SFM – The Next Steps

As we all know, this site emerged from the ashes of RTC. The wish of the original administrator of the site, one which I wholeheartedly share, was to keep together the wonderful community RTC had built, in terms of both personnel and spirit. There are still many individuals around who were also part of RTC, and regrettably many who are no longer with us. The RTC spirit however, that of a cross-party football site where issues can be discussed in a respectful and insightful manner remains. The “wisdom of the crowd” phenomenon is also with us to perhaps an even greater extent than before, and consequently SFM’s credentials as a formidable alternative to the print media have grown.

In recent times, many contributors have expressed frustration that we are pretty much a talking shop and little else; characterised as “a lot of gum bashing and no teeth”. I think that is fair comment up to a point, but then again our aim – up to now – has been to simply present an alternative view – a view that has increasingly become the fan view as opposed to the industry view (the industry being made up of club officials, players, and press).

In fact the way I see it personally, SFM has evolved to a point where it has become the watchdog (monitor if you will) of an industry which is subject to very little oversight. The Rangers situation will eventually be done with (no laughing at the back please), and like everything else will be consigned to history (albeit more than one). The same self-interest and lack of regard for sporting integrity though will still remain, and the need for oversight will remain also.

Having arrived at those conclusions,  we have two alternatives; the first is to remain as we are (which is not a bad place to be), and the second is that SFM has to expand its role.

In recent weeks, the mods have met to discuss this, and we think that we ought to give the latter option a try. As to how we want to achieve that, and we have come up with a skeleton plan as follows;

1. We need to move into the area of gathering news content as well as commenting on what appears elsewhere;

2. We should act as a cross-club portal to get good fan site content from all clubs to a wider audience;

3. We need to highlight the positives in the game as well as the negatives;

4. We should become an actively campaigning body, aligning with fan groups to lobby for the changes we think important.

 In order to achieve these objectives, more time will need to be spent on communication like podcasts, adding news content, expanding membership and building links with other fan groups. Time will also need to be spent  setting up features, attending press conferences etc. Later in the year, one of the mods will have much more time on his hands to help achieve this.

Podcasts, premium content, labour, organisation and all of the above costs money, and ultimately a subscription based model backed by sponsorship seems to be our best way of achieving that. In order to give us a head start, we will in the next few months be putting together a business-plan and a pitch for Crowd Funding investment.

This is not to say that our existing model has been a failure. We have successfully managed to keep ourselves afloat through the ad-hoc generosity of people in our community, although the inability to keep the podcasts going has been a bit frustrating. Finding income streams which are more solid will allow us to respond to events more quickly (for example mounting an ad campaign to respond to some event or other, or buying new equipment), and hopefully achieve all of our objectives – and build a bigger audience base for our message.

Of course a move of this nature will require that, in the interests of transparency, anonymity of SFM will have to be set aside. That will not affect any of our contributors, and our practice of using (sometimes) imaginative names on the blog will remain. However, for crowd funding to be successful, we will require to have a board in place, and there is no hiding place from Companies House. The make up of the board is also crucial, and in addition to consideration of blog members for that role, we will be looking to have respected people from without.

I imagine there may be a consequent subtle effect on moderation policy to take into account.

The reason I have made this post is to keep the community up to speed with events. Although we have decided to move forward to see if we can get support for our business plan, that plan is by no means finished. As I said earlier, the “wisdom of crowds” has made our community unique and given it its credibility. There’s a lot more wisdom out there we hope to tap into before we go ahead with our initiative.

We already had someone in mind for chairman of the new board, but events have conspired tragically to rob us of that – and had the effect of postponing this announcement. However we would like to hear suggestions for suitable outside candidates for board and committee places.

We also want to hear from you if you have a suggestion to be added to our wish list of SFM function above – or even if you think it is a mistake to embark on this course.

This is a very big move for SFM, so we don’t want to rush into anything. We need to listen to what you folks have to say, because if the merging SFM is not considered a better SFM by our community there is very little point in looking to fund it.

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3,023 thoughts on “SFM – The Next Steps


  1. RyanGosling says:
    Member: (155 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:17 am
    Resin_lab_dog (and others),

    =============================

    Ryan, in your position it must be incredibly difficult to stomach watching or discussing football at all.

    But I do wonder at what point will Rangers fans free themselves from this seemingly endless tortuous and painful (for the fans) farce.

    Freedom from all of that angst might be found by Rangers fans looking back for a moment on the events of 3 years ago and indeed the decisions of the club that brought them to that point – and then arriving at some new understanding of where they are now:

    1. Rangers as it was ceased to exist when they were liquidated. Sad, horrible and painful as it was for the fans.

    2. There WAS an opportunity to form a new club, with the same name and colours and the best of the ethos of the old club. To rebuild it sensibly from the bottom up and so on. But that opportunity was not grasped and has now passed, the attempt to insist on continuation of both history and the elite status of the old club has been central to the downfall of this new club.

    3. This new club is not Rangers, putting aside all the baggage some will associate with the old club, I know that many Rangers fans did see past that and believe they had a club to be proud of in many ways. But can any of them honestly say this new club carries one iota of the substance of the old? Nothing worth holding on to that I can see.

    This new Rangers is not and never will be Rangers. Rangers cannot be recreated.

    The only healthy options I suspect are to accept that reality and then either build a new club in shape those fans desire, find a different club to support and fall in love with football again or simply give up on football altogether.

    I hope the decent fans do not chose the last option, although I think the pain they feel may push them to consider that.

    All it takes is a handful of honest hard working Rangers fans to make the first steps in forming a new club and I suspect many would chose to follow them.

    Either way, surely some fans will eventually make some realisation and move on, leaving the pain and angst in the past.


  2. I heard the Chairman of Rangers First being interviewed on Radio Clyde last night. Yet again a fans spokesman was given a media platform to make completely unchallenged statements, bordering on arrogance at times. Very disappointing no one in the studio challenged his quite ludicrous assertion that next seasons Championship will be better than the Premiership. When the media stop deferring to Rangers fans then other fans may find some sympathy for the sufferings those Rangers fans are going through. The media indulging the view that everything Rangers is superior to everything else will only fuel a sometimes bitter divide between fans of Rangers and fans of other clubs.

    Let’s be perfectly honest here. The misguided view of Rangers supremacy comes from an era where being a Rangers fan among other things opened doors that were closed to others. There is simply no place for such attitudes in 2015.


  3. Not seen any comment on this from the BDO report….

    HMRC were granted leave to appeal in the Court of Session in Scotland in respect of the UTT
    decision and this matter will be heard over a four day period commencing on 7 July 2015.
    No date has yet been set for matters referred back to the FTT.

    Are John Clark and the TSFM intrepid court reporters arranging attendance at this.

    Buddy


  4. Ryan,

    I recognise the struggles you have in many of my friends and family in the on-going mess at Ibrox.

    One key item i find when the Dave King is like McCann, is that McCann had a plan and said plan swung into action very quickly on his gain of control.

    The crux of the current shambles at Ibrox is that in the three months since Dave King, Paul Murray, John Gilligan and the 3 bears took over RIFC there has been no visible plan and no strategy or action and a complete lack of leadership.

    The “letter” from king released on thursday night was cringe worthy as a plea for charity.

    I still find the ibrox shambles an intriguing watch.

    The important part for me is to remain vigilant that the ibrox shambles does not do preventable collateral damage to the rest of scottish football.

    Buddy


  5. At the end of my last post I used “their” instead of “they’re”. That was truly appalling and I’d like to publicly apologise and beg forgiveness for this most heinous of grammatical crimes.

    Sincerely sorry,

    RyanGosling

    SFM Grammar police have sorted it Ryan 🙂
    Tris


  6. RyanGosling says:
    Member: (156 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 12:25 pm
    ‘.. beg forgiveness for this most heinous of grammatical crimes. ‘
    ____________

    No need to apologise, Ryan: we’ve all been their! 🙂


  7. RyanGosling says:
    Member: (156 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 12:25 pm
    ‘.. beg forgiveness for this most heinous of grammatical crimes. ‘
    ——————————

    Your forgiven 🙂


  8. buddy_holly says:
    Member: (7 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 12:15 pm
    ‘..Are John Clark and the TSFM intrepid court reporters arranging attendance at this.’
    ______________
    Sharpening my pencil right now!
    Grateful to you for that post: I’ve been having problems with the old pc and it’s a bit of a drag trying to keep right up to the mark.I wouls have missed that date, I think.
    Going out this pm to have a look at new lap-tops and thingies.


  9. easyjambo – that company name will be such as those were the names of the two clubs before the merger. It is a common misconception that there was a club called Inverness Caley or Caledonian, it was simply Caledonian FC.


  10. Plenty shops for laptops JC but you’ll find the internet is better for thingies!


  11. TheClumpany says:
    Member: (64 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 12:41 pm

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    Perhaps DK dodged the meeting because he was advised that he may be questioned on the following?

    •where were you when Chuck Green was looking for ‘co-investors ‘?
    •given that you organised a boycott (along with Richard Gough) of the Season Tickets last year, which led to the old board having to go cap in hand to HBM, why did you not offer a loan?
    •why have you not appointed a manager?
    • where is the money?


  12. Are we still doing Chapeau’s ?

    Ryan deserves one for his post on King. I suspect many of us reach for the Ribera del Duero ( or equivalent ) when our club has a bad day. Social Media is given a body swerve , apart from those with an overwhelming desire to vent

    “Walk a mile in my shoes “. Despite having plenty of Rangers supporting pals , I find it hard to imagine how tough it must have been for a Rangers supporter in recent years.

    So contributing in a forum like this has to be applauded, and despite previous spats , I applaud Ryan & any bluenose who has the courage to contribute positively to the debate ( although I feel a little like Corleone giving Barzini a hug)

    There are individuals at any club who are instantly dislikable to opposition supporters. At my club we have had our share , but mostly because they have been uber competitive , kick their granny for an advantage types. Rangers though has been different. They have some great players and some granny kickers .

    The difference though is that they attract publicity seeking shysters ,with a superiority and entitlement complex , to the boardroom. Obnoxious individuals like Dingwall , Graham and latterly the Sons of Struth guys , are not the voice of the Rangers supporters I know . They have however leveraged their way to prominence through idiotic amateur stunts which are tabloid fodder.

    Fergus helped Celtic reclaim our club, Ann Budge is doing similar at Hearts and Jim Leishman is a selfless hero for Dunfermline. Rangers need to dispense with the criminals, the self obsessed and the chocolate fire guards. The starting point should be with those who recognise and are prepared to admit previous behaviours as being nothing short of scandalous


  13. Burke says:
    June 13, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    In answer to my own question: http://news.stv.tv/west-central/105219-rangers-crisis-dave-kings-statement-on-green-takeover-in-full/
    ——————————————–
    Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

    “Any offer should demonstrate the capacity to…invest in the club going forward…be supported by the requisite business skills…why the lack of transparency?…Mr Green intends to repeat Mr Whyte’s strategy of using season ticket sales to fund the club. This would put fans back in the position of funding the club without owning it…” all tied up with a call to boycott season ticket sales in protest at the above sins!

    It’s like 2012 King has a valid criticism of everything that 2015 King is doing.


  14. Couple of questions for the SFM masses.

    Is there a Celtic fans spokesman who the press go to?(similar to Chris Graham,Craig Houston etc etc)

    Are the any openly Celtic supporting journalists in the SMSM?

    Loads of Aberdeen supporting media likes of Richard Gordon,Derek Rae,Michael Grant….etc

    Just a couple of things that came up in the pub last night


  15. Bill1903 says:
    Member: (69 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    Are the any openly Celtic supporting journalists in the SMSM?

    Loads of Aberdeen supporting media likes of Richard Gordon,Derek Rae,Michael Grant….etc

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    You forgot to mention St Mirren’s proud representative.


  16. Bill1903

    The only Celtic supporting journalist I can think of is Kevin McKenna


  17. Seems like to be a successful journalist in the central belt you need to support the team from Govan ( although it’s permissible to have another team like St Mirren,Well etc) 😉


  18. Mr Friel of the Sun comes from a Celtic background I have never seen the Sun so cannot comment on his statements


  19. Kevin was also editor of the Celtic View at one time.


  20. RyanGosling says:
    Member: (156 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:17 am
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    Ryan

    Good post. And fair play to you.

    A welcome (and important) reminder that there are fans of the Ibrox outfit who simply want to be able to watch the football (and hopefully win everything in sight(!)), but on the back of a sensible sustainable plan. And with some honestly and transparency from those in the boardroom.

    Far too often we see and hear swaggering bluster from the fan leaders and boardroom. It is a real ‘turn-off’, and certain not to generate any sympathy from the rest of Scottish football.

    It also increasingly looks like it is pissing off the club’s own customer base. Which is potentially disastrous.

    I will look out for your future posts!


  21. The Clumpany,

    Yesterday I C&P’d a post from a message board re: King 2012 and King’s begging letter on 11th June about his father’s sporting allegiance to RFC. I was unable to acknowledge the source of the post. It was only afterwards I discovered it came from your blog. My apologies – and well done for your research!


  22. RyanGosling says:
    Member: (156 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:17 am

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    I think there is still good ways forward for Ibrox fans.
    The way has been shown.
    Put your house in order, quietly. Like Hearts did.
    Expect setbacks and obstacles, like Hearts did.
    And above all know, that all that you are ‘entitled to’ is what you earn for yourselves, like Caley did.
    And also know that you are not even guaranteed that much. Complaining about it won’t help you there. Getting on with it might.

    The only good way forward I see for Ibrox fans is a clear break with the past. Because it is that past that is holding you back and sucking you back into the mire at every turn.

    Yes, it is your history.
    But history – Good and bad – has its place. It belongs in the past.

    Anyone trying to sell you anything on the back of that history is a conman.
    A spiv. A charlatan.
    This should by now be as easy for the bears to spot as it was to the rest of us from the get go!. (Its no wonder they have been lining up for the gig – you make it far too easy for them!)

    You bears should be concerning yourselves only with the reality of the situation you find yourselves in today. And you should be concerning yourselves with the future, and never ever looking backwards.

    Realistic and achieveable goals are needed.
    Identify problems, instead of hiding them. Then Fix those problems. This will involve making wise sacrifices – not necessarily just financial: cultural and behavioral as well. Do so.
    And I would say that BOTH MASH and DCK come into that problem category. BOTH need to be dealt with one way or another. Not necessarily at the same time imo.

    Anticipate future problems, and put contingencies in place.

    If you haven’t got the money to do what needs to be done to fix your club that is OK, but you will need alot of time to do it instead. Decades possibly. Accept that.

    If you haven’t got time to do it, that is OK too, but you will need to find alot of money (£30m and both Mash and King are gone). Find it, or accept that it is going to take time and sacrifice instead.

    But the way you are heading now, you are sure to run out of both time and money.

    The disgraceful sense of entitlement displayed by the Ibrox institution and typified by the current incumbents of the blue room is as sickening to the rest of us as it is destructive to your footballing dream.

    It really is.
    Lose it.
    You can only gain by doing so.

    Nevermind “Back to where we belong!” – because the fact is you ARE right where you belong bears. Neck deep in where you belong, no less. Your mess. Your making.

    Instead Try
    “Forward. To Boldly go where no bear has gone before”… There is some hope with that approach.


  23. jimlarkin says:
    Member: (316 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Causaludendi and Resin_lab_dog

    …apologies are offered to you both…

    _____________________________________________

    Apology unnecessary, Jim.

    This is simply one of those areas where it is too easy for unintentional offence to be either given or taken, and your innocence is assumed.

    The merger was not without its dissenters and understandably many fans from one or other side retain strong feeling either way, and still express them to this day.

    Personally, I use ICT normally, but ‘Caley’ quite often, simply because it rolls easily off the tongue, and not on the basis of any historical rivalry or point scoring attempt.

    Moreover, whenever in the company of the small element of former Inverness Thistle fans who are still inclined to take umbrage at this particular epithet, I am more than happy to indulge them on this point, and use a name that they are more comfortable with, whenever challenged. Because I really see no reason to needlessly upset fellow fans of my club over such hair splitting semantics.

    Notwithstanding, the formal club line is that all the epithets used are officially acceptable, and therefore I see no such need to be so guarded outwith those narrow situations.


  24. Not sure how to post this, but the phrase about “walking a mile in someone else’s shoes” makes me think about what if all this Rangers stuff had happened to Celtic.

    Although I understand what liquidation means legally and Rangers are a new club, I feel we are a bit mean to not allow Rangers fans a sense of history. It’s not always a history I would feel proud of – you know what I mean – but in terms of achievements over the years, and certain players, if it was me, I would want to hold on to that.

    If the same happened to Celtic (DG Fergus) I would go ballistic if anyone said Celtic did not win the European Cup in 1967 regardless of liquidation. If they play from Parkhead and wear Green and White Hoops – they’re CELTIC.

    Lets face it, none of us knew what was going on about EBTs and the BOS funding of Rangers until RTC exposed everything, bears can’t be blamed for supporting their team in those heady years and thinking SDM was a god. Personally, again thinking what a bear would feel right now, I would demand that his title was stripped from him. He was a disgrace to Scottish Business, and especially Rangers.

    .


  25. Good result if not good performance by Scotland today, leave the Irish in our wake.
    Strachan obviously indulging in humour when describing the ref as excellent for letting the game flow. More appropriately the blood flow. I thought Ireland were a dirty team at Celtic park last time. they surpassed it and more in this one. Very lucky to keep 11 on the park. Oh and how offside do you need to be. A whole new standard for linesmen. Luckily S Brown kept the heid. I know I wouldn’t.


  26. jimbo says:
    Member: (7 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 8:22 pm

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    I don’t think anyone seeks to deny the bears their History jimbo.
    That would be daft.
    Rangers won the titles laid claim to.
    Many of them were won honestly.
    Facts are facts.
    The same bears cheered them on then, as cheer on TRFC now.
    They as fans have a history in common to both clubs.

    What I WOULD deny them is any pretence of CONTINUITY however.

    That they are wont to indulge in in such revisionist fantasy is sad for them, embarassing for Scottish football, and ultimately – as we are seeing – unhelpful to the bears themselves in the longer run.

    The club was liquidated.
    They had to start over again.
    There was a hiatus.
    They are a new entity.
    They can wave a proprietorial glove over the accomplishments of the Ibrox club pre 2012, in the same way as ICT can lay claim to the DNA of Inverness Thistle and Caledonian Thistle.

    They can even claim to be supporters of both RFC(NIL) and TRFC simultaneously.

    But they cannot legitimately claim RFC(NIL) to BE the same club as TRFC in the same way that ICT is neither Inverness Thistle, nor Caledonian Thistle.

    And in the same way as ICT can aspire to exceed the accomplishments of both IT and CT, the new club can and should aspire to exceed the achievements of RFC(NIL), not least because of the wrongdoing that club engaged in and how badly that ended for them.

    I say this not out of malice, but out of a respect for facts.

    Indulging fantasies to the contrary helps no one.
    Least of all the bears in their aim to avoid repeating the mistakes of history.

    But it also insults those clubs that took the harder route to success by paying their bills as they fell due, and it disrespects most of all those who were honest, and yet were denied success, because Rangers instead achieved it off the back of spending other people money without their consent.

    How can you ever expect to learn lessons from something when you pretend it never happened?


  27. jimbo says:
    Member: (7 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 8:22 pm
    Not sure how to post this, but the phrase about “walking a mile in someone else’s shoes” makes me think about what if all this Rangers stuff had happened to Celtic.

    Although I understand what liquidation means legally and Rangers are a new club, I feel we are a bit mean to not allow Rangers fans a sense of history. It’s not always a history I would feel proud of – you know what I mean – but in terms of achievements over the years, and certain players, if it was me, I would want to hold on to that.

    If the same happened to Celtic (DG Fergus) I would go ballistic if anyone said Celtic did not win the European Cup in 1967 regardless of liquidation. If they play from Parkhead and wear Green and White Hoops – they’re CELTIC.

    Lets face it, none of us knew what was going on about EBTs and the BOS funding of Rangers until RTC exposed everything, bears can’t be blamed for supporting their team in those heady years and thinking SDM was a god. Personally, again thinking what a bear would feel right now, I would demand that his title was stripped from him. He was a disgrace to Scottish Business, and especially Rangers.

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    Interesting point of discussion Jimbo.

    I have to say if my club met the same fate and a replacement behaved in the same way I would not defend the replacement or feel it hard earned a single moment of my loyalty. No way, not in my name.

    I think I’d probably find football difficult to follow but suspect within a year or tow might find a new love for whatever alternative local team was available.

    No one can take away the history of any club of course but for a new club to claim another’s history is disingenuous and ultimately a very damaging falsehood for any new club to create.


  28. Oh well that went down like a brick! Can’t really argue with Resin, I agree with most of it. I was only trying to approach from a diff. angle – from the ordinary bears fans perspective and folk like Ivan who must feel very alone on here at times, he needs our support.’ I have several Rangers fans in my life and in football I wouldn’t swap them places for anything, but still good guys. They keep a brave face on. Not a bigot amongst them (mind you, have never been to Ibrox with them! Maybe 90 min. bigots LOL)

    There’s a bloke on ja606 ‘Ivan’ who is a DUutd supporter, and when we signed GMS & SA in January he was so dejected I was just about in tears, even although I was delighted to have them at Celtic.

    Think I might be getting a bit soft.


  29. Why didn’t fans simply say enough is enough? Why not band together like MU fans and form their own club?
    Why didn’t rangers fans take control of their own destiny and make an offer to SDM for their own club?

    The SMSM insist on the need for a ‘bilionaire’ a ‘warchest’ ‘marquee signings’ ‘Real Rangers Men’ ‘Rightful Returns’ &’back where we belong’

    The fact is that people have tried to force their own perspective, against the experience of everyone else, as the received truth.

    Rangers as a force in football are finished. The only role they have from now on is to be the Dad’s Army, has beens reminiscing about that which never happened.


  30. Burke 👿 My dad was in dads army!!! He was a coal miner so a reserved occupation. Tried several times to join up but turned down. Still wore a uniform and had a gun.


  31. There have been some perfectly reasonable points made above, but I’d like to just point out one more time (I know I have a tendency to harp on about this!) but the majority if not all of Rangers fans I know are not taken in by the obvious spin of the press, are not taken in by the bluster of the charlatans and are certainly not represented on the likes of Rangers media. They’re fans who like to go to games and don’t spend all their time on forums. The articles posted here regularly from Rangers sites, usually articles of the more extreme variety, are simply not representative of the views of Rangers fans I know.

    There are regularly comments made here such as “are the Bears finally waking up” – possibly such comments are directed specifically at the Rangers Media type guys, but most of the guys I know have been very aware of what’s been going on for some time. I mean as far back as Murray, when there was a lot of frustration with the way the club was run. Not as far back as the likes of the Advocaat years I’d hasten to add, none of us were particularly bothered about anything at that point as life was just so good…little did we know. I’m not claiming we’ve been self aware forever, just please don’t think we are all taken in by everything presented in the press.

    One final thing I’d like to add in terms of accusations (valid ones) that we make it easy for the charlatans. We do, and have, I know that, but what people need to realise is that while some of this is gullibility a lot of it is due to the need to show “loyalty” to the club. For a generation of fans who never knew any hardship for Rangers and thought all was rosy, this is an unpleasant new reality and a sizeable proportion of Rangers fans (I’d wager) are torn between wanting to be loyal to Rangers (for example will always buy a ticket no matter what) and wanting to cut off revenue to whatever revenue siphon happens to occupy the boardroom on a given day. It’s not easy.

    As for continuity of history, liquidation, dead…Na, I can’t be bothered going anywhere near that tonight!!

    P.S. If it was nil nil at halftime and Ireland had been down to ten men (which should have been the case in my view!), we might have managed more than a draw tonight, which is still not a bad result.


  32. Burke says:
    Member: (3 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 9:43 pm
    ‘..The fact is that people have tried to force their own perspective, against the experience of everyone else, as the received truth..’
    _______
    Among those folk, of course, are our very own Regan and Doncaster, the very people who should have insisted that Sporting Integrity comes before kow-towing to deluded Knights of the Realm, the SMSM, KJ-endorsed ‘wealth off the radar’ Lanarkshire nobodies, and Yorkshire charlatans, and so on…and on….and again on.
    The shameful failure of a once mighty club is not the main story.
    No, it is the fact that the Scottish Football authorities themselves failed in their duty to uphold Sporting Integrity by their readiness to accept the word of a cheating Knight of the Realm in spite of an awareness ,from personal experience, that the finances at RFC were not what they were claimed to be, and by their readiness to sign away the soul of Sport when they signed the infamous 5-way agreement with charlatans and dodgy Administrators.
    RTC alerted us to the fact that not only were RFC in trouble long before the tax-man hit, but that people in the SFA knew and tried to cover up.And not one sodding SMSM ‘journalist’ had the gumption and integrity to refuse the succulent lamb.


  33. jimbo says:
    Member: (10 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 10:18 pm
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    I meant the Perry/Croft portrayal of characters who had for various reasons, avoided conflict yet lived on theit experience of empire as a confirmation of their predestined victory.


  34. Some housekeeping announcements;

    1. The pilot phone-in programme will hopefully take place (availability of guests allowing) on Tuesday at 7.30. It will feature host Big Pink, Campbellsmoney, Auldheid and AllyJambo. The programme will only be accessible to logged in registered users of the site, and details of times, how to access the programme and so on will be posted tomorrow.

    2. There have been some developments on our thinking as we move toward our new expanded functionality and the funding model underpinning it. I will update the funding page tomorrow.

    3. Not unrelated to (2) above, we will (also this week) begin an ad experiment on the blog. We will try out Amazon and Google AdSense. Obviously we make more revenue if the Google ads are clicked, and from any Amazon purchases made after clicking through to their site from SFM.
    Feedback on that is important, so we hope to hear from you. We had hoped to raise some sponsors – particularly for the radio style programmes, but I think the content will have to come first.


  35. jimlarkin says:
    Member: (316 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:22 am
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    Nae worries big man, just like to see my name in lights noo ‘n’ again (& was curious as to your intentions 😉 )

    Resin; apologies on behalf of my spellcheck, think it’s California based…

    😆


  36. There is a certain argument that some pundits push regarding small countries having no chance of success in international football. It’s been used to play down Scotland’s chances of ever achieving anything, ever — “Too small, too poor, bad weather, few facilities, diddy leagues, what chance has Scotland got?”

    Last night Iceland & Faroe Islands surely put this nonsense to bed once and for all. A combined population of 350,000 for both countries and they see off Czech Republic & Greece! Icelandic result maybe not too much of a surprise given recent form, but the Faroes with a pop. of 50,000! They’ve now beaten Greece home and away.

    Lots on the international eligibility debate still in the media. Thinking about it I realised my own kids could actually qualify for Denmark, Iceland, Norway or Scotland. Best bit on Sportsound yesterday was a fantastic interview with Ikechi Anja about his reasons for choosing Scotland. Heartwarming stuff.


  37. RyanGosling says:
    Member: (157 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:30 pm
    There have been some perfectly reasonable points made above, but I’d like to just point out one more time (I know I have a tendency to harp on about this!) but the majority if not all of Rangers fans I know are not taken in by the obvious spin of the press, are not taken in by the bluster of the charlatans and are certainly not represented on the likes of Rangers media. They’re fans who like to go to games and don’t spend all their time on forums. The articles posted here regularly from Rangers sites, usually articles of the more extreme variety, are simply not representative of the views of Rangers fans I know.
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    Interesting Ryan, and you are in more of a position to comment than many of us. It’s just a pity everyone who puts themselves forward as a Rangers fans spokesman come from one particular camp. Even more of a pity that the media hand them a free platform and never challenge some of the highly dubious statements they make.


  38. Ryan, the big problem at Ibrox is that the fan base are desperate to ‘keep up appearances’ at a level never previously known.

    They wont concede an inch. It’s ‘No, no, no!’ ‘ Never, never, ever!’ Ruling this and that and ‘No Surrender!’

    Whilst this mentality prevails, the natural result will always be exploitation… in other words they are fecked, and will continue to be.

    The mindset has to change. HAS to change!

    If nothing changes… well, nothing changes.


  39. A bluenose said to me that it feels like hell this past while. I said that the bad news is that there’s still a while to go in Purgatory first before they even get to Hell. Mon the Hades! javascript:grin(‘:evil:’)


  40. Are King & co as blinkered as everyone now sees them, in their search for a manager the guy they had temp in the role sits on the bench as an assistant to the Scotland Manager in an ever improving team,developing talent over a foreseeable future with some good talent on the back burner,what an advantage to any club looking for a coach to have someone looking for a club,but obviously not a certain championship club.


  41. jimbo says:
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    June 13, 2015 at 4:24 pm
    Here’s a good article of Kevin McKenna
    http://www.allmediascotland.com/press-news/36858/kevin-mckenna-rangers-the-mainstream-media-and-blogs/
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    Personally I don’t think it is a good article. His defence of the media only going after a good story does not explain why there was a picture of a hearse outside Celtic Park, or why Fergus McCann was demonised by comparing him to Saddam Hussein. I could go on forever but the Scottish establishment, of which the media are part, in my opinion have an inherent bias towards Rangers. For anyone who doubts this, ask themselves why Rangers blatant sectarianism for years was effectively given a blessing by the media/establishment, save for one or two notable voices.

    I have long held the view that Rangers will only ever be treated the same as everyone else if football goes through a wider, cross border fundamental change. I’m guessing such a change is not around the corner so the Scottish establishment will continue to protect their club over all others. There simply wouldn’t be a Rangers if that was not the case. Just ask any fan of the former Third Lanark or Gretna and they will confirm that. If there was no inherent bias towards Rangers, there would be no Rangers in the senior leagues, no matter how many people were left crestfallen by it.


  42. Danish Pastry says:
    June 14, 2015 at 7:09 am

    Thinking about it I realised my own kids could actually qualify for Denmark, Iceland, Norway or Scotland.
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    Maybe you need to be checking out eligibility to see if the Pastry minors can play for the mighty Faroes Danish!


  43. Can’t let that one pass! In David begg stylie…

    And choux knocks it up the wing to Apple who squares it to shortcrust the wee midfield battler that he is. He spreads it wide as puff (you never were too sure about him) minces up the wing. He crosses it, it’s a stramash and vol au vont gets the touch the lucky wee continental that he is.


  44. Mr D C King recently told a press conference that he had absolutely no idea who Mark Wotte was. Incredible to think that the man was, as recently a 4 weeks ago, in serious talks with DCK’s acting CEO about how best to run TRFC. Is it remotely possible that Paul Murray held talks with Mr Wotte without DCK even knowing about them? Or is it more plausible that DCK just forgot?


  45. Back in the early nineties when Celtic FC were at the very edge of a financial cliff certain parties, galvanised by the love of their club, got together to form a fans group in order to help save the Club. The Internet was still a few years away so, in the main, the fans had to rely on the SMSM for most of its information. As luck would have it, the MSM in Scotland had needed, in my opinion, no encouragement to ‘attack’ every statement that emanated from the Celtic FC old board. Their willingness to savage Celtic with their gleeful reporting of the issues was ultimately very beneficial to the fan groups as the moonbeams and misguided promises were shown up for what they were. The treatment Fergus McCann received from the same MSM when it became apparent that he was in fact a true saviour is for another day. Anyway, I just cannot help but think that if the SMSM of today had torn to shred all the nonsensical statements from TRFC Board and Fan Representatives then there may have been a different TRFC playing in Scotland today. It is beyond question that the willingness to embrace all that is told them and to print without question was instrumental in the demise of the Old Club and will be the same for the current entity playing at Ibrox Park today.


  46. Was the setup for the recent EGM at Ibrox the same as last years AGM, i.e, a tent on the playing field?


  47. RyanGosling says:
    Member: (157 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:30 pm
    There have been some perfectly reasonable points made above, but I’d like to just point out one more time (I know I have a tendency to harp on about this!) but the majority if not all of Rangers fans I know are not taken in by the obvious spin of the press, are not taken in by the bluster of the charlatans and are certainly not represented on the likes of Rangers media. They’re fans who like to go to games and don’t spend all their time on forums. The articles posted here regularly from Rangers sites, usually articles of the more extreme variety, are simply not representative of the views of Rangers fans I know.

    There are regularly comments made here such as “are the Bears finally waking up” – possibly such comments are directed specifically at the Rangers Media type guys, but most of the guys I know have been very aware of what’s been going on for some time. I mean as far back as Murray, when there was a lot of frustration with the way the club was run. Not as far back as the likes of the Advocaat years I’d hasten to add, none of us were particularly bothered about anything at that point as life was just so good…little did we know. I’m not claiming we’ve been self aware forever, just please don’t think we are all taken in by everything presented in the press.

    One final thing I’d like to add in terms of accusations (valid ones) that we make it easy for the charlatans. We do, and have, I know that, but what people need to realise is that while some of this is gullibility a lot of it is due to the need to show “loyalty” to the club. For a generation of fans who never knew any hardship for Rangers and thought all was rosy, this is an unpleasant new reality and a sizeable proportion of Rangers fans (I’d wager) are torn between wanting to be loyal to Rangers (for example will always buy a ticket no matter what) and wanting to cut off revenue to whatever revenue siphon happens to occupy the boardroom on a given day. It’s not easy.

    As for continuity of history, liquidation, dead…Na, I can’t be bothered going anywhere near that tonight!!

    P.S. If it was nil nil at halftime and Ireland had been down to ten men (which should have been the case in my view!), we might have managed more than a draw tonight, which is still not a bad result.

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    You make an excellent point regarding Fans sites being unrepresentative of the general attitudes of fans of a club. I agree and I think this applies to fans of Rangers just as much as to fans of any other club. Fan sites are filled with extreme views for various reasons.

    On your second point about loyalty I can understand that but this is exactly the sort of thinking that I suggest is destroying the hopes of Rangers fans.

    Remain proud of the achievements of Rangers, yes. But I suggest real Rangers fans would not support this replacement club out of blind loyalty, peer pressure, guilt or anything else. Its desperate stuff.

    If Rangers fans can open their eyes and see the new club is not the club they loved and feel proud of then they will be free to think and plan how to build a fan driven club in the image of the old, with all the best bits that the fans want carried forward.

    Or free to find another club and just follow football for the football again.

    The freedom this realisation would give could be a huge relief and even an exhilarating change for those involved.


  48. Despite all the usual fools blustering and spouting nonsense, it is clear that there is a growing number of Rangers fans that are wakening up to the grim reality of their predicament.

    Dave King is not the saviour he proclaimed himself to be.

    Mike Ashley is a vampire parasite who will constantly bleed Rangers, limiting their potential for growth and acting like a ball and chain on “the journey”.

    The RRM do not have enough money to buy out MA or any of the other chancers dining out on the onorous contracts.

    MA is operating an already establish MO. He controls all the income streams he needs and has enough influence on the boardroom to ensure that the club does what he wants it to do – make money for him.

    And that is one of the crucial points in the story (I think). MA wants to make money. He will only put in enough time, effort and resources to maximise his return. If that means mid-table or second division, so be it. He is counting notes, not trophies.

    MA does not want the club to die. He wants to milk it for as much as he can for as long as he can. He would, however, terminate it within a heartbeat if he thought he would be made to look weak or foolish on a business front. Big Mike is a brand that he really does care about.

    DCK and co have donned the Brogues and Blazers, climbed the Marble Staircase and opended the door to the Blue Room – all the trappings of Dignity and Rangersness.

    Only it is a mirage. It is not the club of the tainted SDM “glory days” and it is certainly not the club of the pre-SDM overtly sectarian days either.

    It is a hollowed out husk, a zombie club. Anything of real value has been taken and they have been left with barely enough to keep the ship afloat.

    They can pour their own hard-earned cash into it if they like. They can pour other people’s hard-earned cash into it if they can find sufficiently gullible fools.

    MA and co are always going to be the first in the queue to get their cut.

    Any growth is going to cost much more or be much slower thanks to the vampires sooking away at every artery.

    How many RRM are going to squander their kids’ inheritance like this, knowing they are giving it away to MA and others?

    Rangers fans really are in purgatory.

    They do not have the money to buy out anyone. More importantly, they have been blindsided into believing that this incarnation of Rangers is one and the same as the original. This is the second crucial point in the story.

    It is no coincidence that MA has chosen to make money out of Rangers and Newcastle. Both have legions of fanatic supporters who have a long history of buying into the brand. Both were financial basket cases that Mike could get control of for a song. And both can be bled indefinitely by preying upon fans loyalty.

    I wonder if it will come out in the end that Messers Green and Whyte were effectively fronts for Big Mike. How early was he involved?

    Rangers fans face a future of mediocrity. For those who are still dreaming of a return to glory days, this is going to be a long, slow purgatory.

    What about fan-power (in a Spice Girls stylee)?

    Actually they do hold the balance of power. Without fans football is nothing.

    Boycotting retail or matches etc will hurt the current club first. MA makes money first and does not lose it if he can help it. The club will go down before Mike loses significant money. Even if the club goes down, Mike will retain the IP of the dead(x2) club, and you can bet he will defend it.

    In truth, the only road out of purgatory is to let the old club go.

    Accepting it has died sets you free.

    A conglomerate of fans and RRM could start afresh. There are various ways to do it. But they all require that ties to the original Rangers are released.

    Anyone with half an inkling of how to do PR could spin a new narrative that turned this into the New Journey, the shining path to salvation etc. (OK, so maybe not me then…)

    Rangers fans are in a tragedy where their suffering is a direct consequence of their own inability to face reality and accept the true nature of history.

    We can sympathise, or not.

    Ultimately though, it is up to them to do something about it.

    Given their group culture tendency to rely upon the Establishment and to follow follow rather than organise and lead, it may be that their stay in purgatory will be an extended one.


  49. Carfins Finest says:
    Member: (132 comments)

    Your contrasting of the role of the press in the cases of Celtic and Rangers is a good point to consider.

    Two great Scottish institutions currently lie in ruins,and look unlikely to recover in the short to medium term. There is undoubtedly a fascinating doctoral thesis to be had, on how big a part being “loved to death” by the Daily Record, has played in the “Strange Death” of Rangers and the Scottish Labour Party.

    Paging Doctor Gerry Hassan :mrgreen: (I’ll get me coat)


  50. Zilch@ 11.24am a simple TU just did not cut it there 😉 that was brilliant. :mrgreen:


  51. There were a couple of posts here last week stating that Dave King was not, as yet, registered as a director of RIFC at Companies House. He was, as we all know, absent from the EGM on Friday. Are the two strands in any way related? In that, if the first part remained true at 10:30 am Friday, he could have sat in no official capacity at the meeting? And, thus, was “away on business”?


  52. Carfins Finest says:
    Member: (132 comments)
    June 14, 2015 at 10:13 am
    Mr D C King recently told a press conference that he had absolutely no idea who Mark Wotte was. Incredible to think that the man was, as recently a 4 weeks ago, in serious talks with DCK’s acting CEO about how best to run TRFC. Is it remotely possible that Paul Murray held talks with Mr Wotte without DCK even knowing about them? Or is it more plausible that DCK just forgot?

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    No what is more likely
    Is that the SMSM made the whole Mark Wotte story up

    Just h ad to interview him (Mr Wotte) and ask him nice wee questions about TRFC add in your own mince and job done
    Interviewed for the greatest job in the world


  53. tcup 2012 says:
    Member: (236 comments)

    June 14, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    Carfins Finest says:
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    Wotte says he had talks with Paul Murray.


  54. Yup good post zilch.

    So to summarise, to be rangers do they just need to be, as so visibly demonstrated by Ashley’s Newcastle or do they have to be winning, in itself not a bad quality to have but not when it is regardless of the cost of doing so?

    I would suggest that sustainable RFC (and whilst I don’t like making the obvious comparison the same would apply to Celtic) would have a markedly different fan base and hence sustainable operating model to must -win – at – all – costs – and – we – don’t just – mean – endeavour RFC

    Ryan?


  55. BBC confident that Mark Warburton is to be announced as the new manager within 24 hours.

    MW is by all reports nobody’s fool. Has he been shown the master plan that so far has not been revealed to anyone else?

    The thing is, there simply has to be plan that we are not in on yet or TRIFC is toast.

    Has MW fallen for snake oil or is there a rabbit about to be pulled from the hat? Or will the deal all fall apart if MW asks for certain guarantees?

    To be continued………….

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33125007


  56. In fairness to King & Co, if TRFC do confirm Warburton as manager, presumably with Weir as his sidekick, that would seem to me to represent as good a choice as they could have made. It is a more imaginative move than going for any of the journeymen ex-Rangers-affiliated managers out there, proven top-line names were never going to be interested, and he has a currently successful track record. He also seems to have good links to other clubs, which could be handly for bringing in low-cost loan players or reserves from other teams, and his Brentford team had good reviews for balancing good play with good results.

    It would give the season ticket drive a good push if tomorrow Warburton and Weir are unveiled at the Gazebodrome (possibly with the addition of two or three new boys to add to the playing staff maybe – they have surely been trying to tie up some players behind the scenes…haven’t they?). I’d be interested to see if Warburton could transfer to the Scottish game, to see if he can build a new / young team, and what effect he might have on the team’s playing style.


  57. 3 0 Rate This
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    Carfins FinestCarfins Finest says:
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    June 14, 2015 at 12:16 pm
    tcup 2012 says:
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    June 14, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    Carfins Finest says:
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    Wotte says he had talks with Paul Murray.

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    Yes he probably did

    But does that mean he was interviewed for the job?

    I’m sorry but the SMSM has lied for years
    Printed all sorts of guff and I and many others had to accept it as the truth
    Because the SMSM was the only outlet to get information before the internet

    So I have no faith in them and unless I can confirm anything they print
    I take it as lies. Cynical yes 🙁 Sad yes Necessary you better believe it 👿


  58. Either
    Mark Warburton is an incredibly gifted young manager who knows that he’s going to be operating on a shoestring ( no more £850 000 Lewis McLeods) and under intense media scrutiny with the 100% support off the board & chairman
    Or
    Someone’s not given him the full skinny on just how bad things really are
    Or
    This is the marquee ST seller.


  59. Carfins Finest says:
    Member: (133 comments)

    June 14, 2015 at 10:28 am
    just cannot help but think that if the SMSM of today had torn to shred all the nonsensical statements from TRFC Board and Fan Representatives then there may have been a different TRFC playing in Scotland today. It is beyond question that the willingness to embrace all that is told them and to print without question was instrumental in the demise of the Old Club and will be the same for the current entity playing at Ibrox Park today.
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    Just read Richard Gough’s puff piece in todays papers..
    His top three signings.
    Scott Allan, Nadir Cifici and Haris Vuckic.
    1. Scott Allan. There is no doubt the Easter Road side would dig their heels in and demand a decent fee but with a year left on his deal. Allan would not cost a fortune.
    2. Nadir Ciftci. Judging by Dundee utd statement this week they are ready to cash in on him. Chances are they could get the striker for a knockdown fee.
    3. Haris Vuckic. Why not sign him up for a few years? He might cost a few quid but he knows the club and would hit the ground running.

    What is Richard’s good friend DCK telling him? They have money to burn but we might get these players on the cheap( but hey! let’s just forget about the wages they will ask for).
    This is why the SMSM let the ibrox fans down the last time and they are still at it.
    Don’t worry everything is rosy in the garden 🙄


  60. Matty Roth says:
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    June 14, 2015 at 10:52 am

    RyanGosling says:
    Member: (157 comments)
    June 13, 2015 at 11:30 pm

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    Loyalty is a fine thing when it is reciprocated. It underpins all symbiosis and constructive relationships.
    When it is unidirectional it is nothing more than oil in the engine of abuse.

    In my view RFC betrayed its fans (most of whom are honest taxpayers) the day it issued its first EBT. The legality of EBTs is irrelevent. The morality of the erstwhile clubs action in relation to its fan base is the source of their betrayal.

    I have seen little evidence of contrition from the institution towards its fans for that betrayal. Only regret of the consequences that followed on from it. Consequences that led directly to the demise of the club that had betrayed its own fans, when its actions finally caught up with it.

    Ibrox then became the home to a cuckoos egg, planted there by people who had no interest in the welfare of the fans of the club, seeing them merely as a ripe resource for exploitation, because of the opportunity presented by the vacated nest left in situ after the clubs demise.

    So the ‘loyal’ fans are now stuck in an abusive relationship with a parasitic partner. The pheremones of the MSM conspire to maintain a false loyalty to the cuckoo chick that will bleed them dry to their detriment.

    Loyalty to those ‘Rangers men’ who betrayed them twice over is neither appropriate nor in their best interests in such circumstances. It defines a parasitic relationship, not a symbiotic one.

    To break the cycle of abuse, TRFC fans instead need to either find or form something else in which their ‘loyalty’ can be placed, and where it will be reciprocated.


  61. Good afternoon, can anyone remember an incident possibly in RTC times when there was supposed to be a meeting in Switzerland? Including Whyte, Green, King and possibly more? If so a link would be greatly appreciated.


  62. Posted this on the Funding page:

    Our plans are pressing ahead, and as you will see over the course of the next few days, SFM radio will be tested with a pilot programme, and some trial ads will appear on the site.

    We have decided NOT to seek startup funds at the moment for the following reasons;

    1. We have no idea right now what return investors can expect on any investment they make, so it would be dishonest for us to speculatively produce a prospectus which promised great things.

    The advertising initiative needs some time to settle down before we can extrapolate future revenues, and our increased content will hopefully assist that process. The revenue/content relationship is a financial chicken and egg situation of course, but hopefully subscriptions and donations will allow us to get that process established, before the end of summer when we should have a clearer picture upon which to build a prospectus.

    2. Our over-riding aim in this venture is not to make profit – it is to make a difference. Accordingly we need to stretch the envelope a bit on our own before looking outwardly (if at all).

    3. A start-up funding could see us have tens, or even hundreds of shareholders (we would I think have to incorporate) with all of the potential administration and communication problems that might entail.

    4. We need to rebrand properly before asking people for funds. That process is underway and more information will be available on that soon.

    We will be inviting some people to join our advisory board over the summer, but that is not so urgent until we are absolutely sure we require outside funding.

    If our current donation levels can be maintained, and some extra funds are acquired via advertising, we will hopefully have the required cash-flow to see us increase content significantly, meet our bills and have a clearer picture of what we have to offer to investors.

    As ever, we are keen to hear from any of you who think this strategy is flawed. I have no particular business expertise, and whilst I am ordinarily disposed to go for the big play, I take the view that this more pragmatic course of action is more appropriate for now.


  63. When the vote from the Ibrox EGM is announced tomorrow, will that potentially allow for a court order to seize the assets secured against MA’s loan?

    I guess the terms in the contract will stipulate the timeline.

    Given that The Rangers have, by some accounts, been sussing out Anniesland as a training base, are they just trying to pick a fight in order to;

    1. Reduce their cost base
    2. Circle the wagons
    3. Mobilise their fans (I’m envisaging an SD Krystalnacht after a not so cleverly disguised dog whistle)
    4. Deflect, delay, derail and deny what is going on


  64. upthehoops says:
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    June 14, 2015 at 7:28 am
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    Could it be that the SMSM are not interested in Rangers’ fans who are going to say anything off-message (as far as the SMSM are concerned)??


  65. So, it looks like Warburton will be the new manager. It would seem that a new manager is necessary to drive season ticket sales. While McCall would not have been a popular choice I believe he would be the best man for the job. He was left with an impossible job when he succeeded McDowall and is now carrying the can for the playoff disaster.

    If I was a Rangers fan I’d be worried that assurances have been given to Warburton that cannot be delivered. If the transfer window closes and Warburton finds himself operating with a fraction of the promised resources it will not bode well for the season.

    McCall will know the scale of the problem by now. He has lots of experience managing in Scotland and he achieved a lot at Motherwell given the resources available.

    I think he’s the better option. He won’t shift season tickets though and for that reason it’s likely to be Warburton. I predict more trouble ahead.


  66. Trying to look up on EBT beneficiaries.
    The BBC News web site use to have a list of people who had them, and a list of one’s who had side letters.
    Now all it says is.
    This table contains the names of Rangers players, coaches and staff who were beneficiaries of the Murray Group Remuneration Trust, and how much they received through that trust.

    It also lists the names of people where the BBC has seen evidence that they received side-letters – a promise to make contributions to their individual sub-trusts.
    ——————-
    But no list is shown, Any idea why it has been removed.(is it because of the ongoing case )
    Can anyone give a good link to the list….thanks in advance


  67. Zilch says:
    Member: (31 comments)

    June 14, 2015 at 11:24 am

    Great post Zilch.

    Ashley has been involved at least since the Charles Green days and it wouldn’t be a surprise to find that it was before that.

    Ashley is no saviour, he will prolong the life of the brand to profit from it.

    My view has always been that there was one slim hope for Rangers, and that disappeared as soon a Green and his cronies got control. Everything since has been pretty much predictable, except that the followers have proved more stubbornly gullible than I could have anticipated.

    I look forward to the unveiling of the new manager. Warburton is being lauded to the highest due to success so far. I do wonder why he would want to move to the Scottish Second Division to continue his career.

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