Spot the difference?

Bybroganrogantrevinoandhogan

Spot the difference?

Good Afternoon.

Announcing outstanding financial successes for Rangers PLC the then Chairman of the club opened his Chairman’s report in the annual financial statements with the following words:

“Last summer I explained that the Club, after many years of significant investment in our playing squad
and more recently in our state of the art facility at Murray Park, had embarked on a three year business
plan to stabilise and improve the Club’s finances. The plan also recognised the need to react to the
challenging economic conditions facing football clubs around the world.

Following a trend over a number of years of increasing year on year losses, I am pleased to report that
in the first year of this plan we have made important progress by reversing this trend. Our trading loss
for last year of £11.2m reflects a £7.9m improvement versus the £19.1m loss for the previous year and
although it will take more time to completely reach our goals, this is a key milestone. We also intend to
make significant further progress by the end of the current financial year. This improvement is the
consequence of having a solid strategy and the commitment and energy to implement the changes it requires”

Later on in the same statement the chairman would add:

“Another key part of our plan is associated with the Rangers brand and our Retail Division goes from strength to strength. Our financial results this year have been significantly enhanced by an outstanding performance in merchandising Rangers products, in particular replica kit, which makes our Retail Division one of the most successful in Europe.”

In the same set of financial reports, the CEO would report:

“To further strengthen Rangers hospitality portfolio, a new dedicated sponsor’s lounge was unveiled this season. The Carling Lounge is a first for the Club and was developed in conjunction with our new sponsor, Carling. ”

and

“Our innovative events programme continues to grow and this year saw a record number of official events including the highly successful annual Hall of Fame Awards Ceremony, Player of the Year and 50 Championships Gala Dinner, all of which catered for up to 1000 guests.

At Rangers, we continually develop our portfolio of products and as a key area of income for the Club, we evaluate the market for new revenue opportunities on an ongoing basis in order to exceed our existing and potential customer expectations and needs.

Demand for season tickets reached an all time high last season with a record 42,508 season ticket holders in comparison with the previous season`s figure of 40,320. Over 36,000 of these season ticket holders renewed for this season – a record number.

For the new season, we are delighted to welcome brewing giant, Carling on board as our Official Club sponsor. Carling is one of the UK’s leading consumer brands with a proven track record in football sponsorship.
The Club also continues to work with a number of multinational blue chip brands such as National Car Rental, Sony Playstation 2, Bank of Scotland and Coca-Cola. This year, we will also experience the evolution of the Honda deal via Hyndland Honda and welcome the mobile communications giant T-Mobile to our ranks.”.

The year was 2003 and in the previous 24 months Rangers Football Club, owned and operated as a private fiefdom by Sir David Murray, had made operational losses of some £30 million.

Yes – 30 MILLION POUNDS.

Of course the chairman’s report for 2003 was written by John F Mclelland CBE and the CEO was one Martin Bain Esq.

As Mr Mclelland clearly stated, by 2003 the club already had a trend of increasing year on year losses covering a number of years and was losing annual sums which stretched into millions, if not tens of millions, of pounds.

However, the acquisition of Rangers Football Club was absolutely vital to David Murray’s personal business growth, and his complete control of the club as his own private business key was more important than any other business decision he had made before buying Rangers or since.

When he persuaded Gavin Masterton to finance 100% of the purchase price of the club, Murray had his finest business moment.

By getting control of Rangers, Murray was able to offer entertainment, hospitality, seeming privilege and bestow favour on others in a way that was hitherto undreamed of, and he bestowed that largesse on any number of “existing and potential clients” and contacts – be they the clients and contacts related to Rangers Football Club or the existing and potential clients of David Murray, his businesses, his banks, or anyone in any field that he chose to court for the purposes of potential business.

His business.

It wasn’t only journalists who benefited from the succulent lamb treatment.

Accountants,lawyers, surveyors, broadcasters, football officials, people in industry and construction, utilities, financiers and other areas of business were all invited inside the sacred House of Murray and given access to the great man of business “and owner of Rangers” while attending the “record number of official (hospitality) events”.

Twelve months on from when John McLelland made those statements in the 2003 accounts, David Murray was back in the chair at Ibrox and he presented the 2004 financials.

In the intervening 12 months Rangers had gained an additional £10 million from Champions League income and had received £8.6 million in transfer fees from the sale of Messrs Ferguson, Amoruso and McCann. Not only that, the Rangers board had managed to reduce the club’s wage bill by £5 million. Taking all three figures together comes to some £23.6 million in extra income or savings.

Yet, the accounts for 2004 showed that the club made an operational loss of almost £6 million and overall debt had risen by an additional £7 million to £97.4 million.

However, the 2004 accounts were also interesting for another reason.

Rangers PLC had introduced payments “to employees trusts” into their accounts for the first time in 2001 and in that year they had paid £1million into those trusts. Just three years later, the trust payments recorded in the accounts had risen to £7.3 million per annum — or to put it another way to 25% of the annual wage bill though no one in Scottish Football asked any questions about that!

By the following year, the chairman announced that the 2004 operational loss had in fact been £10.4million but that the good news was that the 2005 operational loss was only £7.8 million. However Rangers were able to post a profit before taxation if they included the money obtained from transfers (£8.4 million) and the inclusion of an extraordinary profit of £14,999,999 made on buying back the shares of a subsidiary company for £1 which they had previously sold for £15 million.

All of which added up to a whopping great profit of ……… £12.4 million!

I will leave you to do the maths on 2005.

Oh and of course these accounts included the detail that 3000 Rangers fans had joined David Murray in participating in the November ’94 share issue where the club managed to raise £51,430,995 in fresh capital most of which was provided by Mr Murray… sorry I mean MIH ….. sorry that should read Bank of Scotland …… or their shareholders……. or should that be the public purse?

The notable items in the 2006 accounts included the announcement of a ten year deal with JJB Sports to take over the merchandising operation of the club and increased revenue from an extended run in the Champion’s League. However, the profit before tax was declared at only£0.1 million in comparison to the £12.4 million of the year before but then again that £12.4 million had included player sales of £8.4 million and the £15 million sweety bonus from  the repurchase of ones own former subsidiary shares for £1.

Jumping to 2008 Rangers saw a record year in terms of turnover which had risen to £64.5 million which enabled the company to record a profit on ordinary activities before taxation of  £6.57 million although it should be pointed out that wages and bonuses were up at 77% of turnover and that a big factor in the Rangers income stream was corporate hospitality and the top line of income was shown as “gate receipts and hospitality”.

However, 2009 saw a calamitous set of figures. Whilst Alastair Johnston tried to put a brave chairman’s face on it, the year saw an operating loss of £17.325 million which was softened only by player disposals leading to a loss before taxation of a mere £14.085 million.

Fortunately Sir David did not have to report these figures as he chose to stand down as chairman in August and so Johnston stepped in and announced that he was deeply honoured to do so.

In 2010, the income stream jumped from £39.7 million to over £56 million with the result that the club showed a profit before taxation of £4.209 million.

However, by that time the corporate hospitality ticket that was Rangers Football Club was done for as a result of matters that had nothing to do with events on the football field in the main.

First, the emergence of the Fergus McCann run Celtic had brought a real business and sporting challenge. This was something that Murray had not previously faced in the football business.

Second,the Bank of Scotland had gone bust and Lloyds could not and would not allow Murray to continually borrow vast sums of money on the basis of revalued assets and outrageous hospitality.

Third, the UEFA fair play rules came into being and demanded that clubs at least act on a semblance of proper corporate governance and fiscal propriety.

Lastly,Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs tightened up the law on the use of EBT’s which meant that Rangers could no longer afford to buy in the players that brought almost guaranteed success against domestic opposition.

On average, since 2002 Rangers PLC had lost between £7 million – £8 million per year – or roughly £650,000 per month if you like – yet for the better part of a decade David Murray had been able to persuade the Bank of Scotland that this was a business that was worthy of ever greater financial support or that he himself and his MIH business was of such value that the Banks should support him in supporting the Ibrox club whilst operating in this fashion.

Of course, had Murray’s Rangers paid tax on all player remunerations then the losses would have been far larger.

Meanwhile, all the other clubs in Scottish football who banked with the Bank of Scotland faced funding cuts and demands for repayment with the bank publicly proclaiming that it was overexposed to the football market in Scotland.

But no one asked any questions about why the bank should act one way with Murray’s club but another way with all others. No one in football, no one in the media and no one from the world of business.

Looking back,it is hard to imagine a business which has been run on such a consistent loss making basis being allowed to continue by either its owners or by its bankers. However, a successful and funded Rangers was so important to the Murray group that David Murray was clearly willing to lose millions year after year to keep the Gala dinners and corporate hospitality going.

Rangers were Murray’s big PR vehicle and the club was essentially used by him to open the doors which would allow him to make more money elsewhere on a personal basis and if it meant Rangers cutting every corner and accumulating massive losses, unsustainable losses, then so be it.

Today, the new regime at Ibrox run the current business in a way which clocks up the same colossal annual losses whilst the club competes outwith Scotland’s top division. Each day we hear that the wage bill is unsustainable, that the playing staff are overpaid, that the stadium needs massive investment and that the fans are opposed to the stadium itself being mortgaged and the club being in hawk to lenders.

Yet, in the Murray era the Stadium was revalued time and time again and its revaluation was used as the justification for ever greater borrowing on the Rangers accounts. The playing staff were massively overpaid and financially assisted by the EBT’s and most years the Chairman’s annual statement announced huge losses despite regular claims of record season ticket sales, record hospitality income, European income, shirt sponsorship and the outsourcing of all merchandising to JJB sports instead of Sports Direct.

The comparison between the old business and the current one is clear for all to see.

It should be noted, that since the days of Murray, no major banking institution has agreed to provide the Ibrox business with any banking facilities. Not under Whyte, not under Green, not under anyone.

Yet few ask why that should be.

The destruction of the old Rangers business led those in charge of Scottish football to announce that Armageddon was on the horizon if it had not actually arrived, yet today virtually all Scottish clubs are in a better financial and business state than back in the bad old days of the Bank of Scotland financed SPL. Some have succumbed to insolvency, and others have simply cut their cloth, changed their structure, sought, and in some cases attracted, new owners and moved on in terms of business.

In general, Scottish Football has cleaned house at club level.

Now, David Murray has “cleaned house” in that MIH has bitten the dust and walked down insolvency road.

What is interesting is that the Murray brand still has that capacity to get out a good PR message when it needs to. Despite the MIH pension fund being short of money for some inexplicable reason, last week it was announced that the family controlled Murray Estates had approached those in charge of MIH and had agreed to buy some key MIH assets for something in the region of £13.9 million.

The assets concerned are land banks which at some point will be zoned for planning and which will undoubtedly bring the Murray family considerable profit in the future, with some of those assets already looking as if they will produce a return sooner rather than later.

However, what is not commented upon in the mainstream press is the fact that Murray Estates had the ability to pay £13.9 Million for anything at all and that having that amount of money to spend the Murray camp has chosen not to buy any football club down Govan way.

Perhaps, it has been realised that a football club which loses millions of pounds each year is not such a shrewd investment and that the Murray family money would be better spent elsewhere?

Perhaps, it has been realised that the culture of wining, dining, partying and entertaining to the most lavish and extravagant extent will not result in the banks opening their vaults any more?

Perhaps, it has been realised that the Rangers brand has been so badly damaged over the years that it is no longer the key to the golden door in terms of business, finance and banking and that running a football club in 2015 involves a discipline and a set of skills that David Murray and his team do not have experience of?

What is clear, is that the Murray years at Ibrox were not good for the average Rangers fan in the long term and that when you have a football club – any football club – being run for the private benefit of one rich individual, or group of individuals, then the feelings and passions of the ordinary fan will as often as not be forgotten when that individual or his group choose to move on once they have decided that they no longer wish to play with their toy football club.

David Murray did not make money directly out of Rangers Football Club. He used it as a key to open other doors for him and to get him a seat at other tables and into a different type of “club” altogether. He did not run the club in a day to day fashion that was designed to bring stability and prolonged financial, or playing, success to the club. its investors and its fans. He did not preside over Ibrox during a period of sustained financial gain.

Mike Ashley will not subsidise 2015 version of Rangers to anything like the same extent that the Bank of Scotland did in the 90’s and naughties.

However, Ashley, like Murray, will use his control of the Rangers brand to open doors for him elsewhere in the sports retail market, and he will use the Rangers contract with Sports Direct to make a handsome profit. He will also control all the advertising revenue just as he does at Newcastle. In short, Mr Ashley is only interested in The Rangers with a view to using it as a stepping stone to achieve other things elsewhere.

However, don’t take my word for any of this, take the opinion of someone who knows.

Mr Dave King is quoted today as saying the following about the current board of Directors who are in charge of the current Ibrox holding company.

“History will judge this board as one of the worst the club has ever had. There is not one individual who puts the club above personal interest.”

That is an interesting observation from a man who became a non executive director of the old Rangers holding company in 2000 and who had a front row pew for every set of accounts and all the financial statements referred to above.

Whether or not Mr King is a glib and shameless liar is a matter of South African judicial opinion. Whether or not he can spot someone who puts their own self interest ahead of the interests of Rangers Football Club and the supporters of the club is a matter that should be discussed over some fine wine, some succulent lamb and whatever postprandial entertainment you care to imagine.

I wonder if he has ever read the accounts of Rangers PLC and compared them to the corresponding accounts of MIH for the same period?

 

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4,992 Comments so far

Shuggy Duffle CoatPosted on5:16 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Long time lurker and appreciater (probably not a word) of the site. Keep up the good work, hands down the best available online resource for Scottish Football, cap doffed.

With regards the ‘h*n’ debate, does anybody of a similar vintage as I not remember such a thing as a ‘h*n burger’ being sold at Ibrox? Mind could be playing tricks on me but think both Celtic and Rangers indulged in naming some stadium foods after their affiliations. Late 80s maybe early 90s? That being the case the term was certainly softer back then. As someone mentioned before, have always saw the H word as the makeweight for ‘Tim’ and nothing more. Certainly not aligned to any derogatory religious connotation anyway.

My two cents.

Back to lurking.

Keep fighting the good fight guys.

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SmugasPosted on5:20 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Barca,

Don’t doubt your figures in the slightest.

Not convinced Ashley will be demanding his money back though. He doesn’t need it and King doesn’t appear to be able to pay it so his loans would remain, his contracts would remain and he would enjoys the proceeds of the ST bounce (regardless of league btw, that was the old board’s fault and isn’t decided yet in any case) that Kings involvement will, however temporarily, bring.

I don’t see a downside to him of remaining involved, well no more than I do for him at present, so King might, in the absence of his favourite OPM, be forced to work alongside him.

Assuming he’s allowed in the door of course!

EDIT: Just in case Mr King is reading, that is not to say that Mr Ashley is writing the loan off either. I know its a misapprehension that has been common on Edmiston Drive under previous management teams.

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on5:21 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Barca,

Costs will be reduced for 2015/16 simply by the fact that 12 players are out of contract (including Boyd, Miller, Moshni, McCulloch, Foster, Daly, Faure, Black, Smith, Hutton & Simonsen) at the end of this season. Their salaries, in total, must be about £2m, perhaps more, & there’s the club’s contribution to social taxes (!!!) as employer on top of basic salary costs. McCoist & McDowell’s costs won’t run the full year either, so perhaps another £0.5m less there.

Whoever wins the day, RRM or pragmatist, will surely not authorise the signing of a further 12 players at the same salary level, or indeed maintain a playing squad of about 55.

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StevieBCPosted on5:22 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Barcabhoy says:
February 27, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Something for RIFC shareholders to ponder before they vote for high risk and mediocrity…
The question shareholders should ask King before they vote is will he and others invest £30 million…
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Yes, Bb but the bears will be expecting McColl to throw some of his millions into the hat…
That’s how the bears would interpret his recent public comments in support of King ?
But no, there’s no way he’ll splash his own cash.

I don’t get it either.
If King is appointed onto the board, nothing is going to change for the bears e.g. on the pitch.
Well, generally it could get a lot worse before it gets better down Ibrox way with King in charge, IMO.

And will the bears be very patient, and very generous with their own cash…? 🙄

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upthehoopsPosted on5:24 pm - Feb 27, 2015


tayred says:
February 27, 2015 at 8:51 am
upthehoops says:
February 27, 2015 at 7:23 am

My concern is the media equating an idiot setting off a flare with thousands of idiots indulging in racist and sectarian chanting. That is what this is mostly about.

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Lots of sympathy with the sentiment there. But two wrongs don’t make a right.
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I never tried to say that. For the record my views on the flare offender(s) last night is that they don’t care one bit about the club they were there to support. They are idiots and they are going to eventually bring a serious punishment on the club.

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StevieBCPosted on5:28 pm - Feb 27, 2015


There is simply no place at all for flares in football.

…same goes for platform shoes.

So 1970’s… 😕

[The old ones are the best.]

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Big PinkPosted on5:39 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Tayred

The use of the word predates 1972 and Barcelona. It was used in the 60’s, when I first heard the “go home…” chant.
I always equated it to the loyalist element’s love of the Hanoverian royals – and since the word was a WWI term (presumably not of endearment) to signify the Germans….. well join the dots.

If my memory is correct, I think RFC fans used it (in the 60s)as an epithet for Celtic supporters, but it quickly became associated exclusively with Rangers. As far as it being a sectarian insult, all of my RFC supporting pals would answer to the term without taking any offence. Tims and H*ns were quick way of identifying who your big team was 🙂

I’d go further and say that the term “Bear” was not used at all to describe RFC fans before the rush began to take offence at the “H” word – around twenty years ago.

To be fair, it is a derogatory term. It was intended to be (I think), and I was convinced by the argument that sufficient people were insulted by it to ban it on the Celtic IRC channel in 2001.

You can imagine how popular that made me with the Tims (can we still say that?) who – to be fair to them – didn’t have any other names they could use 🙂

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scapaflowPosted on5:40 pm - Feb 27, 2015


upthehoops says:
February 27, 2015 at 5:24 pm

In many respects its akin to the arguments over the song books. There have been a number of well argued posts, describing the differences between them. Whatever the merits, these nuanced arguments are completely lost on our non-footballing fellow citizens.

All they see is behaviour that should be consigned to the past.

Its not just the footballing authorities who have a requirement to change their attitudes, we fans have the same responsibility

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GoosyGoosyPosted on5:42 pm - Feb 27, 2015


StevieBC says:
February 27, 2015 at 5:28 pm
There is simply no place at all for flares in football.
…same goes for platform shoes.

[The old ones are the best.]
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Like

whats the Man from Laramie got in common with Lewis`s (Argyll St) ?
….they both had a flare for Ladies

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wottpiPosted on5:43 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Barcabhoy says:
February 27, 2015 at 5:01 pm

Re increase in ticket revenue don;t be surprised if some poster ticks you of for forgetting the VAT 🙂 They always do that to me!!

Also you forget that if Peter Lawwell is to be believed T’Rangers back where they belong will give Celtic another £10m per annum.

It is however not clear if T’Rangers, in their ongoing crisis mode, would manage to secure the same uplift. Therefore when trying to be like for like with Celtic they may be a good few million short on that figure alone.

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EKBhoyPosted on5:47 pm - Feb 27, 2015


There are some things in this life which are not meant to change and one of this is for the Rangers fans to regular abuse their fellow Scots; they used to enjoy continuing this abuse into the workplace and encourage outrageous employment practices …….
These stuck in the past relics however exist at either end of social spectrum, the Blazers just can’t well help themselves , all the clubs know this and they all know that if they vote for draconian sanctions re “singing” then one club will never ever be sanctioned and it will be a dead heat between Celtic and Hearts as to who looses points firsts ……..
……….. My advice is if you encounter such a “singer” , when they are not singing is to express sorry at their lack of humanity and offer to pray for them …… the gene pool for these idiots is reducing , however this means the ones left are truly odious

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mungoboyPosted on5:52 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Tayred,

You were asking before about the origin and usage of the word h*n in relation to our chums across the city.

I started going to fitba in the early 60s and it was in use then.

My theory as to the origin, and I stress it’s only MY theory, is that it comes from their slavish loyalty to the British Royal Family.
At the time of the First World War all things Germanic were referred to by the derogatory and generic name,’h*n’.

Our beloved Monarchs at the time realised that being a Saxe-Coburg or a Battenberg might not be a good idea so quickly morphed into the Windsors and the Mountbattens.

Thus, as devout and loyal subjects of our Germanic Royal Family, our chums acquired the soubriquet ‘h*n’.

So maybe we can leave Atilla out of this one.

As I said, only my theory but if anyone else knows anything feel free to comment.

BTW it certainly doesn’t relate to a religious belief, IMO

PS just saw Big Pink’s comments about the Hanoverians!

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easyJamboPosted on6:26 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Big Pink says: February 27, 2015 at 5:39 pm

If my memory is correct, I think RFC fans used it (in the 60s)as an epithet for Celtic supporters, but it quickly became associated exclusively with Rangers.
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I’m glad you mentioned that it was also used to describe Celtic fans in the 60s.

That confirms how I recall first hearing the term in the early/mid 60s, although my friends still insist that it was only used against Rangers fans.

My recollection was that it was used when both Rangers and Celtic fans headed for the exits in the last few minutes of games they were on the way to losing (more recently superseded by “cheerio cheerio cheerio”).

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justshateredPosted on6:56 pm - Feb 27, 2015


jambocol1874 says:
February 27, 2015 at 6:56 am

While we have bigger issues than a flare being set off, it was a relevant question considering Celtic’s recent Uefa sanction.

When would the correct moment be?

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You are correct of course regarding the question of flares however the point I was, perhaps clumsily, trying to make was the excuse given by the media in Scotland for NOT asking questions about certain singing issues is that ‘they were too engrossed in the match’. That is their standard defence or default position. None of the assemble media hear anything because they are so caught up in the match. Now not only are the not engrossed in the match but they can casually cast their eye around, what I’m told, is a massive stadium. The way the question was asked I thought the reporter was going to quote section, row, and seat number.

While not condoning the action of the flare I would be interested to find out how many clubs have been fined for such breaches. I remember watching Spurs, I think, play in Switzerland two years ago and when the home team scored it was not one or two but about fifteen flares went off. Now I do not know if that team was reported. It may be that specific attention is given to clubs that have previous.

Not withstanding the possibility of fire, these things pose a serious risk for people with breathing difficulties such as asthma. The thing about the flare is that it is clear that it is a minority and why they cannot be identified to me is the more sinister aspect. There must be someone who knows the culprit.

You are correct, the question should be asked.
I only wish that our media were as good at asking other important questions from other clubs, sorry companies.

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yakutsukiPosted on7:10 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Re the great H@n debate. My understanding is the same as Big Pink’s. My old fella and my Uncles told me that RFC used the term to describe CFC fans but it seemed to stick longer with the Govan mob.

I can’t remember the term ‘Bear’ being used by any of the RFC fanatics at my school. They had plenty of names for me though!

I always thought that term came from the mid to late 70’s when Celtic fans sang ‘We’ll follow the Bhoys, the Glasgow Celtic, the Timaloys.’ Then out of nowhere it seemed, the Gers fans had their own version and there wasn’t many things that would rhyme with ‘Follow the Gers.’

that’s my memory of events anyway. Could well be wrong. I did go to school with a lot of them though. I could write a book about the sectarian abuse I took. (I was always a defiant kind of guy right enough! lol) maybe brought it on myself?

PS, my Uncles used to come home singing ‘Follow,follow Celtic!’ I also heard the Celtic crowd singing it in an odl 60’s clip. How times change.

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coineanachantaighePosted on7:18 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Danish Pastry says:
February 27, 2015 at 3:59 pm
Quite bizarre conversation between some of the usual suspects on twitter now attemptng to re-classify the ‘H’ word (it rhymes with ‘fun’) as a sectarian term 😯 You can see where they’re going with this.
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I suppose this might have been once a term hurled by both sides (and others) and would guess the meaning would be “the enemy” as the h..ns were our enemy in two wars.

At least I guess that because I was dragged to a Rangers game when I was young (long, long time ago but I can still remember) and he was embarrassed (as I was shocked, being more naive about football in these days) at the singing on public transport of:
“If I had a tommy gun; I’d shoot every fenian H-word; just for walking on the Queen’s highway.” (Apologies for that but felt needed the quote for context)

Of course they may have appropriated it just for that song for the sake of the rhyme.

Since then I think I’ve only heard it applied to Rangers’ supporters and I always assumed it referred to their strong support of the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (with of course the dig that the huns were once the traditional enemy of this country).
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Interestingly the blog lets me type “fenian”but not “H-word” .. if you see what I mean.

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essexbeancounterPosted on7:29 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Barcabhoy says:
February 27, 2015 at 5:01 pm

Something for RIFC shareholders to ponder before they vote for high risk and mediocrity (my edit)……The question shareholders should ask King before they vote is will he and others invest £30 million to end up with a situation where they spend £5 for every £10 Celtic spend, all as Celtic continue to make significant profits with the ability to increase the budget any time they want ?
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Barcabhoy…that is a truly frightening scenario…just as well Mr King is not, after all a CA, but hold on, his mate Paul Murray is…all is well then… 👿 👿

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on7:32 pm - Feb 27, 2015


coineanachantaighe says:
February 27, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Danish Pastry says:
February 27, 2015 at 3:59 pm
Quite bizarre conversation between some of the usual suspects on twitter now attemptng to re-classify the ‘H’ word (it rhymes with ‘fun’) as a sectarian term 😯 You can see where they’re going with this.
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I suppose this might have been once a term hurled by both sides (and others) and would guess the meaning would be “the enemy” as the h..ns were our enemy in two wars

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Was the term not a send up based on a pre-war match played at Ibrox against a German team, and an anachronistic photograph thereat at which the Scots players (as well as the Germans) were seen to be giving the Nazi salute?

Doubtless this was a warm and well intentioned diplomatic sporting gesture at the time, since this was pre-war and the salute would have ranked as a polite tribute to their opponents, rather than carrying the unfortunate and sinsiter fascist connotations that soon followed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Given the ‘loyalty’ that elements of the Ibrox club have historically espoused and sought to express, the opportunity for ribbing on the basis of the bathos of this (with hindsight) seemingly treacherous spectacle at their spiritual home, (whether such ribbing was good or ill natured) was not somethig that their opponents were going to pass up lightly.

Hence the moniker.

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Danish PastryPosted on7:38 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Many have mentioned it already, and the specific association of the Ibrox faithful with the H word is not anything I remember either. Also have a recollection of the ‘Go home ya H***’ refrain being sung by many. Chap on twitter was displaying images of the H word in graffitti in the northern part of Ireland. Irresponsible, and total certified whataboutery bonkers using those images in a discussion about Scottish football and sectarianism, imo.

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ianagainPosted on7:41 pm - Feb 27, 2015


For those interested in club GMs heres the ‘wells.

Motherwell Football Club held its 109th Annual General Meeting (AGM) on Thursday night where the accounts for the 2013-14 season were presented to shareholders.

The new-look board of directors updated shareholders on recent changes at the club following on from Les Hutchison’s acquisition of John Boyle’s majority shareholding, which include ongoing improvements in scouting, physical fitness and performance, and planned developments in sales and marketing.

Manager Ian Baraclough, who succeeded Stuart McCall in mid-December, explained there would be a greater emphasis on developing young players next season as part of the drive to make the club financially self-sufficient.

Chairman Brian McCafferty outlined the ambition to further develop the mutual benefits brought about by even stronger links between the club and the community as he highlighted the work done by the Motherwell FC Community Trust in touching the lives of 35,000 people each year, and stressed the need for more supporters to join the Well Society.

General manager Alan Burrows outlined plans to give supporters greater value for money in their match day experience.

The club made a loss on ordinary activities before taxation of £184,854 in the 12 months to May 31, 2014 – an almost identical figure to the previous season.

Although the club finished second in the Scottish Premiership, factors including the ongoing lack of an SPFL sponsor, disappointing cup performances, a high medical bill and a £350,000 fall in gate receipts, all contributed to another annual loss.

Turnover was about £4.5million, down from £4.9million while transfer income was £302,500 – up from £108,500.

Staff costs were down £160,000, while gate receipts fell more than £350,000 to £1.31million.

Sponsorship/advertising income, broadcasting rights and commercial income were all very similar to the previous season but UEFA prize money was down a quarter to £311,000. Other income rose slightly to £743,000.

In an extract from the report of the directors, Derek Weir wrote: “As we have said in previous reports, our target each year is to break even. Our higher than budgeted league position did generate higher than forecast prize money but once again the distributions from the SPFL were lower than hoped for due to the lack of a title sponsor. Our inability to generate any meaningful revenue from cup competitions, combined with a significant medical bill, as a result of 12 player operations, more than compensated for the additional place money, leading to a loss of £184,854.

“Following last year’s successful league campaign and with Rangers, Hearts and Hibs all playing in the Championship, we agreed to retain Stuart’s player wage budget at the same level for the third successive season, in the hope that we would be able to build further on the success. Contrary to what is often reported, we did not reduce budgets every year and maintained a squad firmly aimed at achieving a top six finish. Following a seriously disappointing exit from the Europa League in Iceland, elimination from both domestic cup competitions in the first round and a realisation that a top six league position was highly unlikely, it was clear to the board that a fresh injection of funds was going to be required. The position was made worse by reduced season ticket and commercial revenues, despite last season’s successful league campaign.

“The Well Society were already in discussion with Les Hutchison on their own fund raising ventures and plans for the club. These discussions evolved to the point that Les agreed to make a sizeable, interest-free loan to the club and facilitate the transition of ownership from John Boyle to the Well Society. The transfer is dependent on the club and Society repaying Les’ loan. I am happy to report the transfer of shares from John to Les took place on 30th January 2015 and the loan funds are available to the club. In addition the Well Society has continued to support the club with loans and we remain extremely grateful to the Society board and membership. Les’ extensive business experience and strong desire to support the local community will be hugely beneficial to the club and his involvement is greatly welcomed.

“His aim is to help the Well Society achieve ownership and it is important that all fans get behind this initiative.”

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ianagainPosted on7:44 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Compare and contrast

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MaBawPosted on7:45 pm - Feb 27, 2015


I think Scotland has come a long way in the last 30 years but we still have an issue predominantly in the west of Scotland. As with all change, you are left with a hard core who will dig in against any change. Celtic have it with the few eejits who think its an outlet for their outdated political views and Rangers with their choir.

The times are changing but the rules need to be enforced to ensure the remaining hard core change or leave the game. Hit the clubs for there fans behavior home and away.

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scapaflowPosted on7:46 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Resin_lab_dog says:
February 27, 2015 at 7:32 pm

You pays your money and you takes your choice. As a kid, it was explained to me that the term originated with players who dodged the call up in WW2, and in the parlance of the times were seen to be no better than the —s.

Its origins are not really the point, I don’t use it and I wish others wouldn’t either. Apart from anything else, it just opens up yet more whataboutery.

Football needs to change, part of what is keeping football stuck in a timewarp, is the perception that this culture can be exploited to make money, we can put an end to that by changing the culture, by ditching this stuff, if we have the will.

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ulyanovaPosted on7:49 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Big Pink says:
February 27, 2015 at 5:39 pm

I’d go further and say that the term “Bear” was not used at all to describe RFC fans before the rush began to take offence at the “H” word – around twenty years ago.

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On first reading I agreed with this.

As a Border Jambo the first time I came across Rangers fans en masse (oops) outside Tynecastle and Ibrox was in my university days in Sheepland. They called themselves ‘Bears’ then.

This was 1974. In my mind not that long ago but…

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HamerdoonPosted on7:49 pm - Feb 27, 2015


I don’t know what it is. It doesn’t feel like anger, yet it sort of does. It’s not bewilderment, but it sort of is. It can’t be resignation, or else I wouldn’t feel whatever it is I feel. It’s not despair.

Tonight, I think is the last time I will listen to BBC Sport Sound: John Hughes ………????

If someone can explain what it is I’m experiencing, I’m all ears. But I really do think I won’t listen again. I actually think I understand how all those Easter Europeans must have felt listening to mince on the radio when under communist rule.

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essexbeancounterPosted on7:50 pm - Feb 27, 2015


again says:
February 27, 2015 at 7:41 pm
For those interested in club GMs heres the ‘wells.

Motherwell Football Club held its 109th Annual General Meeting (AGM) on Thursday night where the accounts for the 2013-14 season were presented to shareholders.
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Ianagain…thank you for the minutes/post of the ‘Well AGM…very succinct! It would appear that financial common sense is now “well” established here also.

At this rate you will be challenging the venerable (sic) John Clarke(e) as official court reporter…. 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

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Cluster OnePosted on7:54 pm - Feb 27, 2015


tayred says:

February 27, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Anyone know where/when the term h*n derives from. On one AFC fan site one guy came up with (and I hope he or indeed she, doesn’t mind me pretty much copy and pasting here)
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In 1961,rangers,travelled to wolverhampton to play wolverhampton wanderers in the european cup winners cup. Their supporters ran riot through the town destroying everything in their path. In an article appearing in the English press shortly afterwards they were described as “coming across the border like marauding hu*s” thus a term was created for the rangers.

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ianagainPosted on7:57 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Have a listen to ex Well director Andrew Wilson on the SPL Doncaster sponsorship tv deals aout 36 mins in.

https://soundcloud.com/bytheminsport/bytheminmfc-podcast-16

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ianagainPosted on8:07 pm - Feb 27, 2015


BTW credit is to MINI Jay and Busta for the MFC podcasts. Sorry guys.

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ianagainPosted on8:17 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Ianagain…thank you for the minutes/post of the ‘Well AGM…very succinct! It would appear that financial common sense is now “well” established here also.

At this rate you will be challenging the venerable (sic) John Clarke(e) as official court reporter
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Ahem

I in no way could wield a pencil (if you mind) a pencil! in the manner of a JC.
Naw different class.

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jean7brodiePosted on8:42 pm - Feb 27, 2015


It sounds like ‘the choir’ are out in strength tonight, again……

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ianagainPosted on8:57 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Jean really? hear silence possibly boredom.

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ianagainPosted on9:04 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Well that’s bizarre check it out. Pretendygers goalie fouls someone in the box. Result re take the corner.

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ianagainPosted on9:51 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Danish

How’s your very legal link to the road back looking. Mine appears foggy in the extreme.
Actually I am wandering into a scenario where the Well go straight down ~(tomorrow etc. dependent) and thinking we could well be playing this lot for our livelihood.
I’m saying its good for fitba in Scotland and if that’s what happens it will be exciting at least.
Im betting Les at the Well isn’t expecting the same.
Anyhow lets see what happens.

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Danish PastryPosted on10:07 pm - Feb 27, 2015


ianagain says:
February 27, 2015 at 9:51 pm

Danish

How’s your very legal link to the road back looking. Mine appears foggy in the extreme…
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I’m not with you Ian? Very legal link?

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ianagainPosted on10:10 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Your wee video link

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scapaflowPosted on10:35 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Falkirk will be disappointed to only get the point. I though KM’s appraisal of his sides performance was fair – Rangers weren’t very good. The crowd seemed well behaved, from what I could hear on the radio ower the internet.

Is it just me, or is WC a banker for at least one WTF moment, whenever he takes charge? :mrgreen:

The playoffs seem to be looking an ever more trickier needle for Rangers to thread

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SmugasPosted on11:15 pm - Feb 27, 2015


Not a gossip normally, …… But beckam’s on graham norton wearing a hearts tie!

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on12:37 am - Feb 28, 2015


Didn’t watch the match.

But 6 minutes of ‘Fergie’ time seems unusual to me as a ‘blind’ observer!

This is a Genuine enquiry:

Could some knowledgeable soul who saw the game enlighten me as to the likely reason for such an extension, so that the record can be set straight against those who might imply corrupt officialdom.

And any reason why was this not reflected in the BBC blow by blow commentary?

I ask this – not because I am saying the match officials might be corrupt : I genuinely hope and presume not- but because this is a good neutral forum in which to nip things in the bud and put some accusation to bed on the record and in a timely manner.

Opinions from those who saw the game please?

Was the 6 minutes of ET justified or not? And on the reasonable assumption that it was, how?

Let’s get this on the record so to speak.

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The GlenPosted on12:46 am - Feb 28, 2015


Resin_lab_dog says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:37 am
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I think that the bad head clash would have added on a fair amount of time – certainly enough to allow Falkirk to score, as they were the only team that looked like doing so.

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on12:48 am - Feb 28, 2015


Resin_lab_dog says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:37 am

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td?
I only asked.
I am not impuning the officials.
Just genuinely wondering!
Very few games go to 90 minutes +6.
Only 2 yellows.
Whay was the hold up?

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RyanGoslingPosted on12:49 am - Feb 28, 2015


Resin Lab Dog,

I’m aware that a lot of things lead people to think the worst when it comes to official decisions regarding Rangers, but if you look for conspiracy everywhere you will surely find it. As an example, (I didn’t see any of it), lots of people have said the referee in the Internazionale – Celtic game the other night was poor. Nobody said he was corrupt. If it was a game between the Glasgow teams nobody would have said he was poor, they would have said he was corrupt.

People are even suggesting that Madonna fell off the stage on purpose! Everyone knows old men fall over all the time.

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on12:50 am - Feb 28, 2015


The Glen says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:46 am

Resin_lab_dog says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:37 am
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I think that the bad head clash would have added on a fair amount of time – certainly enough to allow Falkirk to score, as they were the only team that looked like doing so.

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Thankyou TG

Perfect answer.
The record is straight.
I genuinely did not know about this.

And now anyone who would seek to impune the referee has an answer.
On the record.
We all win.

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on12:54 am - Feb 28, 2015


RyanGosling says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:49 am

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Honestly Ryan…. My aim was nipping conspiracy in the bud, not propogating it.
My question was honest and fair.
Glen’s answer was likewise.
A nasty head clash stopped play, which means addition time.
Fair play 1, Conspiracy 0

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RyanGoslingPosted on12:59 am - Feb 28, 2015


Resin Lab Dog,

Fair play, I think I took more from you’re question than was intended (I didn’t see the Rangers game either). You weren’t pointing to any conspiracy and I was wrong to jump to the conclusion that you were.

TSFM has previously pointed out here that I am occasionally over sensitive, which is a very fair point. It’s just that from my point of view I wholeheartedly view this as The Scottish Football Monitor, a neutral website where fans of Scottish football can come together to debate important goings on in the game, and I get annoyed when I see people discussing added time in Rangers games when nobody comes on to ask why there was added time in the Arbroath game. I’m not saying you did that, but that was the conclusion I jumped to, which was wrong of me.

Scottish football needs no excessive injury time for Arbroath.

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EstebanPosted on1:06 am - Feb 28, 2015


Evening all. I’m on the way home from Milan. It was fun. Celtic deserved a draw.

At Manchester Piccadilly half an hour ago, there was a loud-mouth drunk in his forties trying to impress a young lassie by shouting supposedly humorous remarks at folk as they walked past. He got more than he bargained for when he shouted at four Scottish guys in their 20s who had got off a train and were heading for the exit.

One said he was a Rangers fan, one said he was an Aberdeen fan (the English guy asked them if they were Hearts fans, don’t know why), the other two didn’t specify. The Rangers fan engaged the drunk in some banter and all was well. Then the Aberdeen fan got involved and things took a nasty turn.

He grabbed some papers out of the drunk guy’s coat pocket and threw them on the ground, mouthing off the whole time about England and English people, liberally using an expletive that begins with the third letter of the alphabet that I think you only use in England if you want someone to hit you. Maybe the Aberdeen fan didn’t know that, but he didn’t appear to care.

The Rangers fan returned to the action and asked the drunk if he was “wantin it”. His mood seemed to have changed. The other two joined in by pointing and laughing at the drunk, a very annoying person who had been trying to get a rise out of any passer-by for the ten minutes I had been waiting for my train, but it was four against one, the young lassie had seized the moment to make her exit and the Scottish lads were far too aggressive. Some of the anti-English comments the Aberdeen fan made were overtly racist.

You probably want me to come to the point. Guess why the Scottish lads were in Manchester. In spite of their withering opinion of England and English people, they had come down to go to see Manchester United versus Sunderland tomorrow. The EPL marketing incantations clearly work.

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on1:15 am - Feb 28, 2015


RyanGosling says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:59 am

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Apologies if I gave the wrong impression Ryan.
I can quite see why this would have been created.
The 6 minutes stuck in my mind because of the ‘Fergie time’ thing (cast you mind back) rather than any Rangers thing per se.

And that is why I asked the question.
My starting assumption was no impropriety:

But just such ‘ no impropriety’ assumptions as this allowed Jimmy Saville away for too long because people weren’t able to ask appropriate awkward questions without fear or favour.

So on balance, I thought it better to ask the question and allow the circumstances to be established, if only for my own peace of mind, (hopefully also for that of others.)

Apologies for any adverse impression created by doing so.

I am satisfied and thankful for Glen’s answer, and hopeful that this has helped understanding and prevented adverse misunderstanding.

Apologies if other.

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on1:33 am - Feb 28, 2015


A note on ‘Fergie’ time.
Gamesmanship.
But not actually improper.
Psychology, rather than corruption (if done properly).
Although opposing fans (of which I was one on occasion) might see it differently.
But nevertheless, this is something that officials should be immune to, in an ideal world.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2014/12/24/7376702/fergie-time-was-my-little-trick-at-manchester-united-admits

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Danish PastryPosted on1:41 am - Feb 28, 2015


ianagain says:
February 27, 2015 at 10:10 pm

Your wee video link
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Ah, sorry, storesatellite IPTV box? I was actually watching an older Poirot with Mrs Pastry via an alternative suggested by tcup. Had to challenge the little grey cells 🙂 Only peeked at the last 20mins of Falkirk, Lively match, from the Bairns certainly.

The BT channels are not HD but many others are fairly sharp. Saw a bit of tennis earlier which was good quality. Depends on your net speed, too. I use a direct cable connection, not the wifi option. All in all it’s not up to satellite clarity but in the absence of that, it’ll do.

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peterjungPosted on3:12 am - Feb 28, 2015


Big Pink says:
February 27, 2015 at 5:39 pm
“…To be fair, it is a derogatory term. It was intended to be (I think), and I was convinced by the argument that sufficient people were insulted by it to ban it on the Celtic IRC channel in 2001….”

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Now there is a blast from the past! Ah the memories…..

Makes me smile when I see people these days whining about the quality from the Celtic TV live HD feed….

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theredpillPosted on9:40 am - Feb 28, 2015


ianagain says:
Just as a matter of interest do you know how many are on the board and how mauch are they payed if anything ?

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SmugasPosted on10:38 am - Feb 28, 2015


I’m going to miss that jambocol. Quite liked him too!

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yourhavingalaughPosted on11:35 am - Feb 28, 2015


It was sad to read on the net this week that a once giant in the steel sector and other sectors of employment moved out of its offices in Charlotte Square in Edinburgh to the Deloitte building in George Square Glasgow to be put to rest bit late in posting this small but sad bit of news but I suppose it was all over the msm this week for all to read,it was,surely.

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upthehoopsPosted on12:03 pm - Feb 28, 2015


I happened to overhear a couple of Rangers fans this morning. Apparently if King wins the EGM then it’s back to business as normal before Whyte arrived. Oh dear…

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Big PinkPosted on12:07 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Danish Pastry says:

February 28, 2015 at 1:41 am

I was actually watching an older Poirot with Mrs Pastry via an alternative suggested by tcup. Had to challenge the little grey cells 🙂 Only peeked at the last 20mins of Falkirk, Lively match, from the Bairns certainly.
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Danish,

I knew we had a pic of Mrs Pastry’s husband somewhere – is this you? 🙂

Mr Pastry

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upthehoopsPosted on12:17 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Resin_lab_dog says:
February 28, 2015 at 1:33 am

A note on ‘Fergie’ time.
Gamesmanship.
But not actually improper.
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What would you describe the consistent failure of Scottish Referees to add enough time as? I have spoken to many fans of different teams and each feel Referees in Scotland rarely add the proper amount of time. I have witnessed games with six substitutions, and constant time wasting by one team, resulting in only two or three minutes being added, when six minutes or more would be far more appropriate.

It’s just plain cheating in my view, because unless the Ref has lost his mind, he simply KNOWS he should be adding more time.

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TrisidiumPosted on12:33 pm - Feb 28, 2015


The trouble with looking at any aspect of refereeing performance is that it is often focused on the big matches and the bigger clubs.

I think it would be a great idea to collect information from as many sources as possible. Another barrier is subjectivity/objectivity. As far as I am aware the refs have discretion over added time in every aspect other than substitutions.

If we could have information on the following from as many matches as possible, we could maybe have the beginnings of a semi-scientific study in fact;

1. Actual time added on in each half
2. Number of substitutions
3. Length of major stoppages (not time-wasting)

From the clubs’ point of view, there is a customer issue involved. There is an expectation that for the not inconsiderable sums of money people pay to get into matches, we should be provided with 90 minutes pf play. If there is a serious shortfall involved because of the laissez faire attitude of refs with regard to timings, then that is something worthy of discussion and wider broadcast.

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bfbpuzzledPosted on12:34 pm - Feb 28, 2015


A wee trial with stopping the clock like Rugby would show how much time would need to be added. However I suspect that this would require summer football to save on the cost of floodlighting even lunchtime starts.

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andygraham.66Posted on12:34 pm - Feb 28, 2015


fourth official with a stop watch, stops every time the game stops. Studies have shown that virtually every game has the ball in play between 57-63 mins so 30m each half.

No arguments over Fergie time, or big Sam last week saying THFC equaliser was past the limit allowed. The fourth official (until video refereeing comes in) does little more than police the behaviour of the managers and puts up subs boards.

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y4rmyPosted on12:37 pm - Feb 28, 2015


I happened to overhear a couple of Rangers fans this morning. Apparently if King wins the EGM then it’s back to business as normal before Whyte arrived. Oh dear…

Well, to be fair, they will have a crippling debt and someone who doesn’t like paying tax in charge so it probably will be business as usual.

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upthehoopsPosted on12:41 pm - Feb 28, 2015


MaBaw says:
February 27, 2015 at 7:45 pm
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Forgive me for thinking that any new rules to punish clubs will be ridden with prejudices themselves. In my view we have already witnessed with the OBAF act that such things are an opportunity for people in power to get their own specific agendas proceduralised. If we get new rules about clubs being punished we will be left seething watching some clubs getting punished and others not.

I simply don’t believe the football authorities in Scotland are capable of bringing in rules that will be equally applied. We already see it with the Compliance Officer who appears to act in a totally arbitrary manner.

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upthehoopsPosted on12:47 pm - Feb 28, 2015


TSFM says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:33 pm
The trouble with looking at any aspect of refereeing performance is that it is often focused on the big matches and the bigger clubs.

I think it would be a great idea to collect information from as many sources as possible. Another barrier is subjectivity/objectivity. As far as I am aware the refs have discretion over added time in every aspect other than substitutions.
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Through work I regularly chat to a grade 1 official. There is no SFA directive over added time for substitutions and it is at the Referee’s discretion. UEFA and FIFA sponsored tournaments do issue directive to Referees.

Thanks for setting the record straight on that uth
TSFM

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Danish PastryPosted on1:09 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Big Pink says:
February 28, 2015 at 12:07 pm

Danish,

I knew we had a pic of Mrs Pastry’s husband somewhere – is this you? 🙂
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Haha, nice one. Cute dog. Never heard of that Mr Pastry.

‘Burning issues of Scottish fitba’ on @offtheballbbc. Snoddy, Strachan and an SFA minder (DB). Discussion uncontroversial so far, tbh, but maybe I expect too mch. Still, got to love GS and Snoddy.

PS Winter break ends today for my local lower league team. Great weather. Fredensborg v AB Tårnby (7th v 2nd). My dog will no doubt enjoy the outing! 3pm kick off today. An hour shead to back home to catch 2nd halves from tje old country.

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John ClarkPosted on1:15 pm - Feb 28, 2015


y4rmy @ 12.37 pm :
“…..someone who doesn’t like paying tax in charge”
.¿…………….
Indeed, not only doesn’t like paying, but actually does not pay it!
The South African chappie lied to his tax people.
SDM went further, though, and lied to our ever so accommodating vfootball authorities as well and to their eternal shame got away with sports cheating on a signicant scale.
Which, of course, has resulted in many of us believing that Scottish football,when pushcomes to shove, will be rigged to accommodate one particular section of the football public, as and when occasion demands.

ular set of

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upthehoopsPosted on3:42 pm - Feb 28, 2015


TSFM says

Thanks for setting the record straight on that uth
TSFM
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Among this excellent blog with its many knowledgeable and expert contributors I would like to thank you for the official recognition of me adding some value 😀

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jimlarkinPosted on4:00 pm - Feb 28, 2015


http://www.ibroxnoise.co.uk/2015/02/12-player-rangers-exodus-this-summer.html?

(The comments section…at the end, sums things up – ignorance is bliss)

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valentinesclownPosted on4:11 pm - Feb 28, 2015


If King triumphs in egm will there be a coronation ceremony with Mr Ogilvie crowning the glib………..
or would that not be fit and proper.

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bfbpuzzledPosted on4:24 pm - Feb 28, 2015


I suppose that nothing should surprise me and I should not look at certain fora but the claim today is that WATP is an expression of Christian faith derived from the Psalms. The hermeneutics underlying that defeat me I am afraid. I suppose it is the King’s Parousia that is expected this week which is setting off their theological bent.

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StevieBCPosted on4:32 pm - Feb 28, 2015


valentinesclown says:
February 28, 2015 at 4:11 pm

If King triumphs in egm will there be a coronation ceremony…
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Would it be at Ibrox or the 6th floor at Hampden ?
Would it be televised live ?!
I think we should be told, absolutely ! 😕

In the great scheme of things, IMO, even if King is duly anointed it’s a minor distraction.

The club from Govan is gubbed for the long term, with or without King.

And the SFA was thoroughly discredited a long time ago.

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andygraham.66Posted on4:39 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Hearts struggling to get over the line today.

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Bryce CurdyPosted on4:54 pm - Feb 28, 2015


There’s little love lost between Celtic and Hearts fans normally, although I greatly respect the couple of jambos who regularly post on TSFM and imo are in my top 10 FWIW.

Congratulations today on a stunning result, and commiserations to any Cowdenbeath fans. We’ve all been on the receiving end of the occasional doing.

Hearts will be a very welcome readdition to the top flight of the SPFL and have had a tremendous season off and on the park, despite having to pay second bill to the freak show. Definite top 6 at the very least prediction from me next season.

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Big PinkPosted on5:09 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Following on from Barcabhoy’s balance sheet post last night, and the subsequent expectations by some Rangers fans that pretty much their whole first team will be allowed to leave on Bosmans at the end of the season.

By my estimate, those players who look like being jettisoned as ballast will save around £3m on the wage bill – and McCoist’s salary will save almost another £1m. So that means that within the current insolvent budgetary situation, a new manger and almost a whole team has to be found at a cost of £4m per year.

Aberdeen’s average wages are said to be around £200k per annum, so it is possible, within those strict confines, to replace the Bosmans with the same number of players, and bring in a new manager. The problem with that is again fan expectation being too high. Nothing gets morale up amongst the fans as a marquee signing, however that just can’t happen, and is the calibre of player that has given Aberdeen a successful season good enough for those expectations?

The signs are mixed on that one if the online Bear community is anything to go by. Been looking at the Promotion debate on the Bear’s Den, and there are some sensible arguments on either side.

An attempt to consolidate and build in the Championship for another season is a huge risk, because if it fails, yet another year (at least) would be required. I think promotion at all costs is the order of the day, giving them access to more prize money, TV money and gates. But how they outspend Aberdeen £5m player wage bill (with a still superfluous number of players) with the financial constraints they are under I don’t know.

The back of my fag-packet says a new Rangers starting from scratch. The rush to buy shares has been too little – too late. That money would have been better employed as seed money for the new build. I really think they are finished.

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Resin_lab_dogPosted on5:22 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Big Pink says:
February 28, 2015 at 5:09 pm

Following on from Barcabhoy’s balance sheet post last night, and the subsequent expectations by some Rangers fans that pretty much their whole first team will be allowed to leave on Bosmans at the end of the season.
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£4m doesn’t get you an Aberdeen, but it gets you an ICT.
I don’t think I’d be seen as gloating or upsetting the Ibrox fans by saying that that’s significantly better than where TRFC are at now.
Whether its good enough for enough of the bears remains to be seen.

… Scottish football needs a strong(er) Cowdenbeath.

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gunnerbPosted on5:55 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Good to see the TSFM funding lights back at green. Perhaps the only thing with regard to Scottish football that I happily support. I long ago advised CelticFC that no season ticket money and not a penny more of any kind would be forthcoming until the governance of professional football in this country was sorted.That being said tomorrows game with Aberdeen has captured the imagination and i have scratched the itch. I will be there and I am really looking forward to seeing this resurgent Aberdeen play an in form Celtic and to soak up the atmosphere again…my name is Gunnerb and I am a supporter of Scottish football.

Still nae chance of me buying a season ticket though 👿

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Methilhill StrollerPosted on6:02 pm - Feb 28, 2015


Almost seems the only way Rangers could survive losing current players would be to become NUFC reserves and let MA give more of their fringe players some game time. Then again that relies on MA keeping lights on and keeping control. Not long to go now.
Scottish football needs Arbroath to get back to early season form or even East Fife might catch them! Feel sorry for Cowdenbeath though but Jambos looking good.

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