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I have attended the Craig Whyte trial on a few occasions since it commenced.  I tend only to attend when Mr Findlay is cross examining the witnesses.  It is a joy to behold and is a gripping affair.  I have nothing but praise for people like James Doleman and others who tweet live as there is so much detail going on at all times.  Mr Murray and Mr Shanks from Lloyds are the witnesses I have watched being cross examined so far. My view at this early stage is that these witnesses have seemed at times very uncomfortable and during their time in the witness box and their testimony seems to be aiding in the defense of Mr Whyte, only IMO of course. I do recall that Mr Murray did not seem to recall quite a few thing when questioned (particularly in the content of Mr David Horne’s written notes and the third party funding paragraph in the final draft of the purchase.) and a few other things seemed to  his mind. It was a ding dong affair with Mr Findlay and Mr Shanks concerning the terms leverage, threatening  and pressure in relation to the bank and Mr Alistair Johnston on the RFC board.  Mr Findlay certainly won that wee battle and basically IMO the jury where left in no doubt of the banks stance. It is funny to here terms coming from Mr Findlay and the way he says them like, shambles of a playing squad, little tax bill left unpaid (but intent to pay), health and safety of the stadium and then he stated that the board Mr Murray left to run RFC did not have a clue how to run a football club.  It is the way he pauses and looks at the witness after making statements like that. Gripping stuff.
I will attend again at some point this week as it is like a magnet to me, and  just to be able to hear witness  evidence in court that we have always believed to have taken place and the smsm have never really addressed is karma. It is great to know that John Clark is going to attend when he can. 

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Why would the SFA or SPFL not want to strip titles if the HMRC appeal is upheld.  It then is a matter of fact that players were playing/registered illegally.
 I have heard in court evidence that proves factually  that the wtc crystallized before the end on March deadline which means that RFC got a license to play in CL illegally.  Also that De Boar, Moore and Flo were registered illegally and every game they played in should have resulted in RFC losing 3 0.  Will all this be ignored by the SFA? 
Why do the SFA/SPFL not want to address this what reasons can they give.  This is a serious question, why can this liquidated club not be held to account in the history books for what they have done.
I wrote to my club in the past concerning the BTC and was informed that it was still an ongoing process.  I will write again if HMRC appeal is upheld as this is at present all I can do.

Nothing said in court proves anything factually. That’s for the court to decide. We may well hear other ‘facts’ that contradict those ones you refer to. It’s a mistake to draw conclusions too soon. Still 9 weeks of this trial to go.

THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
I listened to  James Doleman concerning the High Court trial going on at present on the podcast and would like to thank him for that insight.  I have been following all his tweets from the court over the past 2 days and again would like to thank him. 
It is all so intriguing and thanks to social media this case seems to be reported without fear or favour.  I am going to attend the court on Thursday and Friday of this week, cannot help myself.

THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
Great article AJ.  This OCNC has always got to be addressed as it is IMO the most important issue of a fan (the club’s history). Any other club and we would not be having this nonsense. Fans outside Ibrox believe they are new club for it is factually true. What is also factually true is the lengths our smsm and football authorities will go to  not actually say “The Rangers are a new club”.  We always have to push this for if we do not the sport becomes a mockery (close to it now imo). There must be fans of the Ibrox club who deep down know (but will never publicly say) they are a new club.  There will also be other fans of the WATP type who will force the lie that they are same club (and they openly say this). Our cowardly approach by the SFA and smsm feed the second opinion and this is what really hacks me of, the WATP mantra grows as a result of this. 
This could not happen in any other country with any other club, so why here and why with this club.  If you know your history may be the answer.

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