The Day I was on the Scotland U-23 Bench

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JOHN CLARKJANUARY 14, 2017 at 14:29  AllyjamboJanuary 14, 2017 at 14:18‘..A …

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JOHN CLARKJANUARY 14, 2017 at 14:29 
AllyjamboJanuary 14, 2017 at 14:18‘..A couple of days ago there was a post from a bears site put up on twitter where one bear was vociferously defending King, but now it appears more and more are seeing that they’ve been ‘duped’ and are saying so, still, though, in somewhat muted terms.’_______Aye, but who are the ‘duped’ now seeing as their wealthy ‘saviour’?
Someone on the present RIFC board, or the TRFC board, or some other ‘Bill Taylor’ or Mr Ng, or brothers Mcgill or… CW clone?
Dear God, was there ever such a tedious piece of nonsense as this whole wearisome saga about a four-year-old football club?
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I think, John, it’s the same saviour as the one they’ve been expecting since they first realised PMGB was right when he said RFC would die.

B*ggered if I can remember his name, though! But he must be out there, I’ve read about it in the papers…

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Gordon Waddell has written an interesting piece in the DR (or is it the SM?). I’d say it was a good piece if he’d written it a year ago, a better/brave piece if written two years ago…and so on. Ignoring the obvious liquidation denial, it is a well written piece and attempts to make no friends with a number of popular RRMs, and, on first reading, seems a million miles from Keith Jackson’s ‘attack’ on King and his slobbering over Walter Smith.

Ultimately, though, it fits in with the current ‘mood’ of the DR ‘Rangers’ centric reports, so could be seen as a part of whatever the apparent Level5 led agenda is, and is only taking a different approach to the peripheral characters in the saga, while adding a good dose of reality as to the true state of affairs at Ibrox. In that he is only a couple of years behind the bampots – in terms of King’s ascendancy, at least. How is it possible for newspaper men, traditionally the most cynical of people, to take so long for it to dawn on them that a convicted criminal isn’t being truthful? Surely the possibility should have been at the back (really should have been at the forefront) of their minds from day one, and obvious from not long after day two!

Looking at it a little differently, though, and tying it to PMGB’s post today, http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-sevco-high-command-receive-an-evidence-based-analysis-from-a-decent-guy/ could it be that he is acting independently of L5 and has been speaking to the dissident board members?


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For a good few weeks before Christmas we were reading, online, that nets were going up on the roofs of three of the Ibrox stands. This was never denied by the Ibrox incumbents, nor questioned by the succulent lambs of the SMSM, but it seemed to be generally accepted as a necessary step in restoring the stadium, and the club*, back to former glory, and that it was going to happen during the winter break.

I haven’t read, anywhere, that the nets have appeared, though – has anyone else? I know no games have been played there since Hogmany, but surely, by now, reports of activity of the netting kind would have been doing the rounds if such work was, in fact, underway, and, indeed, necessary!

Does this mean that reports of the dangerous state of Ibrox have been grossly exaggerated? Or does it, perhaps, indicate that the money to start the work just isn’t there, and that wise net sticker-uppers have asked for money up front before commencing their work?

Or could it be that the money that was there has now been earmarked for something more urgent to men to whom money is more important than public safety, or even the continuation of a football club? Just think about it, would there be any point in committing, say, half a million pounds to repairs if, in the not so distant future, no one might be sitting under those repairs?

Or put another way, in any struggling business, even one run by wholly honest men, there comes a point where the wisdom of carrying out major repairs, that will not lead to increased revenue, must be in doubt.

It may well be that, as the bears, on their next visit to Ibrox, look skyward to inspect the roofs for netting, they might heave a collective sigh of relief and, as one, shout ‘get that up ya, ya Irish Blogger!’ or words to that effect, not realising that what they are actually seeing is the first visible sign of their new club’s fast approaching end!

* All the usual caveats apply

PS this post falls into the ‘delete me, please, Mr Mod’ category, should there be any reports doing the rounds of eagle eyed bampots witnessing the appearance of nets of the non-goal kind at Ibrox14


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I’d say an independent panel is only as independent as the people who are paying for it! Or, at best, is only as independent as the perameters set and the information and evidence provided!

Or as independent as rabble rousing such as ‘who are these people?’ might allow them to feel safe to be!


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Big PinkJanuary 2, 2018 at 13:54 
AJI suspect the TDs are not from SFM folk (remember the ratings are available to all manner of trolls). It is a disgusting world-view if made in earnest. A shocking way to score a point if not.
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I didn’t, for a moment, suspect they were from anyone who posts here, even the more prolific troll posters are better than that, I am sure. 

For some time now I have had the feeling that there is someone, or some people, coming on here and just TDing a number of posts without bothering to read their content, either out of malice or as some sort of concerted effort on behalf of people with reason to dislike our message. It really is quite strange how, suddenly, a number of posts receive one, two or occasionally three thumbs down in very short order, and often posts like uth’s, that could offend no one, receive these petty TDs as a result. 

I can honestly say that I have never read anything from our regular, or occasional, posters that might suggest they would TD anything relating to that terrible day. I include, of course, all supporters of Celtic and RFC/TRFC who have, over the years, made their arguments on SFM. My experience of Celtic supporters talking of that day is one that leaves me certain in the knowledge that only the basest of their support (and we all have them) were not badly effected by the disaster and in full sympathy with the deceased, their families and the wider Rangers support. 

I can still remember that night, sitting in the Queens Arms in Edinburgh, watching the death count rising on the TV, waiting for one of our mates we knew was at the game, getting more and more nervous until he appeared. It had a lasting effect on me.


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upthehoopsJanuary 2, 2018 at 08:52 29 2
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On this day in 1971, the Ibrox disaster happened during a Rangers v Celtic game at Ibrox. 66 fans died in a crush. Some of us remember that day, some of us may even have been there, while some of us would not even be on this earth at the time. We are all football fans. Nobody should go to a football match and never return home. Rest in Peace.
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Wow! I know we are not meant to put much store on the thumbs up or down, but two people have given thumbs down to this post! Who on earth could find fault with a post respecting the dead from the Ibrox disaster?

It kind of confirms my belief that there are people coming onto this site who don’t read the posts, but are assigned with the task of creating the appearance that there is some disagreement with posts that mostly criticise Rangers(IL) and TRFC and hit the TD button without thought.

Alternatively, of course, it could just be that others, like myself, have difficulty hitting the correct symbol on tablets or mobile phones, I certainly hope that is the case here.

Thanks to Upthehoops for reminding us of that sad day, something we should do every year as a mark of respect for those who died on Scottish football’s worst day.


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DarkbeforedawnJanuary 2, 2018 at 03:48 
Stevie BC, the issue with declaring himself bankrupt is it stops him holding any director role in a company in the UK and possibly South Africa. I can’t see him doing that “for the sake of the club”. I think like Murray before him he likes the limelight. He knows very well the best option for the club would be resign as any acting party in the club and still provide the soft loans. It would take all scrutiny away from the club and could leave the chairman role to someone more respected such as Alistair Johnston. That would stop the risk of the TOP ruling having such a huge impact on the club. It’s the selfless and obvious choice to make and he could still be seen as the saviour from abroad saving the club through loans, but he wouldn’t get the same exposure he so much craves. His defiance is what will lead to his downfall and his selfishness could lead lead to the downfall of the club.
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DBD, though I used your above post to highlight the impossibility of separating club from company, I have to agree, to some extent, with the thrust of the post. While I am not sure that by declaring himself bankrupt that King could escape the wrath of the TOP and CoS, he isn’t going to do anything for the benefit of your club if it doesn’t benefit him, or save him, at the same time.

That said, however, King’s ‘ownership’ of the NOAL Trust was established in court to the judge’s satisfaction, and I doubt that he would get away with making further loans to RIFC plc through it or any other hidden avenue, once declared bankrupt. Indeed, despite my limited knowledge of bankruptcy laws, I am certain that King (or anyone else) can’t just announce bankruptcy and clear themselves of all fiscal responsibilities, they have to prove they have no money to meet their debts, and as far as we know, King doesn’t have any – and if he had, the court would make sure the funds in his NOAL Trust would be used to meet them, as far as possible, with, I am sure, an investigation into what other (disguised)investments he holds. One thing’s for sure, he would not be allowed to ‘lend’ any money to RIFC/TRFC, and, if he does, indeed, have substantial debts, his creditors might well force the return of his existing RIFC loans to meet his debts.

One thing’s for sure, the law will not allow someone to avoid the consequences of breaking the laws and regulations of the land by availing one’s self of the laws of bankruptcy! While a little tax cheating scrote like Barry Ferguson might get away with transferring his assets to his wife, just prior to receiving his tax bill, King and his money are already on the court’s radar and I doubt that even his Masonic connections would be enough to let him get away with further fraudulent behaviour.

Something I am sure of, and has to be considered before wondering if bankruptcy is a way out for both/either King or RIFC, and that is – you have to have debts that you demonstrably can’t meet before you can petition for bankruptcy. Unless King has very substantial debts, that outweigh, at least, the funds held in the NOAL Trust, then he has no grounds to declare himself bankrupt.


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DarkbeforedawnJanuary 2, 2018 at 03:48 
Stevie BC, the issue with declaring himself bankrupt is it stops him holding any director role in a company in the UK and possibly South Africa. I can’t see him doing that “for the sake of the club”. I think like Murray before him he likes the limelight. He knows very well the best option for the club would be resign as any acting party in the club and still provide the soft loans. It would take all scrutiny away from the club and could leave the chairman role to someone more respected such as Alistair Johnston. That would stop the risk of the TOP ruling having such a huge impact on the club. It’s the selfless and obvious choice to make and he could still be seen as the saviour from abroad saving the club through loans, but he wouldn’t get the same exposure he so much craves. His defiance is what will lead to his downfall and his selfishness could lead lead to the downfall of the club.
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Hi, DBD, and a Happy New Year to you.

While your recent posts have been pretty good, showing a realistic approach to what’s happening at your club, might I ask how it could be that the chairman of RIFC’s selfishness, and I presume you include his dishonesty in that, could lead to your club’s downfall, if, as you’ve previously claimed, the club is separate from the company? Surely, in your belief structure, it would only be the company, TRFC Ltd, that would ‘fall down’, and the club would just sit around, responsible for none of the inherent financial chicanery of the ‘overspend our way to success’ ethos that permeates at Ibrox, until some new ‘football company’ is set up to carry the can again!

I know it’s a bit early in the year to reintroduce the OC/NC debate, but I am wondering if you’ve, perhaps, come to realise that the idea that a football club can, for some skewed reason, escape the consequences of it’s own greed, is pretty ludicrous?


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ODDJOBJANUARY 1, 2018 at 13:42
Allyjambo,Thanks.I also suspect that the assignation of ” ra deeds” would provoke an angry response in some quarters
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And I suspect that the assignation of ‘ra deeds’, should it ever come to pass, might well be the last throw of the dice! What’s more, once any assets are used as security, it reduces the amount the current lenders are likely to get in the event of liquidation. It may well be that the directors, who are now refusing to give more loans, have, rather than reached the end of their free funds, decided that the lending has reached a level greater than, or close to, the total value of the group’s assets.

It’s one thing lending without security when in a position to ensure there is enough in the pot to, more or less, cover the amount of the loans, it’s an altogether different thing once someone else gets that security!

Whatever the accounts give as a value for the fixed and current assets, the directors will all have a very good idea of the realisable value of those assets (particularly the heritable asset value), and should total creditors begin to outstrip that value, they may well begin to wonder if it’s time to call in the administrators. Granting security over some of the heritable assets would only hasten the moment for unpleasant decisions.

If PMGB is correct in saying King is looking out for loans secured on the club’s heritable assets, then I am certain that the rest of the directors would carry out proper due diligence on the potential lenders before granting any security. Not that they have any dodgy characters in their midst, or anything, just that they are canny businessmen.


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