THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight

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It’s a very quiet night, and not being at all …

Comment on THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight by John Clark.

It’s a very quiet night, and not being at all interested in the Eurovision Song Contest, I spent a little time on the UEFA website, (sent there by interest in the ‘co-efficient’ posts about the non-appearance of TRFC in the list., which I think has been satisfactorily explained by Ej and P/T Pete)

My interest turned to the European Clubs Association.

RFC  was, of course, a founder member of the Association.But they lost full membership when they ceased, through being put into Liquidation, to be able to participate in professional football.

Irritatingly, the ‘Scotland’ entry still shows a ‘Rangers’ as an ‘associated member.’

Wikipedia has this : “Due to the liquidation in 2012 of the company that formerly ran the club, Rangers were not permitted to continue their full membership of the ECA. However Rangers FC was entitled to associated membership of ECA as considered to be a founding member with its history intact.”

The breath-taking inconsistency is, well, breath-taking! How do the minds of these people actually work?

I have sent a message to the ECA ‘contact us’ email address to point out that TRFC is not commercially, legally or in football terms, the RFC that was a founder member of ECA, and is in no entitled to be regarded as such.

Much good it may do, but I feel better for having sent a message.19

John Clark Also Commented

THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
I should have waited a wee bit longer to see if my first post would be released from ‘moderation’!
Sorry about the ‘repeat’ post.


THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
My post of 02.06 this morning is in moderation.

I reproduce it below, having excised the phrase that might have triggered the ‘moderation’

“PortbhoyMay 13, 2017 at 00:05 ‘…There you go BD, ….http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/james-traynor-why-this-is-my-last-ever-newspaper-1470050‘ _________

A great link,Portbhoy!

I had forgotten that piece from James Traynor, who could say in the same piece both this

“I was asked to remain but my conscience won’t allow me to stay in our profession”

and this

“against Rangers and their fans, who deserve enormous credit for having saved their club, just waiting for the catalyst?” ( the italics in both quotes are mine)

The man is a disgrace to himself and to journalism, even the kind of journalism practised by the sports people at the DR.”

Homunculus’ later post is a far better example of the kind of  ‘journalist’ that I believe JT to be, i.e one whom it is scarcely worth the effort of despising.

(the phrase I had used was taken from a description of Falstaff in  ‘Henry IV’ ( apologies, Essex, for a the reference to Shakespoke. Nice to have you back, btw!)


THAT Debate, and the Beauty of Hindsight
PortbhoyMay 13, 2017 at 00:05
‘…There you go BD, ….http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/james-traynor-why-this-is-my-last-ever-newspaper-1470050’
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A great link,Portbhoy!

I had forgotten that rant from  a barrel of lard ( sorry, Essexbeancounter, for using what I’m sure you recognise as a Shakespearian phrase! Nice to have you back,btw) like our James Traynor, who could say in the same piece both this

“I was asked to remain but my conscience won’t allow me to stay in our profession

and this

“against Rangers and their fans, who deserve enormous credit for having saved their club, just waiting for the catalyst?”

( the italics in both quotes are mine)

The man is a disgrace to himself and to journalism, even the kind of journalism practised by the sports people at the DR.


Recent Comments by John Clark

Who Is Conning Whom?
FinlochDecember 8, 2017 at 11:40
‘….Why were the SFSA not invited as valued members and contributors to your Congress Stewart?’
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Because,Finloch, the SFA leadership can be characterised as being  one or more of the following:inward-looking, incestuously up its own fundament, secretive, self-protective, duplicitous, seriously self-harmed by its readiness to corrupt the Sport of which it is at present the Governance body.
It cannot run any risk of recognising an organised body of supporters [which it does not control] for fear of being seriously called to account  for its manifold failure in so many respects, not least its failure to grasp that 16 000 plus fans cannot all be wrong, and that what they say is overwhelmingly condemnatory and that in closing its eyes to its customer base it is  behaving like the head-in-the-sand ostrich.


Who Is Conning Whom?
wottpiDecember 8, 2017 at 11:02
‘…..Michael Stewart is one of the few people who called it perefectly………………..the fact that so many involved around the game as pundits, reporters and journos got it so wrong just points to the poor standard of commentary on our game and the lack of understanding (or is it a fear of acknowledging) of how bad things are at Ibrox.’
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Concomitant with being absolutely scrupulously fair in one’s criticism of  pundits and journos is the requirement that one should be ready to give credit where credit is due.
I therefore have to say that Michael Stewart was not a lone voice: Chick Young had for long aired his views that McInnes would not be going to TRFC Ltd, even to the point of calling up his successful record over many years as a tapper-in to ‘sources’.
He was shaken a little bit the other night when the news of TRFC’s approach broke,but nevertheless, he deserves a bit of credit for not following the party propaganda line.
(Oh, that was sore, having to say that!)19


Who Is Conning Whom?
DenDecember 7, 2017 at 23:19
‘..I am glad that McInnes has honoured his contract and the spirit of the statements made by himself and Milne last week. Suggests he is a man of some character.’
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There was a very understandable moment of indecisiveness.

After all, who among us cannot say in his/her heart that they would not love to have been a ball-boy at their club, never mind play for it, never mind becoming ‘Manager’ of it!

And who is there among us who would not enjoy the prospect of increased (?)remuneration, increased challenge, increased (?)status …..

McInnes , however, has shown that he has the savvy to take on board that the club that is TRFC Ltd is not at all the same club that he once played for, but a mere artificial construction made by the big  hands of a Yorkshire schoolboy foot-race champion who would have made the Glasgow barras hucksters look like rank amateurs!

And it was, fair do’s, brave of him to rise above the frenzied incitement of the SMSM hacks- who are all now denying that they had any part in supporting the attempted destabilisation of Aberdeen football Club.

He now has to try to show the Aberdeen support that his two defeats v TRFC Ltd were in no way connected with any interest on his part in securing the TRFC Ltd job.

Good luck.


Who Is Conning Whom?
easyJamboDecember 7, 2017 at 22:40
‘…I’m afraid I’m away on holiday while next Friday’s hearings are on.’
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That’s a blow!
Your hearing, and memory recall, is so much better than mine!Even in the smaller court-rooms you seem to hear more clearly than I.
But, of course, you are much younger than I!03


Who Is Conning Whom?
easyJamboDecember 7, 2017 at 22:32
‘..This is the BDO action against the adminstrators’
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Thanks, eJ.
I have been trying to have a daily look at the Rolls of Court,but I wasn’t able to look in after 5.00 pm this evening.
That’s in my diary, for next week.
I keep looking in on the ‘Court of Session judgments’ page to see whether Lord Bannatyne has arrived at his judgment and published it.
It seems that the publication of a judgment can be several months after the date of the judgment.
I suppose that means that in some cases the parties are told long before the judgment is made public.
So, maybe Lord Bannatyne has decided , and King and the Takeover Panel have already [ since the date (30 November) when I got the email saying that the Takeover panel were still awaiting the decision] had the decision.
Probably not.
I suppose we have to watch the RIFCplc ‘investor’ page on the website,where details of an offer (if the decision was/is that King has to make an offer , by a specified date,or be held in contempt) have to publicised.
One wonders at how the judges cope! They hear very complicated , lengthy cases, have to ponder their decision and write their judgments, while still hearing new cases in Court. When do they find the time to write their judgments?


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