure cash flow.
parttimearab says:
August 23, 2012 at 20:49
An excellent and much needed contribution , we need to get less sevco obsessed and look to the long term future of our game, or we will fail to frame the debate when the attempt to gerrymander sevco into an spl2 takes place.
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Rab,
I ‘get’ & appreciate that sentiment, but the long term future of our game is only served with the proper ‘policing’ and implementation of the rules, of an entity that has been involved in the systematic dismantling of all that is (or was) good in Scottish Football. Bearing in mind that Scottish football was at it’s best when the ‘establishment’ team was at it’s worst!
If we lose momentum as a “Scottish ‘Football Fans’ collective” now and let ourselves forget that one club is dictating the agenda then we’ll end up back where we were 8 months ago!
Let’s make sure that at least one decent punishment is handed out to this deceased club so as to make sure other clubs …. strike that … so that SEVCO Franchise don’t attempt it much the same as RFC did! ;
J
campsiejoe says august 23, @ 21:27
the more we argue for fair and honest governance in Scottish football and a league structure that benefits the whole game and all clubs the greater our power to resist a false “reconstruction” made for the benefit of one club
i don’t think you could put a fag paper between our positions?
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 23, 2012 at 21:43
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Unconfirmed from Twitter
A member of Strathclyde’s finest has proferred that 9 former RFC* Chairmen/Directors & 5 former managers will shortly be assisting enquiries
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Darn,just as the time limit to investigate David Murray expires.
http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and_insights/rangers_sir_david_murray_resigns_as_chairman/
Stevie bc
I agree with your post, any others over the last few days bemoaning the apparent complicity of clubs. If fans can’t bring themselves to put their own clubs at financial risk, then it’s maybe only a boycott of Scotland games that is left.
The boycott will need to be accompanied by a vociferous campaign to inform the sfa, clubs, and the msm why such a boycott was and is necessary.
The tartan army spokespeople have been very quiet unfortunately, so i doubt that a Scotland boycott would be an easy task.
Many posters have also bemoaned the fact that the Sevco / SFA plan has been relatively succesful so far, and its hard to dispute their logic. Its right that TSFM should continue, but without the impact of legal intervention from somewhere – BDO, police, the courts, UEFA, or even another one of the SFA’s “independent tribunals”, we have probably seen the dark forces victorious.
Note: “independent” tribunals – only as much as the tribunals can make a recommendation or two, but the SFA will not be obliged to act on them, or might not even allow them to complete their work (ask Lord Carloway)
Personally, I’m actually still hopeful that some form of justice will prevail, however I can’t trust our footballing authorities until the clubs remove CO, JB, SR and ND. They are too tainted.
forweonlyknow says
august 23, 2012 @ 22:35
i agree that one club is dictating the agenda
so lets head then off at the pass where “reconstruction” is concerned
we must continue to highlight the issues surrounding sevco and the so called guardians of football in Scotland, but we will be more effective if we frame this within the debate about the wider game, indeed not just the game in Scotland
if we fail to do this we may become marginalized
parttimearab says:
August 23, 2012 at 23:18
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Agreed. I’m confident (from watching RTC’s blog) that this discussion will highlight the problems with the governance of the game … long way to go yet!
All I can say is that the longer TRFC stay out of the top flight, the better the chance that the rest of Scottish football Clubs have to to improve and indeed thrive! 😉
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August 23, 2012 at 22:44
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Naw, he’s still in the frame mate.
Done to death on RTC.
Glasnost, thanks.
I never saw/ read the press release from Our President CO until now. Loved his comment “It is fair to say that over the summer we have endured one of the most difficult periods in the history of Scottish football,”.
Yeah, right Campbell, “we” ?. Who are the “we” ?
Dear Campbell, you could have sorted this out in a minute by resigning your post ! All fans outside of Sevco do not have any trust in you.
If you were a Politician you would not have had any other option but to WALK !.
Instead, you’re now “instructing” on the future reconsruction of OUR National Game ! I quote
“League reconstruction remains the key objective for this year and we have already instructed the SPL and SFL to nominate members for the working group who will be tasked with delivering a solution that will benefit all 42 clubs in senior football and those with ambitions of joining the base of the pyramid.”
The funniest bit is the next comment :
“We will select an independent chairperson who, along other attributes, will provide mediation on the most delicate issues.” – Not happy with this Independant Chairperson.
We demand to know his/ her name !
Seriously, why are you still there Mr Ogilvie ?
My next comment is directed to those 2 “NEWCO’s” who hold the positions as CE’s of The SFA and SPL.
Please apply your rules as laid down ! You’re both beginning to remind me of The Chuckle Brothers !
Yes, by all means have League Re-Construction next year. But I personally think that Clubs without 3 Years of accounts to show should be exempt from SPL 2 until they’ve proven they are above and beyond, remorseful and dignified !
I’d hate to think that the great tradition of Scottish Football was sunk ultimately by “The Chuckle Brothers”.
Mr Reagan, You are the highest custodian, Please Grow a Pair ! You could start by telling CO that he might just have a wee bit conflict of interest, and that it might be time for early retirement ?
Reagan and Doncaster’s reputations are all ready in The Swannee. Anyone think either one will now step up to the plate and be big enough to stand up for “Scottish Football” ?
Nah, didn’t think so !
Time for a complete change in our National Game I think !
It is disgusting that this site has to exist to combat the corrupt guardian’s of our game
It is disgusting that since this whole carry-on started the guardian’s of our game have done everything in thier power to make sure dead club not only stayed on life support but started transplant surgery to make sure they thrived and would come back even stronger.
It is disgusting that not one member of the smsm is willing to tell the truth on what is probably the worst case of sporting corruption in british history maybe even european history.
It is absolutley disgusting that the person who holds the highest office in our game has not been removed.I have heard different journo’s say that Campbell is a true gentleman there is no way he would do anything illegal or corrupt, if this is the case all he has to do is call a presser and answer all question’s and stop people like me believing that he has his dirty finger print’s on every thing that has helped dead club stay alive.I know that all i can do is rant and have no inside knowledge of anything but how much longer are we going to have to put up with this before someone steps in and calls time.What i can do is send email’s on a daily basis to the sfa about what i think of Campbell I dont expect to get replied to or any action to be taken but maybe it just mignt annoy the hell out of one of our guardian’s
LTL glad to see you back missed those links to kds.
We have the power to stop anything we want. We have already scored 2 massive goals, firstly, it is all public knowledge despite everyone envolved attempting to cover it up and work to a secret plan. Secondly, we sussed their plan and blew a hole in it by forcing the div3 scenario. The reconstruction is an attempt to have that goal chalked off for offside. Fans hold the cash, fans hold the power. How about the first home match for every club and the next hampden international are played out in empty stadiums, or maybe the christmas fixtures, a wildcat strike to show the kind of landscape that awaits the game if they dont stop messing us all about, and get this omnishambles sorted out properly. Who do these clowns think they are, i am absolutely sick of everyone of them.
Envolved??????
I seem to recall a Sat morning programme (BBC?) Why don’t you switch off the telly and do something more interesting instead… Rather than Sellout Saturdays, we need Zero Interest Weekends, with complete boycotts of all SPL and SFL matches across the entire fixture lists to get real reform…. Fire away with the TDs, like I care for speaking the truth 🙂
Celtic should win the League at a Canter!
I keep hearing this phrase and I heard it again tonight on SSB on the bits I did catch along with ” I cant believe its not Rangers” panel. Well the point I want to make as a Celtic supporter is that I hope they do not win it at a canter and I’d be willing to accept them not winning it if at the end of the day it improves the product overall in Scotland and creates a better and more interesting league. I recall taking my kids to see Celtic V Hibs at Parkhead and Celtic won 5-1 and while the masses were happy I kept saying to myself I should be on the edge of my seat screaming and shouting and wondering whether being up 1-0 with 15 minutes to go is enough. It reminded me of the time I was in Belfast some 22 years earlier visiting family and my cousin introduced me to a fellow lawyer he bumped into as we were heading home. When he found out I was from Glasgow and a Celtic man he started complaining bitterly about how supporting Celtic was affecting his health to the extent he’d had a mild heart attack whilst attending a game in Glasgow earlier in the year. Celtic were this and Celtic they were that and you never felt comfortable if they were only 1-0 up and that’s why he had a minor heart attack and most people just believed he was drunk, it was a bizarre experience and everything wrong was like my fault. I couldn’t stopping smilling whilst he was so deadly serious about it all. At the end of his almost endless rant I said “my man that’s the way you want it, where is the excitement otherwise”. You want your team to win but you want to know they have been in a battle.
My overall hope is that Celtic are pushed all the way and that they have a great run in the CL and we prove that we do not need a two horse race between Celtic and “I cannot believe it’s not Rangers” for the good of Scottish Football. The bottom line is that has been a disaster for Scottish Football these past few years. Why of why do the boffins at the top feel that getting I cannot believe it’s not Rangers back into the top as quickly as possible is going to be good for Scottish Football. It’s been mooted on this blog and RTC that when your get success your support increases and if teams outwith Glasgow start to win trophies then maybe there will be less buses heading to Glasgow from these areas and more heading to off to see their local team. We also need to see more Scottish talent coming through.
To conclude I was genuinely dissapointed in the results in Europe tonight for Scottish clubs and I thought Hearts put on a great show tonight. How do we start winning in Europe is another question that must be addressed. Does anyone know who our teams performance compares with teams in Scandanavia or former Eastern block countries who leagues and population are similar to ours ?
ps It’s a sham all this bending overall backwards to please one club and at times I feel its all like one of these movies where the hero (that’s us lot on here) is constantly been chased for crimes he didn’t commit and nobody seems to see the truth, everywhere he turns for help he’s double crossed and the establishment is trying to silence him so he heads underground. Maybe there will be a time traveller in the future who can go back and change the course of history fighting against corruption at the SFA and Rangers and save Scottish Football. He will of course be chased by time travellers sent by the establishment to ensure nothing changes. An opportunity for some comedy sketches on this theme me thinks, any takers?
BTW, my cousin was the lawyer no me, just thought I better clarify
The revolution WILL be televised. It will be dissected, held under a powerful microscope, and any hair out of place will be pulverised back into place
This has been the job of RTC and now TSFM – and long long may it continue.
Without you guys THEY would have won. Cheated lied and won.
Because of you guys they have been ridiculed emasculated and taken apart
But it’s not over . No siree. The battle is once again commenced. Their troops at lined up- the sevconians and the corrupted in servitude msm together with the authorities who misgovern this banana republic of ours ….and then theres US.
We will fight them in the papers will will avail them of the truth on the radio we will scalp them in the blogs
We will prevail. We MUST prevail. Cos if we don’t Scottish football dies!
Are you with me?
Without the fan pressure put on clubs throughout the summer, it is a racing certainty that Rangers FC would now be playing SPL football. The pressure US fans put on the clubs forced them to follow rules. The SFL clubs followed suit.
That the SFA have seen fit to break their rules to allow a Phoenix club back into the SFL is the issue that needs addressing. They are answerable to who? Didn’t a vote of no confidence get lodged at the last SFL meeting, yet, here we are with them still around.
Doncaster and Regan can propose reconstruction all they like – the only way it will be accepted is if good people like you and I do nothing.
Edmund Burke – “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
As long as we stand our ground when the time comes, then good will prevail. If not, evil will triumph and Scottish football will die a slow, painful death.
That is why this blog and others like it are so important – it keeps together the community that fought and won battles this summer – a community that will be relied upon again to fight the next battles.
Starofdavid:
Seems you beat me to the rallying call by a few minutes 🙂 Yes – we’re with you, as should the rest of Scottish Football.
Just a thought:
Doncaster has in the past stated that a league larger than 10 teams is not a viabIile option as it would lessen the number of games shown by TV companies. Now if we think of that, then one may come to the conclusion that any change to the league structure would require the SKY deal to be renegotiated. After all it would be for a format that Doncaster stated would be less attractive to them.
It would also be for a different structure to the one they signed up too. Unless of course, a reconstructed league next year, was part of the negotiations for the new deal.
miki67 says:
August 23, 2012 at 19:50
You are a dreamer if you think any football authority is going to do anything at all
UEFA/FIFA/SPL/SFA/SFL – not a chance!
Question – if Sky has the nonsensical 4 Celtic v Rangers NIL/Tribute Band scenario in the contract – how will that work with a 16 team league. Even if they are in the SFL2 and gain promotion (assuming they got into the SPL2 by winning SFL3 and got gerrymandered in) – the SPL1 clubs cannot play 4 times each – so is the scenario to have a 4 team split – if so how will Rangers NIL/Tribute Band ever get to ensure they are in a top 4 slot to ensure Sky TV get their 4 games only allowing for a 2 year abscence…
Or is that clause someone’s imagination?
I watched a good film this morning after Hearts v Liverpool game (it was live in SE Asia) and the film was calle Inside Job – a documentary with Matt Damona s the voice over on the USA bank collapse with Iceland and others involved.
The plot is the same as reality – people in positions of power who got greedy, got caught, escaped with their fortunes and the folks down at the bottom of the food chain paid the price. Even when caught and dragged before Congress these folks still displayed no shame or regret – only the regret of being caught and the party being over. What is more they had people/friends/ex-colleagues all in positions of power to cover up, change rules and deflect blame and consequences from these loveable chaps.
SDM (soon to be Ex-S DM I hope) has not invented this malarky. The blueprint was there already .
I used the fool me once quote the other day.
The Big Banks who were too big to fail have shafted us once. Surely we won’t allow Scotland’s biggest instutition to get away with shafting us the tax payer for 130 million quid – and still come back all shamelessly? And moreover let SDM/CW/CO/CG and all the other folks with their hands in the till robbing Scotland and the rest of the UK blind?
For politicians not to be condemning this is complicit in allowing it to happen.
130 million quid – just to have overpaid players play football to line Martin Bain and SDM’s pockets. All the Bears have are memories and empty pockets – these others have flats in Monaco.
Its insane!
Morning.
I have just made a request to the Ministry of Justice, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 for information on (and I paraphrase):
(a) When did the FTTT conclude between MIH v HMRC re use of EBTs by RFC;
(b) What is the average time taken between the conclusion of a FTTT hearing (the evidence and legal arguement stage) and publication of a decision;
(c) Do the MoJ have any information that suggests when a decision on this matter will be published;
(d) Have any of the parties involved made a request for the decision not to be placed into the public domain;
(e) Do the MoJ have any information which suggests that there will be a delay in placing this decision into the public domain.
I have been careful in the actual wording of the request to ensure that this is valid in terms of section 8 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 i.e. that I seek recorded information held by the MoJ at the time the request was made – and that I am not seeking opinion.
The response should either provide the information or an explanation through application of exemptions and the public interest test (where appropriate) reasons as to why the information cannot be made available. That in itself should inform.
I’ll keep you posted on progress.
Had a great contribution on my blog from a Rangers fan, who made quite a few points, which were back up with facts regarding my blog on Rangers finances. I replied in a full blog post to him here. Feel free to join the debate (one that I do not think should be done on this blog as it will distract from the issues this blog is meant to pursue)
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/therangersdebate/
Since Feb 14th the news has trickled out of Mordor and Hamdump, occasionally we had a gusher,the point is we now know a damned sight more than we did then,without the actions of the Fans of all clubs,the deals would have done between some people at the headquarters of our beautiful game.The corruption is Staggering,these are people who will cling to their positions no matter what.The ONLY way to get them removed is for all of us to lobby our clubs,let them know that we will not allow this to continue.WARN them of the consequences of doing nothing to remove this stain on Scotland.
I have never been a fan of a boycott,but I have to say i’ve changed my mind. Rab has made a suggestion that the fans stay away at the Christmas fixtures,I agree. I have never understood why they play so many games in a short period anyway. Fans of ALL clubs now have the opportunity to influence the decision making,the clubs know what Can happen,they have been warned.There will be no TV money if there are no fans,now that’s power.
The clubs were scared of the Lies told by Regan and Donkey,but they were Feckin’ terrified when the fans threatened not to buy ST’s. Dictators all over the World have been overthrown when the people have had enough,that’s what can happen when people work together.How the Hell can we not get rid of people whose salaries are paid by us,the people.It will be up to our clubs to take action or the Game is Finished,and so are they.So please people,dont give up, find a way to voice your opinion,or your displeasure,but dont go away. Your Country Needs You.
Stevensanph @ 6:50.
Sorry. TD was meant to be a TU.
I’m blaming Scotrail and their bumpy trains.
I cant remember if this was asked or answered on the RTC blog,but im still curious
When White refused/failed to pay HMRC the tax owed for almost a year
Did he also fail to pay the “council rates” for ibrox and MP?
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streetlighting
electricity
if not,why hasn’t the council “turned them off”?
How many “red letters” did oldco receive?
As regards to the “boycott”
we cant really boycott our own teams as that would be a victory for newco
why not boycott the 2 world cup qualifiers at hampden next month and show the SFA that the fans have “the real power”
stevensanph says:
August 24, 2012 at 06:50
Comprehensive, concise and clear statement of reality. Congratulations and thank you.
stevensanph says:
August 24, 2012 at 06:50
Thanks for the rebuttal to the Rangers supporter on the “Daily Record Understands: regarding the fee for Davies Southampton deny that they paid – as long time followers on here and RTC will know, it has been a irritant to me 🙂
Kilgore Trout says:
August 24, 2012 at 07:46
Stevensanph @ 6:50.
Sorry. TD was meant to be a TU.
I’m blaming Scotrail and their bumpy trains.
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You can do a TU to negate your TD….it is magic!
Kindred Spirit 7.50. For me a boycott is the last resort,but we need tough love,our clubs have to know the fans are serious.what would you rather have ,a few bob lost now or the game lost forever?. make no mistake this is the most important time in our football history.If we dont take action now there will soon be nothing left.
The more information that comes out the more the fans are disgusted,if this shambles is allowed to continue it will drive more and more people away.I have seen the best of the game in this country,great teams playing great football,but inaction now will mean the fans of the future will be better of with playstation.
This has all come to a head because of one club’s corruption,but the problems have always been there.
It has been clear for months now that Campbell Ogilvie’s position is no longer tenable. Instead of a resignation, we were treated to him dishing out the medals at the cup final. Shameless and utterly disgraceful.
There should now be a concerted effort by fans of all clubs to remove this man from office. He is the central figure in all of this. Get him out and we will begin to see light at the end of the tunnel.
We have concentrated our outrage on the dog-whistlers while the real malice has been working away quietly in the background, influencing, silencing, enabling, corrupting, threatening, excusing and rule breaking. It really is time for fans to force their boards into action. Christmas is way too late. The time is now.
Ogilvie must go!
Kindred Spirit on August 24, 2012 at 07:50
A sucessful boycot would also highlight the issue to FIFA asthis is a world cup qualifier.
Perhaps a boycot is not the correct approach – some other form of fan / public demonstration – all the fans standing for a minutes silence, banners, leaving early where the majority can express their opinion?
Tic6709
Thanks for the support.
Kindred Spirit.
I dont want any boycotts, but if that is what it takes then i would take the chance. I included the next hampden qualifier in the boycott, and suggested christmas as it gives us time to galvanise and pressure our clubs to hopefully unite and issue a statement that they would support reconstruction only if every club is treated fairly in the process, no sudden promotions for certain clubs. They must not be allowed to include a rider that reconstruction hangs on the fortunes of one club, the plans can still be put in place regardless of where trfc are playing. If the clubs respond favourably, we could call of the boycott.
The Invisible Line @ 8:00
Hurrah!
On the subject of the Teflon coated Mr Ogilvie. Wouldn’t it be just sweet if he was amongst the 9 ex-directors who may soon have some under-oath explaining to do.
Reckon that might see him off.
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Had a great contribution on my blog from a Rangers fan, who made quite a few points, which were back up with facts regarding my blog on Rangers finances. I replied in a full blog post to him here. Feel free to join the debate (one that I do not think should be done on this blog as it will distract from the issues this blog is meant to pursue)
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/therangersdebate/
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Great Q and A stuff Steven. I left a few comments/questions over there.
If I buy Lance Armstrong’s bike does that mean I can keep his titles and history as Lance the person, not the bike will have cheated?
Kindred Spirit says:
August 24, 2012 at 07:50
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As regards to the “boycott” …
… why not boycott the 2 world cup qualifiers at hampden next month and show the SFA that the fans have “the real power”
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I’m sorry, boycotting the national team because of Green’s Sevco-Rangers, whose current fans seem to enjoy any Scottish team losing in Europe, is absurd. Let them wave their union flags and sneer as young Scots lads fight like lions (the way those Hearts and Motherwell boys did yesterday). Sevco Rangers fans are plumbing new depths with their ill-will towards other Scottish clubs.
“Wha will be a traitor knave?” like them?
Rather than boycott why not use the games to protest the leadership? Everyone could give Regan and Co a red card.
Kindred Spirit@07:50
why not boycott the 2 world cup qualifiers at hampden next month and show the SFA that the fans have “the real power”
That would be a tremendous show of solidarity but you are forgetting one thing
As their total silence on the matter has shown, the Tartan Army couldn’t care less about the corruption within the game and the SFA headquarters, as long as they can continue to go on their quarterly boozefests to Hampden or some far flung destination in Europe, that’s all that matters
Show us you REALLY care about the Scottish game Mr Husband
Just saw this story: http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/spl-make-belated-payment-but-clubs-still-short.18670974
I know things may have genuinely been delayed a bit but this seems a bit much (and especially since they don’t seem to be getting the full amount – if they can give part, why not the lot?) are the SPL/Sky in cahoots to create problems for the clubs to encourage the idea that they really, really need Rangers back ASAP?
Or am I just being paranoid – after all they say incompetence is always more likley than conspiracy. (Although I always say why can’t you have an incompetent conspiracy!)
stevensanph says:
August 24, 2012 at 03:26
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Starofdavid:
Seems you beat me to the rallying call by a few minutes Yes – we’re with you, as should the rest of Scottish Football.
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Brainy minds my friend. Proving we are as one in this monumental battle
Keep the faith.
Was there not a meeting of the SPL & SFL clubs yesterday, any reports on what was discussed? any statements? nada, zilch, transparency my erse.
On another note check the SFA website, first banner page, £25 free bet from William Hill, conflict of interest here with Ralph Topping. Yes we know William Hill sponsor the Scottish Cup but do they really pay for advertising on the SFA website and most of all is it right that it is on the website..
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Just saw this story: http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/spl-make-belated-payment-but-clubs-still-short.18670974
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“The money was due at the start of this month but the SPL admitted to a cash flow problem and even told clubs there was no way of knowing when they would receive their funds. The upheaval was due to Rangers being removed from the SPL and the subsequent uncertainty and need to redraw television and sponsorship contracts, especially with Sky and ESPN.”
Are the SPL operating while insolvent??
This is supposed to be the last year of the previous deal, obviously it can’t be as Rangers in SFL3 are now broadcast, what exactly is the deal and why do the Herald not ask?
What amount are the clubs going to receive this season, why is this not known??
If it is as low as 50% why was a deal signed rather than look for a new supplier?
TMWTL says:
August 24, 2012 at 09:20
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Did you miss the fuss during and after the Scotland – Australia match at Easter Road last week?There’ll not be many who attend Scoptland games that don’t support clubs too. Sounds like you don’t like Mr Husband who’s just a guy who happens to go to Scotland games and seems to like being a rentaquote for lazy journalists.
stevensanph says:
August 24, 2012 at 06:50
Good Q&A. I hope we can move on from the “history” question as it is a bit of a red herring. Most Rangers fans will believe in continuity, everyone else won’t.
The scandal of financial doping, the dual contracts & subsequent fielding of ineligible players should rightly be front and centre now.
A prima facie case has been established by a credible law firm and a judge and 2 QCs are going to investigate. The punishment for fielding ineligible players in a competition is very clear and has numerous precedents.
If found guilty the number of titles won by (insert your view on which Rangers company/club here) will have to be reduced.
It will be Scotland’s, probably Britain’s, biggest sporting scandal.
Whoever wants to claim that history is welcome to it.
The guy on SSB last night (Mark)had Delah*nt and Guidi on toast the penny is beggining to drop with regards to Triggers Broom FC but if one or two callers get througj each night eventually the dam will burst and this freak show will be exposed for the rotten stitch up it is.
Ogilvie, Reagan and Doncaster will have to start answering awkward questions about the corrupt way the dead club have been facillitated..keep on phoning intenet bampots they dont like it up them.
Kilgore Trout says:
August 24, 2012 at 07:46
Stevensanph @ 6:50.
Sorry. TD was meant to be a TU.
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Double click on the TD, and it will convert to a TU. And vice versa of course
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chancer67 @ 10:03am
Heard it 🙂 it was wonderful guidi and delah**t were silenced at last and Alex Rae when talking about his EBT really wasn’t sure what to say ….. Diddums It’s the old farts show tonight keevins and dunfermlinD dalziel ……… Should be a laugh if nothing else!!!
The last caller on SSB last night was comparing Rangers to Jaguar, in that Jaguar have changed owners many times but the brand is still the same.
I just Wikied Jaguar, it has been SOLD many times, not the assets, the business as a going concern, the last time to TATA for £1.7 billion pounds.
Thats how much an untarnished brand is worth, unlike Rangers who could not sell the assets for their true value.
blu@10:00
‘There’ll not be many who attend Scoptland games that don’t support clubs too’
That still doesn’t excuse the TA being completely silent on the issue. A proposed boycott of the 1st 2 WC qualifiers at Hampden unless the rules were applied, would have had Reagan in palpitations