Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?


Angus1983 says: March 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm It’s legalese, which is …

Comment on Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed? by bogsdollox.

Angus1983 says:
March 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm

It’s legalese, which is all about interpretation. If a sum of money changing hands is a payment, then there is no expectation whatsoever of it being given back (aside from under the Sale Of Goods Act and similar). For example, your salary at the end of the month.

If there is a “possibility” of repayment – and indeed a structure in place that would facilitate such repayment – then payment of that sum of money could reasonably be interpreted as a loan.
Not only would there be a structure or arrangements in place to facilitate repayment but there would be a pre lending process involving an assessment of risk around the ability to repay, an interest rate, a repayment term, possible security etc. None of that existed, as pointed out by HMRC, the Trustees merely rubber stamped the “lending” and in some cases the players had the cash before the Trustees deliberated.

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Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?
upthehoops says:
March 28, 2014 at 11:51 pm

A challenge in the pub tonight from a very good friend who does not support Celtic or Rangers. His challenge was simply why Aberdeen get much better press than Motherwell. He is not a fan of either club, but I can see where he is coming from, at least in terms of each club’s league performance. Thoughts?
Having lost one of the horses in the two horse race the media are eager to resurrect any form of conflict between clubs. Aberdeen have more financial potential as a one club City to provide a challenge to Celtic in their minds. Of course this is not true financially as they are deep in debt supported only by [Mr]Milne.

Motherwell are now a financially stable West of Scotland club and compete with the OF for fans so cannot be given any positive media exposure by journalists who support, in the main, Rangers or Celtic.

Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?
Danish Pastry says:
March 28, 2014 at 10:50 pm
What was the question?

As far as I can tell both are still in existence. One is doing well and its CEO misses the other one as do many of their fans.

The other isn’t but they have many helpers working to get them back where they belong.Including it seems their mortal enemy.

Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?
neepheid says:
March 28, 2014 at 10:32 pm

Bogs Dollox says:
March 28, 2014 at 10:06 pm

To be fair many Celtic fans do miss the OF fixture and the ex players who took part in them obviously enjoyed what must have been a great occasion so telling Lawell and the Ex Celtic players to shut up isn’t very tolerant.
Some Celtic fans may miss the whole Old Firm thing, but I know that many don’t.
I know some who do and some who don’t. I know some belters that just wish them dead but when asked who will be their next worst enemy they never answer. It doesn’t matter that much but we shouldn’t think this blog is in some way about us all agreeing. That isn’t it’s purpose.

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upthehoops 12th August 2021 At 12:55

Rightly or wrongly (and there is no right or wrong anyway), people IMO will not shell out £600+ on a season ticket knowing half of it goes to clubs who only bring a couple of hundred fans to their ground.

Or in other words, as an Old Firm fan I’m not willing to help finance any improvement in Scottish football because we are fine as we are and have no real interest in creating competition. Diddy clubs with a few hundred fans should be left to rot.

It’s a false assumption. If the entertainment spectacle improved people would want to be there and even if it didn’t they wouldn’t be the best fans in the world if they weren’t there to get right behind their team and cheer them all the way to Hampden.

Here we go again
What the hell has gone wrong at Sellik?
Not seeing a lot about it on here.

Fergus McCann v David Murray
I was looking at the Celtic financials earlier and they seem to confirm my earlier thoughts on this (which I was shot down for in the days of the Thumbs Up/Down on here).

As a reminder, I said that because of such large overheads and dependence on Euro “success” an interuption of income and failure in Europe could create a financial issue. Despite cash reserves of some £28m.

Roll it forward 7 months and the issue is crystalising. Income at Champions League level has gone and Europa League progression looks uncertain. Hospitality, retail sales etc are all down. Player sale income in the period is almost equalled by purchases. The club has increased its debt facility to fill a revenue gap.

Post the accounts year end significant amounts have been spent on new talent in an attempt to secure 10 in a row.

Don’t get me wrong Sevco are no more financially secure than Celtic. In fact they must be struggling too. I will expand more on that later.

So, as tradition demands I have dealt with the two most important clubs in Scotch football first. I just cross my fingers and hope all of the rest survive as best they can.


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Cluster One 26th October 2020 at 21:46

reasonablechap 26th October 2020 at 09:52
I stopped listening to Superscoreboard years ago when DJ said lets wait and see what Ally spends the £10 mill on. After Green announced Ally would get £10 mill to spend in the lower leagues, that was enough delusion for me.

Frank in a matter of fact way used the term, Old Firm. However about a second or two later Frank realised this was a huge mistake for a Celtic fan on live radio and frantically tried to take it back.
Reminds me of a child using a swear word that they have just grown accustomed to hearing. If it is going to get rammed down youth throat as often as possible of course you are going to repeat it now and again.
The serious point being is that there are many Whilst they know they have to utter certain names and try to keep the old firm band wagon going as a general policy…. deep down they know .But if they want to keep a job they have to stick to the prefered script.


For a time I took on the onerous task of listening to Superscrotesboard on behalf of youse all and reporting back the Shugisms and Big Del's amateur PR mutterings.

I lapsed for a time during Lockdown but tonight I listened in and as you say Cluster the policy of slipping in a TRFC reference as part of the general policy into the farrago of assininity that passes for a show broke fresh ground tonight when it was extended to the Quiz. I say quiz but really I mean a test of knowledge for IMBECILES (apologies to any imbeciles on here who just read that last sentence).

One of the questions was:

"Which club has won the League Cup the most times?

It was such an easy one even I got it right. There can only be one answer thought I, it's Celtic. Imagine my surprise when Quizmaster Gordon somebody or other said it was Rangers with 27 wins.

I exclaimed loudly at the radio "That can't be right they've never won anything except the Petrocrap Cup". Alex Rae got the question right.

I should also report on the Rangers fan from Wishaw who called in 6 months late to declare that last season should have been declared "Null and Void". To be fair to Compere/Quizmaster Gordon he did say "goodness me I know the clocks went back at the weekend but I didn't think they went back all the way to March".

That was not enough to deter the Lanarkshire Bluesman who stated that were the League to end early this year and Rangers were top "they" would not call it and give them the title. Paranoia is alive and well in the Covid Age.

More Later I'm sure

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easyJambo 12th October 2020 at 17:19

I don't consider the author's take as being any different from that of RTC and many others who have commented on RFC's responses to HMRC enquiries.

We have also come across the document's author George Turner, several times previously.  He wrote for the Tax Justice Network (TJN) and the Offshore Game. His views have been consistent throughout.


Indeed but my point was more about others on here also making a submission to the enquiry along the same lines but asking why HMRC did not pursue the fraud allegations.

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