The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan

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The Continuing Voyage of Scottish Football – and the Wrath of Khan

Guest Post by Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan

Good Evening,

Last night, I found myself sitting at home when an e-mail arrived from the administrator of these pages suggesting that I write a guest article for all to consider. At that precise moment my television was full of the efforts of James T Kirk attempting to escape the Wrath of Khan, who blames old James T for all his ills and troubles including what he sees as his ridiculous and malicious banishment to a distant star in the middle of nowhere— amongst other things. He seeks vengeance, causes mayhem, and refuses to recognise the rule of law.

It may seem strange, but there is much to be learned from The Wrath of Khan. For example, in the midst of the action Admiral James T acknowledges that when he first faces what is at the time an unknown adversary, in most unusual and unknown circumstances, he ignores rules and regulation and as a result “gets caught with his pants down.”

That is the consequence of ignoring rules and regulation more often than not—even for the good guys.

This is also the movie where we are introduced to the Kobayashi Maru—the supposedly impossible test in which members of star fleet are asked to rescue a stricken ship and its crew without sacrificing themselves, their starship and all members of their crew. The test is meant to be impossible to solve as it cannot be achieved—unless you change the rules of the game!

Captain’s log:  Star date 2012; This is the voyage of the Starship Scottish Fitba—and we’re lost!

How can it come to be, that as we approach September 2012 the world of Scottish Football is in such a state of flux and disarray with an unbelievable amount of uncertainty and doubt about fundamental matters and principles, after months when we have seen the spiralling demise of one of our country’s biggest football clubs and the threatened disintegration of the entire system of football administration in Scotland as a result?

Surely after all that has happened in these past months the administrators would have learned to not only play by the rules, but be seen to be playing by the rules, insisting on the rules, and reinforcing the principles and platforms that those rules are based on?

Rangers PLC has ceased to be a part of Scottish football and the failure to deal with that simple fact, even more than the demise of what was regarded as an institution, is baffling in the extreme. The simple fact of the matter is this: There are rules and laws —regulations if you like —which were pre written to deal with such an event.  Apply the rules and everyone knows where they stand— ignore the rules and, as James T Kirk points out, you get caught with your pants down!

So far, the rules have been half implemented half ignored. Rangers were automatically deducted points for going into Administration and properly so. They were convicted, by a properly convened independent panel, of various rule breaches, and duly sentenced as a result—again properly so. Thereafter, the company was consigned to Liquidation because it could not pay its debts- with the result that it loses its SPL share and the right to participate in football altogether— and with the further result that it left a trail of unpaid debts to creditors, including football clubs, which ran to millions of pounds.

Further, let’s be clear, The SPL and the SFL only exist with the consent of the SFA. The SFA are the ultimate governing body in Scottish Football, with the two league associations merely management tools to achieve what is supposed to be the efficient management of the game in compliance with the pre agreed rules, procedures and principles that are meant to govern football and football administration. If you wish to play under this system, then you have to accept the very same rules procedures and principles, and there should be no contracting in or out of either membership, or the laws of the game.

Yet when Rangers went into Administration, and stared liquidation in the face, The Administrators, and subsequently everyone from Bill Miller through to Charles Green stated publicly that they, together with the SFA and all of Scottish Football, were facing the Kobayashi Maru whereby maintaining the rules and the principles of the game whilst at the same time saving Rangers FC could not be achieved!

The rules had to be ignored for the sake of expediency cried some press members. Whilst principles are all well and good, you can’t apply them if it means the death of Rangers—Rangers are too big  — cried others. If you apply the principles and the rules you will kill Rangers—and yourselves—said some.

It would appear that when it came to Rangers and their wellbeing, some took the view that principles were not quite so important and that, no matter what, Rangers FC had to be saved—- and there it was—the impossible task— The Kobayashi Maru!

I wonder if those who spouted that argument looked at The SFA website in any detail? Because there it states specifically that the SFA wants its coaches to educate all its young players, trainee managers and future coaches to “ Honour the game-respect your opponent- play to the rules–value sportsmanship–redefine winning- not just focusing on match results and league positions- and to help produce positive, respectful, and confident people with useful life skills“.  Presumably those life skills include playing by the rules, valuing integrity, behaving with honour and respecting the position of others and so on.

Yes—It is hard to believe—but all of those phrases are direct quotes from the Scottish Football Association webpages—they are the words of the SFA themselves. How could they be seen to abandon such principles—especially when they so publicly proclaim them?

What a choice then for the SFA—abandon your principles—or lose an institution—The Kobayashi Moru!  You just can’t win!

Except, Green & Co—and I include sections of the media in that phrase—clean forgot who was sitting the Kobayashi Moru test. The SFA were never faced with the test—if anything it was their rules that posed the test for whoever wanted to try and save Rangers. In the end, nobody was willing to attempt that task under the existing rules. No one was prepared to come along and pay the debts and so save the club—and at that stage it was Rangers and Rangers alone who faced the Kobayashi Moru.

Green, by way of his Servco company, then sought admission into the footballing world at a time and under circumstances which the rules dictated must result in failure. He had no accounts, no history in the game, effectively no players and nothing that would suggest that he could meet the criteria of the pre agreed rules for entry into the SFA.

It was at this juncture that the footballing executives made the error of ignoring the rules and principles that govern our game—the ones that the SFA espouse on their own website. They tried to shoe in Green against all the rules, with the result that supporters, fans, and club chairman voted them down and left them with their pants firmly glued to their ankles in Kirk speak.

The SFA, at the instigation of the member clubs from all leagues,  then played the Kirk role in attempting to solve The Ibrox Kobayashi Moru by changing those rules with the agreement of the majority,  so that Mr Green and his cohorts could gain membership, by effectively agreeing to allow Green’s Servco to obtain membership of the SFA on a conditional basis— with one of those conditions being that Mr Green’s company will pay ALL outstanding football debts—and make no mistake Captain Green accepted that he would play by those rules as otherwise he faced oblivion.

Here is what Green said as published on the SFA website following the signing of the 5 man agreement:

“The agreement signed today allows Rangers to be granted membership by the SFA and finally enables the Club to move forward.

“The Board, the Manager and senior executives have been working tirelessly over the last few weeks to secure the future of the Club and today is the start of that process.

“The Board has had to take some very difficult decisions to gain SFA membership, including accepting the delayed transfer ban and paying outstanding financial penalties. But we are now able to get back to playing football and plan for the new season, starting this Sunday with our match against Brechin.”

The website also reported that Servco had been granted conditional membership with one of the conditions being – “Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to settle all outstanding football debts to other members of the Scottish FA plus clubs under the jurisdiction of other Football Associations.”

You will note that nowhere does it state that the SFA or the SPL will pay any of the footballing debts out of any money supposedly due to the second place team in season 2011/2012 as Charles Green appears to claim – and besides it is obvious to everyone that Servco did not participate in the league during that season and so cannot be entitled to any such payment as they were not Registered with the league nor had membership of the SFA or SPL.

Rangers PLC were so registered, but if they were due any money that money would go to their Administrators. However, given that Rangers PLC were the Registered body and were convicted of offences which were described as only second to match fixing, then it follows that they should not be allowed to profit by so much as a penny in that season as a result of their rule breaking activity. Had they been expelled from the league they would have been entitled to nothing at all, and it should be remembered that it was the same Mr Green who took that situation to the Court of Session with the result that the court sent the case back to the panel with the clear instruction that such a penalty may well be appropriate and that in the circumstances the tribunal may have little alternative but to impose such a sanction.

Clearly, this is a scenario that Charles Green had to avoid. In this instance he ignored the footballing rules of not going to courts of law, and found himself with his pants down and facing the Wrath of The Court and the Kobayashi Moru whereby any technical success at the court was likely to result in certain extinction by way of expulsion from the league.

Now Captain Green seems intent on steering his starship into yet another dead end with fatal consequences. He claims that the Scottish Football debts are paid. If we ignore for the minute that he has never attempted to pay any footballing debts outwith Scotland – thus jeopradising his conditional acceptance into the SFA— his claim that it was agreed that these debts would be paid by the SPL or the SFA out of 2011/2012 prize money is derisory.

No fundamental principle of fair play, respect for opponents and attempt at honouring the game could allow for such a situation. Besides the SFA were quite clear in their statement and he has at no time demurred. From the date of the 5 man agreement onwards Captain Green undertook to pay all of the footballing debts— and if he doesn’t, then again he risks the withdrawal of his conditional membership. There is no other solution to the issue. Those are the rules he signed up to, and if you ignore the rules………….

However, this entire affair still has far to go. Where is the transparency and clarity championed by Henry Mcleish and oft promised by Stewart Regan and others? Why are the details of Green’s investors and his business plan, timescales for meeting obligations and everything else about his operation kept so secret? Given the history of those who have been in charge of Ibrox over the last twenty years, the complete failure of their administration and what is now known about their tenure there and in football generally,— and  given Green’s latest public statements—, does it not occur to the SFA that the rest of Scottish football has a right to know the details of what they have been told and what Green has promised?

He has promised to clear the footballing debts and appears to be making little attempt to do that whilst his manager hails as triumphs the signing of what he sees as the best players from other teams at relatively huge expense—whilst the debts remain, and the obligations are unfulfilled.

Again that cannot be right and goes against all principles of respecting opponents and honouring the game. It is a circumstance that amounts to the antithesis of the principles espoused by the SFA and appears to be completely contrary to the mandate given to Regan and the powers that be by the clubs and fans of all divisions. Further, the current position gives the impression that Mr Green believes that he can run his company and participate in football as and how he wants,  as and when he wants and under his terms and conditions.

This smacks of previous regimes that hovered around Ibrox for far too long with ultimately disastrous results particularly for Rangers fans, investors and creditors.

History cannot be allowed to repeat itself under these circumstances and the SFA must bring pressure on Green to pay the obligations that he undertook to meet within a publicly known timescale. Not only does he need to do that for the benefit of the clubs owed money—he needs to do it for the sake of the integrity of the whole of Scottish football, and he should not be allowed to build at team or field a team if he breaches the agreement. That should be the rule.

He should not be allowed to sacrifice publicly proclaimed and nationally accepted principles for the sake of his own financial expediency “for the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few—- or the one!”

Oh—and lest anyone think that it is mere trivia to link the current plight of Scottish Football with Star Trek and the Wrath of Khan, and that any such comparison is childish and of little consequence, that last quote was specifically relied upon, referred to and quoted in the Supreme Court of Texas in a decision issued on 22nd October 2010 in the case of Barbara Robinson, Individually and as Representative of the Estate of John Robinson, Deceased, Petitioner against Crown Cork & Seal Company, Inc., Individually and as Successor to Mundet Cork Corporation, Respondent— thus bringing the undoubted logic and wisdom of Mr Spock well and truly into the Law of the United States of America!

Few would argue that Spock’s logic is not a sound legal principle!

It also seems to me that perhaps Spock had some solid business advice for those who choose to ignore the rules with a view to seeking short term gain or advantage—whether that be by way of trophies, money, position or what have you—but peril their entire existence by engaging in unlawful or illegal activity. It is advice which was ignored apparently by Sir David Murray and his board and by Craig Whyte and his entire cabal. We wait to see if Charles Green will have learned the lesson that they so clearly didn’t, or whether he believes in the potential rewards of the quick fix at any cost?

Live long…….. And prosper!

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1,316 Comments so far

Smell the glovePosted on7:25 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Celtic. The only Scottish team never to have played in any other league than Scotlands top tier. Now that’s a record to be proud of.

Sally is a ned.

CG is there to get back TicketUs money.

The novelty of playing in the third will wear off and Ibrokes will be empty on match days. Especially if the league is won by christmas.

There’s a good chance BDO will nullify CG’s ownership and the newclub will be liquidated. Also, we can likely look forward to prosecution of ex directors.

Cheer up. The party is only beginning. 🙂

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SquigglePosted on7:31 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Those and such as those will be starting to sit a bit easier after this weekend.
All is back to normal at the cesspit, the ‘new’ rangers have a leader who can talk much like some they’ve had before, their manage is happily talking down to the rest of the world and keeping the bears on tenterhook for attack and the fourth estate are back at the trough – didn’t we do well.

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AngusPosted on7:31 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Smell the glove says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:25

Celtic. The only Scottish team never to have played in any other league than Scotlands top tier.

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Really? No blinkers at Parkheied, then! 🙂

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Larsson7Posted on7:34 pm - Aug 19, 2012


smallteaser
I think it was my post you refered to re the mention of the referee.
okay hands up I missed the start of the second half and missed the County goal and following incident. I have now had to put up with the last 24 hours from my mates who have taken great pleasure in reminding me of what an erse I am.
I will ensure I watch the full game in future before jumping in.
p.s. still think my other points stand and I did get over 60 TU’s

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chancer67Posted on7:36 pm - Aug 19, 2012


I posted last night but it got stuck in moderation so here goes again.It seems that the internet bampots are finally making inroads to phone ins, on Clyde last night a caller called on Delah*nt and the assembled panel to grow a pair and do their job ie ask the questions that we all want answered.There was an embarassing silence but alas not one of the panel that included Wishart would take up the challenge.

If anything they were a tad annoyed that an internet bampot had ruined the Ibrox love in and the world record attendance (don’t laugh),but it shows we are getting to them and we need to keep phoning these programmes until the penny drops that we are here for the duration.

SSB and the BBC phone in could be the key to getting the truth out there and showing these “sports journalists” up for the joke that they are.

We could have a concerted campaign to call these chancers and i am sure the points would be put with intelligence, reason, passion and the one thing that will eventually turn the tide,the truth.

These guys have got away with towing the party line for too long and its time to make a difference.The reason I singled out Wishart is that this guy is in charge of negotiating on behalf of the players in Scotland and his performance yesterday was shocking.He is supposed to be up to speed on legal matters regarding the game but he continually blatantly bats for sevco,if he was my union man id be worried.

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coineanachantaighePosted on7:39 pm - Aug 19, 2012


An Aberdeen supporter Angus??

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Jules12Posted on7:50 pm - Aug 19, 2012


What is this blog really about? Rangers or corruption in Scottish football?

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AngusPosted on7:58 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Mr Bunny says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:39

An Aberdeen supporter Angus??
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🙂

If I had a quid for every time I’ve been called Aberdeen Angus in various locations around the world, with each person considering it a shiny new example of human wit … that and having to put up with years of the opening riff of “Whole Lotta Rosie” at school …

As for Ibrox being empty later in the season – does it matter, if they’ve sold the number of season tickets they claim? The cash is already in the bank. Their only worry will be next season, and the one after (SPL2 notwithstanding).

That’s when the season ticket sales will be way more interesting.

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nostarsandbarredPosted on8:00 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Timalloy says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:14
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LOL 🙂 – Fantastic statistic for the Football Entity Currently Known As Sevco Scotland

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Smell the glovePosted on8:05 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Yes, Angus, along with Aberdeen. 😉
My poor old memory is going.

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AngusPosted on8:05 pm - Aug 19, 2012


As for Sevco FC being called Rangers in the press and elsewhere … can we not just drop that one?

Or is everyone going to start saying Heart of Midlothian and Hibernian when referring to the Edinburgh teams?

“Rangers” is a contraction of their legal name. We *know* they’re not Rangers, whose funeral will be held shortly. It’s not that big of a deal.

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BigrabbitPosted on8:10 pm - Aug 19, 2012


JJ says:
August 19, 2012 at 10:57
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JimmyBones…..Wow, is MacPherson aware of the import of what he has admitted in the reply above? He is saying that the media in general, and the Herald in particular, do not have the resources or acumen to report the twists and turns in the Rangers/Sevco saga. Which begs the question – why buy their papers?
In any event, he could have got all he needed from RTC! After all, that’s where some of his rivals got their “exclusives” (Jeezo, Even Keith Jackson got an award for his Tickitus story, months after it was on RTC)
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JJ he certainly is saying “that the media in general, and the Herald in particular, do not have the resources or acumen to report the twists and turns in the Rangers/Sevco saga.”

He is not alone, Read Nick Davies Flat Earth news.

Also, http://www.football365.com/mediawatch

Example
Rob Beasley:-
‘Liverpool football club manager Rafa Benitez has reached a five-figure libel settlement with the News of the World after it reported that he blamed his bosses for the club’s poor season last year. He claimed that a story from 10 February headed: “It’s your fault – Benitez in new blast at owners” was defamatory, and demanded unlimited damages.
‘He said the story meant he blamed the club’s owners for ruining his team’s title hopes and excused himself any responsibility for the team’s poor performance by cynically blaming the owners for destabilising the club.
‘Benitez sought aggravated damages, saying that News of the World journalist Rob Beasley did not write his story based on an interview with him, but instead based it on an interview published in the Spanish El Mundo.’
The last few words “but instead based …. published in the Spanish El Mundo” is proof of the “no resources” which is why they then resort to “Churnalism” , with no fact checking,” too expensive don’t you know”
Google is your friend.

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bicho malo nunca muerePosted on8:16 pm - Aug 19, 2012


After The Rangers have shown the SPL how to do a ‘Sellout Saturday’ properly, the next two round of fixtures in the Scottish leagues are to be called ‘Pay Your Taxes Saturday’ and ‘Pay Your Debtors Saturday’.

As The Rangers don’t as yet have truly significant amounts outstanding, it is believed the new club playing at Ibrox will take on the debts of Rangers, in order to show the rest of Scotland just exactly how to settle world record debts from the 4th tier.

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iceman63Posted on8:17 pm - Aug 19, 2012


I am reading many comments on here that New Rangers will not be liable for any punishments following Nimmo Smith’s investigation into the Illegal registration affair. I think this is simply incorrect given the nature of the licence ( or is it share?) held by CG’s New Improved Rangers

CG will have to accept footballing punishments as his licence( share?) is that of RFC continued. Should he challenge any of these punishments on the grounds that the Rangers cannot be held liable then the entire “legal” (by which I mean the Laws of football) basis of his club’s existence within the SFL -shoogly as it is – will be gone.

If CG states that the SPL investigation which removes titles and then bans Rangers as a punishment cannot be applied on the grounds that his “Rangers” are not the same organisation then his entire basis for existing within the league at all is shot. By circumventing the rules and transferring the licence rather than by following the rules and applying for a new licence CG and the new ‘Gers have left themselves liable to such punishments.

He can go to court and claim he is not liable and win – but like his last one the victory will be pyrrhic as the court’s ruling of them being not the same club would render the legality of the Rangers’ participation in Scottish football invalid. I imagine Nimmo Smith will be relishing the prospect of seeing justice administered on Rangers’ decade plus of cheating on to Rangers and as Rangers’ footballing liabilities have been transferred these cannot be palmed off on the shell of RFC.

The cleverness of the five way agreement will not look so clever then. Expect more panicking, distortion, downright lying and cheating from the powers that be – only then they will have no hiding place. You cannot allow a banned club ( assuming Rangers are banned for their systematic cheating) to continue playing. Only a new application from CG’s new Gers to obtain a new unbanned share will allow the ban to be circumvented and many more rules will need to be broken to allow them to continue. This may well happen – it is against all rules but so is the present dispensation – but even the most loyal laptoppers and Gers’ fans will be unable to state that this club can be the same as one which has been banned. Their history must then be stripped in its entirety as no logical means of that club continuing would be tenable .

Of course such an action by the SFA and SFL wiould leave themselves at that point open to law suits from Cove, Spartans et al Clydebank and Gretna at that point would also surely have grounds to sue on the grounds that they were damaged by an unfair application of rules.

Moreover, if as seems likely, collusion with RFC by officials within the SPL and SFA is uncovered then Celtic amongst other SPL clubs, could have a monetary claim against the SFA and SPL for damages – an unarguable one I would have thought – which could bankrupt both organisations.

Indeed the only long-term hope for Scottish football is the collapse under a mountain of debt and exposed corruption and disgrace of its governing bodies. Only then can any fair or valid or sporting Scottish game emerge.

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tic6709Posted on8:27 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Angus @ 19.58.
Good point about the season tickets,All of the money gained this season on tickets is already spoken for,Ground upkeep,all the small traders ,pie stall and so on,staff and player wages,Fines to be levied for disrepute charges,debts to foreign and domestic Football clubs, VAT.
There might just be enough left for a night out with Campbell Ogilvie .
Then there is the return for the investors ,now i dont know much about finance,but it looks to me like they’re fecked.
They (Sevco) will be needing more than one cash injection just to keep going to the end of the season,if they make it that far,doubt it myself. Then along comes BDO to go through the buying of the assets for a ludicrous sum of money (£1). The gift that keeps on giving.

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Danish PastryPosted on8:30 pm - Aug 19, 2012


jw hardin says:
August 19, 2012 at 18:57
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CGs time at Norwich 95-98 – chaos!
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Norwich and Sheffield?

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campsiejoePosted on8:32 pm - Aug 19, 2012


The Iceman @ 20:17

Therein lies the problem
Sevco have acquired the unique ability to morph between old club and new club to suit any scenario
They will use this ability to challenge any decisions resulting from the FTT and Independent Tribunal that they disagree with

The Hampden slitherers have created and agreed with a situation that makes this possible
They have told one member of the organisation, that no matter what, they will always be bigger than any other member
Green, McCoist et al will use this to their advantage, and will morph as required

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smallteaserPosted on8:35 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Larsson7 says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:34

smallteaser
I think it was my post you refered to re the mention of the referee.
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It was your post and I had no issue with the post, it was your opinion, at the time.
I was more interested in why some posts after this had disappeared.

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smallteaserPosted on8:41 pm - Aug 19, 2012


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18549293

Is there any notification of when Lord Hodge will call Duff & Duffer back to court, I take it he is back from holiday?
Any note on how the Duff & Phelps legal action against the BBC is going, if they were sure they were innocent I am sure they would have kicked this off by now?

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john clarkePosted on9:05 pm - Aug 19, 2012


The Iceman says:
August 19, 2012 at 20:17

‘……He can go to court and claim he is not liable and win – but like his last one the victory will be pyrrhic as the court’s ruling of them being not the same club would render the legality of the
Rangers’ participation in Scottish football invalid. …’

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I agree entirely with your line of reasoning.

The SFA’s unwillingness/inability to ‘discipline’ Rangers under the Rules has created a no-win situation which they cannot now resolve.

They must be praying(!) that Hector loses the tax appeal AND that Nimmo Smith’s commission find no proof of non-reporting of players’ full remuneration packages.

If their prayers go unheard, then Sevco/The Rangers get hit with huge debt, and expulsion sine die. for being (by cosy agreement) Rangers.

And if their prayers are heard on both accounts, even I would begin again to think of political interference in the background!

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goosyPosted on9:06 pm - Aug 19, 2012


1.The Invisible Line says:
August 19, 2012 at 17:14
If BDO do say they want to undo the deal – CG would get his money back of 5.5 million. BDP would then take back the assets to sell.
However for the season ticket money what happens then.
If TRFC then goes into admin, does he not get quite a good killing – 10 million allegedly (closer to 6.5 in reality) of ST money.

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Alternatively
A Sevco liquidation still makes sense even if BDO do nothing as it solves two problems for CW and Ticketus

Under an RFC liquidation the Ticketus debt of £27m and Floating Charge of £27.5m. debts are both at risk
Since
Ticketus are wiped out as their deal was not under Scots Law and did not roll over
and
CW would face a prolonged legal battle with HMRC to justify his FC
So the neat way out was for D&P to sell the assets to Green on condition Sevco also accepted transfer of the Ticketus debt and the CW FC
D&P then argue to BDO that it’s a good deal for the remaining Creditors as it removes £54.5m of debt including an alleged preferred Creditor
However the real aim is to legitimate the CW floating charge by transferring it to an entity where there are no hostile Creditors
Similarly transfer of the Ticketus debt safeguards their entitlement to future STs They may even have also switched the legality from English Law to Scots Law with Green`s agreement
All that remains then is for Sevco to be liquidated
CW gets the assets without a challenge and Ticketus get their debt rolled over to any new company who buy or rent the assets from CW
The payback for Green is the ST money which he keeps after paying an installment to Ticketus
So all that is needed is for Green to continue to attack the SFA until they are forced to declare he is an unfit Director.Eventually Sevco lose their licence because he refuses to resign.He then gives Ticketus all the cash in the bank and liquidates Sevco immediately thereafter

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jw hardinPosted on9:12 pm - Aug 19, 2012


5StarsorBehindBars says:
August 19, 2012 at 20:00

“Fantastic statistic for the Football Entity Currently Known As Sevco Scotland”
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Govan Fecass.

Think I like it.

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BigrabbitPosted on9:16 pm - Aug 19, 2012


campsiejoe says:
August 19, 2012 at 20:32

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The Iceman @ 20:17
Therein lies the problem
Sevco have acquired the unique ability to morph between old club and new club to suit any scenario
They will use this ability to challenge any decisions resulting from the FTT and Independent Tribunal that they disagree with
The Hampden slitherers have created and agreed with a situation that makes this possible
They have told one member of the organisation, that no matter what, they will always be bigger than any other member
Green, McCoist et al will use this to their advantage, and will morph as required

Was there not a children’s TV series Mighty Morphin Alien Rangers ?

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campsiejoePosted on9:17 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Goosy @ 21:06

I may have missed something, but I can’t see any scenario that would allow Green exit stage left with any of the season ticket money

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jw hardinPosted on9:20 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Danish Pastry says:
August 19, 2012 at 20:30

“Norwich and Sheffield?”
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My mistake.

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john clarkePosted on9:20 pm - Aug 19, 2012


smallteaser says:
August 19, 2012 at 20:41

After 10.00 a.m each morning, click on this link, and select Court of Session
It gives a current date, and clicking on that will show what’s on the next day.
It’s usually done regularly every Thursday.

http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/rolls/index.asp

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Fritz AgrandoldteamPosted on9:25 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Jules12 says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:50

What is this blog really about? Rangers or corruption in Scottish football?
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Yes.

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BigrabbitPosted on9:28 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Ha Ha found it courtesy of wikipedia
“In 1996, the series was rebranded as the Power Rangers franchise; renaming the series every year after, and using costumes, props, and footage from subsequent Super Sentai series, as well as changing the cast and storyline. While an overarching storyline would continue until Power Rangers Lost Galaxy, subsequent series after MMPR are not sequels or spin-offs in the traditional sense”
Just change 1996 to 2012 and it fits. Is it Déjà vu?

I need a carrot!

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campsiejoePosted on9:32 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Bigrabbit @ 21:28

Glad you did, because I had nae idea 🙂

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Palacio67Posted on9:35 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Fritz Agrandoldteam says:
August 19, 2012 at 21:25
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As mentioned on a previous topic the rangers newco saga is the only show in town at the moment, and will probably be the main event for a while, other topics I am sure will be discussed if and when anything happens.

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jean7brodiePosted on9:36 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Jules12 says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:50

What is this blog really about? Rangers or corruption in Scottish football?

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Both the same.

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SouthernExilePosted on9:36 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Defeatism and denial have been fighting to come on top on here recently.

The scottish football association is an association of its members. The members can call an extraordinary general meeting. This meeting could consider various resolutions. I could suggest:

– a collective loss of confidence in the president and a call for his resignation

– a requirement that the CEO distribute the business plan and investors profile that convinced him that rangers should join the league ahead of the egm (on pain of summery dismissal)

– a statement by the sfa CEO on the fulfillment of the requirement of rangers to meet footballing debts

Regan this, Doncaster that, is displacement activity. The clubs (and Scotland more generally) have it in their own hands.

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tic6709Posted on9:37 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Fritz Agrandoldteam says:

August 19, 2012 at 21:25

Jules12 says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:50

What is this blog really about? Rangers or corruption in Scottish football?
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Yes.
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Wonderful. If Carlsberg done replies……………….

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Danish PastryPosted on9:39 pm - Aug 19, 2012


jw hardin says:
August 19, 2012 at 21:20
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August 19, 2012 at 20:30

“Norwich and Sheffield?”
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My mistake.
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Nae bother, I thought you might have known something. I think Doncaster has been mentioned in the same breath as Norwich though

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john clarkePosted on9:43 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Jules12 says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:50
‘What is this blog really about? Rangers or corruption in Scottish football?’
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Suggest you get yourself up to speed by reading back. (Then again, maybe you typed the word ‘or’ instead of ‘are’?)

Seriously, a powerful figure in the Scottish business scene is accused of having for many years enabled the club of which he was the owner to cheat its way to footballing success by breaking footballing rules of great importance.

There are dark suspicions that he was aided and abetted in this foulness by men in positions of power in the SFA, and with strong connections to him and his club, who at the very least incompetently carried out their duties as enforcers of Regulations and Rules.

It is believed by many that the SFA broke many of their own rules in a desperate attempt to save that club, for base and ignoble reasons..

It is further believed that a very partisan MSM were not only derelict in their duty to investigate these connections and report factually and truthfully, but were positively active in spinning favourable and misleading propaganda on behalf of that powerful individual, and did not undertake the degree of hard questioning of the SFA that was properly required.

Ergo, this blog is both about Rangers and their foul rule-breaking and the (much worse ) rule-breaking by the SFA, and the deplorable lack of journalistic professionalism by the MSM in their cosy relationship with the offending club.

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Larsson7Posted on10:10 pm - Aug 19, 2012


smallteaser
catching up after the Barca game
I think at least one post was removed for the use of “mas*nic”

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john clarkePosted on10:30 pm - Aug 19, 2012


SouthernExile says:
August 19, 2012 at 21:36
‘..The scottish football association is an association of its members. The members can call an extraordinary general meeting. ..’

There was undoubtedly an explosion of anger throughout the general body of football clubs- SPL and SFL-. at both the high-handedness of the CEOs and their feckless drivelling incompetence .

The needs of the moment , the need to get the season underway, meant that most clubs thought that the time was not right for a hasty convening of an EGM, although a vote of no confidence was called for.

These clubs were under enormous strain, and instead of receiving help and guidance and sensible leadership, they were harassed and bullied by the their own ‘servants’.

That has not been forgotten, and the clubs will, at an opportune time, re-establish their sovereign authority and not again allow the tail to wag the dog

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sarantsevillePosted on10:35 pm - Aug 19, 2012


I posed the question a while back about what ever happened to Bomber Brown and his demands to see who held the deeds etc? His promise to a full interview in the tabloids(that previiously reported his great sermon to the hindreds or 5 thousand(Rangers Media) of true blues outside the front doors of Ibrokes) outing Green and his motives.
Can any of our RFC supporting posters on here please provide us with any update on this ? or indeed any media who may lurk??
Has he been silenced?? By whom?? And why??
Our MSM seem to think they can give us a 2 ,3 or 4 page spread on a topic and when it gets a bit uncomfortable we can pretend it was never written.

In the interests of fairness and so this is not just coming from a twisted Selik fan, i have copied a part of a post from RM on June 28th ..see quote below

“With regards to Charles Green and – I write this as if he were reading – you sir, have been challenged. Can you show us, the supporters, who are the life and soul of Rangers Football Club, who owns our football club? Until you do, how can we put any faith in you whatsoever?
You are currently working to ensure Rangers are playing football next season and you don’t need any further distraction, with all the hurdles that have to be overcome. Meet John Brown’s demand and show us all and the world, who owns our football club”

i will add, “or at least show us a photo of the pensioner getting his £120 back!!!

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on10:35 pm - Aug 19, 2012


There is a tweet doing the rounds about Charlie stating that if they draw a home tie with a SPL club in the cup, Charles will make tickets cost £1 if fans buy a £14 programme. This would ensure that the money goes to the club and their oponents will only receive 50p instead of the £7.50 they should receive.

I see he is still trying to make friends then.

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campsiejoePosted on10:43 pm - Aug 19, 2012


nowoldandgrumpy @ 22:35

I doubt there is any truth in this, although it is just possible that someone is testing the water
If it’s true, Charlie should consider the possibility that he may have no home games, and that the other teams would do the same thing to Sevco
It doesn’t sound the smartest of ideas

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MikecPosted on10:47 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Charlie boy maybe be at it again re cup tie tickets ( if true) charging only £1 for a ticket and then £14 for a program. Suspect he will not declare this as a fact until the draw is made, since he leaves himself exposed to the opposite if New Rangers are drawn away from home.
Are they in the Scottish cup, thought they hadn’t settled the DU debt yet, so why are they not banned ?

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timtimPosted on10:50 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Both clubs have to agree on a set price for the tickets so this rumour is a non starter

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WOTTPIPosted on10:51 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Ok guys lets keep it simple.

The footballing authorities and the top clubs were all happy trying to let T’Rangers back in to the top flight.

They only failed due to fan power and with the help of some brave SFL chairmen.

HMRC, in rejecting the CVA, as good as said they are happy to see football continue to be played at Ibrox.

Therefore we have T’Rangers playing in Div 3 and I doubt too much that HMRC & BDO will be overly interested in that, despite all what is said on here with regard to phoenix companies and the like. BDO are going to go after the old regime.

If Mr Charles behaves himself and pays his taxes he will be fine.

SO unless there is some major fan revolt or some serious legal challenge T’Rangers will continue on their merry way.

Although the season has just started the predictions of crowds of 10k to 15k posted on RTC do not look like happening anytime soon. Credit where it is due to T’Rangers fans who have so far turned out in force.

As other posters have said we can now have a pretty good guess at how much cash has come in with the season tickets (at reduced prices) and how this covers the possible wage bill.

For T’Rangers to succeed it still looks like they need to get other cash in to cover all the other running costs, many of which are well detailed in the various Duff & Duffer reports.

Therefore, being that those in power are happy to see them succeed, it is all down to whether or not Mr Charles can bring in enough cash via investments, share issues and commercial deals to keep the thing alfoat. If not then they will be heading back to square one.

Paul McConville tried to outline what the financial position may be a while back.

Now we have an idea of Seaon Tickets, the likely squad, backroom staff etc and the Duff & Phelps figures is it time for a re-working of figures to say how much Mr Charles needs to survive and when he needs it by and how long that will last him?

If he doesn’t get enough or it is not in time what is the likely date for T’Rangers to go the way of the oldco.

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campsiejoePosted on10:52 pm - Aug 19, 2012


timtim @ 22:50

I forget about that little technicality

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timtimPosted on10:57 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Dont let it worry you Joe , the SFA do it all the time

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campsiejoePosted on11:00 pm - Aug 19, 2012


timtim @ 22:57

As a certain little fox called Basil used to say :-
Boom Boom 🙂

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on11:02 pm - Aug 19, 2012


The answer to any question can be found here 🙂

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CWPosted on11:43 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Comments are beginning to get a bit paranoid here.

I’m watching BBC SPL Highlights at the moment whilst writing this. Just heard a classic comment less than a minute ago by our Ertwhistle Manager, Mr Levein. He has just said, in words to that effect (sic) ” Celtic are struggling because they don’t have that same competition with Rangers”.

Aye right ! We now know for sure who his paymasters are !

I’m no lover of either Rangers (Oldco / Sevco, delete as appropriate) nor Celtic. As far as I’m concerned, both clubs have been as bad as each other in the past. Unfortunately, Rangers have taken it too far this time. What they have been accused of over the last 18 Months is totally unforgiveable ! Celtic look like Saints in comparison (obviously not My Saints !).

I keep saying all along A Public Enquiry is what is required. I have a funny feeling though that their will be “An” enquiry, once 99% of the protaginists have fled for rich pastures new ! i.e. too late to drag them up in front of their Tribunal !

A couple of things to consider though :

Mr Green seems to be getting away with a lot of rabble rousing over the last few weeks, alongside Mr McCoist to be fair, aided and abbeted with the permission of The MSM ! What is that about ?

Constantly having a go at The SFA, SPL. “Everyone’s against us, but we will remember, when the time comes !”.

Then they question why no one has any sympathy for them !

Well ! The answer to that is that CG doesn’t care one jot about sympathy towards Oldco / Sevco. As long as he makes a profit for him and his, so far un-named, mates, he’ll be as happy as a p*g in S$£t ! That’s how he makes his living. He’ll go back to his “Pile” in Yorkshire, pillar of the community. In a few years time, when he’s old and greyer, someone will ask him ” What exactly happened at Rangers ?”

If he was honest, he would probably reply ” I tried, The club was really close to my heart, but we had a good chance to make a few bob, wouldn’t you ?”

Lastly, going back on subject, haven’t The SFA and SPL been very quietly lately, despite the vile coming their way from Edmiston Drive ?

Surely, giving some of their recent slagging’s, someone in Authority would have The B$£ls to come out and defend their constitutions ?

Messr’s Reagan and Doncaster, Where Art Though ? The Silence is deafening, or maybe you’ve been too busy at the “Silence Of The Lambs !”. I hope it was Succulent !

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DelbhoyPosted on11:49 pm - Aug 19, 2012


I think I just heard Craig Levein on BBC Scotland, defending Terry Butcher’s verbal half-time
attack on the referee, with a smug and a legned quote : ” Thats just Terry “.
I’ve never heard an S.F.A. representative say ” That’s just Neil “.

Hush now. Don,t make a fuss.

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smallteaserPosted on11:49 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Sure would look bad for the SFA if Sevco did not manage to last until Christmas!!!

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tearsofjoyPosted on11:53 pm - Aug 19, 2012


Jules12 says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:50

What is this blog really about? Rangers or corruption in Scottish football?
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Good question.

Hence the TDs you’ve received.

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BunionPosted on12:14 am - Aug 20, 2012


Jules12 says:
August 19, 2012 at 19:50

What is this blog really about? Rangers or corruption in Scottish football?
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The corruption of Scottish Football by Rangers.

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CWPosted on12:18 am - Aug 20, 2012


Delbhoy says:

August 19, 2012 at 23:49

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I think I just heard Craig Levein on BBC Scotland, defending Terry Butcher’s verbal half-time
attack on the referee, with a smug and a legned quote : ” Thats just Terry “.
I’ve never heard an S.F.A. representative say ” That’s just Neil “.

Hush now. Don,t make a fuss.

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Delbhouy,

I heard that as well. Not getting into the “That’s just Neil” debate, but it just kind of sums up the mess “Our” SFA is in. Double standards or Double Entendre’s ?

Mr Reagan, where are you ? You’re being paid a handsome wage to run Scottish Football (That’s “Scottish Football” i.e. for Everyone in Scotland). Let’s have a quick answer to the following questions :

1. What is the situation with the ongoing saga with The Club Formerly Known as Rangers from The SFA’s perspective ?

2. Do you really think that Craig Levein is going to lead Scotland through World Cup Qualifying for Brazil 2014 ?

You and your counterpart at the SPL, Mr Doncaster, have really left a legacy over the last few years. Not one to be proud of though !

Bet you thought initially that being Chief Exec of The SFA was going to be a breeze ? Welcome to The West of Scotland ! Please now find The B$£ls to sort it out !

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CWPosted on12:20 am - Aug 20, 2012


p.s. just assuming that Mr Reagan dips into this site to see what people are saying about him, just like the MSM as well !

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DelbhoyPosted on12:22 am - Aug 20, 2012


This blog seems to be about corruption in Scottish Football.
If the illegitimate admission of a sevco company epitomises that,
then so be it

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DelbhoyPosted on1:05 am - Aug 20, 2012


Thanks CW ,for opening my eyes a littlie wider. Craig Levein appears to be a sole spokes-
person for the S.F.A . , therefore he comes across as an apologist for the MSM ( I’m starting to
hate that abbreviation ).
You are correct in questioning the whereabouts of Regan and Doncaster at this very critical
juncture in Our Game.
It has survived the demise of Gretna, Third Lanark, Airdrie and my old school team which
was crap.
It will continue to flourish as long as I’m not forced to kick a ball ( or support Arthurlie ).

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BunionPosted on1:07 am - Aug 20, 2012


CW says:
August 19, 2012 at 23:43

Comments are beginning to get a bit paranoid here.

I’m watching BBC SPL Highlights at the moment whilst writing this. Just heard a classic comment less than a minute ago by our Ertwhistle Manager, Mr Levein. He has just said, in words to that effect (sic) ” Celtic are struggling because they don’t have that same competition with Rangers”.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So …… the league is more competitive without ‘The Rangers’?

And that’s a bad thing for a Scotland Manager?????

The phrase ‘Walloper!’ comes to mind.

And this from the man who uttered the immortal line, “It didn’t matter what we did ….. it was all about Rangers today”

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stevensanphPosted on2:39 am - Aug 20, 2012


miki67 says:
August 20, 2012 at 01:41

I can’t really think why you’d need to use that word when talking about Scottish football corruption. Besides, moderation isn’t posts being removed – they are held for review before going live. Absolutely correct in my opinion.

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ExiledCeltPosted on4:14 am - Aug 20, 2012


Goosy says:

August 19, 2012 at 21:06

1.The Invisible Line says:
August 19, 2012 at 17:14
If BDO do say they want to undo the deal – CG would get his money back of 5.5 million. BDP would then take back the assets to sell.
However for the season ticket money what happens then.
If TRFC then goes into admin, does he not get quite a good killing – 10 million allegedly (closer to 6.5 in reality) of ST money.

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Alternatively
A Sevco liquidation still makes sense even if BDO do nothing as it solves two problems for CW and Ticketus

Under an RFC liquidation the Ticketus debt of £27m and Floating Charge of £27.5m. debts are both at risk
Since
Ticketus are wiped out as their deal was not under Scots Law and did not roll over
and
CW would face a prolonged legal battle with HMRC to justify his FC
So the neat way out was for D&P to sell the assets to Green on condition Sevco also accepted transfer of the Ticketus debt and the CW FC
D&P then argue to BDO that it’s a good deal for the remaining Creditors as it removes £54.5m of debt including an alleged preferred Creditor
However the real aim is to legitimate the CW floating charge by transferring it to an entity where there are no hostile Creditors
Similarly transfer of the Ticketus debt safeguards their entitlement to future STs They may even have also switched the legality from English Law to Scots Law with Green`s agreement
All that remains then is for Sevco to be liquidated
CW gets the assets without a challenge and Ticketus get their debt rolled over to any new company who buy or rent the assets from CW
The payback for Green is the ST money which he keeps after paying an installment to Ticketus
So all that is needed is for Green to continue to attack the SFA until they are forced to declare he is an unfit Director.Eventually Sevco lose their licence because he refuses to resign.He then gives Ticketus all the cash in the bank and liquidates Sevco immediately thereafter

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Goosy – many thanks – I think we see a blueprint of a plan forming here………..

Will save this as a reference in case we need to check off items as we go…………

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stunneyPosted on6:24 am - Aug 20, 2012


http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-5-1-east-stirlingshire-rangers-fight-back-on-rousing-day-at-ibrox-1-2477797

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Danish PastryPosted on6:27 am - Aug 20, 2012


Good morning from sunny Scandinavia.

It’s been widely reported that a company (BDO?) has been appointed as liquidators of old Rangers. How official is this?

I can see loads of media stories confirming this, and it’s the perceived wisdom here, but has it actually been confirmed by BDO in a press release?

Daft question I know, but the reason I ask is that there was a discussion on the P&B thread about the authenticity of the reports of BDO’s involvement as liquidators. Apparently some bright spark had the original idea to call their London Office and got a negative from them regarding their involvement.

Anyone got it from the horse’s mouth?

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stunneyPosted on6:32 am - Aug 20, 2012


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rangers-5-east-stirlingshire-1-how-long-will-this-remain-interesting.18635648

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tic6709Posted on6:52 am - Aug 20, 2012


Danish Pastry @ 6.27
Good morning from a wet and windy West Of Scotland, I’m sure it was HMRC who announced at the refusal of the CVA that BDO would be in charge of the Liquidation.(could be wrong)

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Torrevieja JohnbhoyPosted on7:07 am - Aug 20, 2012


Tic 6709 says:
August 20, 2012 at 06:52

Danish Pastry @ 6.27
Good morning from a wet and windy West Of Scotland, I’m sure it was HMRC who announced at the refusal of the CVA that BDO would be in charge of the Liquidation.(could be wrong)
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Here’s a couple of links.Hope this helps:

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/105870-rangers-crisis-hmrc-look-to-investigate-those-responsible-for-meltdown/

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-in-crisis-taxman-wont-give-1129140

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tic6709Posted on7:41 am - Aug 20, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy @7.07
Thanks Johnbhoy,I was relying on memory,never a good idea at my age.

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Danish PastryPosted on7:45 am - Aug 20, 2012


Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
August 20, 2012 at 07:07
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August 20, 2012 at 06:52

Danish Pastry @ 6.27
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Cheers Torre @ Tic 6709.

Thanks for that. The STV report looks convincing, but I was searching on the BDO and HMRC sites and could find no mention.

If you check page 3310 (!) of the discussion thread on P&B you’ll see an exchange with ‘Bendarroch’. Near the bottom of the page I asked him if he’d been told by BDO that they had not been appointed. His reply is quite upfront. I’m just trying to tie this in with the line that this Mr Cohen Is waiting the wings.

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/167655-big-rangers-administrationliquidation-thread-all-chat-here/page__st__82725

PS To all travelling to Sweden the weather is great in the Helsingborg region. Tuesday will be sunny and cool. So best of luck to Scotland’s Euro representatives. I hope all neutrals like me have their fingers crossed, the country needs some Euro success.

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AllyJamboPosted on7:58 am - Aug 20, 2012


Mr Bunny says:

August 19, 2012 at 18:58

Very good summation. We all knew about the bogitry in our country and how it had never been tackled seriously by any journalist (or at least been published without severe editing), but this recent turning of the proverbial blind eye by the MSM is beyond contempt. They may have reported the words, they may be reporting that Green is up before the SFA over it, but not one journalist has even reflected on the use of the word by someone in such an influential position over those who practice bigotry as a way of life. It is hard to decide whether this failing, in a long line of failings, by the MSM is driven by the current soft approach to newco (not that it was ever hard towards oldco) or a longstanding policy of ignoring this disgrace of Scotland.

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nostarsandbarredPosted on8:13 am - Aug 20, 2012


Stunney, keep up the good work; good to have the links (as opposed to having the fawning drivel in the vast majority of the articles – I can only imagine the detail of “fight back on rousing day at Ibrox” is like) – you can tell a lot by the title, like “how long will this remain interesting” – could be a reference to the MSM getting bored, the fans “walking away” ? I’ve already started to lose interest in Sevco football.

Perhaps if the MSM get bored they return to the main agenda; i.e. all other aspects of Sevco and the authorities ? Might click on the links at that point, but suspect it will some time off.

Anyway, thanks for the links; good info.

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tomtomPosted on9:10 am - Aug 20, 2012


I make no bones about it, Saturday’s crowd at Ibrox was impressive.

However, was the crowd made up of genuine football fans, eager to see their team back in action and looking forward to the season ahead? Or was it made up of a section of our society who are determined to prolong their long held belief that they are indeed “the people”.

My fears, for both Rangers (that’s who they are no matter how much we debate it or dislike it) and Scottish football is that the fans attracted to Ibrox will be pulled towards the more extreme fringes of their support. You could of course argue that these fans being swept along in the tide of defiance did not need much persuading (the 24,000 “decent” fans at the League Cup final for instance) to join up with the FF/WATP brigade. Arrests being made for sectarian chanting are already taking place (although you’d hardly know it from our press)

Time will tell as to whether the appeasement of RFC has turned the beast into a monster. For everyone’s sake the sooner they go bust again the better. Let them start again where they should have, at the very bottom of the football pyramid, and hopefully then they can finally shed the baggage that is currently running their PR department.

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Alex CoxPosted on9:11 am - Aug 20, 2012


People are asking about whether this blog is about Rangers in particular or Scottish football in general.

A blog is about what the blogger writes, people then discuss that in the comments section and it carries on from there. Though it hopefully should not really wander too far from the original topic. It is perfectly acceptable for admin to step in if it does.

If someone has another subject they wish to put forward for discussion can I suggest they write that blog, and invite comment on it. I am sure the admin here would welcome it, provided it is written in a manner which is in line with the spirit of the site.

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Hoopy 7Posted on9:20 am - Aug 20, 2012


tomtomaswell says:

August 20, 2012 at 09:10
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Good Morning. Yes the beast has turned into a monster and it will continue to become more and more vile.

The question of whether they go bust may be down, not only to lack of finance, but also the resolve of BDO to get in and unravel what has been done.

It would be highly embarrassing, but no more than they deserve, if the SFA were to be exposed to the fact that the body they so corruptly allowed in the back door were to be stripped of the right to own anything.

The house of cards will come crashing down soon.

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goosyPosted on9:37 am - Aug 20, 2012


Not having read a single word in the MSM about the Sevco v ES match does anyone know if it was reported to be free of the sectrian chanting which besmirched previous games at Ibrox?

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FisianiPosted on9:40 am - Aug 20, 2012


The Ibrox crowd was composed of a truly defiant mob. The whole sectarian songbook was heard yet again. They will not improve. They will spend years in exile simmering their bile and paranoid feelings of persecution.
If Lord Nimmo and the panel come to the conclusion of financial doping and deception I pray that they deliver a verdict of expulsion. Mere title stripping and a slap on the wrist will not suffice.

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DYLANS FEASTPosted on9:40 am - Aug 20, 2012


“However, given that Rangers PLC were the Registered body and were convicted of offences which were described as only second to match fixing,” —- can you please elaborate on the offences of which you speak and also on ‘who’ described them in this way?

ps – the company was called SEVCO not SERVCO as you repeatedly state. Surely someone as illuminated as you would get the simplest, yet important details correct.

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Charlie BrownPosted on9:49 am - Aug 20, 2012


The guff put out by the Glasgow Red Tops over the weekend and this morning is an embarrassment. The stuff spouted by McCoist, Green, Traynor etc is nothing more that cheerleading and clarion calls for the boys in blue.

Nothing has changed indeed if the substance of Jabba’s opinion piece is a true reflection of current events at Ibrox then nothing has changed indeed things now may even be much worse than before and they’ve got a giant chip on both shoulders.

Unruly, unreformed & unrepentant with the MSM given them a free platform to mouth off and blanket coverage & publicity.

The SPL is quite a nice place without them this season but this neverending crap will put people off and make them turnaway from Scottish football that seems barely concerned with events anywhere outside Glasgow and the poisonous atmosphere and trouble we can expect when they next encounter SPL clubs is also a black day(s) looming for Scottish football and the good supporters.

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