THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight


Tweet yesterday from Alex Thomson of Channel 4 News. Several …

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Tweet yesterday from Alex Thomson of Channel 4 News. Several people on his Timeline ask him to expand but he says no more

@alextomo It seems the Scottish FA say Rangers will not be stripped of titles whatever Supreme Court’s Big Tax Case verdict might be.

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THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
Grant Russell of STV now claiming on Twitter the loans Rangers have had can’t be counted as losses. I’m lost on that one. Without those loans they would not have been able to pay their bills, and faced insolvency.

THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
So a couple of witnesses have now stated under oath in a court that the ‘wee tax case’ was accepted before March 31 2011, which is the date the SFA have stated it had not crystallized. There will be more witnesses to come of course, and it would be wise to wait until the trial is over, but right now there must be many within the Scottish game who so far wish this case had never got near a court. Playing the paranoid card to try and end the debate looks rather silly right now. 

THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
Still on the Euro licence debate. From what I can see all Rangers had to do was tell the SFA they had a plan to reduce their debt. Do UEFA allow European income to be part of that plan? Also, I still can’t find any evidence that UEFA will now automatically monitor compliance with break even. There still seems to be an element of self certification and a requirement for the SFA to report non-compliance. Would they ever do that, or will they always accept Rangers word that everything is fine, like they appear to have done this time?

Over to you to ask in the strongest terms Mrs Budge. You don’t have to make a public song and dance about it, but you owe it to your fans. 

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ALLYJAMBODECEMBER 8, 2017 at 17:08 

I’m sure that in his desperation to earn his weekend’s share of the succulent KFC, Mr Rather Large Derek Johnston has inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. It’s fortunate for TRFC and Traynor that nobody pays much attention to that buffoon amongst buffoons!


Big DJ is a pundit on Radio Clyde’s Superscoreboard tonight. The first caller was an impassioned Rangers fan, pointing out that Rangers have no money to go after a Manager of any stature. ‘How do you know that?’, DJ asked, to which the caller replied ‘the accounts, the AGM, they have soft loans all over the place’. DJ then said ‘well let me tell you something. I spoke today to someone who knows, and the money is there for a manager, and the money is there for a manager to buy new players’. Neither the host, or the other pundit (Hugh Keevins), challenged him on this utter tripe. It would have been like shooting fish in a barrel taking him to task on that statement, but still they said nothing. 

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WOTTPIDECEMBER 7, 2017 at 19:23 
The usual suspects on Sportsound all just saying they were reporting on what the story was.Well the story has changed now. Will they now investigate and report exactly why T’Rangers didn’t get their man?Will they now have a good look under the Ibrox bonnet in the same way McInnes most likely has, come to the same conclusion and finally do some honest reporting ?


Before I make my point it was great to hear the coverage on Sportsound of the work Clyde FC Community Foundation are doing with underprivileged people, and those who at one time took the wrong path but are trying to get on the straight and narrow. 

Some of their statements re the McInnes situation were gobsmacking though. Forced to defend their six weeks blanket ‘he’s definitely going’ coverage, they actually said it was Dave King at the Rangers AGM who made them believe it was a done deal. Do they really believe that Dave King would say anything else at the AGM, whether it was true or not? King has surely not earned the right to be trusted in this way, but still it goes on, and will continue to go on. The only one who comes out with any credit is Michael Stewart, who had previously opined McInnes to Rangers was no given. Tom English gets a little credit for pointing out how embarrassing Rangers have become, but he was a member of the pack who hounded Aberdeen and McInnes for weeks. 

Sadly though, if Rangers were now to focus on say, Tommy Wright, St Johnstone and their fans would suffer in exactly the same way. 

Why don’t they just give it to Murty?

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Is Scotland the only country in the civilised world where a major football ‘club’ could sting the public purse for tens of millions yet still receive undying protection from the media? People associated with this ‘club’ are seemingly free to say, or do anything they want, and the media will still find a reason to say it’s okay. Their abominable behaviour towards Aberdeen, and the media defence of it, is yet another case in point.  I see one of the more ‘decent’ journalists, Graham Spiers pouring scorn on those who criticise the media behaviour over McInnes. Nice guy or not, Spiers is as much a part of the problem as the rest.

On the plus side it just shows you how much the state Rangers are in is hurting.  For the rest of us it shows that our clubs being run honestly within their means is a worthy attribute, even if the media can’t bring themselves to acknowledge that. 

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BIG PINKDECEMBER 5, 2017 at 22:59 
Under terms of McInnes’s contract, I believe Aberdeen can’t refuse permission to speak to him IF the compensation amount is offered AND paid upfront. If talks between Rangers and McInnes are unsuccessful, the cash is returned.


According to today’s Daily Record Aberdeen ‘turned down a cheque for £1M’.  I’m guessing if £1M had genuinely been offered McInnes would be having talks with Rangers today. The Record goes on to exclusively reveal McInnes will resign to join Rangers.  Surely in that case Rangers must be guilty of illegally tapping a Manager under contract, and can also be ordered by the SFA to pay the amount of compensation due under the terms of the contract. 

This matter is being handled in an utterly appalling fashion by the Rangers board, and if we had a media who were willing to call them out for it rather than help facilitate the move they would not get away with it. If McInnes resigns Aberdeen can of course report Rangers to the SFA, but perhaps they want to avoid a points deduction and a heavy fine for bringing the game into disrepute!

On a serous note such matters have precedent.  Fergus McCann believed when Tommy Burns resigned from Kilmarnock in 1994 to join Celtic he was simply exercising his right to move job. The SFA fined Celtic £100k for tapping Burns and ordered them to pay Kilmarnock £200K. I’m willing to bet what McInnes is on at Aberdeen is way above what Burns earned at Kilmarnock in 1994.  Compensation aside I’m also willing to bet the SFA would not fine Rangers anything like £100k for tapping McInnes, if anything at all. 

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More on Sportsound.

A recent ‘advert’ on their show for tonight’s Celtic v Anderlecht game featured the last goal in Celtic’s 7-1 loss in Paris. No-one, least of all me, will attempt to sugar coat that result, however Celtic go into tonight’s game with a very good chance of doing what the vast majority of people said was their best chance when the group was drawn, which is to finish third. That chance is courtesy of beating Anderlecht 3-0 on their own patch. Would it have been too much for Sportsound to have used that game as the basis for the advert? 

It definitely seems like a person, or persons, within the BBC are using Sportsound to push personal agendas. The overwhelming Rangers influence within the pundits and their willingness to use the show to  promote a sugar coated version of events at Ibrox now appears to be getting noticed by fans of many clubs. It is time the BBC remembered they are for us all, not just for what they clearly see as an elite group. 

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