Guest Post by Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan
Good Evening,
Last night, I found myself sitting at home when an e-mail arrived from the administrator of these pages suggesting that I write a guest article for all to consider. At that precise moment my television was full of the efforts of James T Kirk attempting to escape the Wrath of Khan, who blames old James T for all his ills and troubles including what he sees as his ridiculous and malicious banishment to a distant star in the middle of nowhere— amongst other things. He seeks vengeance, causes mayhem, and refuses to recognise the rule of law.
It may seem strange, but there is much to be learned from The Wrath of Khan. For example, in the midst of the action Admiral James T acknowledges that when he first faces what is at the time an unknown adversary, in most unusual and unknown circumstances, he ignores rules and regulation and as a result “gets caught with his pants down.”
That is the consequence of ignoring rules and regulation more often than not—even for the good guys.
This is also the movie where we are introduced to the Kobayashi Maru—the supposedly impossible test in which members of star fleet are asked to rescue a stricken ship and its crew without sacrificing themselves, their starship and all members of their crew. The test is meant to be impossible to solve as it cannot be achieved—unless you change the rules of the game!
Captain’s log: Star date 2012; This is the voyage of the Starship Scottish Fitba—and we’re lost!
How can it come to be, that as we approach September 2012 the world of Scottish Football is in such a state of flux and disarray with an unbelievable amount of uncertainty and doubt about fundamental matters and principles, after months when we have seen the spiralling demise of one of our country’s biggest football clubs and the threatened disintegration of the entire system of football administration in Scotland as a result?
Surely after all that has happened in these past months the administrators would have learned to not only play by the rules, but be seen to be playing by the rules, insisting on the rules, and reinforcing the principles and platforms that those rules are based on?
Rangers PLC has ceased to be a part of Scottish football and the failure to deal with that simple fact, even more than the demise of what was regarded as an institution, is baffling in the extreme. The simple fact of the matter is this: There are rules and laws —regulations if you like —which were pre written to deal with such an event. Apply the rules and everyone knows where they stand— ignore the rules and, as James T Kirk points out, you get caught with your pants down!
So far, the rules have been half implemented half ignored. Rangers were automatically deducted points for going into Administration and properly so. They were convicted, by a properly convened independent panel, of various rule breaches, and duly sentenced as a result—again properly so. Thereafter, the company was consigned to Liquidation because it could not pay its debts- with the result that it loses its SPL share and the right to participate in football altogether— and with the further result that it left a trail of unpaid debts to creditors, including football clubs, which ran to millions of pounds.
Further, let’s be clear, The SPL and the SFL only exist with the consent of the SFA. The SFA are the ultimate governing body in Scottish Football, with the two league associations merely management tools to achieve what is supposed to be the efficient management of the game in compliance with the pre agreed rules, procedures and principles that are meant to govern football and football administration. If you wish to play under this system, then you have to accept the very same rules procedures and principles, and there should be no contracting in or out of either membership, or the laws of the game.
Yet when Rangers went into Administration, and stared liquidation in the face, The Administrators, and subsequently everyone from Bill Miller through to Charles Green stated publicly that they, together with the SFA and all of Scottish Football, were facing the Kobayashi Maru whereby maintaining the rules and the principles of the game whilst at the same time saving Rangers FC could not be achieved!
The rules had to be ignored for the sake of expediency cried some press members. Whilst principles are all well and good, you can’t apply them if it means the death of Rangers—Rangers are too big — cried others. If you apply the principles and the rules you will kill Rangers—and yourselves—said some.
It would appear that when it came to Rangers and their wellbeing, some took the view that principles were not quite so important and that, no matter what, Rangers FC had to be saved—- and there it was—the impossible task— The Kobayashi Maru!
I wonder if those who spouted that argument looked at The SFA website in any detail? Because there it states specifically that the SFA wants its coaches to educate all its young players, trainee managers and future coaches to “ Honour the game-respect your opponent- play to the rules–value sportsmanship–redefine winning- not just focusing on match results and league positions- and to help produce positive, respectful, and confident people with useful life skills“. Presumably those life skills include playing by the rules, valuing integrity, behaving with honour and respecting the position of others and so on.
Yes—It is hard to believe—but all of those phrases are direct quotes from the Scottish Football Association webpages—they are the words of the SFA themselves. How could they be seen to abandon such principles—especially when they so publicly proclaim them?
What a choice then for the SFA—abandon your principles—or lose an institution—The Kobayashi Moru! You just can’t win!
Except, Green & Co—and I include sections of the media in that phrase—clean forgot who was sitting the Kobayashi Moru test. The SFA were never faced with the test—if anything it was their rules that posed the test for whoever wanted to try and save Rangers. In the end, nobody was willing to attempt that task under the existing rules. No one was prepared to come along and pay the debts and so save the club—and at that stage it was Rangers and Rangers alone who faced the Kobayashi Moru.
Green, by way of his Servco company, then sought admission into the footballing world at a time and under circumstances which the rules dictated must result in failure. He had no accounts, no history in the game, effectively no players and nothing that would suggest that he could meet the criteria of the pre agreed rules for entry into the SFA.
It was at this juncture that the footballing executives made the error of ignoring the rules and principles that govern our game—the ones that the SFA espouse on their own website. They tried to shoe in Green against all the rules, with the result that supporters, fans, and club chairman voted them down and left them with their pants firmly glued to their ankles in Kirk speak.
The SFA, at the instigation of the member clubs from all leagues, then played the Kirk role in attempting to solve The Ibrox Kobayashi Moru by changing those rules with the agreement of the majority, so that Mr Green and his cohorts could gain membership, by effectively agreeing to allow Green’s Servco to obtain membership of the SFA on a conditional basis— with one of those conditions being that Mr Green’s company will pay ALL outstanding football debts—and make no mistake Captain Green accepted that he would play by those rules as otherwise he faced oblivion.
Here is what Green said as published on the SFA website following the signing of the 5 man agreement:
“The agreement signed today allows Rangers to be granted membership by the SFA and finally enables the Club to move forward.
“The Board, the Manager and senior executives have been working tirelessly over the last few weeks to secure the future of the Club and today is the start of that process.
“The Board has had to take some very difficult decisions to gain SFA membership, including accepting the delayed transfer ban and paying outstanding financial penalties. But we are now able to get back to playing football and plan for the new season, starting this Sunday with our match against Brechin.”
The website also reported that Servco had been granted conditional membership with one of the conditions being – “Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to settle all outstanding football debts to other members of the Scottish FA plus clubs under the jurisdiction of other Football Associations.”
You will note that nowhere does it state that the SFA or the SPL will pay any of the footballing debts out of any money supposedly due to the second place team in season 2011/2012 as Charles Green appears to claim – and besides it is obvious to everyone that Servco did not participate in the league during that season and so cannot be entitled to any such payment as they were not Registered with the league nor had membership of the SFA or SPL.
Rangers PLC were so registered, but if they were due any money that money would go to their Administrators. However, given that Rangers PLC were the Registered body and were convicted of offences which were described as only second to match fixing, then it follows that they should not be allowed to profit by so much as a penny in that season as a result of their rule breaking activity. Had they been expelled from the league they would have been entitled to nothing at all, and it should be remembered that it was the same Mr Green who took that situation to the Court of Session with the result that the court sent the case back to the panel with the clear instruction that such a penalty may well be appropriate and that in the circumstances the tribunal may have little alternative but to impose such a sanction.
Clearly, this is a scenario that Charles Green had to avoid. In this instance he ignored the footballing rules of not going to courts of law, and found himself with his pants down and facing the Wrath of The Court and the Kobayashi Moru whereby any technical success at the court was likely to result in certain extinction by way of expulsion from the league.
Now Captain Green seems intent on steering his starship into yet another dead end with fatal consequences. He claims that the Scottish Football debts are paid. If we ignore for the minute that he has never attempted to pay any footballing debts outwith Scotland – thus jeopradising his conditional acceptance into the SFA— his claim that it was agreed that these debts would be paid by the SPL or the SFA out of 2011/2012 prize money is derisory.
No fundamental principle of fair play, respect for opponents and attempt at honouring the game could allow for such a situation. Besides the SFA were quite clear in their statement and he has at no time demurred. From the date of the 5 man agreement onwards Captain Green undertook to pay all of the footballing debts— and if he doesn’t, then again he risks the withdrawal of his conditional membership. There is no other solution to the issue. Those are the rules he signed up to, and if you ignore the rules………….
However, this entire affair still has far to go. Where is the transparency and clarity championed by Henry Mcleish and oft promised by Stewart Regan and others? Why are the details of Green’s investors and his business plan, timescales for meeting obligations and everything else about his operation kept so secret? Given the history of those who have been in charge of Ibrox over the last twenty years, the complete failure of their administration and what is now known about their tenure there and in football generally,— and given Green’s latest public statements—, does it not occur to the SFA that the rest of Scottish football has a right to know the details of what they have been told and what Green has promised?
He has promised to clear the footballing debts and appears to be making little attempt to do that whilst his manager hails as triumphs the signing of what he sees as the best players from other teams at relatively huge expense—whilst the debts remain, and the obligations are unfulfilled.
Again that cannot be right and goes against all principles of respecting opponents and honouring the game. It is a circumstance that amounts to the antithesis of the principles espoused by the SFA and appears to be completely contrary to the mandate given to Regan and the powers that be by the clubs and fans of all divisions. Further, the current position gives the impression that Mr Green believes that he can run his company and participate in football as and how he wants, as and when he wants and under his terms and conditions.
This smacks of previous regimes that hovered around Ibrox for far too long with ultimately disastrous results particularly for Rangers fans, investors and creditors.
History cannot be allowed to repeat itself under these circumstances and the SFA must bring pressure on Green to pay the obligations that he undertook to meet within a publicly known timescale. Not only does he need to do that for the benefit of the clubs owed money—he needs to do it for the sake of the integrity of the whole of Scottish football, and he should not be allowed to build at team or field a team if he breaches the agreement. That should be the rule.
He should not be allowed to sacrifice publicly proclaimed and nationally accepted principles for the sake of his own financial expediency “for the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few—- or the one!”
Oh—and lest anyone think that it is mere trivia to link the current plight of Scottish Football with Star Trek and the Wrath of Khan, and that any such comparison is childish and of little consequence, that last quote was specifically relied upon, referred to and quoted in the Supreme Court of Texas in a decision issued on 22nd October 2010 in the case of Barbara Robinson, Individually and as Representative of the Estate of John Robinson, Deceased, Petitioner against Crown Cork & Seal Company, Inc., Individually and as Successor to Mundet Cork Corporation, Respondent— thus bringing the undoubted logic and wisdom of Mr Spock well and truly into the Law of the United States of America!
Few would argue that Spock’s logic is not a sound legal principle!
It also seems to me that perhaps Spock had some solid business advice for those who choose to ignore the rules with a view to seeking short term gain or advantage—whether that be by way of trophies, money, position or what have you—but peril their entire existence by engaging in unlawful or illegal activity. It is advice which was ignored apparently by Sir David Murray and his board and by Craig Whyte and his entire cabal. We wait to see if Charles Green will have learned the lesson that they so clearly didn’t, or whether he believes in the potential rewards of the quick fix at any cost?
Live long…….. And prosper!
A Expert says:
August 17, 2012 at 21:19
Has anyone else noticed Ally has ballooned in weight, is even more ruddy cheeked and greyer and thiner in the hair department and also that his team couldnae beat carpets? Or is it just me?
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I have to say
Ally can be any colour, weight or shape he likes as long as he stays in post as the Sevco Mgr
His incompetence as a Manager,Motivator and Tactician is the only bright spot in this entire saga
The Invisible Line says:
August 17, 2012 at 10:01
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More uber menschen propoganda from the Red Tops……………
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-set-to-shatter-fourth-tier-1265251
RANGERS are set to smash the world attendance record for a fourth-tier league match when they host East Stirling tomorrow.
The Ibrox side are confident of pulling in more than 40,000 punters for their first home Third Division fixture – which would shatter the previous highest for a fourth-tier game set by Crystal Palace in 1961.
A crowd of 37,774 watched their English Fourth Division clash with London rivals Millwall but that is expected to be dwarfed by Gers fans heading to Govan for the historic occasion.
A crowd that could be in the mid-to-high 40,000s is already being anticipated by Rangers.
And the final figure could present an embarrassment for the SPL whose combined attendance for last weekend’s five-game fixture card was 40,383.
The Ibrox club are bracing themselves for a bumper crowd and a spokesman said: “We will comfortably get past the 40,000 mark and the attendance could be in the mid-to-high 40,000s.”
Ally McCoist’s side have already smashed the 30,000 season-ticket barrier and are also threatening to better the world record attendance for a third-tier match.
That feat was achieved in 1979 as 49,655 fans turned up to watch a derby game between Sheffield Wednesday and Sheffield United.
Punters have been queueing at the Ibrox ticket office all week and an afternoon of history against the Shire is on the cards both on and off the park.
SFL chief David Longmuir believes the prospect of Rangers breaking the world record underlines the power of football in Scotland.
He said: “It shows the appetite for the game remains strong and it would be a remarkable achievement. We’re also delighted to see East Stirling share the occasion and play their own part at Ibrox on Saturday
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Ipox is not big enough to do it, some team in Brazil got 67k +/- already. More lies by the DR and the rest.
Smell the glove says:
August 17, 2012 at 22:36
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Surely these guys can deliver the truth and a just punishment: ….
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Yes, I’m sure that they can. They have a great track record and I’m sure their ruling will be appropriate.
But….. will any ruling be applied ? Can you see the SPL actually doing anything ? Sevco will take it to court, it will be referred back, bounced to the SFA for a final judgement, delayed again, watered down, etc, etc, etc.
That’s what happened with the Transfer Embargo fiasco. If there is one thing these guys are good at its breaking rules.
And it shouldn’t be anything to do with Sevco, it’s a historical Oldco problem, but that’s also been completely mucked up with both the transfer of share, and football club is separate to business shambles. Lots of posters have already said it; the football authorities have created a huge problem with all of this.
With a bit of luck, the full ruling will at least be published, in the interests of transparency !
alan280170 says:
August 17, 2012 at 22:56
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Within 4 hours of that hitting the news stands, this was placed on just about every fans’ website in Scotland.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_3/6686951.stm
Once again, the Retard printing Uncle Jack’s fibs as gospel.
alan280170 says:
August 17, 2012 at 22:56
Oh dear I hope they don’t turn out to have been duped .
As for the MSM ,good on them the more fans that turn out for Scottish football the better but a word of warning ,The rangers fans have still not caught on to the MSM lapdogs part in putting their club out of existence ,if they help to do it to 2012 fc they better get their CVs up to date .
I used to get angry at the MSMs lax approach to the way DM was running ragers ,I though why are they burying bad news about ragers all the time .I now realise that instead of helping ragers by not running bad news stories about them the MSM were in fact instrumental in their demise .
ParmaHamster
The game you refer to was a play-off final, not an ordinary league game.
Just as TBK earlier in the day found a Cup-tie that featured a 4th tier team against a 3rd tier team.
As for the guy with the “game in Brazil” perhaps he can provide more details and a link.
Please be accurate and compare like with like gentlemen.
Jonny,
100% correct. The msm are now part of the problem. As any 1st year student of Journalism can tell you, when you become the story, as opposed to reporting or investigating it, you’ve had it as a career. This is a case study and a thesis for the future now. Any freshers embarking on your first year studies in college in this field, good luck !
CW says:
August 17, 2012 at 01:46
‘—-Come on guy’s, let’s talk it over a nice can of Irn Bru !..’
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(Sorry, CW, it’s only now that I’ve seen your very sensible post)
.You’re absolutely right in what you say OUGHT to be the case.
it just seems that ,unfortunately, it is not the case in so far as many people believe that a particular kind of bias has been, and is, the main reason why the SFA have not acted against RFC(IA) as it ought properly to have done right at the beginning, and the reason why so many of the MSM were ready to misreport and propagandise on the part of that club in such a consistently supportive way, and not even attempt to do a thorough public interest job of getting right in there asking awkward questions.
So while the blog is not a forum for religious discussion as such (heaven forfend!) an awareness of the at least indirect relevance of people’s perceptions about its connection with the Rangers saga is necessary.
Here’s to your fair-mindedness and desire that we all be honest-to-God football fans when all this is over.
shouting from a distance says:
August 17, 2012 at 16:11
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Is there any chance that we could summarise our questions that we have to the SFA / SPL on this matter and send it in to them in the forum’s name and politely ask for answers to the questions currently vexing the contributers to the forum? It would seem to be a way of trying to solicit the answers that the compliant media are unwilling to ask. At the very least it is worth a try. They can only refuse and then the situation can be cranked up from there.
Just a thought.
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I say again, only an Official Public Enquiry under oath could unravel this whole sordid affair !
It’s the biggest public scandal in Scotland since The Duchess of Argyll had her way with the famous Headless Man (aka Douglas Fairbanks Jnr), or when St Mirren sacked Fergie way back in ’77 (OMG, we could have been European Champions, if only !)
Seriously, I’ve been looking on at this sorry tale for nearly 2 years now, mainly on RTC’s old site. I was attracted by the input of many professional opinions, and also amazing insights into how The Financial/ Legal World really operates. If anything, this site and RTC’s site may have spawned the beginning of a new batch of Legal/ Financial Eagles ready to lead Scotland through the next century !
My eyes have certainly been opened into the skullduggery that One can achieve if One wants, without having to face the consequences.
The one thing, however, that has been bugging me, apart from the inconsistent BBC Reporting (Our unbiased National News Corporation !) is the common links (or names) that seem to eminate from The Rangers (Old or New !) / Sevco/ Wavetower/ Ticketus / Duff & Phelps / MIH / and a few more (quite a few more !) that I can’t remember.
I do a bit of Genealogy myself, but I would love to research “The Rangers Family” over the last few years. I’m sure Social Services would have a field day about “Inter-Breeding !”
I admit it’s purely instinct I’m going on, but too many names seem to be inter-linked in this whole affair.
Add to that the English factor ! By the English factor, I mean the latest comparisons to Portsmouth FC, in the same situation as RFC at the moment. Not being derogitory here, but all the main players in this sordid story are not from The West of Scotland.
Mr Green also has previous in the English game with Sheffield Utd, none too complimentary from what I’ve read !
On the genealogy front, there also seem to be links along the way between Portsmouth and Rangers.
My opinion of “SEVCO” ?
The old RFC were like a wounded Wilderbeest, hunted down by a determined Lion (HMRC).
The Lion could never find the Wilderbeest (or rather could not pin anything on him !)
A bunch of Vultures (SEVCO) were waiting in the wings, like the scavengers they are ! They are flying in the Sky, looking down, they can see The Wilderbest panting for it’s life !
What do they do, it’s easy meat down there, but they’re too lightweight to do it themselves.
“Let’s call in “The Jackal/ Laughing Hyena”, aka Mr Whyte. He will speak to The Lion, and tell him everything is Cosha ! “. The Lion say’s, “OK, but you better be Cosha !”
“The Laughing Hyena” buys a bit of time, by which time The Wilderbeest has died. The Lion comes back and say’s “You said you would look after him, you let him die ! I can’t eat him now. He is too old. “The Laughing Hyena” then says, “Sorry Big man, I have failed. I shall dispose of The Corpse for you”
“The Laughing Hyena” then looks up to the sky, gives the Vultures a Wee Nod, and down they swoop !
Rich pickings for all. Later on, The Head Vulture gives “The Laughing Hyena” his reward for setting the whole thing up ! What a great stitch up this has been.
As I say, Public Enquiry needed !
Arabest says:
buckfastswallier says:
August 17, 2012 at 19:44
I remember a similar thing happening to Tommy Burns at Celtic and to Paul Sturrock at Tannadice, albeit in very different circumstances, their health was hammered with the pressure of the job. I will be astonished if McCoist is in post next year, it is taking so much out of him.
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Yes, but also thinking Sturrock could escape from Scotland because he didn’t have the gravity of Glasgow. That weight multiplied ten fold around the neck of Ally McCoist. Is it a weight McCoist brought on himself, or does it show the absence of choice he had. By absence of choice I do not mean to excuse McCoist, only to outline the mindset and limitations of reason when it comes to engaging with Sevco fans, more so those who see themselves as representative of that fuzzy pattern of brain waves that is known as a malignant and pervasive group cognitive dissonance.
I.E. Lunatics/ Mass Hysteria/ Pigeons/ Pish Flaps/ Frankenstein’s Granny
Just Catching up with TSFM. Three posts stand out, sorry, two posts and the excellent leader by BRTH
The other ones are Nawlite 14.05., I suggest everyone on here should read his/her blog again. He brings focus and clearheaded thinking to the blog. He points the way to how we can as a community punch above our weight by concentrating on the core issues.
I enjoy a bit of banter as much as the next person, but when I see personalised attacks on people (Mc Coist’s weight gain as an example) I feel this is not the way to go, and I feel these cheap shots diminish our message.
The other post by (RAB) makes a very good point and IMO has great potential.
Sorry about the lecture.
First time poster: Celtic fan who reads this to try and keep msm reporting in perspective and really enjoyed rtc: Given how obvious it is that every person who has managed either Celtic or Rangers has looked much older than they should once the job kicks in its of limited value to the discussion to comment on how stress has made McCoist look older etc. It doesn’t add anything. Regardless of motives it’s not unsurprising that he is feeling the strain of what he is dealing with. I’m no apologist for him, I just don’t see how it’s relevant and it feels a bit too much like crowing.
Senior
RE McCoist’s weight gain detracting from the core issues.
I agree, a focus on the body can take our eye off of the bigger picture. However, what has been written tonight is a ‘joining up’ of what we see with our own eyes and the theories (bigger picture) of what is going on in Scottish Football.
To this extent, McCoist’s increasing mass is not an unimportant point of interest.
I have heard NASA are showing an interest in his gravitational pull.
john clarke says:
August 17, 2012 at 23:43
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CW says:
August 17, 2012 at 01:46
‘—-Come on guy’s, let’s talk it over a nice can of Irn Bru !..’
—-
(Sorry, CW, it’s only now that I’ve seen your very sensible post)
.You’re absolutely right in what you say OUGHT to be the case.
it just seems that ,unfortunately, it is not the case in so far as many people believe that a particular kind of bias has been, and is, the main reason why the SFA have not acted against RFC(IA) as it ought properly to have done right at the beginning, and the reason why so many of the MSM were ready to misreport and propagandise on the part of that club in such a consistently supportive way, and not even attempt to do a thorough public interest job of getting right in there asking awkward questions.
So while the blog is not a forum for religious discussion as such (heaven forfend!) an awareness of the at least indirect relevance of people’s perceptions about its connection with the Rangers saga is necessary.
Here’s to your fair-mindedness and desire that we all be honest-to-God football fans when all this is over.
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John,
It’s no problem. I can see where your point lies now. I agree with your assessment, The SFA should have acted earlier and took up the baton. They didn’t, and the whole thing has dragged on since Feb 14th.
RFC would have been shown the door in any other walk of life !
Unfortunately, they are back, still mouthing off the same old songs, as arrogant as ever, blaming everyone else for their downfall !
One question, though, in the last 6 Months, what have CFC had to say about it ? Nothing, that’s because they can’t wait to see their old pals back in The SPL again !
If their ever was a Bias towards Rangers, then surely Mr Lawwell would have been shouting from the rooftops for their dismissal ? He hasn’t !
So whilst I agree that the SFA have really made a mess of things, I can also ask why Celtic FC have been as quite as a Mouse !
Now is their biggest chance to challenge what has been going on recently, to avenge all the the paranoia of the past. The silence is quite deafening actually !
The queston has to be asked ?
Followed RTC avidly from the early days but lacking a degree in tax law or accountancy, kept quiet. However when it comes to being annoyed by the actions or inactions of those who have a duty of care over scottish fitba, I’m just another ass**** with an opinion.
This is my moderation post but while waiting, is anyone else annoyed by the continued use of the phrase “the company that formerly ran Rangers” in the BBC reports?
DeeperStill
“is anyone annoyed” oh dear … as an MD for lots of years (and a scottish football fan) the answer to that is ,,,
YIP!
J
Felling a bit lost this evening! I engaged a lot (far too much) with TRFC fans today. Jeez ‘WE/they’ just don’t get it!
Rule 1: Don’t mention SEVco
Rule 2: Don’t mention The Rangers PLC
Rule 3: Don’t mention The Rangers
Rule 4: Don’t accept the SFA
Rule 5: Don’t agree with any governing body rulings …
This is ridiculous!
Volume down!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ITMRHJnaJY
Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(The owner does not respond.)
Mr. Praline: ‘Ello, Miss?
owner: What do you mean “miss”?
Mr. Praline: I’m sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint
Owner: We’re closin’ for lunch.
Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue…What’s,uh…What’s wrong with it?
Mr. Praline: I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it, my lad. ‘E’s dead, that’s what’s wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, ‘e’s uh,…he’s resting.
Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I’m looking at one right now.
Owner: No no he’s not dead, he’s, he’s restin’! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn’it, ay? Beautiful plumage!
Mr. Praline: The plumage don’t enter into it. It’s stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! ‘E’s resting!
Mr. Praline: All right then, if he’s restin’, I’ll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) ‘Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I’ve got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you
show…
(owner hits the cage)
Owner: There, he moved!
Mr. Praline: No, he didn’t, that was you hitting the cage!
Owner: I never!!
Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!
Owner: I never, never did anything…
Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) ‘ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o’clock alarm call!
(Takes parrot out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)
Mr. Praline: Now that’s what I call a dead parrot.
Owner: No, no…..No, ‘e’s stunned!
Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?
Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin’ up! Norwegian Blues stun easily, major.
Mr. Praline: Um…now look…now look, mate, I’ve definitely ‘ad enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not ‘alf an hour
ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein’ tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.
Owner: Well, he’s…he’s, ah…probably pining for the fjords.
Mr. Praline: PININ’ for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got ‘im home?
Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers keepin’ on it’s back! Remarkable bird, id’nit, squire? Lovely plumage!
Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the
first place was that it had been NAILED there.
(pause)
Owner: Well, o’course it was nailed there! If I hadn’t nailed that bird down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent ’em apart with its beak, and
VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
Mr. Praline: “VOOM”?!? Mate, this bird wouldn’t “voom” if you put four million volts through it! ‘E’s bleedin’ demised!
Owner: No no! ‘E’s pining!
Mr. Praline: ‘E’s not pinin’! ‘E’s passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘is maker! ‘E’s a stiff! Bereft of life, ‘e
rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed ‘im to the perch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies! ‘Is metabolic processes are now ‘istory! ‘E’s off the twig! ‘E’s kicked the
bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
(pause)
Owner: Well, I’d better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I’ve had a look ’round the back of the shop, and uh,
we’re right out of parrots.
Mr. Praline: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Owner: I got a slug.
(pause)
Mr. Praline: Pray, does it talk?
Owner: Nnnnot really.
Mr. Praline: WELL IT’S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?
Owner: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)
Mr. Praline: Well.
(pause)
Owner: (quietly) D’you…. d’you want to come back to my place?
Mr. Praline: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.
Interesting thoughts about how much tv monies TRFC may get, however should they get any given their SFL membership status.
From KDS:
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/leading-the-field/
It seems that (assuming they have special dispensation from the ‘associate members get nothing’ rule) there’s two possibilities:
*It’ll be distributed equally between all 30 SFL clubs (so about £33,000 to Sevco)
*It’ll be used to extend the ‘capped limit’ – currently £1.2m. 75% of this is distributed evenly between the clubs, and the remaining 25% is given out based on league position (ie used as prize money). So if the entire £1m was added to this year’s capped limit, Sevco would get £25,000 now and possibly more later (£50k-ish? Wild guess) if they win Div3
All the above is based on the tv deal being £1m a year. It also assumes there hasn’t been some really shady backroom deal giving Sevco more than their fair share of the cash – I can’t see the SFL chairmen going for that somehow.
I thought the BBC News article – http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19300338 – about Nimmo Smith’s latest adventure was fair apart from another SDM “plug” but it also says
“The Ibrox club’s use of the EBT scheme was the subject of a tax tribunal, which has yet to deliver a verdict”
My understanding, from reading RTC, is that HMRC have ruled that tax is due on the EBT scheme and a tax tribunal is now determining the penalties due. Am I correct ? If so, this is (another) serious misrepresentation of the facts by the MSM.
MSM again – have a laugh at this one – http://goo.gl/ufx3Z
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/ally-mccoist-staggered-by-level-of-ibrox-support-for-rangers-1-2474915
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/ally-mccoist-vows-to-fight-sfa-charge-over-comments-1-2475712
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/mccoist-well-do-proper-sell-out-saturday.18619428
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/lennon-knows-how-black-feels-to-be-victim-of-boo-boys.18620324
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/bottom-line.18619298
Thanks Stunney – up early for a Saturday?
Poor Sally, just standing up for the club ?
Yeah – if I remember correctly, he was (eventually) charged by the SFA for bringing the game into disrepute when he called for the tribunal to be named and shamed although (a) oldco had agreed and signed up to the tribunal process and (b) oldco were already aware of who had sat on the tribunal. His comments had the effect of “rousing the rabble” who caused no end of trouble to the guy who was a Raith Rovers director.
Is this yet another example of MSM distorting the truth ?
This is what the SFM blog is trying to expose and stop.
Smell the glove says:
August 17, 2012 at 22:40
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Don’t worry, it’s on ticketus.
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I’m not seeing the actual nuts and bolts of the ‘Ticketus connection’.
Much of this blog highlights the precarious financial position of Green Rangers. If it is teetering on the brink of another collapse then Ticketus will see no reward, will they?
Surely for the theory of the active Ticketus behind-the-scenes stuff to work there has to be several years of season ticket dosh handed over? And that means the club has to thrive and prosper, after a fashion.
If Green Rangers are hardly at break-even (and I’ve read that they are already in debt) where’s the money to be siphoned off coming from? My sketchy thinking wonders:
* Will it be from a shut down very soon (within a year) and a sell off of the actual buildings and properties?
* Or via a 2-3 year plan to run at minimal expense while taking in the maximum from STs and other income?
* Or, will they actually give it a go and sit it out for the long term and try to sell a rejuvenated club when the markets have revived?
Scottish Daily Express
(THE) GERS THREATEN TO SNUB SPL
RANGERS may look to stay in the Scottish Football League even if they win three successive promotions.
There have already been informal talks inside Ibrox about snubbing a return to the SPL as feelings continue to run high over the perceived treatment of the club. And last night’s announcement on the make-up of the tribunal to investigate alleged employee benefit trust payments between 2000 and 2011 has added fuel to the fire.
Lord Nimmo Smith, Charles Flint QC and Nicholas Stewart QC will look into possible rules breaches and determine any sanctions. While this has been expected, it has not improved the “persecuted, not punished” feeling within the club or the perception that Rangers have been the subject of a witchhunt. As a result, the prospect of taking some sort of revenge has been mooted. Staying within the SFL and having nothing more to do with the SPL has been talked about.
“People at the club will have long memories, “Express Sport was told.”They will remember exactly how they have been treated and by whom.” Staying within the SFL and having nothing more to do with the SPL has been talked about.” Clearly, there would be huge issues involved in that, but by considering putting their weight behind the SFL, the club feel the SPL could be left isolated in the future. ” it could be that the SFL turn out to be the more powerful body”.
By staying outside of the SPL, there would be no prospect of European football for Rangers but the fact rebellion is being discussed within the corridors of power at Ibrox demonstrates the depth of feeling within the club.
Several cash-strapped SPL clubs as well as the SFA will be watching the situation closely.
http://www.scottishsundayexpress.co.uk/posts/view/340525/Gers-threaten-to-snub-SPL
Well, well. Oh dear oh dear. After this mornings offerings in the newspapers they may just as well all call themselves different branches of the The Rangers News. Quite pathetic really, immature, badly written, poor diction, and propaganda at it’s worst. The fourth estate in Scotland yet again proving they are a disgrace
Thanks for the papers Stunney – is the Herald’s report of 36k STs sold believable? Someone kindly prepared a spreadsheet showing financial projections for t’gerrrs this year. Does 36k x £240 make it more or less likely that ticketus will get their £ back anytime soon given that Sally seems intent on spending as much as possible on wages? (excellent post on the financial spiders web btw – as they say, follow the money!) 🙂
Thank you stunney for taking time and effort to bring us all the morning papers.
Danish Pastry says:
August 18, 2012 at 07:21
What if in the near future CG announces a share issue ,IMO you, the fans were always going to be the ones who started any new club .
If the share issue is aimed at raising say 20m ,I would advise the supporters to try and find out as much as possible where that money will be going .
If you think back to CGs comments when D King urged the creditors to refuse a CVA .CG said what real rangers supporter would say that as it would result in the club /history all being gone .
Why then now after the CVA failed has 2012 fc been doing everything to convince the supporters that it’s rangers .
Could it be that they need you (the fans ) to believe it is as to get you to part with your money .
Could it be that all the talk of how much you have been punished is to launch a share issue on the back of a “they are all against us but we will show them “stunt .
Of course this is only my opinion ,it’s up to the rangers supporters to make up their own minds .
Danish ,I would be a bit worried if I were a 2012 fc football fan ,the way this kicking us when we are down nonsense has been fuelled has IMO instilled a deep resentment in a lot of moderate rangers fans and I don’t think it will help 2012 fc to move forward on a positive footing .
If you are going to the game today I would be interested in your take on the atmosphere (ie the singing ) compared to last season (ex Killie game )
Cheers Stunney but rather than giving the papers the hits could you cut and paste the articles instead. Cheers again and could I have egg on toast, soft boiled and a side order of fried potatoes.
Mickd – trouble is the copyright – newspapers all have the not to be published without permission etc.
Can someone post or point me in the direction of the link to TRFC Ltd (c 2012) projections spreadsheet please?
According to Graham Clark of the Sunday Express,
“People at the club will have long memories,” Express Sport was told. “They will remember exactly how they have been treated and by whom.”
“Express Sport” was told, it says. I’ve never met Mr Sport but I’m sure he is a hard working conscientious journalist and has checked his sources authority to speak for “people at the club”
They won’t need long memories anyway. 29th May 2012 wasn’t that long ago.
THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
IBROX STADIUM
150 EDMISTON DRIVE
GLASGOW
G51 2XD
Company No. SC425159
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 29/05/2012
I think people assuming an immediate financial failure are forgetting just how front loaded football is. the main income stream is season tickets which are paid up front, some are paid over four months. Even then it can be relied on.
So taking season tickets sales of 35,000, even if that is an average price of £300, that would be £75 per month for four months. or about £2.5m per month over the next four months. That is enough to keep the business going, albeit it is spending the clubs income for the year in the first four months. However if the share issues can be arranged during that four months then that is where the income comes from for the rest of the year. That takes the business back into the next round of season tickets.
Financial meltdown is not imminent, however problems are being put back a few months. The “solution” is based on a successful share issue which will bring in money for the original investors. Assume a £30m issue. Take £10m for running the club and £20m as a return for the investors. That is enough to keep the business running, with a healthy return, in effect people doubling their money.
The gamble is simply whether the share issue succeeds. With the safety net of the assets. If it works you have doubled your money and you still really own the company / assets.
rab @ 19:04
jw1949 @ 17:46
Re: Club Contact details
SPL, SFL & Highland League in process ( temperamental laptop allowing).
Partly correct. HMRC have assessed the tax due on the EBT scheme and submitted that assessement to OldCo (In administration). Minty has appealed that assessment when he was still in charge and the MBB permitted Minty to continue that appeal on behalf of Oldco when he bought it for his shiny pound.
The tribunal is to decide how much of HMRC’s assessment is actually due. It will then apply interest to those dues. It is unlikely to decide on penalties. These are usually subject to another tribunal. Howewver there is little point in another tribunal sitting to determine penalties as that is likely to be collected at a fraction of a penny in the pound
jw1949 says:
August 18, 2012 at 05:01
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stunney says:
August 18, 2012 at 07:53
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Gers threaten to snub SPL
Thanks for the posting guys; I got up today and was feeling a wee bit low; cheered me up no end – there’s misguided, there’s delusional, and then…. there is the MSM re Sevco – I was trying to think of a single word for this and then remembered the definition already created on here that sums it up – Psychophancy.
gers threaten to snub SPL??????
If they trounce through the leagues as ‘threatened’ where exactly are they going? Their ‘threats’ get more ridiculous by the day, I don’t think it’s only sally’s physical health that should be a concern……. He’s actually starting to believe what he reads in the msm, when’s this nuclear moment going to be? Can’t wait to see sally’s wee glaiket (spelling) coupon while uttering but but Charlie said!!! 🙂
TSFM, Many, many thanks ,extremely sorry for the panic.
WRT the Sevco situation I keep trying to come up with an analogy to spare Gers fans the trouble of thinking.
Does this hit the mark?
“It’s like when Ratners went bust and Aldi took over the store lease, paying for a bunch of shop fittings and some bits and pieces of stock that they could then flog. They kept the staff on too though they were retrained for a different market (league).
Had Aldi suddenly become Ratners? No. Had Aldi inherited 100 years or whatever of track record in the jewellery business? No. Ratners were gone, finished.”
Ratners FC anyone? 🙂
/ Red Lichtie
Brenda @ 09:25
They have learned nothing, absolutely nothing
Having been given a life line that they didn’t deserve, they revert to type
They know that the powers that be and the cheerleaders, see them and treat them as being the old club, and empowered by this they start to spout their supremacist crap, and begin to threaten and bully once again
I despise them, I really do
Jim @ 9:51am
rats will do!
All week on SSB, fans of that new-club/co have been on bumping their gums and celebrating the fact that they’ve ‘renewed’ their ST! (Well, the ones who’d managed to get to Ibrox and queue for it and not been trying to get through on the phone!!)
Ahem … could someone explain to me how you can ‘renew’ something which didn’t exist a few months ago! Did any of the talking heads on this show, which is becoming more & more like a live version of FF, think about putting this point to the deluded caller, or even ask them if they are sitting in the same seat/part of the stadium. No, of course not!
Football starts today, time to look out the fixed odds coupon.
Think I will miss out completely any Scottish games as there is a chance they may have been fixed “for the good of Scottish Football”.
Good Morning.
No surprise to see the MSM sinking to a new low, absolutely pathetic.
As for the fans of Sevco/The Rangers when the results start to go against their team I am sure that they will vanish like snow off a dyke.
They have learned nothing about honesty, integrity and above all humility. They are deluding themselves. They have not been punished, far from it. They have only suffered consequences as a result of the spiv style of mismanagement over the years.
When the dust settles, and it may take a few years, they will come to realise that SDM, Whyte, Murray, Greene are all one and the same.
That the SFA have shamelessly ignored the rule book to accommodate a pheonix is a disgrace which will come back to haunt Scottish football for years.
The fact is Scottish Football does not need Sevco and Scottish Society certainly does not need a club which will do nothing but reinforce the bogitry. Will Charles of Sevconia join in the song book today?
Does it suit the member clubs who make up the SFA or are they prepared to call an EGM and rid us of the culprits who wander the corriders of power?
Or will the SFA waken up realise that they have made a monumental mistake and withdraw the conditional membership? Somehow I would not hold my breath
The only record to be broken at Ibrox today will be for mass gullibility.
A shuffling mass of delusional, bilious dupes, clutching newly purchased, branded pyjamas and strait-jackets close to their chests, throwing all remaining cash into Charlie’s giant, galvanised bucket.
Green must be marvelling at how easy it’s all proved to be.
http://m.scotsman.com/news/glenn-gibbons-pat-fenlon-s-anger-is-that-rangers-now-shop-in-the-same-market-1-2475612
nowoldandgrumpy says:
August 17, 2012 at 19:50
Is there not also nice bit of triangulation between Allenby and our hero at Merchant House?
http://www.merchanthousegroup.com/rns/company-update-annual-report-total-voting-rights-and-change-of-adviser-and-broker
MSM (We too are Ra Peepul), are now in denial and delusional overdrive with their paranoid reporting, spouting more and more drivel at an ever increasing, and alarming (for the rest of Scottish Football), rate.
Things have gone well beyond ‘throwing their toys out of the pram’, and acting out of wilful spite as they failed to help save RFC1872
They also, as there sales shrink , seem unable to realise that by ‘clutching at the straw’ on offer (i.e. reporting the truth as per RTC/TSFM) , they might just be able to make some amends to the Scottish Football public which could, in turn, save them some respectability and, who knows, even help increase sales.
Or … am I now getting delusional?
And …what’s next – a DR petition, signed by?, to have RFCIASTBL jettisoned INTO the SPL asap – for the good of Scottish Football of course?
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What’s happened to McCoist? Pretty sure I’m not misremembering this but he did appear to be a decent guy. Once. His recent behaviour has become quite shocking to me. Just defending his club, you understand. I suppose it’s nice that he feels such loyalty towards a club barely a few months old. Demanding names on behalf of the fans in a call for transparency when all involved are doing their best to ensure transparency is nowhere near Govan is amazing. He is not a stupid man and knew exactly what would happen.
His dig at Sell out Saturday was so disappointing and totally uncalled for. The footballing community got together to do something positive and that should be celebrated rather than mocked. It may have been a ‘failure’ but nowhere near as monumentally gigantic a failure of his beloved once club. A failure he was very much part of.
SFA Notices of Complaint re: McCoist: full link:
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2566&newsCategoryID=1&newsID=10362
Fair Paraphrasing of SFA Notice;
• “Not acting in the best interests of Association”-
• “Bringing the Game into disrepute”
• “Calling into question, the independence of the Judicial Panel”
• “By requesting, that the members of the Judicial Panel, be named in public”
As I remember it the Police were called after personal threats received, some went into personal hiding with their families for their personal safety, seeking Police protective custody advice, which was given, and one Panels Club had to employ overnight security guards on fire watch after their ground stands were threatened to be burned down. That`s only what was reported. Goodness knows what else was loose – and the incident was – four [4] months ago!
That`s anything but the impression portrayed by the MSM – ALL – the MSM – today and yesterday
In my view the most disgraceful episode in this entire saga – and reported across the world
If he made a mistake in the heat of the moment and is sorry then well and good. But he wants to “fight”
tombrann
The use of the term “bigotdome” isn´t appropriate.
If you must use it there are other forums that will lap that type of language up.
If this forum tolerates such language then it becomes something other than it wants to be.
[SFM] Agreed. That one slipped by as I have been tweaking the moderation.
Yesterday on twitter from Gregory Ioannidis @LawTop20
The plans for re-structuring Scottish Football are ready. The question remains if Celtic wish to be part of these plans.
This restructuring we keep hearing about … I’m going to agree that it is needed. I’m also going to try and ignore the feeling that the only reason we are doing it this year is to fast-track a new member into the top league.
The problem I have with it is that we seem to talk about numbers (10, 12, 14, 16) or another SPL layer. I think that an SPL2 is just SFL1 with a new badge. Nothing really changes. Similarly altering the size of SPL1 is just shifting deckchairs around.
So here’s a suggestion (fire-resistant coat on):
Create a 20-team Scottish Professional League. No promotion of relegation. Scotland is not big enough to support more than that. If another club wants to go professional and has a business case that supports it then the number can grow.
Split the season in two. Part 1 involves splitting into two groups of 10 based on league position the previous year so that one group contains 1, 3, 5 .. 19 and the other 2, 4, 6 .. 20. Teams play home and away so we have 18 games. The aim is to qualify for Part 2 by finishing in the top half of your mini-league.
Part 2 takes the top and bottom teams to create another two leagues of 10. This is the business end of the season when the top 10 teams battle for European places.
Part 1 could be played in the summer, with the rules set up to encourage early games to focus on youth and/or players who qualify to play for Scotland. That and most of the senior players being on holiday in June will help. The aim is only to qualify so larger teams can take risks. We will also get a better TV deal in the summer months.
Points totals are rest between the mini leagues. So really the league becomes an 18-game sprint. We may see more teams putting a run together and certainly wont have anyone claiming the league is won by Halloween.
It will make good reading at the end of the season to read back over Sally’s after match speeches ,I am sure their will be some crackers ,manager of the month SFL3 all season and manager of the year,the trophies will just keep comming ,exciting times ahead ,roll up roll up the circus really is in town.
For the second time in a week, the BBC website peddles this drivel:
“EBTs were administered by the company that formerly ran Rangers and is now in the process of being liquidated.”
I think what Mr McCoist did in relation to that panel was an absolute disgrace. It was intended to cause intimidation to them and to any future panel. It was crude bullying and he knew what he was doing, he knew how a faction of the fans would react. He has been involved in Scottish football for years and knew exactly what he was doing.
The fact that he was being disingenuous, and already knew the names made it even worse, that made it quite clear that all he was doing was risking the safety of people and their families to further his own agenda. In relation to a football team. Neither the people concerned or their families were as important as that.
One final note, the anonymity of panels was agreed unanimously. His club voted for it, so his rants about openness and transparency had no basis. It is quite clear he was simply playing to the crowd and increasing their paranoia and blood lust.
Any respect the man deserved before that was immediately lost. The fact that he is now defending his actions only reinforces that. He is a disgrace to Scottish football.
Still on the subject of SSB (I know, I know!), I thought the way Keevins and Delahunt dealt with a caller (Sean) towards the end of last-nights show was nothing short of scandalous. He was mocked, patronised and treated with utter contempt for having the cheek to suggest the SFA were not fit for purpose …Keevins even accused the guy of being ‘riddled with paranoia’.
I work in customer service and if I spoke to any of my customers in this way I’d be out of a job faster than you can say ‘internet bampot’!
If we have learned anything over the last few months, it’s that we are anything but paranoid … you’d think that arrogant fool Keevins especially would know better after the endless crap he’s spouted over the last year. He, more than most, is in no position to patronise anyone!
McCoist is a pathetic little man who has let the mask slip and revealed a wee ned, not the happy chappy he led everyone to believe he was ( I worked with him many years ago and was taken in!!) the SFA really need to hammer him and charge his club for the expenses incurred by his rabble rousing of the hordes. Green has a set agenda which in the long run will not benefit the peepil! And mccoist will get his just desserts as most bullies do eventually 🙂 he is making an absolute @ss of himself!! and the silence from brown, jardine, smith, smith and the likes proves that point. Can’t wait till it all goes mammaries skywards. It will happen …… Call it women’s intuition ……. Gut feeling ….. Has never failed me yet 🙂
Kilgore Trout @ 09:15 and rab @ 19:04 and JW1949 @ 17:46
Great, I’ll concentrate on media contacts and will try to send in a list by the end of tomorrow (Sunday 19th).
Campeonato Brasileiro Serie D
July 2011
Santa Cruz v Central
Attendance 45007
Not sure if this is a world record however I am sure that when I attended school “D” would designate the fourth tier.
Once again with just a little effort the DR could get a fact correct- but why would they want to do that.
[Tweeted that for you. Hope you don’t mind – SFM]
Lord Wobbly (@ 10.09 Aug 18.),
G.Gibbons actually gives not a bad summary of the situation, and he does point out that the problems lie at the door of both DM and CW, although my opinion is that CW was only reacting to the situation he found himself in.
Nowhere is there any evidence of “Pat Fenlon’s anger” as headlined. PF simply points out that a Div 4 outfit is competing for players with his Div 1 club. Also interesting to read elsewhere that Neil Lennon has to sell before he can buy. Integrity has its price.
you may want to remind uefa about the new club in division 3.
http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/profile/index.html
mickd says:
August 18, 2012 at 08:32
Cheers Stunney but rather than giving the papers the hits could you cut and paste the articles instead.
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Mickd – trouble is the copyright – newspapers all have the not to be published without permission etc.
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I believe I said this once before – why not a precis of the articles, or a list of the main points they’re making. Would that not get round copyright?
Though I’m not sure links shouldn’t also be included. It would allow anyone to check the source if they wish (though with a clear warning that they may feel unclean after doing so).
[Cleaned that up for you – hope that helps! – SFM]
Damn, can’t we have an edit function, my last sentence was almost gibberish.
jonny says:
August 18, 2012 at 08:20
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Danish Pastry says:
August 18, 2012 at 07:21
What if in the near future CG announces a share issue …
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Thanks jonny, yes, the share issue, I see. Where there’s muck there’s brass 🙂
PS I don’t attend Ibrox
Agrajag on August 18, 2012 at 08:45
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Thanks for that. Very clear and I await the outcome of the flotation….good time to be going to the stock market selling shares in a recently formed SFL D3 club… 🙂
Brenda says:
August 18, 2012 at 11:28
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Ally McCoist was identified early in his career as a potential “Rangers great” he had all of the right background and was likely to be a success on the park. A Rangers man through and through and a talented goalscorer.
The problem was that he was also a ned. An awful lot of money was put into changing his public image. This included teaching how to speak, how to act and more importantly how not to act. It was almost a footballing version of pygmalion.
The thing is, a bit of sandpaper and a coat of varnish doesn’t really change a things basic nature. It might look the part but deep down it is still the same. Under pressure it will revert to type.
Still on the subject of SSB (I know, I know!), I thought the way Keevins and Delah*nt dealt with a caller (Sean) towards the end of last-nights show was nothing short of scandalous. He was mocked, patronised and treated with utter contempt for having the cheek to suggest the SFA were not fit for purpose …Keevins even accused the guy of being ‘riddled with paranoia’.
I work in customer service and if I spoke to any of my customers in this way I’d be out of a job faster than you can say ‘internet bampot’!
If we have learned anything over the last few months, it’s that we are anything but paranoid … you’d think that arrogant fool Keevins especially would know better after the endless crap he’s spouted over the last year. He, more than most, is in no position to patronise anyone!
(Re-post, due to Delah*nt)