The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan


1.The Invisible Line says: August 19, 2012 at 17:14 If BDO do …

Comment on The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan by goosy.

1.The Invisible Line says:
August 19, 2012 at 17:14
If BDO do say they want to undo the deal – CG would get his money back of 5.5 million. BDP would then take back the assets to sell.
However for the season ticket money what happens then.
If TRFC then goes into admin, does he not get quite a good killing – 10 million allegedly (closer to 6.5 in reality) of ST money.

A Sevco liquidation still makes sense even if BDO do nothing as it solves two problems for CW and Ticketus

Under an RFC liquidation the Ticketus debt of £27m and Floating Charge of £27.5m. debts are both at risk
Ticketus are wiped out as their deal was not under Scots Law and did not roll over
CW would face a prolonged legal battle with HMRC to justify his FC
So the neat way out was for D&P to sell the assets to Green on condition Sevco also accepted transfer of the Ticketus debt and the CW FC
D&P then argue to BDO that it’s a good deal for the remaining Creditors as it removes £54.5m of debt including an alleged preferred Creditor
However the real aim is to legitimate the CW floating charge by transferring it to an entity where there are no hostile Creditors
Similarly transfer of the Ticketus debt safeguards their entitlement to future STs They may even have also switched the legality from English Law to Scots Law with Green`s agreement
All that remains then is for Sevco to be liquidated
CW gets the assets without a challenge and Ticketus get their debt rolled over to any new company who buy or rent the assets from CW
The payback for Green is the ST money which he keeps after paying an installment to Ticketus
So all that is needed is for Green to continue to attack the SFA until they are forced to declare he is an unfit Director.Eventually Sevco lose their licence because he refuses to resign.He then gives Ticketus all the cash in the bank and liquidates Sevco immediately thereafter

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The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan
1.Readcelt says:
August 23, 2012 at 12:59

The whole ‘UEFA dont recognise The Rangers’ thing.
I dont think its a valid argument that the 13 May game against ST J proves anything other than complete disinterest from UEFA.
UEFA do recognise The Rangers’ thing
UEFA will not permit any newco to play in Europe until they have been in business for 3 yrs and can provide satisfactory accounts
All this nonsense about transferring the RFC license , claiming the history etc is irrelevant to UEFA
Sevco are a Newco to UEFA .They are not Oldco with a slightly different name that holds Oldcos license who have been suspended for 3 yrs by UEFA for dying. If this was true Sevco would be able to evidence a letter to Oldco from UEFA stating their suspension .
There is no such letter because there is no such suspension for a club that dies
Sevco don’t qualify for recognition until they have 3 yrs of acceptable accounts
You can bet your boots that Sevco havent even bothered to enquire about their european status and it will not become a matter of interest to UEFA until they do

The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan
Brilliant post
You encapsulate the dilemma many people now face
How to stand up for justice and what is right without seeming to maliciously oppose dear friends and relations
I have to say
Dear friends and relations will always come first in my book

If it takes another 100 yrs to remove this cancer then so be it

The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan
Now if only Craigie Boy had made the following slight adjustments to his statement on Feb 14 2012 could all this fuss about Club v Company have been avoided ?

The holding company of Rangers Football Club statement in full read: ” The holding company of Rangers Football Club, Rangers Football Club plc has today announced it has filed a notice of intention to the Court of Session in Edinburgh to appoint administrators.
Rangers Football Club will conduct its business as usual and will not be in administration until the holding company, Rangers Football Club plc decides whether to formally proceed with an application to appoint administrators.
“Until such time, the Rangers Football Club will not face any sanction from the football authorities in terms of points deduction within the Scottish Premier League.
“Sanctions such as a 10-point deduction will only apply if the holding company, Rangers Football Club plc proceeds with the appointment of administrators. It is expected to be 10 working days before a decision is made whether to appoint administrators.

“Suppliers to the holding company, Rangers Football Club plc and its business partners and sponsors are currently being informed of today’s announcement and arrangements between the Rangers Football Club plc, suppliers and creditors will continue as normal.
“There will be no impact on season ticket holders and shareholders. Season tickets will continue to be valid for this season and any commitment to a season ticket for next season is secure.
Rangers Football Club plc is continuing to have dialogue with HMRC in the hope that a formal insolvency procedure can be averted and has put forward pragmatic proposals.
The owners of Rangers Football Club plc , The Rangers Football Club Group believe there is no ‘realistic or practical’ alternative to this course of action in order to secure the long-term future of Rangers Football Club.
“Should administration take effect, the Rangers Football Club plc is proposing a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA). Rangers Football Club plc wishes to seek the protection of a moratorium from HMRC action whilst a CVA proposal is made to creditors.
Rangers Football Club plc has put forward a CVA proposal to HMRC in which creditors would be paid and provision made for the legacy HMRC case, commonly known as the ‘big tax’ case.
This, if approved by creditors within a month, would minimise any points deduction and enable Rangers Football Club to participate in European football next season.
The Club has engaged Duff and Phelps, a specialist restructuring practice to assist in finding a solution to the present position.
Should the holding company Rangers Football Club plc proceed into administration, the appointed administrators will in all likelihood implement a cost-cutting programme and staffing levels will be reviewed across all departments of the Rangers Football Club plc business.
Craigie didn`t make these adjustments because he would be telling lies

He would be claiming that Rangers Footlball Club plc is a holding company for Rangers Football Club which is untrue
A holding company can only hold another company or several other companies

Recent Comments by goosy

Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
JULY 28, 2017 at 11:42
I really think that the SFSA could – and should – grasp an opportunity like the SPFL statement to assume a moral leadership of fans of Scottish football. I’m not sure what it is they hope to provide in terms of moral authority if they are not fearless enough to address directly the biggest and still evolving scandal the game has seen. I am hoping that like Celtic, they are taking time to respond. The question is, how can they ignore it?
Its not all that difficult
.At their next  Board meeting the current SFSA Board should vote on whether they are prepared to make upholding sporting integrity the prime goal of their Mission Statement. All other goals will be subservient to this aim. Key Performance Indicators should then be developed to measure whether the governing bodies are upholding integrity going forward. Regular reports should be emailed to members when, as we expect corruption continues to be manifest in mismanagement of current rules and the law of the land. However The SFSA should avoid public involvement  on any topic until they have a fully functioning  democratically elected Board comprised of Fan Directors.
The focus on integrity should   automatically make resolving corruption the number one goal for the immediate term. It would enable an umbrella coalition to be established  between the SFSA and  other groups solely responsible for pursuing the Judicial Review route. The idea would be that the SFSA address an d measure progress on long term implications of removing the elephant while the rest of the coalition get on with shoving it out the window
Steps should be taken immediately to introduce democracy to SFSA using as a voter roll the names of all those for whom they have email addresses. Groups claiming to represent many unnamed members should be charged with adding them to the email voters roll by a target cut off date. The election of Fan Shadow Directors to overlap with the current Board should proceed on a democratic basis shortly after the cut off date. Whether this is  by direct election or through some temporary representative body should be thought through and voted on by email.
The views of the Celtic Board are no longer relevant
They had the opportunity to stand up and be counted .Instead they cooperated by their silence in a disgraceful, unethical and shameless strategy. Their focus now should be removing Bro Walfrids Statue from Celtic Park before it falls over in shame

Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
AULDHEIDJULY 27, 2017 at 22:11
Goosey GooseyWhen there is 0% chance of opening the door, 20% is worth backing.
Like I said
I`ve yet to meet the person with 80% integrity
Or put another way
I don`t trust people who have proven untrustworthy on an integrity issue on even one occasion 
Sometimes I have no choice but to put my fate in their hands 
Some worked out. Some didn`t work out
But because I had no choice I went along with it unwillingly
That wasn`t trust. It was Hobsons choice
When I have the choice not to trust them because there are other options 
I don`t trust them and go for an alternative
Having said that
Its a free country (apart from what we both agree on)
People may put their trust in SFAS using whatever criteria they deem most important 
For me when dealing with corruption there is zero room for compromise.
Its  an issue of integrity, right or wrong ,good or evil, black or white
I won`t  trust SFAS
So as I said before
I`m out

Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
AULDHEIDJULY 27, 2017 at 21:32 goosygoosyJuly 27, 2017 at 20:38 (Edit)
Read my post about capacity building. Have you anything better to suggest be done in their place? Are you going to do the work those volunteers do or are you happy just to snoop and snipe?
i have great respect for you and your track record in opposing corruption
I am too long in the tooth now to believe platitudes without checking the facts. I  am happy to contribute to a crowd funding initiative seeking a JR of the corruption associated with the recent past
I`m not snowed either by face to face meetings with people who have proven they lack integrity.
Thats a virtue you either have or you don`t have

I`ve yet to meet the person with 80% integrity
So as far as SFAS are concerned
I`m out

Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
Oh Dear as PMG might say
I fear I may have tripped over a can of worms in my previous post at 14.56
Thinking back to the sterling work done by the combined efforts of talented posters on the RTC Blog
I thought it might be fun to have a look at SFSA in a bit more detail
Current Office address 4 Woodside Pl, Glasgow G3 7QL
 If you Google Earth this address and postcode there`s a man walking along the pavement who looks awfully like a member of the SPFL. Can`t be sure of course  as faces are blurred with Google Earth but the odd way of walking seems familiar.
It was enough to pique my curiosity so I had a look elsewhere on the web
Lo and behold
Up comes the following
Official Launch early April 2015
“The SFSA, which says it has reached 40,000 pledges of support from Scottish fans’ groups at club level, will include a national advisory group.
It will contain experts on football and governance matters, including former First Minister Henry McLeish and Maureen McGonigle, founder of Scottish Women in Sport, and from academia and the business world.
They will work with a football advisory group that so far includes fans from Aberdeen, Ayr United, Celtic, Dumbarton, Hearts and Rangers”
Does 40,000 pledges of support from a Club Group mean every member of that Club has registered an email address with SFSA?
Or does it mean one person from each supporters group registered on behalf of their members with or without their consent? Does this explain why the SFSA had 40000  members before it was launched ?
“Whereabouts on the current website can you find the names of the fans on the Advisory Group from Aberdeen, Ayr United, Celtic, Dumbarton, Hearts and Rangers”
Why are members of the Advisory Group selected by the unelected CEO and Chairman of the SFSA Board and not elected by the members?
The Fans’ Manifesto
Fans want change
Scottish football needs and deserves a future. As a movement of some 50,000 fans (and growing) the Scottish Football Supporters Association (SFSA) believes that it really is possible to renew, reform and reclaim the game. But the engine of that transformation has to be those who love and follow the game. That is what this Fans’ Manifesto is all about.
 In 2015 we asked football supporters across Scotland what they wanted to see for the future. We got an amazing 10,000 responses.
 Among the mass of ideas and comments there were aspirations large and small. In this document we have distilled some of the biggest ones, and combined them with ideas that have now been in circulation – buttressed by a number of other surveys – for some time. This Manifesto contains nine key pointers towards the future of football game in Scotland. It is intended not as an end, but as the beginning of a renewed national conversation that needs to reach out well beyond the established boundaries if it is going to bring credible action
 01 Bring back the fans through competitive pricing and family facilities at every club
02 Make football in Scotland media-friendly and innovative at every level
03 Re-market the Scottish game, pressing for financial fair shares and transparency REFORM THE GAME
04 Rebuild the game with larger divisions, more variety and improved competition
05 Equip every club to be a ‘community hub’ for wellbeing and entertainment
 06 Re-invest in youth through fresh plans for training and education
07 A ‘diversity drive’: 25% fan representation on all governing bodies in five years, 50% women, a permanent place for the national fans’ body
08 Regular, independent auditing and review of the performance of governing bodies and clubs
 09 Extend community and collaborative ownership, create a fans’ right to bid or buy when clubs are for sale, create a fans’ bank or fund
Did any of the 10000 fans who responded to the survey mention that there might be a problem with corruption at the SFA and SPFL?
If so
Were they so few in number that their concerns were excluded from the Fans Manifesto?
Did any of the 10000 fans who responded to the survey mention sectarian singing, intimidation of officials, letter bomb training, assaults in the street as potential issues being ignored by the governing bodies?
Or in a nutshell
Did any of the 10000 fans who responded to the survey mention dissatisfaction at the manner in which the SFA and SPFL were handling the Rangers situation?
Or to summarise the above
Did the SFSA sanitise the 10000 responses of their own volition or did they do so at the request of a 3rd party?
There are stacks of angles  to the above which could be addressed by many of the fine posters who inhabit this blog
Whats clear so far is that SFSA are not a democratic organisation despite being in existence for well over a year 
Its also clear that despite their “plan” to eventually become democratic they are unfit in the immediate term to represent Fans concerned about the way the Rangers saga has been corruptly managed by the governing bodies 
Indeed their own manifesto specifically ignores the biggest scandal in Scottish football in living memory

Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
Early Warning
This post might be unpopular
I`ll stand corrected if I`m wrong 
If there is one thing suspicious  in all of this corrupt saga it`s the  convenient emergence on the public stage  of the SFSA in the last fortnight
 This self-appointed  body with apparently no funds is stuffed with self-appointed  politicians One of them at least  has been found guilty of having dirty hands. It has created a community company appointed its own Board and defined its own remit before its public launch. It doesn`t once use the words morality or integrity or fairness or corruption to justify its existence. It doesn`t even mention  a goal of being transparent to its members  It has  invited German football academics to tell their unelected Board what sort of questions Scottish fans  should be asked  about. It has went on to unilaterally approve  a bland  survey questionnaire that will consume a few months help dissipate the  anger of some  fans and tell us nothing we don`t know already.

The official SFSA top down remit will take years to completion. It smacks strongly of how the English Child Abuse Enquiry was set up years ago by politicians determined to protect politicians and their establishment allies. Its Terms of Reference were deliberately set so wide that many of the accused and their victims passed away before their case got considered. And that`s exactly what could happen here.
Or put more simply
It’s not an organisation claiming the simple  raison d`etre of upholding sporting integrity
Survey Document
The survey document smacks of long term civil service thinking. It starts from the premise that things might actually be hunky dory, so let’s take the next few months to quantify  the “general level of disquiet”. This top down approach is a recipe for time wasting and switching off the members. It is frankly smacks of the sort of approach you would expect from Soviet era Trade Unions. The festering sore that is the Rangers tax case doesn`t qualify for a mention. SFA and Police management of  sectarian behaviour is ignored, Nothing is asked about how our corrupt governing bodies are paralysed about physical intimidation in keeping the peace outranks morality. This is despite letter bomb training, street assaults and threats to torch a football ground. Most of all is the complete absence of an SFSA declaration of transparency.
Corrupt SPFL Statement

Its early days for the SFSA
So far they have not commented on the SFA and SPFL Statement. Does their Board have no opinion?
Is it because the leadership of the SFSA is well aware it is not a “Fan Elected Body”?
It has no mandate to speak for its members. So they are obliged to keep quiet.
However, having no mandate also means they should not respond to any  appeals from our corrupt authorities to engage in private  discussions
It is clear that the governing bodies wish to avoid discussing the corruption crisis in terms of sporting integrity. Their strategy is moving the goal posts from integrity to legal mumbo jumbo. Their aim is to confuse the peasants. Their premise is that  limited knowledge of the judicial system will force the peasants into disgruntled forelock tugging compliance
Move along peasant
If its legal and immoral then its ok 
If it’s against integrity  but within the rules its ok
Sometimes rules have to be bent if we think it’s necessary
Trust Us. That`s what happens in business
They forget that we peasants have simple minds. We see issues in terms of good and evil, right and wrong. We expect integrity to be the backbone of organisations who claim to be trustworthy.
Whats more worrying 
I would not be a bit surprised if the SFSA are  the first to be invited by the corrupt SPFL and corrupt SFA to come and talk to them in private about their forthcoming “Independent” meaning corrupt Review. Indeed they might even end up as “Representing the Fans ” on this stitch up.
That would be outrageous
 Unelected politicians one with dirty hands representing you on integrity issues with that lot
I don`t see the SFSA fulfilling the role of speaking for fans in the specific one off battle against  the corruption witnessed over the past few years.
In particular
The current un-elected SFSA Board may attempt to act in this role by cooperating with the so called SPFL Independent Review or try to subvert the timetable of the  Judicial Review that is currently gathering momentum
If this happens
it will be a sign that they see themselves as budding members of the establishment. People who are in cahoots with the corruption we are trying to root out.
And as for representing fans  to the governing bodies on any other issues.
The acid test  will be whether they replace the SFSA Board with elected fan representatives  BEFORE they have their first formal  meeting with the SG or football governing bodies.

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