Comment on Staying On The Problem by tayred.
WOTTPIAUGUST 16, 2016 at 11:22 TAYREDAUGUST 16, 2016 at 10:46
Note sure where the money goes. I suspect it will all go to Celtic as I believe it was an invitational competition as opposed to being some form of official representation on behalf of the SPFL.
I’d imagine so. I wonder how the SMSM would have handled this story if they were due to play TRFC that day…. Still, thankfully it was “only” Partick eh!
Staying On The Problem
Just to add – no complaints that this situation is against the SPFL rules. But the SPFL rules are, well… pants!
Staying On The Problem
I agree with Bordersdon – no surprise there No chance would that game have been scheduled.
Ask yourself, would Celtic have postponed that game if it was versus TRFC. If you think not – then there is clearly a massive problem with our game. If you think yes they would, then…. well I’d be amazed!
Staying On The Problem
You claim “Celtic’s position on the other hand is equally understandable. They too want to maximise their income, and the club’s profile gets them invited to things like that.”
I can tell from yesterday you don’t see the problem with CFC behaviour of late. Many outside the CFC fans base most certainly do. Celtic already had a game scheduled for that day, a league game. They were not free to partake, that they would lose money is neither here nor there, they had obligations. My earlier comment about it being “only” Partick was not tongue in cheek – what do you think would have happened if the game scheduled was TRFC? If they had postponed (yeah right!) that game for a friendly WW3 would have broken loose, claims of showing no respect yada yada would have been filling page after page in the SMSM. Its just another demonstration, as Wottpi said earlier, that despite most/all Celtic fans wishing their club to be as far removed from RFC/TFC and the accusations of any form of “big twoism” or entitlement, it is very much alive and kicking in the Scottish game.
Its something that has been largely and gloriously missing for the past few years, but its back, my god is it back. TRFC might not be “back”, but the same old atmosphere we were all used most certainly is. Sportscene drops Championship games, former Old Firm players lining up to tell us how wonderful the world is again, Doncaster spouting all sorts of utter rubbish, SMSM back to their pandering worst, hell even the official SPL photograph has the Captains of CFC and TRFC front and foremost beside the trophy with everyone else pushed to the back/side.
We missed the chance, our chairmen missed the chance, our clubs missed the chance. The only winners are CFC and TRFC, they are the two clubs that stand to make money out of re-inventing the hate game, nobody else.
Its only Partick, lets forget them and go gain some money playing a game that nobody cares about (including CFC it appears who only field a B-team). It stinks.
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Finloch, who is to say that Milne hasn’t told TRFC and McInnes exactly that – Once the money is available away you go and talk.
Seems to me that all that AFC can be held as being guilty of at the minute is not seeking the SMSM to do their dirty work for them, not spouting off through broadcasters and journalists and unbelievably behaving in something approaching a professional way. Something TRFC couldn’t even begin to imagine doing.
AFC supporters are most certainly being treated with contempt by the SMSM and by TRFC, and in all probability by McInnes but Milne…. in this case I think its too early to say. That said… it wouldn’t surprise me!
I have my problems with Milne, but in this case I think he can’t win regardless of how it ends. I only hope come the end of it all he will pay more attention to feelings of the AFC supporters than those of TRFC and their compliant media.
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DUNDERHEID, no. The law doesn’t come into it. It has already proved to be utterly useless at doing anything about it because its unworkable. Freedom of speech is valuable and should be guarded. No problems with that.
But here we are in a chat site full of intelligent people. People it seems that are quite happy for certain chants to be sung, despite complaining like hell when “the other side” gets off with it week-in week-out. I just don’t understand it! The one line answer “its not sectarian” floored me, and I’ll wager most outside the South-West of Scotland won’t understand it either.
Listing songs other clubs sing that are just as objectionable is fine – I don’t like them, nor understand why perfectly sensible people find them amusing. But while TRFC are belting out their well known ditties and CFC fans bring out their IRA songbook, its very hard to tackle the ignorance in songs about the economics of housing in urban environments! The Jimmy Saville related songs are quite simply revolting.
Anyway. Its a pointless argument as it sadly seems too ingrained in people from all the big to be solved anytime soon. Have a good weekend folks.
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My point wasn’t to open a debate on what is and what isn’t sectarian – quite frankly thats a side argument – if its offensive I don’t care if its sectarian or not. But to question why it appears to be ok with some to sing about the IRA, and why the excuse appears to be because it “isn’t a sectarian song”.
Be it sectarian or not, there is no place for this at a football match in any normal society. It depresses me that so many are willing to accept this situation, and as mentioned elsewhere it seems incongruous that CFC fans are so ready to point the finger at TRFC fans whilst watching some of their own fans start the slide down that slippery path once again.
I’ll also add here that my own teams fans sing songs that may be considered by some offensive and I really wish they didn’t, but meantime you will never hear me defending those fans that are singing them.
TONYSEPTEMBER 21, 2017 at 18:08 30 23
TEARSOFJOYBut to the meat of the matter, that irresistible force : sectarian singing. The hypocracy that surrounds Celtic on this matter is staggering and the number of CFC fans that take the moral high ground on this matter equally so. CFC fan sing pro IRA songs – we all know it, we’ve all heard it. So let’s stop pretending otherwise.
IRA songs are not sectarian
I was going to ignore this message, but then I saw the amount of support it got from the SFM community. I was appalled. Its not a sectarian song apparently, and perhaps strictly speaking it isn’t, but to outsiders looking in it is every bit as repugnant as anything that TRFC fans (or indeed any other group of fans) may wish to sing.
I admitted perviously, I’m not an expert on the Irish politics. The IRA may have noble beginnings, standing up to the oppressor, one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter etc etc. But, as someone who had young family in that shopping centre in Manchester that particular day, I find it incomprehensible that anyone would believes glorifying the IRA is something that it is ok to sing about at a football match – a football match for gods sake.
The song may not be strictly sectarian for the pedants amongst us (and this site thankfully has many pedants pointing out the wrongs of the world in a more useful way), but to those looking at Celtic & Rangers from the outside it is impossible to separate the IRA/UDF or whoever from sectarianism and henceforth that song to the rest of us most certainly IS sectarian. Stop the whataboutery, stop the hate and bile returning to your support. If you need a target aim for Regan and the rest of the SFA or the Scottish media who are disgustingly wilfully helping to fan the flames of bigotry by turning their collective backs on the issue once again.
If Celtic and Rangers want to have any thoughts of joining the English leagues, then they will have to rid themselves of this baggage once and for all. Until then you most certainly won’t be welcome. But then “nobody likes us and we don’t care”. This stuff is not welcome at any of the other 40 odd grounds around Scotland, the lack of it over the past few years has been a joy – please don’t let it come back.
I know you CFC fans all hate the term – but two cheeks. By re-opening that once forgotten song book you are becoming one with your hate filled brothers from the other side of town. If you can’t see that then we might as well give up now.
My family walked out of Manchester that day unscathed thankfully. There are enough problems in this world without letting this nonsense get a firm foothold back in our society.
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The song book – if the SFA/SPFL had stepped in right at the start of the issue of the TRFC songbook this wouldn’t an issue. If they had applied all the rules without fear or favour this wouldn’t be an issue. But by their repeated silence on the issue the TRFC fans grew bolder and soon realised they could do and sing whatever they liked. Sadly CFC fans appear to have decided that if “they can do it, then so should we”.
Yes, both clubs have historical links to Ireland. But god does it bore the pants off those from the remaining clubs around the land listening to this perpetual school boy playground drivel. Yes, ok it is far from being a school boy issue – I don’t understand all the issues relating to Ireland, and I sincerely doubt many others do. What I do know is that the majority of those fans belting out these revolting songs don’t understand them either, if they think they do its from the perspective of one side of the argument and even then deeply flawed. For them it is a school playground issue – they don’t really care about the politics or the history, its just what they do on a Saturday afternoon cos thats what their fathers did. Its tired, its pathetic and it has no part in any modern society.
Yet, in Scotland it isn’t just present, but due to the inactivity of those with the power to do something about, it it is flourishing. The press couldn’t give a stuff either… why? Cos it sells tickets and it sells newspapers. I love my country, but it has issues that the majority find downright mystifying and embarrassing – is it only money that allows this to continue? I mean it couldn’t be anything else could it?