SFM – The Next Steps


Trisidium, not sure if I missed some posts about the …

Comment on SFM – The Next Steps by nawlite.

Trisidium, not sure if I missed some posts about the phone in idea (though I read every day). I saw it suggested and agree it could be progress, but I’m not sure what it is you/we are trying to do with it. As Auldheid hints, there are potential problems and I’m just not clear on what the content might be? I’m probably not thinking it through well enough, but for me there are only a few ways in which a phone in could work –
1. It’s only us on here (or others of similar mindset) who know about it and phone in. We then only have a verbal version of the forum which as you know has been accused in the past of being no more than a talking shop.
2. We try to engage with Rangers fans so as to really become the SCOTTISH football monitor. Auldheid’s fear could come true whereby nothing can be agreed because of the ‘deid/no deid’ viewpoint or the differences between ‘the SFA help TRFC* more than any other club’ vs ‘F*** off, they demoted us and stole our money’. If the aim is to engage wider, can you see us overcoming those problems?
3. As someone suggested, we could talk about the facts (as we see them) in a public manner to educate those who don’t understand and/or the MSM who (probably) know but ignore them. Again, how do we get the uninterested to hear what we are saying and debate it?

I’m sure there are other plans/content, but after a nice tea I’m not up to thinking too well. I’d be glad to hear (even a little) detail of how you see it working. If you’re loathe to for fear of giving strategy away, that’s fine.

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RyanGosling says:

June 19, 2015 at 11:12 pm

Take your point, Ryan, that the fans would obviously be happier if Ashley had lent only Vukcic, but the reality is that he lent them 5 players. So when considering the holistic question “Am I happy that Ashley lent us 5 players”, they refuse to answer Yes (given what Vukcic did for them), because they also want to compartmentalise their abhorrence of Ashley. It’s a bit unfair.

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tcup, you’re completely wrong re the TRFC* fans being willing to accept gifts from Mr Ashley (aka the devil incarnate). Just have a look at their fan sites – you’d be amazed how easy they find it to compartmentalise their dislikes. They might hate Ashley and call him a b*****d for sending them 5 un-medicaled duds just to drain TRFC* of funds, but boy do they love Haris Vukcic because he could play a bit. There is no consistency. It’s as other posters have said about the loan – “that b*****d Ashley taking our badges and property. Pay it back immediately and get our assets back!” but “hang on, it’s interest free and we could use it for players, so let’s keep it”

There’s no consistency of thought so it’s easy to hold two positions at the one time.

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If it’s a gagging order, does that suggest the retail deal is as sh*t as TRFC* have been suggesting?

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