The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan

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The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan

Guest Post by Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan

Good Evening,

Last night, I found myself sitting at home when an e-mail arrived from the administrator of these pages suggesting that I write a guest article for all to consider. At that precise moment my television was full of the efforts of James T Kirk attempting to escape the Wrath of Khan, who blames old James T for all his ills and troubles including what he sees as his ridiculous and malicious banishment to a distant star in the middle of nowhere— amongst other things. He seeks vengeance, causes mayhem, and refuses to recognise the rule of law.

It may seem strange, but there is much to be learned from The Wrath of Khan. For example, in the midst of the action Admiral James T acknowledges that when he first faces what is at the time an unknown adversary, in most unusual and unknown circumstances, he ignores rules and regulation and as a result “gets caught with his pants down.”

That is the consequence of ignoring rules and regulation more often than not—even for the good guys.

This is also the movie where we are introduced to the Kobayashi Maru—the supposedly impossible test in which members of star fleet are asked to rescue a stricken ship and its crew without sacrificing themselves, their starship and all members of their crew. The test is meant to be impossible to solve as it cannot be achieved—unless you change the rules of the game!

Captain’s log:  Star date 2012; This is the voyage of the Starship Scottish Fitba—and we’re lost!

How can it come to be, that as we approach September 2012 the world of Scottish Football is in such a state of flux and disarray with an unbelievable amount of uncertainty and doubt about fundamental matters and principles, after months when we have seen the spiralling demise of one of our country’s biggest football clubs and the threatened disintegration of the entire system of football administration in Scotland as a result?

Surely after all that has happened in these past months the administrators would have learned to not only play by the rules, but be seen to be playing by the rules, insisting on the rules, and reinforcing the principles and platforms that those rules are based on?

Rangers PLC has ceased to be a part of Scottish football and the failure to deal with that simple fact, even more than the demise of what was regarded as an institution, is baffling in the extreme. The simple fact of the matter is this: There are rules and laws —regulations if you like —which were pre written to deal with such an event.  Apply the rules and everyone knows where they stand— ignore the rules and, as James T Kirk points out, you get caught with your pants down!

So far, the rules have been half implemented half ignored. Rangers were automatically deducted points for going into Administration and properly so. They were convicted, by a properly convened independent panel, of various rule breaches, and duly sentenced as a result—again properly so. Thereafter, the company was consigned to Liquidation because it could not pay its debts- with the result that it loses its SPL share and the right to participate in football altogether— and with the further result that it left a trail of unpaid debts to creditors, including football clubs, which ran to millions of pounds.

Further, let’s be clear, The SPL and the SFL only exist with the consent of the SFA. The SFA are the ultimate governing body in Scottish Football, with the two league associations merely management tools to achieve what is supposed to be the efficient management of the game in compliance with the pre agreed rules, procedures and principles that are meant to govern football and football administration. If you wish to play under this system, then you have to accept the very same rules procedures and principles, and there should be no contracting in or out of either membership, or the laws of the game.

Yet when Rangers went into Administration, and stared liquidation in the face, The Administrators, and subsequently everyone from Bill Miller through to Charles Green stated publicly that they, together with the SFA and all of Scottish Football, were facing the Kobayashi Maru whereby maintaining the rules and the principles of the game whilst at the same time saving Rangers FC could not be achieved!

The rules had to be ignored for the sake of expediency cried some press members. Whilst principles are all well and good, you can’t apply them if it means the death of Rangers—Rangers are too big  — cried others. If you apply the principles and the rules you will kill Rangers—and yourselves—said some.

It would appear that when it came to Rangers and their wellbeing, some took the view that principles were not quite so important and that, no matter what, Rangers FC had to be saved—- and there it was—the impossible task— The Kobayashi Maru!

I wonder if those who spouted that argument looked at The SFA website in any detail? Because there it states specifically that the SFA wants its coaches to educate all its young players, trainee managers and future coaches to “ Honour the game-respect your opponent- play to the rules–value sportsmanship–redefine winning- not just focusing on match results and league positions- and to help produce positive, respectful, and confident people with useful life skills“.  Presumably those life skills include playing by the rules, valuing integrity, behaving with honour and respecting the position of others and so on.

Yes—It is hard to believe—but all of those phrases are direct quotes from the Scottish Football Association webpages—they are the words of the SFA themselves. How could they be seen to abandon such principles—especially when they so publicly proclaim them?

What a choice then for the SFA—abandon your principles—or lose an institution—The Kobayashi Moru!  You just can’t win!

Except, Green & Co—and I include sections of the media in that phrase—clean forgot who was sitting the Kobayashi Moru test. The SFA were never faced with the test—if anything it was their rules that posed the test for whoever wanted to try and save Rangers. In the end, nobody was willing to attempt that task under the existing rules. No one was prepared to come along and pay the debts and so save the club—and at that stage it was Rangers and Rangers alone who faced the Kobayashi Moru.

Green, by way of his Servco company, then sought admission into the footballing world at a time and under circumstances which the rules dictated must result in failure. He had no accounts, no history in the game, effectively no players and nothing that would suggest that he could meet the criteria of the pre agreed rules for entry into the SFA.

It was at this juncture that the footballing executives made the error of ignoring the rules and principles that govern our game—the ones that the SFA espouse on their own website. They tried to shoe in Green against all the rules, with the result that supporters, fans, and club chairman voted them down and left them with their pants firmly glued to their ankles in Kirk speak.

The SFA, at the instigation of the member clubs from all leagues,  then played the Kirk role in attempting to solve The Ibrox Kobayashi Moru by changing those rules with the agreement of the majority,  so that Mr Green and his cohorts could gain membership, by effectively agreeing to allow Green’s Servco to obtain membership of the SFA on a conditional basis— with one of those conditions being that Mr Green’s company will pay ALL outstanding football debts—and make no mistake Captain Green accepted that he would play by those rules as otherwise he faced oblivion.

Here is what Green said as published on the SFA website following the signing of the 5 man agreement:

“The agreement signed today allows Rangers to be granted membership by the SFA and finally enables the Club to move forward.

“The Board, the Manager and senior executives have been working tirelessly over the last few weeks to secure the future of the Club and today is the start of that process.

“The Board has had to take some very difficult decisions to gain SFA membership, including accepting the delayed transfer ban and paying outstanding financial penalties. But we are now able to get back to playing football and plan for the new season, starting this Sunday with our match against Brechin.”

The website also reported that Servco had been granted conditional membership with one of the conditions being – “Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to settle all outstanding football debts to other members of the Scottish FA plus clubs under the jurisdiction of other Football Associations.”

You will note that nowhere does it state that the SFA or the SPL will pay any of the footballing debts out of any money supposedly due to the second place team in season 2011/2012 as Charles Green appears to claim – and besides it is obvious to everyone that Servco did not participate in the league during that season and so cannot be entitled to any such payment as they were not Registered with the league nor had membership of the SFA or SPL.

Rangers PLC were so registered, but if they were due any money that money would go to their Administrators. However, given that Rangers PLC were the Registered body and were convicted of offences which were described as only second to match fixing, then it follows that they should not be allowed to profit by so much as a penny in that season as a result of their rule breaking activity. Had they been expelled from the league they would have been entitled to nothing at all, and it should be remembered that it was the same Mr Green who took that situation to the Court of Session with the result that the court sent the case back to the panel with the clear instruction that such a penalty may well be appropriate and that in the circumstances the tribunal may have little alternative but to impose such a sanction.

Clearly, this is a scenario that Charles Green had to avoid. In this instance he ignored the footballing rules of not going to courts of law, and found himself with his pants down and facing the Wrath of The Court and the Kobayashi Moru whereby any technical success at the court was likely to result in certain extinction by way of expulsion from the league.

Now Captain Green seems intent on steering his starship into yet another dead end with fatal consequences. He claims that the Scottish Football debts are paid. If we ignore for the minute that he has never attempted to pay any footballing debts outwith Scotland – thus jeopradising his conditional acceptance into the SFA— his claim that it was agreed that these debts would be paid by the SPL or the SFA out of 2011/2012 prize money is derisory.

No fundamental principle of fair play, respect for opponents and attempt at honouring the game could allow for such a situation. Besides the SFA were quite clear in their statement and he has at no time demurred. From the date of the 5 man agreement onwards Captain Green undertook to pay all of the footballing debts— and if he doesn’t, then again he risks the withdrawal of his conditional membership. There is no other solution to the issue. Those are the rules he signed up to, and if you ignore the rules………….

However, this entire affair still has far to go. Where is the transparency and clarity championed by Henry Mcleish and oft promised by Stewart Regan and others? Why are the details of Green’s investors and his business plan, timescales for meeting obligations and everything else about his operation kept so secret? Given the history of those who have been in charge of Ibrox over the last twenty years, the complete failure of their administration and what is now known about their tenure there and in football generally,— and  given Green’s latest public statements—, does it not occur to the SFA that the rest of Scottish football has a right to know the details of what they have been told and what Green has promised?

He has promised to clear the footballing debts and appears to be making little attempt to do that whilst his manager hails as triumphs the signing of what he sees as the best players from other teams at relatively huge expense—whilst the debts remain, and the obligations are unfulfilled.

Again that cannot be right and goes against all principles of respecting opponents and honouring the game. It is a circumstance that amounts to the antithesis of the principles espoused by the SFA and appears to be completely contrary to the mandate given to Regan and the powers that be by the clubs and fans of all divisions. Further, the current position gives the impression that Mr Green believes that he can run his company and participate in football as and how he wants,  as and when he wants and under his terms and conditions.

This smacks of previous regimes that hovered around Ibrox for far too long with ultimately disastrous results particularly for Rangers fans, investors and creditors.

History cannot be allowed to repeat itself under these circumstances and the SFA must bring pressure on Green to pay the obligations that he undertook to meet within a publicly known timescale. Not only does he need to do that for the benefit of the clubs owed money—he needs to do it for the sake of the integrity of the whole of Scottish football, and he should not be allowed to build at team or field a team if he breaches the agreement. That should be the rule.

He should not be allowed to sacrifice publicly proclaimed and nationally accepted principles for the sake of his own financial expediency “for the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few—- or the one!”

Oh—and lest anyone think that it is mere trivia to link the current plight of Scottish Football with Star Trek and the Wrath of Khan, and that any such comparison is childish and of little consequence, that last quote was specifically relied upon, referred to and quoted in the Supreme Court of Texas in a decision issued on 22nd October 2010 in the case of Barbara Robinson, Individually and as Representative of the Estate of John Robinson, Deceased, Petitioner against Crown Cork & Seal Company, Inc., Individually and as Successor to Mundet Cork Corporation, Respondent— thus bringing the undoubted logic and wisdom of Mr Spock well and truly into the Law of the United States of America!

Few would argue that Spock’s logic is not a sound legal principle!

It also seems to me that perhaps Spock had some solid business advice for those who choose to ignore the rules with a view to seeking short term gain or advantage—whether that be by way of trophies, money, position or what have you—but peril their entire existence by engaging in unlawful or illegal activity. It is advice which was ignored apparently by Sir David Murray and his board and by Craig Whyte and his entire cabal. We wait to see if Charles Green will have learned the lesson that they so clearly didn’t, or whether he believes in the potential rewards of the quick fix at any cost?

Live long…….. And prosper!

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1,316 Comments so far

AllyJamboPosted on3:22 pm - Aug 22, 2012


The Invisible Line says:

August 22, 2012 at 15:16

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It would be really interesting, I think, if we could discover in who’s name these fees are being collected. I wouldn’t mind betting it’s in something like Sevco Ticketing Services (Yorkshire) or some such name. It’s not at all inconcievable that this is the case (although the collector’s name is fictitious).

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61patrickPosted on3:33 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Allyjambo Taxpayer

Might even be MBBGEF ltd 🙂

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redlichtiePosted on3:33 pm - Aug 22, 2012


WRT the 5 stars on Sevco’s (Ratners FC?) shirts – surely this relates to SDM, CW, CG, Wattie & Sally? Or are they the disaStars?

/ Red Lichtie

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tic6709Posted on3:44 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Allyjambo Taxpayer @ 15.09 .
The ‘phonelines are a normal BT service,Celtic have the same. because they will probably have extensions it’s a wee bit dearer,that’s all. I phoned BT and asked.

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ExiledCeltPosted on3:48 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Payments are not able to be spread over a long period – all paid for by 31 Oct………..

PAYMENT OPTIONS
Fans can choose to pay by:
• Cash
• Cheque
• Debit/Credit card in either one instalment or spread over 4 monthly instalments. If paying by instalments the first of these will be taken on or around Tuesday 7 August, with subsequent payments being taken on or around 31 August, 28 September and 31 October

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ExiledCeltPosted on3:51 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Tic 6709 says:

August 22, 2012 at 15:44

The complaints being made are that the online page is always busy so everyone is funnelled to phone – and being put on hold for long periods of time………so charges may well be same but seems someone is milking them as best they can………..

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paulmacPosted on3:59 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Essex beancounter says:
August 22, 2012 at 13:22
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Brian McBride of Amazon is an ex Celtic Director.

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tic6709Posted on4:02 pm - Aug 22, 2012


The Invisible Line says:

August 22, 2012 at 15:51

Tic 6709 says:

August 22, 2012 at 15:44

The complaints being made are that the online page is always busy so everyone is funnelled to phone – and being put on hold for long periods of time………so charges may well be same but seems someone is milking them as best they can………..

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Allyjambo asked in who’s name the phone lines were registered to, that’s the question i was answering. Personally I dont care if they hold on for two days.

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Roland BrownPosted on4:05 pm - Aug 22, 2012


John McLean ‏@thehotshot67

… did Sports Direct set up a company Called “RANGERS RETAIL LIMITED” last month? Just wondering?

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Answer= yes they did.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08142409

RANGERS RETAIL LIMITED

Company Information

Registration Date: 13/07/2012
Registration Number: 08142409
Type: Private Limited Company
Company Status: Active
Registered Address

UNIT A BROOK PARK EAST
SHIREBROOK
NG20 8RY
Telephone

Available with free login
Company Accounts

Last Accounts filed up to:
Accounts end date: 31st July
Next due date: 13/04/2014
Last made up date:
Accounts category: NO ACCOUNTS FILED
Annual Returns

Next due date: 10/08/2013
Last made up date:
Company Activities

SIC classification:
None Supplied

Current Directors Appointed Total Appointments Current Historical
Mr Barry John Leach 13-07-2012 29 25 4
Mr David Michael Forsey 13-07-2012 5 5 0

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essexbeancounterPosted on4:06 pm - Aug 22, 2012


paulmac says:
August 22, 2012 at 15:59
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Essex beancounter says:
August 22, 2012 at 13:22
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Paulmac…thank you…the tomtom drums have never got that message to essex…well my ears anyway…!

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iceman63Posted on4:11 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
August 22, 2012 at 12:20
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WRT illegal registrations and therefore eligibility to play,I’ve put together a wee snapshot of 20 players to play for RFC since 2000.They may not all have been regular internationalists but played for their country at one time or another.They may not have had a dual contract also.It’s just to show the possible scale of wrongdoingand to ask if UEFA/FIFA can possibly ignore cheating on the scale suggested.
This list,as you can see is nowhere near complete and also,no Scottish players are included.I assume that if say,stepan Klos played against Dado Prso in an international,then both countries would be fielding,unknown to them,ineligible players.This also applies to European club competitions.

Jörg Albertz Germany
Tony Vidmar Australia
Lorenzo Amoruso Italy
Giovanni van Bronckhorst Netherlands
Andrei Kanchelskis Russia
Arthur Numan Netherlands
Stefan Klos Germany
Michael Mols Netherlands
Bert Konterman Netherlands
Ronald de Boer Netherlands
Peter Løvenkrands Denmark
Fernando Ricksen Netherlands
Shota Arveladze Georgia
Dado Pršo Croatia
Brahim Hemdani Algeria
Saša Papac Bosnia and Herzegovina
Steven Davis Northern Ireland
Kyle Lafferty Northern Ireland
Madjid Bougherra Algeria
Maurice Edu United States

If the 20 players mentioned averaged 10 internationals each whilst at RFC(probably more) then that’s 200 games played which should be declared void,including world cup and european championship games all over the globe.
I’m sure many more names could be added and a bit more research would show exactly how many players played and where.I wouldn’t be surprised if the total of international or club games,excluding domestic fixtures exceeded 1000 games over 15-16 years.
That’s why I think UEFA/FIFA would have to act if /when the illegal registrations are proven.

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Dare I suggest the contrary – that your exposition and detail of the above explains why UEFA/FIFA will be extremely loth to act should the registrations of all of these players be deemed illegal It would render utter chaos to their major competitions and lead to a hideous revision of tournament winners, world rankings, reallocation of moneys, possible law suits running into hundreds of millions of pounds by governing associations against possibly RFC/SFA/UEFA/FIFA.

I think such a scenario of rewriting and revisiting and rescoring all of the above in accordance with the rules regarding the playing of illegally registered players is something they would be desperate to avoid, especially as only one club and only one national association are responsible for the whole sorry saga.

Can of worms scarcely begins to cover it – an ocean of serpents more like!!!

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Roland BrownPosted on4:13 pm - Aug 22, 2012


John McLean ‏@thehotshot67

@ETimsNet Short answer is yes! So 2 guys from SD set up a Ltd Company Call Rangers Retail and it’s a JV. Cheques made payable to ..??? ;D

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@MattLindsayET so is this Charles Green’s 10th Directorship in 6 weeks or ….. pic.twitter.com/LlZatXOI

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Roland BrownPosted on4:15 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Soz this should work,

https://twitter.com/thehotshot67/status/238284415640408064/photo/1

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paulmacPosted on4:17 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Essex beancounter says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:06
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Essex beancounter says:
August 22, 2012 at 13:22
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Paulmac…thank you…the tomtom drums have never got that message to essex…well my ears anyway…!

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I live in Surrey….as does Mr. McBride 🙂

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BrendaPosted on4:18 pm - Aug 22, 2012


He’s getting away with it………… So he’s doing it!! But it’s ok he’s a fit and proper person……the duffers said so and the SFA have ok’d it…….. Come on guys it’ll all be fine…….. Aye right 🙂

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Roland BrownPosted on4:21 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Mike Farrell ‏@mikefstv

Newco Rangers reach club merchandise retail agreement with Sports Direct http://bit.ly/OwD997

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ParmaHamsterPosted on4:26 pm - Aug 22, 2012


FIFA says:

August 22, 2012 at 14:54

I take it there was no offensive singing at the Pawnshop challenge Trophy game at Falkirk last evening ,the winners have been drawn at home to Q.O.South on Sunday 9th Sept,must be another game in Glasgow on the Saturday .Roll up roll up and get your tickets before they are sold out ..
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The same Queen of the South who narrowly lost a Scottish Cup Final to a team chock-full of EBT-holders and dual contract merchants, managed by a duo who (allegedly – for the moment anyway) were also EBT-holders.

One hopes that the Doonhamers use this as an incentive for revenge.

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accies80(Harri159)Posted on4:34 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Sorry, Invisible Line, it’s “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”.

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essexbeancounterPosted on4:35 pm - Aug 22, 2012


paulmac says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:17
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August 22, 2012 at 16:06
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paulmac says:
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Essex beancounter says:
August 22, 2012 at 13:22
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Brian McBride of Amazon is an ex Celtic Director.

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Paulmac…thank you…the tomtom drums have never got that message to essex…well my ears anyway…!

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Paul…thank you again.

I used to live in Surrey…and was much better informed then than I am now in Essex…must be the M25…or the Basildon influence…!

Sorry folks for the OT!

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61patrickPosted on4:38 pm - Aug 22, 2012


From RM
RANGERS Football Club is delighted to announce today a Joint Venture (JV) with retail giant SportsDirect.com that enables Rangers to once again control its retail operation and gives supporters the chance to buy direct from the Club and in doing so, continue to invest in its future.

Rangers Retail, a subsidiary company of The Rangers Football Club Ltd, has been formed with SportsDirect.com which enables the Club to utilise the huge buying power and resources of SportsDirect.com while maintaining the majority stake-holding in the JV.

Sports Direct employs around 19,000 people in over 470 stores in the UK, Europe and the Middle East.

As part of the JV, Rangers will have greater control over the range, price and design of products while benefitting from wider distribution through SportsDirect.com stores, although the Club will control its own Megastore at Ibrox and the online provision for supporters.

This JV pulls on the strengths of all parties – Rangers’ knowledge of the brand, fan base and ability to research and survey supporter opinion and input, marketing and communication and SportsDirect.com’s retail prowess, buying power, merchandising and distribution reach.

Rangers will also be looking at new retail opportunities including an airport site which fans have been requesting for years.

Fans have been keen for Rangers to bring its retail operation back in-house for a number of years in order to improve product range and have more control over merchandise and one benefit of the events of recent months has been the Club’s ability to renegotiate its commercial contracts. Rangers now has the opportunity to create a new JV retail model and as a result, the more that our fans invest in retail products, the more revenue can be generated and re-invested back into the Club.

Supporters will see changes happening from today when the store returns to Club control. Thereafter the transition will happen in stages with a Rangers Megastore website being introduced and then wider distribution throughout the UK and overseas.

Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green commented: “We are delighted to have SportsDirect.com on board as they are one of the world’s top retail brands. This deal will be beneficial to both parties but more importantly the supporters who will be able to buy direct from Rangers once again and support their club.

“This is an exciting opportunity for Rangers to really drive revenues through the sale of merchandise with SportsDirect.com and profits will be reinvested back into the team and the Club.

“Rangers fans are passionate about all aspects of their Club and I know this new deal will improve our retail operation immeasurably and allow fans greater access to Rangers products worldwide.”

A spokesperson for SportsDirect.com commented: “This is a very exciting deal for SportsDirect.com and we are pleased to be forming a retail partnership with one of the UK’s most recognised football clubs. Building on our well established retail and brand experience, we look forward to working with Rangers to offer a wider selection of official apparel and merchandise to their increasingly global fan base.”

All JJB staff contracted as part of the Rangers retail operation will TUPE across to Rangers Retail allowing the Club to maintain continuity with knowledgeable staff.

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iceman63Posted on4:39 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
August 22, 2012 at 12:20
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WRT illegal registrations and therefore eligibility to play,I’ve put together a wee snapshot of 20 players to play for RFC since 2000.They may not all have been regular internationalists but played for their country at one time or another.They may not have had a dual contract also.It’s just to show the possible scale of wrongdoingand to ask if UEFA/FIFA can possibly ignore cheating on the scale suggested.
This list,as you can see is nowhere near complete and also,no Scottish players are included.I assume that if say,stepan Klos played against Dado Prso in an international,then both countries would be fielding,unknown to them,ineligible players.This also applies to European club competitions.

Jörg Albertz Germany
Tony Vidmar Australia
Lorenzo Amoruso Italy
Giovanni van Bronckhorst Netherlands
Andrei Kanchelskis Russia
Arthur Numan Netherlands
Stefan Klos Germany
Michael Mols Netherlands
Bert Konterman Netherlands
Ronald de Boer Netherlands
Peter Løvenkrands Denmark
Fernando Ricksen Netherlands
Shota Arveladze Georgia
Dado Pršo Croatia
Brahim Hemdani Algeria
Saša Papac Bosnia and Herzegovina
Steven Davis Northern Ireland
Kyle Lafferty Northern Ireland
Madjid Bougherra Algeria
Maurice Edu United States

If the 20 players mentioned averaged 10 internationals each whilst at RFC(probably more) then that’s 200 games played which should be declared void,including world cup and european championship games all over the globe.
I’m sure many more names could be added and a bit more research would show exactly how many players played and where.I wouldn’t be surprised if the total of international or club games,excluding domestic fixtures exceeded 1000 games over 15-16 years.
That’s why I think UEFA/FIFA would have to act if /when the illegal registrations are proven.

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Dare I suggest the contrary – that your exposition and detail of the above explains why UEFA/FIFA will be extremely loth to act should the registrations of all of these players be deemed illegal It would render utter chaos to their major competitions and lead to a revision of tournament winners, world rankings, reallocation of moneys, possible law suits running into 100’s of millions of pounds by governing associations against possibly RFC/SFA/UEFA/FIFA.

I think such a scenario of rewriting and revisiting and rescoring all of the above in accordance with the rules regarding the playing of illegally registered players is something they would be desperate to avoid, especially as only one club and only one national association are responsible for the whole sorry saga.

Can of worms scarcely begins to cover it – an ocean of serpents more like

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ExiledCeltPosted on4:41 pm - Aug 22, 2012


accies80(Harri159) says:

August 22, 2012 at 16:34
Sorry, Invisible Line, it’s “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”.

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I was quoting the George Bush version………..:-)

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paulmacPosted on4:45 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Roland Brown says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:15
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One thing caught my eye in your screen shot….Rangers Youth development Limited….that is an existing company registered with the OLD Company….a quick check shows the accounts are over due….

Are we certain Mr. Green is a listed director of this Company?

RANGERS YOUTH DEVELOPMENT LIMITED
IBROX STADIUM
EDMISTON DRIVE
GLASGOW
SCOTLAND
G51 2XD

Other sports activities

Legal Information

Accounts Overdue (as of 29 Jun 12)

Company Registration No.: SC259440

Incorporation Date: 18 Nov 03

8 Years old

Financial Year End: 30 Jun

Capital: £1.00

on 09 Feb 12

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John McLeanPosted on4:48 pm - Aug 22, 2012


I know I’ve read it many times on here, but what is THE main argument re Oldo being the Club (same entity)?

Mike at STV (being of MSM persuasion) has actually tried to explain Newco v Oldco. His being that STV will refer to Newco Rangers when it is a business story but will refer to Rangers when it is an on field story (not evn a The Rangers) 😉

I’m pretty sure this is one of the first proper public debate over this as most of them radio/tv/online tend to just ignore it as it’s easier! TBF Grant is getting pelters ;

Thanks and apologies for my lazy ‘crowdsourcing’ ;

J

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jonnyodPosted on4:49 pm - Aug 22, 2012


If 2012 fc fans are happy to dig deep when CG says he will stand up for the club ,then who are we to argue with them .
All we can do is advise them to try and find out as much as they can regards where that money is going .If they do and are happy with what they find ,then who are we to argue with them.
IMO the lengths ragers fans went to ,in trying to find out who was behind the RTC blog (and not to shake their hand ) leaves them undeserving of any pity if they find out they have been duped .
How much is being invested in 2012 fc (the club ) now that the ST money has been collected ,Other potential buyers stated (after seeing the books )how much would need to be invested to get any new club up and running and I don’t think ST sales will cover it ,so where is the shortfall going to come from .
If it’s from a share issue ,may I advise 2012 fc fans to get assurances that money raised in the share issue WILL be used for solely for the club ,it will be silly to leave it to chance

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jonnyodPosted on4:52 pm - Aug 22, 2012


paulmac says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:45
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Is this not the company Minty set up where ragers ended up paying for any young talent coming from Murky Park

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WOTTPIPosted on4:57 pm - Aug 22, 2012


61patrick says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:38

All JJB staff contracted as part of the Rangers retail operation will TUPE across to Rangers Retail allowing the Club to maintain continuity with knowledgeable staff.
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I hear that some wee lassies in the shop don’t fancy moving to the new operation to which Green replied:-

“It is a great pity that certain staff have chosen this time to attempt to tear up their contracts and walk away from the Club,” the former Sheffield United chief said.

“The Club is facing massive challenges in terms of its league status and the last thing the fans want to see is a dispute between the Club and the sales assistants.

“However, it appears that is the route several sales staff players are choosing. I can assure those staff and Primark and Matalan amongst others who may be interested in taking them on that Rangers will seek damages for breach of contract and for inducement to break contracts.

“The SFA has been considering the issue and has issued a preliminary guidance note on employment issues. That note has made it clear that it is open to the Club to challenge the actions of the staff.

“Our lawyers have written to the SFA today intimating that we do challenge the actions of the staff and explaining why that is. They have also asked that the SFA confirm how it proposes to resolve the dispute between the staff and Club.”

Green added: “We have no wish to go to court on these matters but the staff involved, their boyfriends and shops and hairdressers who may be pursuing these lassies should be in no doubt that we will do whatever it takes to protect the Club’s interests.”

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Carl31Posted on5:09 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Congratulations to The Rangers on achieving the attendance record for SFL3/4th tier of Scottish Football, but no surprise.
Apparently its claimed as a world attendance record for a 4th tier game.
Arguably, it could also be world attendance record for a new club playing its first ever league game at home.
A recent ‘Moan in – Phone in’ hosted by Jim Traynor and Stuart Cosgrove, heard a claim that it reflects poorly on Scottish Football generally that the attendance at the game was more than all other attendances combined that day.

(As an aside:
From Wikipedia… “The Enterprise Act 2002 made reforms to the insolvency act and, from 15 September 2003, the altered procedures for administration were implemented.
Most notably it abolished the Crown’s preferential right to recover unpaid taxes ahead of other creditors.
As such, HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) is now often not paid in full (between 2003–2010 outstanding unpaid taxes to the HMRC amounted to £30 million).”

… on that last stat – can we expect Rangers to set another record where they’re tally comes to more than all the other clubs combined?)

Looking at a few questions, that this record attendance achievement as claimed, might raise…
Is this the first time one club has achieved an attendance for a home game in Scotland that is more than all other association football attendances combined?
… Rangers and Celtic are the teams that have had capacity at their stadia that could have made this achievable in the past (indeed they still have capacity).
Has there been a weekend thats seen this, probably when one side of the OF was at home and the other was away at a low capacity ground which wasnt full? All other games may have needed to have less than full stadia/low attendance.
If some coverage in the Scottish tabloids on Sunday is to be believed (!?!?!?), this could be a once in a lifetime occurrence. I doubt it.

Look no further than the last game of last season’s SPL.
Celtic’s home gate v Hearts was 58,875 – the rest of the SPL were as follows..
Aberdeen v St Mirren 10,716
Dunfermline v Killie 3,276
Inverness CT v Hibs 4,457
M’well v Dundee Utd 7,456
St Johnstone v Rangers 6,459

combined total of the rest of the SPl was 32,364. To surpass the Celtic Park attendance, the other various SFL games need to have achieved 26,511 between them – I very much doubt it.
However the other leagues were, I think, into playoff territory, so its maybe not the best example weekend.

The last Old Firm (as was) game saw attendance at Celtic Park of 58,546. The rest of the SPL managed:
Dundee Utd v Hearts 7,001
Dunfermline v Aberdeen 3,501
Killie v ICT 3,848
M’well v St Johnstone 4,743
St Mirren v Hibs 3,305
which is a total of 22,398. To surpass the Celtic game the rest of Scottish Assoc. Footbal would have had to muster 36,148 – I very, very much doubt it.
I would also venture that attendance at the home of Celtic has surpassed all other gates combined on a number of occasions.
Possibly this has been achieved by Rangers – maybe when they had a capacity home gate v Dundee Utd late last season.
So, the unique aspect bubble of this feat is well and truly burst. It is, nevertheless, a very notable occurrence – achieving such an attendance under the circumstances.

It then becomes notable that the redtops in the MSM are as conspicuous in their fanfare of the non-unique occurence at the weekend, as in their relative silence on the other occasions it happened.
What does it tell us about the state of scottish football? Not very much. About as much as it told us on all those other occasions.

Since it is not unique, then the notability of the event from The Rangers point of view arises due to the re-entry of the Rangers in SFL3 – that this ‘gates of the one outweighing the gates of the many’ is by an SFL3 team.
Since this has come about due to application of rules (albeit loosely, not strictly) by the football administrators in Scotland, I dont see it as a poor reflection on SF, but instead it is more indicative, or indeed totemic, of the fall of the once great team.
This celebration and back-patting extravaganza seems to me to not be logical – this celebration of infamy as if it were fame.
Its like the oldest child ever sent to the naughty step then celebrating the achievement.
Or, maybe, the fattest turkey ever to be prepped and popped in the oven at Christmas, pushing the door open to holler that its achieved a world best.

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WOTTPIPosted on5:10 pm - Aug 22, 2012


jonny says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:49

Can’t say fairer than that.

Green is playing a blinder so far. He has the bears onside and eating out of his hand. At the same time he appears to be carrying out some of his plans, albeit with very little detail coming into the public domain and silence or a lack of progress on other issues.

The thing is that it is not just the fans who need to be wary but the SFA and SFL as well, being they are the ones who have the team on a conditional membership.

At the end of the day Green is going to be a hero or end up the same way as SDM and CW. There will be no half way house down Govan way.

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FiferPosted on5:17 pm - Aug 22, 2012


On the issue of shares, I agree, we must question where our money is going, after Murray and Whyte the fans must be vigilant and wary of new owners.

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taxman comethPosted on5:25 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Fifer says:
August 22, 2012 at 17:17
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On the issue of shares, I agree, we must question where our money is going, after Murray and Whyte the fans must be vigilant and wary of new owners.

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Doesn’t matter where the money goes – it’s gone – you are left with shares that are worthless in what is purported to be a “holding company” but then again if it all goes tit’s up they can just liquidate and start again … then you can buy shares again and again and again.

THE most gullible fans in the world

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rabPosted on5:33 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Tonybananas @ 13:41.

rab says:
August 22, 2012 at 13:16
As far as i am aware the nuclear stuff is related to Smith and Souness and maybe some other ex rangers managers receiving ebt payments while not employed by rangers but actually employed by other clubs or international teams. These teams where involved in some would say inflated transfers between rangers and these clubs, or said managers quitting their posts to be employed by rangers. It is possible that other football figures are involved ( refs and sfa members ) but so far no evidence is available to substantiate that accusation.
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No evidence?

Mark Daly appeared to have evidence that Souness had an EBT. Enough to include this claim in his second BBC doc.

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I could have been clearer, i meant there was no evidence of refs or sfa personell.

P.S

Tony, is bananas a play on words of your surname. Did you play fives in townhead with me a few years ago now. I was your middle brothers best mate. Sorry if i am confusing you with someone else. Sorry for the off topic questions.

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FiferPosted on5:34 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Why do you say that taxman! Not all Rangers fans are gullible, most are ashamed what happened to us, most are honest and would like all the small creditors paid off by the RFFF funds, in fact many an individual has went and paid money owed to them, I personally want all the small creditors paid off, that’s what Rangers were about before conman Whyte arrived, and hope he does time for his crimes. Do you honestly think we feel smug etc, your deluded if you do. The share issue will only be accepted when we know where the money is going and personally, I want to know still who really owns Rangers, and I don’t believe it’s Ticketus or Whyte.

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ollielogiePosted on5:37 pm - Aug 22, 2012


I agree with wottpi – Green will be a hero or villain and I suspect the latter. If the Duffers running costs are to be believed, then selling 33k season tickets at c £250 each will not get TRFC through the season, especially given the recent cavalier signing policy. I’m happy to be patient and watch this unravel while at the same time waiting for Lord Nimmo, FTT, BDO to come along

If you leave aside the distasteful aspects of the TRFC supporters beliefs, behaviour etc I almost feel sorry for them being duped once again…

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MickleenPosted on5:39 pm - Aug 22, 2012


paulmac says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:45

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August 22, 2012 at 16:15
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One thing caught my eye in your screen shot….Rangers Youth development Limited….that is an existing company registered with the OLD Company….a quick check shows the accounts are over due….

Are we certain Mr. Green is a listed director of this Company?
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Forename Charles Surname Green
Title Mr Date of Birth 23/05/1953
Honours Disqualified No
Current Active Appointments 9 Previous Appointments 0
Latest Address Ibrox Stadium Argyle House Latest Filed Home Address
Edmiston Drive
Glasgow
View Consumer Report
Post Code G51 2XD View Trace Report

Linked Directors 29 possible directorships from 11 countries matching this Director.
Click here for details
Current Active Directorships
Company Name ASDFGHJKL LIMITED Company Number SC426693
Company Status Active – Newly Incorporated Function Director
Appointment Date 21/06/12 Company Incorporation Date 21/06/12
Turnover – Net Worth –
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating 38 Credit Limit £500
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

Company Name RANGERS MATCHDAY SERVICES LIMITED Company Number SC389328
Company Status Active – Newly Incorporated Function Director
Appointment Date 14/06/12 Company Incorporation Date 23/11/10
Turnover – Net Worth –
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating 14 Credit Limit £0
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %
Company Name RANGERS YOUTH DEVELOPMENT LIMITED Company Number SC259440
Company Status Financial Statements too old Function Director
Appointment Date 14/06/12 Company Incorporation Date 18/11/03
Turnover £2,381,960 Net Worth -£1,504,622
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating Not Rated Credit Limit –
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

Company Name RANGERS.CO.UK LIMITED Company Number SC207783
Company Status Financial Statements too old Function Director
Appointment Date 14/06/12 Company Incorporation Date 30/05/00
Turnover £244,155 Net Worth -£442,158
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating Not Rated Credit Limit –
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

Company Name RANGERS FINANCIAL SERVICES LIMITED Company Number SC141225
Company Status Non trading Function Director
Appointment Date 14/06/12 Company Incorporation Date 13/11/92
Turnover – Net Worth £0
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating Not Rated Credit Limit –
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

Company Name THE RANGERS SHOP LIMITED Company Number SC132239
Company Status Non trading Function Director
Appointment Date 14/06/12 Company Incorporation Date 04/06/91
Turnover – Net Worth £0
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating Not Rated Credit Limit –
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

Company Name RANGERS MEDIA INVESTMENTS LIMITED Company Number SC207784
Company Status Non trading Function Director
Appointment Date 14/06/12 Company Incorporation Date 30/05/00
Turnover – Net Worth £0
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating Not Rated Credit Limit –
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

Company Name THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED Company Number SC425159
Company Status Active – Newly Incorporated Function Director
Appointment Date 29/05/12 Company Incorporation Date 29/05/12
Turnover – Net Worth –
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating 55 Credit Limit £1,000
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

Company Name SEVCO 5088 LIMITED Company Number 08011390
Company Status Active – Newly Incorporated Function Director
Appointment Date 03/05/12 Company Incorporation Date 29/03/12
Turnover – Net Worth –
CCJ Volume 0 CCJ Value –
Credit Rating 25 Credit Limit £0
Gearing Ratio 0.00 %

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Alex CoxPosted on5:44 pm - Aug 22, 2012


What’s the point in taking over the retail sales just now.

Surely the bulk of sales (this season’s shirts) will already have been made.

Maybe there will be a new shirt coming out, under the sports direct banner.

How is this bringing sales back under Rangers’ control anyway. Surely it’s just through Sports Direct rather than JJB now. What is the difference.

Sounds very much like spin to me. JJB had a contract with Rangers PLC and have chosen not to carry that on with the new club. They have brought in Sports Direct as a replacement retail outlet. Why is that some major retailing coup as it seems to be being hailed as.

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taxman comethPosted on5:47 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Fifer says:
August 22, 2012 at 17:34
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Why do you say that taxman! Not all Rangers fans are gullible, most are ashamed what happened to us, most are honest and would like all the small creditors paid off by the RFFF funds, in fact many an individual has went and paid money owed to them, I personally want all the small creditors paid off, that’s what Rangers were about before conman Whyte arrived, and hope he does time for his crimes. Do you honestly think we feel smug etc, your deluded if you do. The share issue will only be accepted when we know where the money is going and personally, I want to know still who really owns Rangers, and I don’t believe it’s Ticketus or Whyte.
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I have seen little evidence of any contrition from any RFC fans. The fans of the old dead club desperately trying to convince themselves that sevco scotland is rangers.

They are following the same pattern as they did with Whyte and any dissenting voices are quickly shot down.

You can add to the small creditors – the 26,000 shafted RFC shareholders, the debenture holders and remember the tax payer?

All because no one was interested in saving the club, back in 2008 a fans buyout could have paid the 24M tax bill – it may have meant no success for a decade or more, maybe relegation but it could have been done – but no one cared enough.

You and your ilk disgust me

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jonnyodPosted on6:04 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Fifer
May I suggest you look further back than CW for some answers .IMO CW was sourced and did not just roll up .
Now the question is ,was CG sourced or did he just roll up ,If I were you that’s what I would want to find out .
WOTTPI
I am afraid the SFA have made their bed and must now lie in it ,IMO CG won’t give them a 2nd thought

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ZilchPosted on6:05 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Take it easy guys…

Fifer is coming on and saying there is a sense of shame about what has happened. We could discuss how the RFFF has been used to date and point towards how it might have been / could still be better used perhaps?

It is true that there has been little public voicing of regret etc – notable exceptions here and on RTC – so let’s not shoot down someone that at least starts by acknowledging there is a problem?

Fifer – where do you stand on the outstanding tax debt?

What do you think about the use of RFFF money to hire lawyers to defend the current regime?

Who do you think is really running the show down Govan way?

I want to hear from the decent Rangers fans. The Rangers fora are not giving them a voice and I certainly would not encourage anyone to spend time in amongst the material that is regularly posted there.

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on6:06 pm - Aug 22, 2012


From poster Nisi Dominus Frustra on KDS

“The Rangers retail Megastore” sounds like it’s a stand-alone company.

I wonder if that’s “The Rangers Shop Limited”? SC132239 (Previously known as Rangers Crests Limited.(dissolved.) SC132238 Name changed in 1995)
Current Directors (Since 14th June 2012): Charles Green and Brian Stockbridge.

Deudil have the shareholders as Rangers Football Club PLC (99%), with Mr Moonbeams still having 1%. Surely shome mishtake? It also has the trading address as 34 High Street, which appears to be the old Rangers megastore.
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Anyone explain?

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jonnyodPosted on6:14 pm - Aug 22, 2012


With this sports direct deal ,does this mean
HMRC have been shafted
Ticketus have been shafted
JJB have been shafted
Reminds me of an old Meat Loaf track ……two out of three ain’t bad
Dignity my erchie

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FiferPosted on6:22 pm - Aug 22, 2012


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Take it easy guys…

Fifer is coming on and saying there is a sense of shame about what has happened. We could discuss how the RFFF has been used to date and point towards how it might have been / could still be better used perhaps?

It is true that there has been little public voicing of regret etc – notable exceptions here and on RTC – so let’s not shoot down someone that at least starts by acknowledging there is a problem?

Fifer – where do you stand on the outstanding tax debt?

What do you think about the use of RFFF money to hire lawyers to defend the current regime?

Who do you think is really running the show down Govan way?

I want to hear from the decent Rangers fans. The Rangers fora are not giving them a voice and I certainly would not encourage anyone to spend time in amongst the material that is regularly posted there.

A lot of Rangers fans ARE ashamed what has happened to our club, we are all taxpayers and NO one should be exempt! We should have paid the outstanding tax debt from last year and we wouldn’t have been sitting here in Div 3. The use of RFFF money was to help running the club during admin, but know personally of individuals who went and paid small creditors for it NOT to show in D&D last accounts, majority of fans have never trusted Duff&Duffer, paying for lawyer to fight an illegal transfer embargo: should have came to that. Who is running the show at Ibrox? Probably that is one of the reasons I follow this blog, as I knew RTC was correct in many of his/her early posts. I am a proud RFC fan, I hate what Murray, Whyte has done to our club, I’d want us to pay off all small creditors with the money we have raised, I don’t think it can be done yet because of present liquidation hanging over us, I’ve heard many a fan want this also, as for Green, too many are still wary, hated his statement we are debt free, what a statement to come out with!!!!!!
We also don’t want to be parachuted into a SPL2 we want to work our way back up the leagues and hopefully we can do this with youth and hopefully the SPL teams can introduce more youths into their teams.

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ollielogiePosted on6:27 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Well said Fifer , if only there were more like you.

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on6:33 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Can someone help.I may have this wrong.These are details of one of CGs companies:

Name & Registered Office:
ASDFGHJKL LIMITED
CAPELLA BUILDING (TENTH FLOOR)
60 YORK STREET
GLASGOW
UNITED KINGDOM
G2 8JX
Company No. SC426693

Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 21/06/2012

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
None Supplied
Accounting Reference Date: 30/06
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 21/03/2014
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 19/07/2013
Previous Names:
Date of change Previous Name
31/07/2012 RFC 2012 LIMITED
22/06/2012 RFC 0712 LIMITED

This company was formerly named RFC 2012 LTD.Was this not the company formed at the EGM when D&P changed the name of RFC(IA) to allow CG to change Sevcos name?.
Wonder what ASDFGHJKL LIMITED stands for or is it meant to be deliberately obscure?.

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FiferPosted on6:36 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Logie says:
August 22, 2012 at 18:27
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Well said Fifer , if only there were more like you.

Thank you,

There is a lot like me, probably not listened to as much, we do try to educate them, I even took my daughter to her first game at Ibrox against East Fife, and do you know, it was great seeing so many families there that haven’t been before, I only wish with this happening now we CAN rid ourselves of the bile support that are now getting more good fans telling them to ssht at their songs. Sad where we are but hopefully we can come back with some dignity paying all those small creditors off……the BTC !!! I fear but hope .

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on6:40 pm - Aug 22, 2012


New post from Paul McConville:

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/rangers-fc-gets-its-jjb-kit-off-now-time-for-sports-direct-by-ecojon/

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BrendaPosted on6:59 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Dawwell has just put a lot of minds at rest?? rfciastblsevcocheatsfc or whatevertheycallthemselvesnow the ‘history’ is intact, sound, everything is fine? Surely not?

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AuldheidPosted on7:09 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Fifer says:

August 22, 2012 at 17:34

If you go back a few pages to mid day posts there is one by me that links to a possible business model that raises questions on the purpose of a share issue. Is it a means of paying off uncleared debt to Greene and or Ticketus in order for the reduced ticket income to go totally on players wages or will it go towards wages that are unaffordable without that cash injection?

Lack of transparency on the previous business model under Murray was a major contributor to Rangers demise. There is a marked lack of transparency in Greene’s dealings and if I were a Rangers supporter I would want to know where any capital raised from a share issue was going.

Is it either
a) to clear off money Greene borrowed or
b) pay players wages the business model for the next 4 years cannot otherwise afford.

The risks associated with the second should be well understood before any investment is made.

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FiferPosted on7:14 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Thank you Auldheid
I look forward to your posts each day, keep up the good work.

We, must be vigilant with what Green is doing with our money.

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smartie1947Posted on7:17 pm - Aug 22, 2012


My pet hobby-horse again.

22/6/12 – Lord Hodge seeks report from D & P re potential “conflict of interest”
13/7/12 – Expiry of deadline for submission of report. News leaks that Lord Hodge is either on
holiday or about to go on holiday at that time.
8/8/12 – Lord Hodge gives judgment on David Begbie case in Court of Session. ie he is back from holiday.
22/8/12 – Two calendar months from Lord Hodge’s original request. No word on progress, no indication of any date for potential Court hearing.
Meanwhile Scotland’s most significant (and some would say most pressing) administration grinds to a halt on the whim of one senior lawman. A man who could have appointed liquidators on 22/6/12, notwithstanding any enquiry into the administration process.
So what if the fees continue to mount, and as a result creditors including local and national government departments, charities etc, get even less in return from any final distribution to creditors, the law must not be rushed.
And yet not a word of criticism or suggestion from any single quarter that this matter requires some degree of expediency.

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campsiejoePosted on7:36 pm - Aug 22, 2012


smartie1947 @ 19:17

I f you didn’t believe and trust in the impartiality of the judiciary, nobody could blame you if you suspected some sort of deliberate delaying tactic

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StevieBCPosted on7:36 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Whilst waiting for the expected “really bad news”…

I can’t wait until a serious charge is raised by the SFA against a player or manager this season.
For example, a player has assaulted another player during a match. The officials missed it, but it can be viewed from a dozen different angles on TV replays. The SFA carpet the alleged offender.

So, the player is looking at a lengthy ban and possible fine – and he has no reasonable defence…unless he has a smart lawyer wanting to make a name for himself perhaps ?

The defence of last resort ? The SFA rule book is only a ‘guide’ as can be seen by the prior treatment of RFC(IA) and The Rangers.

To apply the intended ban/fine by the SFA would be discrimination against the accused player: just because the said player does not turn out for a ‘Rangers related’ club should not preclude him from receiving similar preferential treatment / bending of the ‘rules’ by the SFA.

Well, worth a try ? 🙂

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TSFMPosted on7:40 pm - Aug 22, 2012


OT folks, but I’ve just added a new media Contacts page to the site. This has been lovingly compiled by Jimmy Bones and should assist if and when one gets the urge :mrgreen:

I believe that Rab is adding some football club contact details as well and these will be added when ready.

After the trolling last night I have been heartened by the return to temperate and forensic discussion today. Thanks to all who have supported our community.

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Stifflers MomPosted on7:44 pm - Aug 22, 2012


The Herald’s dedicated third division correspondent opines:

“The second round of the Ramsdens Cup would never be an illustrious game for either side”.

Illustrious enough for him to go out and watch it apparently. Then write about it.

Apologies to Falkirk fans in advance, but let’s face it, it takes a special kind of pundit that chooses Ramsdens over Champions League and indeed, Falkirk over Helsingborgs. Or should that be Sevco Franchise over Celtic?

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AllyJamboPosted on7:50 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Tic 6709
on August 22 @ 15.44
I have long been of the impression that these types of phonelines have the charge shared between the provider, BT, and the line owner, in this case Sevco or A N Other, otherwise why bother with it? I suspect the line owner gets a healthy chunk of it too. I may be wrong and perhaps someone can confirm. If I am right then it’s a nice little earner for someone, whether going into newco’s coffers or Green’s. If, as you say, Celtic use similar (as do others) we can be pretty certain it is used for the benefit of the club, but can the same be said of newco?

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monster_mindPosted on7:52 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

August 22, 2012 at 18:33

…..This company was formerly named RFC 2012 LTD.Was this not the company formed at the EGM when D&P changed the name of RFC(IA) to allow CG to change Sevcos name?.
Wonder what ASDFGHJKL LIMITED stands for or is it meant to be deliberately obscure?.

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I expect whoever was filling out the form just ran their finger across the middle row of their keyboard.

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Stifflers MomPosted on7:53 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Digressing…..

Sat night in a bar in Partick I found myself defending a Sevco fan that had been asked to turn his old 2011 strip inside out on account of the No Football Strips policy. “Technically” I said to the guy, “it wasn’t a football strip”…..

Talk about deaf ears!

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on8:06 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Rangers Retail.
Do these 2 statements contradict each other:

From Pauls blog.
It started life on 13 July 2012 as SDI Newco No.1 Ltd when it was registered as an English company at Companies House in Cardiff.

On the 14 August 2012 it changed its name to Rangers Retail Ltd.

The company has a shareholding of 100 x £1 fully paid-up shares and all were allotted with the sole company Subscriber named as: Sportdirect.com Retail Ltd.

David Forsey, 46, is a director with a Shirebrook, Derbyshire address, which is the HQ of Sports Direct. The company secretary, at the same address, is Rebecca Tylee-Birdsall. Another director is Barry Leach, 46, with a Wigan address. All three were appointed on 13 July 2012.

From RM.
Rangers Retail, a subsidiary company of The Rangers Football Club Ltd, has been formed with SportsDirect.com which enables the Club to utilise the huge buying power and resources of SportsDirect.com while maintaining the majority stake-holding in the JV.

Now I’ve been known to before but to me Pauls info seems to say that RR are a wholly owned subsidiary of Sports Direct but RM state that RR is a subsidiary of TRFC LTD.
Have I read this right.If so,someone is being economical with the truth.Wonder who?.

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on8:09 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Sorry,
should read,”now,I’ve been known to be wrong before”.

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monster_mindPosted on8:12 pm - Aug 22, 2012


paulmac says:

August 22, 2012 at 16:45

Roland Brown says:
August 22, 2012 at 16:15
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One thing caught my eye in your screen shot….Rangers Youth development Limited….that is an existing company registered with the OLD Company….a quick check shows the accounts are over due….

Are we certain Mr. Green is a listed director of this Company?

RANGERS YOUTH DEVELOPMENT LIMITED
IBROX STADIUM
EDMISTON DRIVE
GLASGOW
SCOTLAND
G51 2XD

Other sports activities
Legal Information
Accounts Overdue (as of 29 Jun 12)
Company Registration No.: SC259440
Incorporation Date: 18 Nov 03
8 Years old
Financial Year End: 30 Jun
Capital: £1.00
on 09 Feb 12

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Charles Green was appointed director of Rangers Youth Development Ltd (incorporated 2003) on 9/7/12, the same day that Andrew Ellis’s directorship of RYD Ltd ended.

(Andrew Ellis became a director on 8/2/12, a week before Rangers FC went into administration. It looks like Phillip Betts also became a director on the same day as Ellis, and had his appointment terminated the same day – a change of plans, a red herring, or another admin cockup?)

I can only presume that the assets CG bought included Rangers Youth Development Ltd, but hopefully our more knowledgeable posters could make better sense of this? (apologies if I’m going over old ground previously covered by others)

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on8:13 pm - Aug 22, 2012


monster_mind says:
August 22, 2012 at 19:52

Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

August 22, 2012 at 18:33

…..This company was formerly named RFC 2012 LTD.Was this not the company formed at the EGM when D&P changed the name of RFC(IA) to allow CG to change Sevcos name?.
Wonder what ASDFGHJKL LIMITED stands for or is it meant to be deliberately obscure?.

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I expect whoever was filling out the form just ran their finger across the middle row of their keyboard.
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Never thought of that, Cheers 🙂

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on8:21 pm - Aug 22, 2012


STV take on the deal with Sports Direct

On Wednesday Rangers newco announced that it was taking over the running of the club’s Ibrox megastore through a subsidiary company called Rangers Retail Limited, which is jointly run by Sports Direct, the retailer set up by Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley.

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Jointly, but how can that be if SD own all the shares?

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Buteo ButeoPosted on8:24 pm - Aug 22, 2012


one benefit of the events of recent months has been the Club’s ability to renegotiate its commercial contracts.

Above was from RM statement re SD deal.

Oh well that’s all right. Onward and upward. Sorry if you feel used and abused but business is business

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campsiejoePosted on8:24 pm - Aug 22, 2012


nowoldandgrumpy @ 20:21

In the world of Sevco all things are possible
Remember this is a business which exists as two entities simultaneously

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Old AuditorPosted on8:26 pm - Aug 22, 2012


monster_mind says:
August 22, 2012 at 19:52

Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

August 22, 2012 at 18:33

I think you’ll find the they failed to do due diligence (again) there was already a Rangers (2012) Ltd

RANGERS (2012) LTD
40 HUNTER STREET
SHOTS
SCOTLAND
ML7 4BS
Company No. SC418962

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TallBoy PoppyPosted on8:36 pm - Aug 22, 2012


nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 22, 2012 at 18:06
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NDF was speculating on the nature of the retail company. Turns out he was wrong, but see Torrevieja Johnbhoy ‘s post above at 20.06. There are still questions to be asked.

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tic6709Posted on8:38 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Allyjambo Taxpayer @19.50.
You could well be right Ally,the man I spoke to could not break it down exactly,it was his comment that it was 10p a min.because they probably had extensions running from the main line,although judging from the complaints of not being able to get through there cant be many of them in the portacabin.Like you I dont think they are being altruistic,that would be totally against the grain (celtic included).

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TSFMPosted on8:40 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Calling CE.

Did you get that mail I sent you?

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on8:42 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Tic 6709 says:
August 22, 2012 at 20:38

Allyjambo Taxpayer @19.50.
You could well be right Ally,the man I spoke to could not break it down exactly,it was his comment that it was 10p a min.because they probably had extensions running from the main line,although judging from the complaints of not being able to get through there cant be many of them in the portacabin.Like you I dont think they are being altruistic,that would be totally against the grain (celtic included).
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Some posters on KDS saying they’ve heard of some bills being over £50. 🙂

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on8:43 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Sorry,wrong smiley.

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Carl31Posted on8:44 pm - Aug 22, 2012


“‘A Slightly Dim Fellow Green Has Just Karate-chopped Legitimacy’ Limited” was shortened by the namer so as not to give the game away… or maybe the namer just ran their finger across the keyboard …

but I’m going with the former.

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Lord WobblyPosted on8:49 pm - Aug 22, 2012


monster_mind says:
August 22, 2012 at 19:52
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Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
August 22, 2012 at 18:33
…..This company was formerly named RFC 2012 LTD.Was this not the company formed at the EGM when D&P changed the name of RFC(IA) to allow CG to change Sevcos name?.
Wonder what ASDFGHJKL LIMITED stands for or is it meant to be
deliberately obscure?.
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I expect whoever was filling out the form just ran their finger
across the middle row of their keyboard.
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It could have been worse. Can you imagine the furore if he/she had simply typed a second ‘A’ after the ‘D’? 😀

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monster_mindPosted on8:50 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

August 22, 2012 at 20:06

Rangers Retail.
Do these 2 statements contradict each other:

From Pauls blog.
It started life on 13 July 2012 as SDI Newco No.1 Ltd when it was registered as an English company at Companies House in Cardiff.

On the 14 August 2012 it changed its name to Rangers Retail Ltd.

The company has a shareholding of 100 x £1 fully paid-up shares and all were allotted with the sole company Subscriber named as: Sportdirect.com Retail Ltd.

David Forsey, 46, is a director with a Shirebrook, Derbyshire address, which is the HQ of Sports Direct. The company secretary, at the same address, is Rebecca Tylee-Birdsall. Another director is Barry Leach, 46, with a Wigan address. All three were appointed on 13 July 2012.

From RM.
Rangers Retail, a subsidiary company of The Rangers Football Club Ltd, has been formed with SportsDirect.com which enables the Club to utilise the huge buying power and resources of SportsDirect.com while maintaining the majority stake-holding in the JV.

Now I’ve been known to before but to me Pauls info seems to say that RR are a wholly owned subsidiary of Sports Direct but RM state that RR is a subsidiary of TRFC LTD.
Have I read this right.If so,someone is being economical with the truth.Wonder who?.

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The two statements don’t make sense to me either. I can’t buy the “joint venture”, “subsidiary of Rangers” spiel coming from RM

The 3rd named person behind Rangers Retail is Barry Leach, who is the head of IBML.

IBML is the licensing subsidiary of SportsDirect.

IBML is behind much of SportsDirect’s profits and market valuation. They buy licensing rights to loads of sports and fashion clothing brands (Dunlop, Everlast, Lonsdale, Firetrap, Full Circle etc.) Mr Leach is often named as a director of companies linked with the licensing agreements (Hot Tuna, Firetrap, Smith and Brooks etc.)

Sounds to me very much like Oldco’s JJB deal, and Sevco have “sold the jerseys”, cashing in on one of their biggest potential revenue streams for jam today and cashflow problems tomorrow.

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TallBoy PoppyPosted on8:53 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
August 22, 2012 at 20:42
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I may be wrong but at one point it was one of Murray’s Companies that the ticketing was outsourced to. (Carnegie ?) Is it not also why the ticket office is in a portakabin, not Edminston Hoose – Murray moved his Response team in. I’d laff if Murray was still fleecing the bears at the princely rate of £1 a minute.

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tic6709Posted on8:56 pm - Aug 22, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

August 22, 2012 at 20:42

Tic 6709 says:
August 22, 2012 at 20:38

Allyjambo Taxpayer @19.50.
You could well be right Ally,the man I spoke to could not break it down exactly,it was his comment that it was 10p a min.because they probably had extensions running from the main line,although judging from the complaints of not being able to get through there cant be many of them in the portacabin.Like you I dont think they are being altruistic,that would be totally against the grain (celtic included).
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Some posters on KDS saying they’ve heard of some bills being over £50.

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Just backs up what Allyjambo and i believe,£50 eh, aye Yorkie is all for the fans alright,and now he’s telling them to buy the new merchandise because the money will be ploughed back into the club,you could not make this stuff up.Talk about a captive audience.Is there such a thing as mass hypnosis ?.

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