SFM – The Next Steps

ByTrisidium

SFM – The Next Steps

As we all know, this site emerged from the ashes of RTC. The wish of the original administrator of the site, one which I wholeheartedly share, was to keep together the wonderful community RTC had built, in terms of both personnel and spirit. There are still many individuals around who were also part of RTC, and regrettably many who are no longer with us. The RTC spirit however, that of a cross-party football site where issues can be discussed in a respectful and insightful manner remains. The “wisdom of the crowd” phenomenon is also with us to perhaps an even greater extent than before, and consequently SFM’s credentials as a formidable alternative to the print media have grown.

In recent times, many contributors have expressed frustration that we are pretty much a talking shop and little else; characterised as “a lot of gum bashing and no teeth”. I think that is fair comment up to a point, but then again our aim – up to now – has been to simply present an alternative view – a view that has increasingly become the fan view as opposed to the industry view (the industry being made up of club officials, players, and press).

In fact the way I see it personally, SFM has evolved to a point where it has become the watchdog (monitor if you will) of an industry which is subject to very little oversight. The Rangers situation will eventually be done with (no laughing at the back please), and like everything else will be consigned to history (albeit more than one). The same self-interest and lack of regard for sporting integrity though will still remain, and the need for oversight will remain also.

Having arrived at those conclusions,  we have two alternatives; the first is to remain as we are (which is not a bad place to be), and the second is that SFM has to expand its role.

In recent weeks, the mods have met to discuss this, and we think that we ought to give the latter option a try. As to how we want to achieve that, and we have come up with a skeleton plan as follows;

1. We need to move into the area of gathering news content as well as commenting on what appears elsewhere;

2. We should act as a cross-club portal to get good fan site content from all clubs to a wider audience;

3. We need to highlight the positives in the game as well as the negatives;

4. We should become an actively campaigning body, aligning with fan groups to lobby for the changes we think important.

 In order to achieve these objectives, more time will need to be spent on communication like podcasts, adding news content, expanding membership and building links with other fan groups. Time will also need to be spent  setting up features, attending press conferences etc. Later in the year, one of the mods will have much more time on his hands to help achieve this.

Podcasts, premium content, labour, organisation and all of the above costs money, and ultimately a subscription based model backed by sponsorship seems to be our best way of achieving that. In order to give us a head start, we will in the next few months be putting together a business-plan and a pitch for Crowd Funding investment.

This is not to say that our existing model has been a failure. We have successfully managed to keep ourselves afloat through the ad-hoc generosity of people in our community, although the inability to keep the podcasts going has been a bit frustrating. Finding income streams which are more solid will allow us to respond to events more quickly (for example mounting an ad campaign to respond to some event or other, or buying new equipment), and hopefully achieve all of our objectives – and build a bigger audience base for our message.

Of course a move of this nature will require that, in the interests of transparency, anonymity of SFM will have to be set aside. That will not affect any of our contributors, and our practice of using (sometimes) imaginative names on the blog will remain. However, for crowd funding to be successful, we will require to have a board in place, and there is no hiding place from Companies House. The make up of the board is also crucial, and in addition to consideration of blog members for that role, we will be looking to have respected people from without.

I imagine there may be a consequent subtle effect on moderation policy to take into account.

The reason I have made this post is to keep the community up to speed with events. Although we have decided to move forward to see if we can get support for our business plan, that plan is by no means finished. As I said earlier, the “wisdom of crowds” has made our community unique and given it its credibility. There’s a lot more wisdom out there we hope to tap into before we go ahead with our initiative.

We already had someone in mind for chairman of the new board, but events have conspired tragically to rob us of that – and had the effect of postponing this announcement. However we would like to hear suggestions for suitable outside candidates for board and committee places.

We also want to hear from you if you have a suggestion to be added to our wish list of SFM function above – or even if you think it is a mistake to embark on this course.

This is a very big move for SFM, so we don’t want to rush into anything. We need to listen to what you folks have to say, because if the merging SFM is not considered a better SFM by our community there is very little point in looking to fund it.

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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Corrupt officialPosted on9:47 am - Jun 17, 2015


BTW,
I couldn’t get the transmission last night, but listening to the podcast put up by Big Pink kept me way past my bedtime. Well done to all involved.
I don’t listen to “normal” tranny because I feel slightly embarrassed shouting at a dod of plastic and some wires, and this was a refreshing departure from that.

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motor redPosted on9:47 am - Jun 17, 2015


hello, just thought id say how refreshing it was to hear the podcast, though with one gripe, why did those in the studio refer to the old club as rangers time and again.jackson traynor,young have a major win here IMO,The rangers is just about exceptable but please not the old club name. their tactic [msm] of continually using the old club name in the papers,tv radio is working it would seem, the conditioning of fans outside of govan and especially amongst the celtic contingent are relenting.i also heard the term oldfirm!.ave not much hair left so please all i am asking is dont buy into the lie. thank you.

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mcfcPosted on10:06 am - Jun 17, 2015


So what’s going on here then? RIFC are populating exec positions at TRFC but not at RIFC. Are they planning to dispense with the holding company (RIFC) to try to shake off onerous contractors including Ashley?

CLUB ANNOUNCEMENT

THE Board of Rangers International Football Club PLC (“RIFC”) is pleased to announce the appointment of Stewart Robertson as Managing Director of The Rangers Football Club Ltd (“TRFC”) and current Head of Football Administration Andrew Dickson, has been appointed Director: Finance and Administration of TRFC.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/9486-club-announcement

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AllyjamboPosted on10:40 am - Jun 17, 2015


motor red says:
Member: (6 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 9:47 am

hello, just thought id say how refreshing it was to hear the podcast, though with one gripe, why did those in the studio refer to the old club as rangers time and again
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Fresh from my debut as a football (telephone) pundit, can I just defend ‘those in the studio’ by saying how difficult it is to keep your talk flowing (if it did) if you have to concentrate on nuances like ‘Rangers’, ‘The Rangers’, ‘TRFC’ etc. I was only involved for some 15 minutes and it’s not easy to keep up with the conversation and to remember to refer to ‘that club’ in the same careful way we do when typing it on here. BP did talk to me about this aspect the other day, and I’m glad I didn’t try to refer to them as TRFC, and my use of the ‘The’ wasn’t intentional, it just came out that way, probably from use on here. I’m certain I’d have got more tongue tied than I did if I’d tried to refer to the club in the more ‘correct’ fashion.

I’ll try to post something later about my first ever ‘experience’ on radio.

Great respect for BP and the efforts he’s making to expand the reach of SFM.

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neepheidPosted on10:55 am - Jun 17, 2015


mcfc says:
Member: (1398 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 10:06 am
So what’s going on here then? RIFC are populating exec positions at TRFC but not at RIFC. Are they planning to dispense with the holding company (RIFC) to try to shake off onerous contractors including Ashley?
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I don’t see anything unusual in that.

As they are set up, RIFC does absolutely nothing except own the shares in TRFC. Since it has no day to day business activity, a Managing Director for RIFC would be a bit superfluous.

The only direct “employeees” of RIFC will be the RIFC Directors, and I would imagine that any payments to them will be done via TRFC’s bank and payroll operation.

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bluPosted on11:01 am - Jun 17, 2015


Smugas says:
June 17, 2015 at 10:18 am
Re the Herald article and King’s £20m claim and potential £1.4m dividend.
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smugas, I expect that BDO will continue in their professional fashion to get the best outcome for the stiffed creditors. The latest report has this to say, which may be instructive,

“7. Dividend Prospects
The Joint Liquidators have virtually completed their adjudication process on creditors’ claims. This process has involved the review of thousands of claims, some of which are complex requiring further investigation and, in respect of certain claims, legal advice.

I’ve no idea whether Martin Williams of The Herald has asked anyone at BDO what those complex (contested?) claims might be. You’d think there might be a potential story there though, for a good news reporter? Martin Williams could have been the guy to chase it.
On this part:

The Joint Liquidators intend to make a distribution totalling in the region of £10 million to unsecured creditors by the end of July 2015. Sums equating to the dividend payment in respect of contingent claims, for example HMRC’s claim in respect of the Big Tax case, will require to be retained until the relevant claim can be made or is withdrawn.

Williams takes the glass half full view of King’s prospects by assuming that he’s guaranteed 7% of the proposed £10m interim dividend. Not so long ago Williams was awarding King £3m.

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mcfcPosted on11:04 am - Jun 17, 2015


neepheid says:
Member: (626 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 10:55 am

I don’t see anything unusual in that.

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Previously, the likes of Green, Wallace, Llambias etc have taken the same roles in RIFC plc and TRFC Ltd. Why is it different now? Transparency, honesty and accountability would help us understand that. I suspect manoeuvring by King – but that isn’t to say it will be effective in fixing any of his many problems.

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neepheidPosted on11:15 am - Jun 17, 2015


mcfc says:
Member: (1399 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 11:04 am

Previously, the likes of Green, Wallace, Llambias etc have taken the same roles in RIFC plc and TRFC Ltd. Why is it different now? Transparency, honesty and accountability would help us understand that. I suspect manoeuvring by King – but that isn’t to say it will be effective in fixing any of his many problems.

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The problem is that the press just report stuff from Ibrox in terms of “Rangers” or “The Club”, so it is very difficult to unscramble the precise roles people had. Not helped by the fact that the press resolutely refuse to question any news emerging from Ibrox.

When RIFC was listed, at least there was something we could rely on, but now, in the King era of transparency, we are basically totally in the dark – apart from all those Level5 press releases, of course.

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ZilchPosted on11:28 am - Jun 17, 2015


Politics and fitba – lethal combination – I know, I know… but this is pretty funny from Frankie Boyle in the Guardian today

http://goo.gl/GI9CIj

includes this gem:

“There is every chance that the changes in Scotland are structural and Labour is gone for ever, like cholera or Rangers.”

😈

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mcfcPosted on11:53 am - Jun 17, 2015


How are those ST sales going down at Ibrox – come on Traynor – is Dave King handing out cups of tea to the queues and charming the punters ?

Time for a nudge for the undecided – hurry – hurry – hurry – only 30,000 left – hurry – hurry – hurry – don’t miss out on the latest magical mystery journey.

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theoldcoursePosted on12:13 pm - Jun 17, 2015


I note from the BBC website Gossip page that The Rangers FC are being linked with a £1.5m move for Stuart Dallas of Brentford.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/scottish/gossip/

According to various sources on the web this young chap currently commands a wage in excess of £8000 per week. Now I know that The Rangers FC have a Warburton but as far as I was aware they still had no bread. They’re going to have to use their loaf to raise the dough for this signing. Crumbs!!!

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TrisidiumPosted on12:16 pm - Jun 17, 2015


The ads on the site are an experiment to see how much revenue we can raise from advertising. I am told that it will take a few months before we can see a clear picture emerging.

You will also notice that we have an Amazon ad on the site too.

I am also aware of some reservations that folk have about the choice of advertisers. Unfortunately at this point in time there appears to be little choice for us, although we hope to develop an ethical policy going forward. Perhaps if things pan out favourably, we will be in a position of strength with advertisers to allow us more choice.

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TartanwulverPosted on12:27 pm - Jun 17, 2015


theoldcourse says:
June 17, 2015 at 12:13 pm

I note from th eBBC website Gossip page that The Rangers FC are being linked with a £1.5m move for Stuart Dallas of Brentford.
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I read someone else (here or elsewhere) mention that there may be instalments on the Lewis MacLeod transfer still due from Brentford to TRFC, so they might be used [Edit: I said ‘sued’ before, typo, didn’t mean that!] to offset the cost of a transfer the other way between the clubs. Top that up with King’s BDO bonanza, and it’s all set!

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John ClarkPosted on12:28 pm - Jun 17, 2015


RyamGosling says:
June 16,2015 at 9.31 p.m
‘ Old Clarke/New Clark debate.”
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Whatever about Clarke or Clark, definitely ‘old’,I regret to say! 😀

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TheClumpanyPosted on1:18 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Good Afternoon

I see that another exemplary round of Sevco season ticket-selling ‘good news”stories’ was pumped out by the MSM today. Close forensic examination has yet to find anything of substance in them. I also note with derision that both the Herald and Record were talking about ‘operating companies’ with regard to the liquidated Rangers. Laughable stuff!

Here is a little lunchtime read about it.

https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/pulitzer-alert/

Have a good afternoon

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mcfcPosted on1:56 pm - Jun 17, 2015


TheClumpany says:
Member: (69 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 1:18 pm

https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/pulitzer-alert/

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For F’s sake Clumpany – I nearly broke Google trying to find that 🙂

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MoreCelticParanoiaPosted on1:56 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Corrupt official says:
June 17, 2015 at 9:39 am

TheClumpany says:
June 17, 2015 at 8:43 am

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Clumps, I don’t think anybody really knows, but it may be that instead of suing Minty on a personal level, King has decided to sue Rangers(I.L) instead.
If this is the case, then any payout would be subject to that action being successful or not. Whether BDO wish to go to the expense of contesting it or not (on behalf of Rangers I.L.)is another matter.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/glenn-gibbons-dave-king-rues-being-swayed-by-sir-david-murray-charm-1-2164582
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If we follow the Scottish media’s same club unwavering dogma, surely this means the current chairman of Rangers is suing his own club??

In circumstances where it’s unclear exactly on what basis this action is being taken.

It isn’t hard to imagine the kind of ever so slightly critical comment this might attract in the case of any other club, which of course is absent in the case of King.

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bfbpuzzledPosted on2:13 pm - Jun 17, 2015


If King is suing himself then he is sure of another favourable outcome

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MoreCelticParanoiaPosted on2:40 pm - Jun 17, 2015


bfbpuzzled says:
Member: (185 comments)

June 17, 2015 at 2:13 pm

If King is suing himself then he is sure of another favourable outcome
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Not himself, the club – the Daily Record even referred to it as ‘oldco’ in yet another exemplification of cognitive dissonance

The inference seems to be that any money King receives from ‘oldco’ will represent a boon for the current ‘club’ with absolutely no grounding in evidence or reality given actions since the great RRM ‘takeover’.

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mcfcPosted on3:35 pm - Jun 17, 2015


jimlarkin says:
Member: (307 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 2:51 pm

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie

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King explaining perilous state of the finances – hardly seems necessary.

Ashley non-committal.

I assume King needs Ashley’s support to launch a share issue (75% vote) or it’s goodbye cruel world. But even a share issue is a plaster on a gangrenous, oft shot foot.

Can’t imagine Ashley wants to be the lender of last resort anymore – let alone investor of last resort or a share issue underwriter – besides the SFA wouldn’t let him do that – would they?

Wonder if King invited Llambias and Leach back onto the RIFC board – their executive positions are still vacant.

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StevieBCPosted on3:44 pm - Jun 17, 2015


If King was attempting to negotiate with Ashley last week – rather than forcing his hands into his sewn-up pockets – then why the hell should King expect any club supporter to fork out £411 for a ST, based on blind loyalty ?

There is no team yet, a depleted squad, and no indication of what is ahead for the club next season in terms of off-field stability, etc.

Presumably there is still a hardcore of TRFC supporters who will indeed fork out – but their numbers must be dwindling after the last 3 years of continuous confusion, deception and utter farce surrounding their club.

And King has so far not really done anything to clearly set himself apart from the previous chancers Green & Whyte.

Looks like King is no different to them: he has no money. 😕

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mcfcPosted on4:09 pm - Jun 17, 2015


So Ashley met with King at King’s request on EGM day. Does that make Ashley:

1) a cruel man – stringing King along for the sadistic fun of it

2) deeply pragmatic man who thinks there is still a deal to be done – especially now King has faced reality

3) a curious, bemused man who just wanted to know what this offensive fool had to say to him

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jimlarkinPosted on4:13 pm - Jun 17, 2015


MCFC

I’m not sure, but what I do know is
…Mike Ashley has other things to be spending his £5,000,000 on

http://news.stv.tv/tayside/1323055-sports-direct-gym-at-dundee-stack-park-to-bring-100-jobs-to-lochee/

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on4:20 pm - Jun 17, 2015


mcfc says:
Member: (1403 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 4:09 pm

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Finally DK does something that sends the right message.
Because right now, grovelling to MASH is more important to the survival of that club than anything else: including the other shareholders, and the fans.
They are a distressed company, and MASH is their banker.
They are on life support and he has his finger on the kill switch.
Of course it may already be too late.

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mcfcPosted on4:36 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Resin_lab_dog says:
Member: (477 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 4:20 pm

Finally DK does something that sends the right message.

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Yes, the sensible thing to do – but as you say – probably much too late – even if King gets something from Ashley to save the New Regime, King will have one hell of a job explaining it to the ST buying bears who regard Ashley are Dr Evil – mainly thanks to King. I love it when a plan comes together.

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neepheidPosted on4:54 pm - Jun 17, 2015


mcfc says:
Member: (1403 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 3:35 pm

Can’t imagine Ashley wants to be the lender of last resort anymore – let alone investor of last resort or a share issue underwriter – besides the SFA wouldn’t let him do that – would they?

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And there’s the problem. Doubtless to suit King, the SFA have told Ashley in very clear terms- no further investment in our favourite club. So now Ashley can just lean back in his chair, smile nicely, and say “so sorry, Dave, I would love to help you out, but I’m simply not allowed to. Oh, and don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.”

Even the SMSM will surely find it difficult to criticise Ashley for not investing more, when they all campaigned to stop him investing more only a few months ago. But hang on, they assume their readers all have the attention span of particularly challenged goldfish, so batten down the hatches, Uncle Mike, another SMSM feeding frenzy is heading your way.

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easyJamboPosted on4:58 pm - Jun 17, 2015


So Rangers have made their first signing of the summer:

Andy Newport ‏@AndyNewportPA · 50m50 minutes ago
Wigan confirm to PA that they have accepted a bid from Rangers for defender Rob Kiernan

Perhaps they should have read this BBC article from earlier this week first:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33148799

Birmingham City have pulled out of a deal to make Wigan Athletic defender Rob Kiernan their first summer signing.

The former Republic of Ireland Under-21 international impressed for Blues in 12 appearances on loan from Wigan over the final three months of last season.

Birmingham then agreed an undisclosed fee to sign Kiernan on a more permanent basis, on a two-year deal.

But BBC WM understands that that the club were unhappy with certain aspects of the medical undergone by the player.

Rangers recent record of signing players with health or injury problems should suggest a bit more caution.

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redetinPosted on5:02 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Regarding today’s Herald story.

King gets 2 mentions.

“RANGERS chairman Dave King stands to get an initial £1.4 million…” – so it’s a possibility.

“The South African businessman’s payout comes…” – so now it’s definite?

There is nothing in the Herald that establishes that King is a creditor. Neither King nor Ben Nevis were mentioned in the original D&P list of creditors.

Has BDO published a more recent list of creditors since this May 2013 listing?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/rangers-administration-full-list-of-creditors-1-2325870

Maybe it was in someone’s interests to feed a cock & bull story to the Herald.

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wottpiPosted on5:11 pm - Jun 17, 2015


easyJambo says:
June 17, 2015 at 4:58 pm

Rob Kiernan seems to have been a trainee at Watford when Warburton was there as academy manager and was then at Brentford on loan for a few months in the winter of 12/13.
Probably has a wee bit of history with the lad.

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easyJamboPosted on5:21 pm - Jun 17, 2015


A good article by Paul Brennan on CQN re the surge in the use of set top boxes to watch live football.

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=17526

I certainly dispensed with Sky a number of years ago, and my “free” BT Sports with my BT Broadband service will no longer be free next season when BT starts broadcasting Champions League football, so that’s going too. At least BT Sports 1 will remain free and that channel provides the live SPFL coverage.

Even then, there are few games that I watch live from the SPFL coverage these days. I’m looking forward to the day when the clubs themselves decide to ditch the major broadcasters.

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mcfcPosted on5:35 pm - Jun 17, 2015


How angry would ST buying bears be with the RRM if the big blue bus goes over the cliff before Xmas. Would it approach Armageddon? Would King become the new Whyte? It must have crossed his mind more than once.

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scapaflowPosted on5:38 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Come on folks,someone is taking the pish. Seriously, King was in London trying to get Ashley to “overinvest” yet more dosh, while at the same time telling him, he wasn’t getting his £5million back anytime soon?

That’s not a brass neck, that neck is made of one those new titanium/magensium alloys, so I guess, if nothing else, we know where all the cash has gone :mrgreen:

I’m going to be chortling for the rest of the night.

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easyJamboPosted on5:40 pm - Jun 17, 2015


An analysis of Celtic’s finances from the excellent Swissramble Blog.

http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2015/06/celtic-everythings-gone-green.html

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scapaflowPosted on5:47 pm - Jun 17, 2015


easyJambo says:
Member: (659 comments)

It’s good, though its slightly marred by this piece of pish:

“Of course, Rangers are no longer in the top division, which is something of a double-edged sword for Celtic. A couple of years ago, chief executive Peter Lawwell insisted that they did not need the presence of Rangers to flourish financially after their Old Firm rivals’ problems led to them being demoted.

He said, “We look after ourselves. We don’t rely on any other club. We are in a decent position, we’re very strong.” That’s all well and good, but it could be argued that a lack of strong domestic competition may leave Celtic ill prepared for their European campaigns – and that’s where the big money lies.”

Strong competition would be good for Celtic and everyone else, and hopefully the other clubs will continue to improve. The idea that Rangers could provide strong competition for anything other than the demotion places, is every bit as laughable as Dave King asking Ashley for more money.

Football needs commentators who look out the window and see the real footballing “weather”, instead of relying on dodgy seaweed and other Daily Record style forecasts

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scapaflowPosted on6:24 pm - Jun 17, 2015


OT for the mods. Interesting EUHCR rulling on a case involving anonymous comments on a website http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/pages/search.aspx?i=001-155105#_Toc422230341

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upthehoopsPosted on6:30 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Very interesting story from Phil McG alleging King was in London meeting Ashley at the time of the recent EGM. Phil seems pretty sure of his source and is basically daring TRFC to issue a denial.

If things are so bad financially for King to go cap in hand to Ashley then you wonder just how long £10m of season ticket money would last. After essential bills and running costs it’s hard to see how it would stretch anywhere close to the squad improvements that are needed. Any further Ashley loans are likely to see him virtually having security over everything, including players.

Why can’t the media just tell it as it is!

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neepheidPosted on7:08 pm - Jun 17, 2015


upthehoops says:
Member: (737 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm

Any further Ashley loans are likely to see him virtually having security over everything, including players.

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Ashley currently has a floating charge over all “Rangers” assets, except Ibrox, but he also seems to have a block on anyone else using Ibrox as security (why did no one question that at the EGM?). So he already has security over all player registrations. That will include any new signings, I believe, since a floating charge isn’t restricted to the assets at the time the charge was created.

How King can boast to all who will listen that Ashley isn’t getting his money back, while Ashley has an iron grip over the company’s assets, simply beggars belief. I’ve heard of Chutzpah, but this is more like commercial suicide. Oh to have been a fly on the wall at the King-Ashley head to head.

Am I the only one who thinks Ashley deliberately scheduled the meeting for the day of the EGM, to make King look like a complete chump?

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scapaflowPosted on7:18 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Neepheid, King doesn’t need anyone’s assistance to look a complete chump

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upthehoopsPosted on7:27 pm - Jun 17, 2015


neepheid says:
Member: (629 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 7:08 pm

How King can boast to all who will listen that Ashley isn’t getting his money back, while Ashley has an iron grip over the company’s assets, simply beggars belief. I’ve heard of Chutzpah, but this is more like commercial suicide. Oh to have been a fly on the wall at the King-Ashley head to head.
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Looks like King is playing a very risky game of juggling. Some of those balls are going to drop soon.

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grecian urnPosted on7:33 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Just downloaded free trial of PortraitPro, see if I can take 25 years off my CV photo : 🙂 And, I still have not fallen for the charms of Kindle books or various items from the tax evaders !

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StevieBCPosted on7:39 pm - Jun 17, 2015


upthehoops says:
Member: (738 comments)

Looks like King is playing a very risky game of juggling. Some of those balls are going to drop soon.
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Murray & Gilligan [?] were humiliated, per Phil’s recent report of their meeting at SD HQ, IIRC;

– their daily phone calls requesting a meeting with Ashley were ignored for weeks
– they were told to be at the SD HQ the very next morning
– they were both kept waiting at reception for a couple of hours
– Ashley briefly said ‘Hi’ then left the room, and let his minions listen for him.
– nothing was agreed.

Knowing this then, why would King risk putting himself through similar debasement ?

…unless he has no other option… 😳

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on7:47 pm - Jun 17, 2015


upthehoops says:
Member: (738 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm

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Why are the media so complicit in milking bears?
Uncritically pumping out level5 guff aimed at parting long suffering bears from their ST cash with no highlighting or analysis of the underpinning finances.
Dave has promised to put money in?
What is he waiting for:

Hmm… Here’s an idea for you Dave:
What about selling the bears season tickets on an instalment plan?

So that for every £10m of the £50m originally promised that ‘King & co’ comes up with, the bears will give you another 20% downpayment on their Season tickets?

So all he then has to do then is what he said he would in the first instance, and the bears will meet him toe to toe, and get what they wanted.

Otherwise they are mad to part with a dime. They’d be better off keeping their money in their pockets, ready to buy the assets off Ashley out of liquidation with!

Because King is lining up to fleece them again as soon as the ST money is in. Because he will be handing the ST cash straight over to service the onerous contracts.

Show us the balance sheet Dave?
What’s the cash in the bank?
What is the receivables?
How much have you actually given to the club yourself?
In round numbers?
How many season tickets have you bought yourself for you and yours?

Is it – zero?

Why is no one asking him any of this?????
Lack of a precedent or 2, maybe !!!!

Stench of corruption is as thick as our 4th estate.

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sixtaesevenPosted on8:06 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Anybody heard a peep from the new SFA president (McCrea?) about the ongoing Servo saga, financial sustainability, dual interests, etc?

Or a peep about ANYTHING: Women’s World Cup, first round of Petrified Cup, anything?

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SmugasPosted on8:09 pm - Jun 17, 2015


StevieBC

Or king and Ashley know they need each other for the continuity fleece to, well, continue.

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upthehoopsPosted on8:17 pm - Jun 17, 2015


StevieBC says:
Member: (731 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 7:39 pm

Murray & Gilligan [?] were humiliated, per Phil’s recent report of their meeting at SD HQ, IIRC;

– their daily phone calls requesting a meeting with Ashley were ignored for weeks
– they were told to be at the SD HQ the very next morning
– they were both kept waiting at reception for a couple of hours
– Ashley briefly said ‘Hi’ then left the room, and let his minions listen for him.
– nothing was agreed.

Knowing this then, why would King risk putting himself through similar debasement ?

…unless he has no other option…
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It says much that no bank appears willing to given them a line of credit. Finance is not my profession, but if the Rangers situation really is the envy of all other clubs (King’s words not mine), then credit facilities shouldn’t be an issue.

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StevieBCPosted on8:44 pm - Jun 17, 2015


OK, how’s this for a ‘curve ball’.

King has no money, [alleged BDO payout notwithstanding].
King is in a pickle, with major ‘loss of face’ imminent amongst the bears, and across the Scottish MSM.

What if Ashley agrees to covertly fund King ?
King uses Ashley’s cash to prop up TRFC, to maintain onerous contracts for SD.
King is Chairman of RIFC/TRFC, but Ashley is pulling his strings for Ashley’s gain.

Might be a marginally better option for King than eventual admin/liquidation of TRFC ?

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justshateredPosted on8:47 pm - Jun 17, 2015


upthehoops says:
June 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm

The question about the media is one I have asked many a time.
The attitude of the media in this tale, particularly in the last five years, has been a study in the most excruciating, self harming imaginable.

First they refused to talk about the big tax case.
Secondly, and possibly even before the first, they ignored the expanding debt.
Third they ignored the fact that Craig Whyte was potless.
Fourth they ignored the fact that Whyte bought the club with future season ticket money despite the story being available from the ‘bampots’ for months.
Fifth they refused even to accept the prospect of Administration.
Sixth, they refused to accept that HMRC would vote down the CVA.
Seventh, they ignored the very prospect of Liquidation.
Eighth, they expounded that a lack of ‘The Rangers’ in the top league would spell financial ruin for all.
Ninth, they turned fans against anyone who was not endowed with sufficient ‘Rangerness’ from buying the assets.
Tenth, they refused to investigate Charles Green’s business background not to mention the people he brought to the trough.
Eleventh, they never questioned any of the nonsense spouted on the lead up to the IPO e.g. 500M fan base, Dallas Cowboys hook up, orange strips etc.
Twelfth, the most insipid reporting of any financial returns.
Thirteenth, they have managed to hunt the only actual billionaire to come near the business in the last five years.
Fourteenth, not once during the whole debacle have they attempted to corner anyone in a position of responsibility within the governing bodies to explain their actions.

Meanwhile as every appointment was made they cheered each person in through the doors and up the marble staircase with nauseating rubbish only to back track months later. They get quotes of endorsement from the most obscure people concerning the least announcement. Everything is done to keep this entity in the news. It is almost as if they were, dare I say it, obsessed!

Now considering the incredible love they have expended on this journey do they really think they have help either the fans or ‘The Rangers’?

Where once there was some level of sympathy from other supporters who would not like to see this happen to any club now that has mostly evaporated.
The only people now missing ‘The Rangers’ in the top flight is the media themselves and ‘The Rangers’ because the financial black hole is gradually increasing and sucking in more and more cash.

The unquestioning attitude of the media have in turn driven other fans away from the printed press because the simply no longer believe the continual drivel published particularly when it is easily dissected and disproved in a matter of minutes.

The fact that editors have consistently allowed the most ludicrous of stories to be published questions, not only their impartiality, but the very profession of all journalists.

Some fans scrutinize their clubs to ensure things are correct and the business is being run correctly because they have been hurt before and yet we have witnessed, particularly over the last five years, a sheep or herd mentality that is quite unfathomable.
The ability of a large group of people to unquestionably follow a consistently wrong path while abusing a smaller group of their own support who are pointing out the issues must have some psychiatric term.

Meanwhile for any journalists, or even editors, looking in because we know you do; you have wilfully contributed the collapse of the first club for goodness sake get up off your knees and report this story as you should do.
This is not meant to be mean to yourselves, although you do deserve that, but stop and think if you are really helping this situation?
Have the fans that were deluded by the IPO been helped?
Are the fans currently being helped by the present regime in control when investment has not been forthcoming in the timescales promised?
These are the simple questions and from those others will follow.

You are not currently helping either the club, it’s support, or the wider sport by your current stance.

If not you, who?
If not now, when?

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jean7brodiePosted on9:19 pm - Jun 17, 2015


justshatered says:
Member: (136 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:47 pm
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Excellent post justshattered, excellent. And the reason for it all is corruption, corruption, corruption…

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TheClumpanyPosted on9:27 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Good Evening.

As occasionally happens, something minor caught The Clumpany’s attention earlier today and prompted a train of thought.

On this occasion, Graham Spiers’ comments in his piece about Mark Warburton got me thinking about how the media (and governing bodies) simply cannot wean themselves off thinking about our game through the prism of the Rangers* v Celtic *cough* duopoly.

Here are some thoughts…

https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/taxi-for-the-clumpany

Enjoy the rest of the evening!

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on9:43 pm - Jun 17, 2015


justshatered says:
Member: (136 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:47 pm

upthehoops says:
June 17, 2015 at 6:30 pm

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I sometimes wonder if there is an unholy alignment of interests arrived at between the venal sports hacks and the more serious journalistic types. The former are dependent on :slamb: . The latter are the ones who were subjected to attack and outrage of the lunatic bear fringe, for example for daring to report on EBTs, on daring to investigate Craig Whyte etc. Who needs that?
Look what happened when Alex Thomson stuck his oar in?

Well these guys will all have read Charlotte.
They will be aware of the conspiracies at play.
They could do the type of journalism that would blow the lid off the debacle and uncover the truth without breaking a sweat.
They could rack King before breakfast as a warm up for the day ahead.

But if they did that, it might ultimately benefit the type of people who hound and threaten proper journalists simply for going about their profession with diligence?

So Why the hell should they?

Maybe there is a ‘Hell mend ’em’ attitude towards the bears among the more serious journalistic types, and a wry laugh at every unreported disaster in waiting that befalls the Ibrox entity?

Maybe they are joking in smoke filled rooms about the vanguard bears anti-BBC protests?

I struggle to arrive at any other explanation for their lack of curiosity in the Ibrox omnishambles, and their decisions to leave the reportage exclusively to the lamb munchers of the various comedy and light entertainment units

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jean7brodiePosted on9:46 pm - Jun 17, 2015


TheClumpany says:
Member: (70 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 9:27 pm

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F**king fantastic!!!

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essexbeancounterPosted on10:05 pm - Jun 17, 2015


StevieBC says:
Member: (732 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm
OK, how’s this for a ‘curve ball’.

King has no money, [alleged BDO payout notwithstanding].
King is in a pickle, with major ‘loss of face’ imminent amongst the bears, and across the Scottish MSM.

What if Ashley agrees to covertly fund King ?
King uses Ashley’s cash to prop up TRFC, to maintain onerous contracts for SD.
King is Chairman of RIFC/TRFC, but Ashley is pulling his strings for Ashley’s gain.

Might be a marginally better option for King than eventual admin/liquidation of TRFC ?
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Stevie…that would give rise to the situation where both would be acting as “shadow directors” (I believe DCK has still not been voted on to either of the two boards, but may be wrong!)
Whilst the Companies Acts expressly forbid this, who is to say any action would be taken, given the past lack of proper governance by the UK authorities? 😥 😥

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RyanGoslingPosted on10:10 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Justshatered,

You missed the main point that wasn’t driven home by the press, the one point that kicked it all off. The exponential increase in debt, under Murray, from the time Advocaat arrived till the time McLeish took the hotseat, and even beyond, although the damage was done by that point. I’m not going to claim I cared at the time, seeing the likes of Mols, Van Bronckhorst, De Boer, I wasn’t fussed. But that is the time and those are the players, employed and paid by Murray, that got us all to where we are now.

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valentinesclownPosted on10:19 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Could not access broadcast the other night but listened to podcast tonight. Really enjoyed it and thanks to all involved.

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StevieBCPosted on10:23 pm - Jun 17, 2015


essexbeancounter says:
Member: (210 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 10:05 pm
StevieBC says:
Member: (732 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm
OK, how’s this for a ‘curve ball’.

King has no money, [alleged BDO payout notwithstanding].

=====================
Stevie…that would give rise to the situation where both would be acting as “shadow directors”…
=====================
Absolutely ebc !

And it is interesting to read in the English MSM, that whilst Ashley has recently stepped down from the NUFC Board, he is still regarded as being the ‘man in power’.

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Corrupt officialPosted on10:57 pm - Jun 17, 2015


essexbeancounter says:
Member: (210 comments)

June 17, 2015 at 10:05 pm

StevieBC says:
Member: (732 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm
OK, how’s this for a ‘curve ball’
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Essex, King is shown as being on the board of RIFC and of retail, but nothing on TRFC

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC437060/RANGERS-INTERNATIONAL-FOOTBALL-CLUB-PLC/directors-secretaries

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08142409/RANGERS-RETAIL-LIMITED/directors-secretaries

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roddybhoyPosted on11:07 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Clumps @ 9.27

Fantastic piece concise and to the point , wish i was capable of writing an article like that 🙁 I mean this in the nicest possible way….I wish they would do as you say and I never heard from you again 😆

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valentinesclownPosted on11:13 pm - Jun 17, 2015


justshatered says:
Member: (136 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:47 pm
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The reporting of this one club through my whole life has been extremely biased in their favour from the compliant smsm (and IMO the sfa have also played a part in protecting this club). My club and everyone else’s club has not and would not get this type of press/protection.
It is widespread in all area’s of our smsm which is a grave concern. Even now when the internet bampots truthfully challenge their reporting and continually prove them wrong, they continue the same stance. Occasionally we will get the odd report against this club but never on masse or sustained reporting. Armageddon never occurred and was never going to take place and they all knew this. It suited all smsm to claim Scottish football would not survive without this one club, well I have news for you we were always going to survive for the sake of sporting integrity which is essential in sport and needs to survive as the smsm is trying to eliminate this integrity by their reporting and obvious need for this one club to continue by any means possible. Why do the smsm continue this bias to this one club, well they have back then, they do now and will IMO continue. I ask myself why? I think of how this team is portrayed by key words or terms related to them that the smsm and sfa use like, the establishment club, fabric of society, traditions of Ibrox (always seem to be portrayed as superior to every other club). This is how this club is described and I have always had a problem with all of these terms and the one that does not sit easy is the tradition related term. One of these traditions lasted nearly 100 years and our press and sfa did not challenge this enough then IMO and this is one of the reasons why we are where we are with this club and it’s fans. In 2012 all fans said no to this club getting preferential treatment and sporting integrity prevailed.
Scottish football and the majority of the fans are IMO certainly not missing this club, why?
That is the question/fact the smsm do not want to accept. Why?

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macfurglyPosted on11:46 pm - Jun 17, 2015


Corrupt official says:
Member: (78 comments)

June 17, 2015 at 10:57 pm

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC437060/RANGERS-INTERNATIONAL-FOOTBALL-CLUB-PLC/directors-secretaries
_________________

That CompanyCheck is a fascinating place.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC425159/THE-RANGERS-FOOTBALL-CLUB-LIMITED/financial-accounts#financials

I wish I could understand how TRFC’s accounts from 2013-14 work (or any for that matter). They were bust by £23M in 2014 surely. How does net worth work? Presumably RIFC are owed the cash.Why don’t they have to produce accounts on the 30th. of this month? Which Director resigned from Garrion Securities today? Somers?
Who registered a charge against TRFC on 9th. June?
So Charles Green’s longest current directorship is 3 years and 1 month with SEVCO 5088?
and so on…

Frustrating, but worth a trawl if you’re at a loose end.

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ZilchPosted on11:53 pm - Jun 17, 2015


RyanGosling says:
Member: (160 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm
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Absolutely bang on Ryan.

Mike Ashley is currently monster of the month with the SMSM.

He joins an ever-growing list of characters that enter stage left as proto-heroes ready to save the day only to be hounded off the stage for failure to perform the miracle of unsinking an already sunken ship.

Whyte, Green and any number of others have played roles in the pantomime, but always ending up as some sort of villain in the eyes of the SMSM.

Yet SDM remains untouchable. Where is he now? What has he got to say for himself? Maybe the forthcoming tax case appeal will bring him back into the spotlight?

I doubt it. Our media boys are complicit in this farce and Murray knows too much about them. I believe they are simply scared of him.

Yet, as you so clearly realise, it was SDM that put Rangers and Scottish Football into this position.

Not Whyte. Not Green. Not any of the other panto villains. They played their parts, certainly, but it was SDM that introduced a new level of corruption into our game.

If I was a Rangers fan, it is to SDM that I would direct my fury.

Why is it that Rangers fans are now not slow in condemning Whyte and GReen etc, but SDM remains untouchable?

The fact that so few Rangers fans have made the realisation that SDM was their nemesis, or are prepared to admit to it is fascinating.

It could be a case study in the effects of neuro-linguistic programming. The media repeat their untruths about the situation at Ibrox like a mantra, and those susceptible to the message are taken in and really believe.

It could also be the case that there is a more cynical edge. Some will understand the truth of the situation, but will be only to glad to hide behind the media distortion so as to not have to face up to the awful truth.

If Rangers fans accept the role SDM played in the downfall of their club, the door is cast open to re-evaluate that period of their club’s history.

The exponential debt and the desperation to surpass Celtic led to EBTs, mis-registration of players contracts and non-payment of social taxes. All of which calls into question the validity of sporting achievements by the club during that period.

Is it any wonder that the SMSM, the SFA and RRM have moved heaven and earth, they have moved reality itself, to limit discussion of the situation to the post-SDM era?

I salute you, Ryan, for perservering here with what must at times feel like a very cold house. You clearly see through the lies you have been told.

It is time, past time, for the Rangers fans as a body, to see past those lies and to re-engage with the reality of the situation.

The glory days that they aspire to return to were false. They were the direct product of cheating and corruption.

They are being lied to about what has happened to their club and about what the future holds for their club.

Rangers and their fans appear doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past because they have not, as a collective, developed the maturity to deal with the truth of when and how it went so badly wrong.

Rangers people are completely isolated in this regard because fans of every other club know full well that SDM corrupted the game. We know that it was rotten and we know we were cheated for years.

Where we have common ground, and I believe there may be large numbers of Rangers fans that understand this, is a common interest in rooting out the corruption in our game.

Rangers are in their current situation because the football authorities have supported, by fair means and foul, a resurrection from beyond the grave of a zombie club. They did this primarily for their own financial gain.

To do this they put the corpse of the original club into the hands of spivs and chancers who have reanimated the body, only to subsequently bleed it dry again. All they want is your money.

Rangers fans are being fleeced at avery opportunity, and the football authorities not only condone it, they have actively facilitated it.

Moving forward requires a comprehensive clearout at Hampden, followed by a thorough and impartial investigation of the shenanigans, going all the way back to the SDM days.

We too need to learn the lessons of the past to avoid future repeats.

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Paulmac2Posted on12:03 am - Jun 18, 2015


StevieBC says:
Member: (733 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm
………………..

What if Ashley agrees to covertly fund King ?
King uses Ashley’s cash to prop up TRFC, to maintain onerous contracts for SD.
King is Chairman of RIFC/TRFC, but Ashley is pulling his strings for Ashley’s gain.
…………..

All possible of course…but why would a poker player like Ashley who is sitting with a royal flush decide to check instead of upping the bet?

As we have seen in the past the pretend animosity between the cast of players has always been enough to throw doubt into the arena?

However if they were playing the game together but with open hostility would not make sense. They could just as easily have played the game together quietly, with King fronting the show and Ashley funding the show…where that collapses is Ashley will not fund a black hole and DCK needs either the black hole filled with someone elses cash or an administration event to allow those with enough cash to buy the carcus on the cheap. Ashley ain’t having that, because that cuts him out.

So again I would ask…why would anyone check with a royal flush?

He is in the perfect position to arrange a ticketus payment scheme…you pay me the outstanding 5 million or the assets…I will then arrange for the club to have 5 million (or name a figure up to 50% of expected ST sales)up front…you then repay me the first 5.4 million in ST renewals…an 8% return…as well as his original 5 million or the assets

Just a thought..

The phrase …by the short and curlies rings a bell!

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scapaflowPosted on12:08 am - Jun 18, 2015


Corrupt official says:
Member: (78 comments)

RIFC is where all the power is, TRFC is the Subbuteo set.

Essescbeancounter

You may have spotted yet another world record for Rangers, the company where the alleged shadow directors, often appears to out number the corporeal ones. This is turning into a job for Buffy!

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The Cat NR1Posted on12:14 am - Jun 18, 2015


upthehoops says:
Member: (739 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:17 pm
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It says much that no bank appears willing to given them a line of credit. Finance is not my profession, but if the Rangers situation really is the envy of all other clubs (King’s words not mine), then credit facilities shouldn’t be an issue.
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upthehoops

“(King’s words not mine)”

There’s your answer!

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Big PinkPosted on12:41 am - Jun 18, 2015


Zilch,

I don’t agree completely with your analysis on the attitude to David Murray. I think Rangers fans are on the whole hostile to him, but it goes largely unreported and unsupported in the press. Murray has an unbelievable hold over tabloid hacks. One man who never seems to attract any opprobrium though is the one guy who has been there all along – Andrew Dickson. Thirty-four years and counting, still in a job, untarnished, un-noticed and anonymous.

I am sure that if the truth ever surfaces over the goings-on over the last couple of decades at Ibrox and Hampden , his name will be mentioned more than most.

Ryan
One question I have for you in the light of your comments about how you never complained when great talent was being brought to Rangers (and who among us would see it differently?). The questions is this;

We may never agree on the OCNC debate, but would the Rangers support, with hindsight, have given up all of the titles of the EBT years in exchange for the OCNC question never arising?

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on12:55 am - Jun 18, 2015


Paulmac2 says:
Member: (159 comments)
June 18, 2015 at 12:03 am

StevieBC says:
Member: (733 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm
………………..

Maybe King was ‘offering’ a ticketus type scenario to Ashley? – RIFC advances 2016/17 STs in exchange for 2015/16 “overinvestment”.
Ashley’s lawyers to write contract obv…

Get thee behind me Satan 😈

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on1:14 am - Jun 18, 2015


essexbeancounter says:
Member: (210 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 10:05 pm
StevieBC says:
Member: (732 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm
OK, how’s this for a ‘curve ball’.

King has no money, [alleged BDO payout notwithstanding].

=====================
Stevie…that would give rise to the situation where both would be acting as “shadow directors”…
=====================
Absolutely ebc !

And it is interesting to read in the English MSM, that whilst Ashley has recently stepped down from the NUFC Board, he is still regarded as being the ‘man in power’.

_______________________________________________

Ties in with the Alan Partridge, sorry , I mean Pardew departure.
exit from the Toon seems to be a strategic exercise.
I think Mike may actually have great things planned for the bears:

Wot if:

Mash was trying to exit NUFC because it had run its course: No cost effective European Route via EPL?.
To much off an inflating bubble.
Whereas Scotland was a bubble that had just ‘burst’ with champions league slots up for grabs.
Mash GENUINELY saw RIFC as an opportunity: Onerous contracts were chicken feed to him. Planned on exiting NUFC anyway, thereby dealing with the dual club problem?
Player loans genuinely seen as a leg up for TRFC, rather than a £MASH cash grab from the skint club. (The only money in there was his anyway ffs!)

Scotland always a cheaper way into Europe than EPL.
EU wide Sports direct advertising hoarding for – £10m a year sustaining loss. Each loss covered by Mash Loans, ensuring that by this time in 10 years Mash effectively mortgages everything blue in Glasgow west of Broomloan while bears buying shirts pay the cost of the money SDH lends to keep RIFC running.
The question is: if this wasn’t his plan all along, why wasn’t some enterprising genuine bear fan pitching it to him on a quid pro quo basis? Hardly rocket science!!!

I think if the SFA had let him increase his shareholding, the bears may have been happier than they are now.
I think King probably dropped the biggest B*llock in the TRFC saga since jacko hailed the motherwell born billionaire.

Who knows?

Real Rangers men, eh?
On the basis of available evidence: they couldn’t run an egg and spoon race!

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John ClarkPosted on1:35 am - Jun 18, 2015


New lap-top ( pc was hacked by some bastar. that I would hang if I got him) now set up, stupid wee ‘freebie’ useless feckin tablet now redundant, I was able to enjoy the podcast of the SFM radio thingy, just finished listening five minutes ago or so..
I did enjoy it.
I was impressed by the high quality of its ‘production values’ and by the content, and by the contributions and general tone of the observations and comments made by the football-knowledgeable contributors.
And I am very well aware that it is early days in the process of establishing the SFM as a serious voice in Scottish Football, asking the questions that the SMSM choose not to ask. And that we have to proceed with a degree of caution.
The main thing is that we do not forget that a very great evil was perpetrated by those who govern Scottish Football.
They allowed, and continue to allow, a new club to parade itself as being the defunct RFC, and claim the sporting honours and titles that that once respected club(until SDM and his pornographer lawyer friend turned it into the Lance Armstrong of football)earned and achieved.
I do hope that we do not,collectively, yield to the insistent, devilish, perverted barrage of Goebbels-like propaganda coming from the hacks who prostitute themselves, or from evil sods who took our BBC licence money as their pay.
Some time fairly soon, I hope, SFM must ask the new President of the SFA what he is going to do to restore Integrity to Scottish Football by insisting that TRFC are NOT RFC.
And then, perhaps, we can all, in the phrase commonly used by discomfited men, ‘move on’.

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BC_CeltPosted on2:52 am - Jun 18, 2015


I listened to the podcast earlier in the car. I found it very enjoyable, with good, well-thought out opinions from the participants.

Some of the references went over my head, as I haven’t lived in the UK for over 20 years and in Scotland for over 30, but in general, a big Well Done to all.

One thing that was somewhat distracting was the occasional people talking over each other – if there was a way to manage that better then I think it would add to the enjoyment.

Well done, too, in having a broad perspective of clubs represented both via the participants and those who made comments on Twitter. I was looking forward to hearing Auldheid though I found him less forthcoming than I’d expected (in the nicest possible way, of course). I look forward to hearing more from him in future editions, especially around Res. 12 and SFA reconstruction.

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upthehoopsPosted on7:08 am - Jun 18, 2015


Once again the media propaganda machine clicks into gear on behalf of Rangers. Today’s Daily Record contains front and back page news that a player with the track record below is in Glasgow to ‘thrash out’ a contract with Rangers. Any stories that Birmingham are not signing this guy because of a medical problem are rubbish, because the Daily Record tells us so. Who told them I wonder 🙄

Anyway, with respect to Rob Keirnan, this sort of reporting does no one any good at all. Perspective is clearly a word not available anywhere in the Daily Record’s vocabulary. Here is his playing record. You decide.

2008–2011 Watford 2 (0)
2010 → Kilmarnock (loan) 4 (0)
2010 → Yeovil Town (loan) 3 (0)
2010–2011 → Bradford City (loan) 8 (0)
2011 → Wycombe Wanderers (loan) 2 (0)
2011 Wigan Athletic 29 (1)
2012 Accrington Stanley (loan) 3 (0)
2012 Burton Albion (loan) 6 (0)
2012–2013 Brentford (loan) 8 (0)
2013 Southend United (loan) 12 (0)
2015 Birmingham City (loan) 12 (1)

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tcup 2012Posted on7:44 am - Jun 18, 2015


Resin_lab_dog on June 18, 2015 at 1:14 am
essexbeancounter says:
Member: (210 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 10:05 pm
StevieBC says:
Member: (732 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm
OK, how’s this for a ‘curve ball’.

King has no money, [alleged BDO payout notwithstanding].

=====================
Stevie…that would give rise to the situation where both would be acting as “shadow directors”…
=====================
Absolutely ebc !

And it is interesting to read in the English MSM, that whilst Ashley has recently stepped down from the NUFC Board, he is still regarded as being the ‘man in power’.

_______________________________________________

Ties in with the Alan Partridge, sorry , I mean Pardew departure.
exit from the Toon seems to be a strategic exercise.
I think Mike may actually have great things planned for the bears:

Wot if:

Mash was trying to exit NUFC because it had run its course: No cost effective European Route via EPL?.
To much off an inflating bubble.
Whereas Scotland was a bubble that had just ‘burst’ with champions league slots up for grabs.
Mash GENUINELY saw RIFC as an opportunity: Onerous contracts were chicken feed to him. Planned on exiting NUFC anyway, thereby dealing with the dual club problem?
Player loans genuinely seen as a leg up for TRFC, rather than a £MASH cash grab from the skint club. (The only money in there was his anyway ffs!)

Scotland always a cheaper way into Europe than EPL.
EU wide Sports direct advertising hoarding for – £10m a year sustaining loss. Each loss covered by Mash Loans, ensuring that by this time in 10 years Mash effectively mortgages everything blue in Glasgow west of Broomloan while bears buying shirts pay the cost of the money SDH lends to keep RIFC running.
The question is: if this wasn’t his plan all along, why wasn’t some enterprising genuine bear fan pitching it to him on a quid pro quo basis? Hardly rocket science!!!

I think if the SFA had let him increase his shareholding, the bears may have been happier than they are now.
I think King probably dropped the biggest B*llock in the TRFC saga since jacko hailed the motherwell born billionaire.

Who knows?

Real Rangers men, eh?
On the basis of available evidence: they couldn’t run an egg and spoon race!

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Have to disagree

Without CL money TRFC are a burst ball
With CL money they are break even at best
The running costs of Ibrox ect equal a set of lead boots

Also to get into the CL the players wages ect would drag them down as well.

Getting to Europa League would never be enough to justify the outlay and certainly not enough for the fans (they would demand CL)

Getting to CL would just paper the cracks and fans would demand bigger signings Not just to qualify but to advance

There is no money to be made from the team except shirt sales
And good luck with that Ashley has already been demonized and that now will never change in the eyes of the bears

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Paulmac2Posted on7:53 am - Jun 18, 2015


upthehoops says:
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As I said a few days…(but had it removed?)…their lack of cash leaves them with the following options…Loanees…free agents…rejects and trialists…their budget does not allow for anything else…

Each new face will be greated with a triumphalist welcome as though some magnificent alchemist has just discovered how everything he touches turns into M&M’s…’Awesome’

Please do not forget..the SMSM have a free run at the moment…no games…they can say what they like…they have season tickets to punt you know!

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wottpiPosted on8:13 am - Jun 18, 2015


Re Rob Kiernan, not wanting to be disparaging of the young lad just trying to make a living in the game but he seems a bit of a Tommy Docherty (“I’ve had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus.” ) and as per a comment on the Scotsman board he has had more loans than the club he is looking to join.

The other strange thing is that the list used by UTH comes from Wiki and has Kiernan’s highlight as having played 29 games for EPL Wigan in 2011. However the Wikipage says

“At the end of the 2010–11 season, Kiernan rejected Watford’s offer of a new two-year contract; the “slightly reduced” terms offered entitled him to leave the club without compensation becoming payable by his next employer. He signed for Premier League club Wigan Athletic, In March 2012, having failed to feature in Wigan’s first team, Kiernan joined League Two Accrington Stanley on loan for the remainder of the season”

There is certainly no mention of the lad in Wigan’s 1st team squad or him getting a big game appearance in that year.

Therefore what are these 29 games? They seem to be when Wigan were on a downwards spiral towards League One.

The lad may have something and good luck to him but is hardly coming across as the type of player that is going to set the heather alight.

I’d say it was a fair indicator of what is to come in terms of signings.
If the cash is available then maybe one of two biggish names but other than that scouring the lower leagues for overlooked youngish ‘potentials’ available on freebies or low fees along with some loan deals.

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high beeswaxPosted on8:14 am - Jun 18, 2015


WATP …. nicola s should remove the letter p from the ‘ scots’ alphabet and substitute L….. WATL…. We are total loonies… or to the rest of us What are they like…..

it was only weeks ago that ‘ the greatest interim chair’ in world football was telling all that five BARGAIN loan players should never have been signed without a medical and now its reported they want to sign a guy that has FAILED a medical……..

The Two Ronnies at their absolute peak never got anywhere near the heights of this govan comedy clumpany…..

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TartanwulverPosted on8:27 am - Jun 18, 2015


high beeswax says:
June 18, 2015 at 8:14 am

it was only weeks ago that ‘ the greatest interim chair’ in world football was telling all that five BARGAIN loan players should never have been signed without a medical and now its reported they want to sign a guy that has FAILED a medical……..
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The self delusion has reached a very high level (level 5 in all probablility)…I read a TRFC supporter’s comment that the word was that Kiernan DELIBERATELY failed his medical with Birmingham when he heard the Ibroxians were interested in him. Magic stuff.

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Matty RothPosted on8:52 am - Jun 18, 2015


scapaflow says:
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RIFC is where all the power is, TRFC is the Subbuteo set.

Essescbeancounter

You may have spotted yet another world record for Rangers, the company where the alleged shadow directors, often appears to out number the corporeal ones. This is turning into a job for Buffy!

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This was my thinking as well.

TRFC is the board for appointees who are necessary for the day to day running of a football club. Or at least to cover the bare minimum of a Finance Director, Managing Director, Club Secretary and so on. These are either skilled employees or simply mopes put in place to give the appearance of a skilled team of directors.

For example, the former director of another Scottish club who the Media didn’t even know existed a week ago would be placed on the TRFC board. He’s “outer circle” and there to give a little organisation and a lot of appearance of organisation to the dysfunctional club.

While hangers on (some with no discernable skills at all), who are clearly those within the “inner circle” are appointed willy nilly to the RIFC board. Where I assume access to the real corporate information is available unlike the information available to the TRFC puppets.

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