Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?

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ECHOBHOY 8:31 am & 8.56 am Thanks for the replies. …

Comment on Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed? by Bryce Curdy.

ECHOBHOY 8:31 am & 8.56 am

Thanks for the replies. I agree with pretty much everything.

The Commission’s remit (paragraph [2]) was based around SPL rule G1.1 which covers all financial and contractual arrangements. Paragraph [10] details ‘Issues for Enquiry into and Determination by the Commission’. All of these issues concern failing to record EBT payments, playing ineligible players, and payments via third parties. There is absolutely no mention of tax arrangements.

My interpretation is that the Commission had to investigate registration and eligibility. The wider remit allowed them to ‘investigate’ whether EBT payments were regular, but they had no obligation and in my opinion would not have been criticised had they chosen not to do so. I agree that for all the reasons you state any ‘investigation’ would have echoed the verdict of the tax tribunural.

You were initially right, and if your main reason was a belief that the Commission would use their wider remit to look at the regularity of EBTs then not only were you right, but you were right for the right reasons, rather than mere hindsight. I was of the majority view that they wouldn’t and question their motivation for doing so.

Your comment about the SPL instructions leads me to another matter that troubles me. I believe I am correct in stating that this was presented as an adversarial exchange: oldco & newco vs the SPL. The desired outcomes are obvious from an oldco & newco perspective, but what was the desired outcome from an SPL perspective? One could argue that individual members and Celtic in particular might have had a desired verdict and penalty, but what outcome best suited the authorities and why?

Regarding McKenzie’s competence, does the buck not stop with him? Was he not in overall charge of the case preparation?

Bryce Curdy Also Commented

Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?
TSFM – I agree that getting at the truth (your words) trumps title stripping and I believe that improved governance in Scottish football is an equally important goal. But the truth you seek is that Rangers cheated Scottish football and cheated society. For me one of the most nauseating episodes in this whole saga was having to listen to the Sevco manager claim that the Decision of the LNS Commission meant that any allegation of cheating had been proven wrong. Rangers gained an unfair sporting advantage through their use of DOS payments and through their use of at least some (the 5 players about whose EBTs they conceded tax was due) and in my opinion all EBTs. Title stripping recognises that cheating took place. Keeping their tainted honours allows McCoist to continue to tell blatant lies.


Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?
We should be careful to remember that it’s not just the DOS payments that were irregular. There are the five players (believed to be Novo, Prso, Rodriguez, Bernard and A N Other) who received EBTs about which Rangers later conceded prior to the FTTT were liable to tax. The payments were equally regular and resulted in an equal sporting advantage, even if their existence is slightly less compromising for the conflicted one. All 4 players are listed in the Annex of the LNS Commission Decision. Why were they not treated differently? Was the Commission aware that Rangers had conceded on the tax status of their EBTs?


Scottish Football: An Honest Game, Honestly Governed?
I’m hoping I will be forgiven for a gratuitous bump, but 1,690 comments early on a Saturday morning was making me slightly uncomfortable.


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