The Dismal Art of Whataboutery

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I think Dundee United should have given the tickets for …

Comment on The Dismal Art of Whataboutery by Tartawulver.

I think Dundee United should have given the tickets for the away end to local schools for free – pack out that end of the ground, good PR, maybe encourage some new fans, and show up Charles Green’s posturing for the pot-stirring nonsense it is

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Malaga given Euro ban for not paying football debts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/21/uefa-malaga-european-ban


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vforvernacular says:
Friday, December 21, 2012 at 15:44

And so the trolling nonsense derails the debate…….
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Then again v, the current topic is ‘the Dismal Art of Whataboutery’, so it’s actually ON topic!


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Grouch? Freudian slip there


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On Grounds for Judicial Review
So it might seem Jimbo!

Also, good point, about facilities for football fans in wheelchairs. All it takes is for the fittest and ablest of us to break a leg to suddenly find ourselves ‘disabled’ and discover just how many barriers there are to doing everyday things. Let’s hope clubs can be more accommodating, and that any new stands that are built make appropriate allowance.


On Grounds for Judicial Review
Interview in the Guardian today with Eni Aluko about the way the English FA dealt with her complaint.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/21/eni-aluko-interview-race-difficult-situation

It contains the following, which put me in mind of another FA’s approach to the mechanics of rigorous investigation (my use of bold text and terms in square brackets).

‘…seeing a lot of half-truths, a lot of misrepresentations and a lot of insinuations…’
‘How could I trust the process if the FA couldn’t be bothered to speak to the key people?’
‘The findings don’t explain why certain people…weren’t spoken to. Yet the FA would like us to take it as an unequivocal conclusion. People weren’t spoken to under oath. People weren’t cross-examined. It’s not a high court judge. It’s a paid barrister’s opinion, based on half the evidence, without speaking to key witnesses – yet speaking to [people] who have a vested interest…I believe those [people] are terrified to speak out. They are not going to speak out and…I wouldn’t either in their position.’
‘I empathise with the barrister, if I’m honest. I believe she was deliberately chosen… Her name has been plastered everywhere. I believe she has been given only half the information.’
‘The FA…had ignored key evidence so that’s why my lawyers wrote to them saying: ‘This is not a genuine search for the truth’


History, Neighbours and Made Up News
The Rangers drubbed various teams of assorted professionals / semi-pros / amateurs on their rise through the divisions. But that was only to be expected as their wages were vastly higher than their opponents.

Celtic hammered the Rangers, but that was only to be expected as their wages were vastly higher than their opponents.
 
Barcelona stuffed Celtic, but that was only to be expected as their wages were vastly higher than their opponents.

Football has always been dominated by big teams (usually big city teams able to attract higher attendances and hence matchday receipts), but now the the world game is well on the way to ossifying into structures based purely on financial categories, rather than competitiveness. The opposite of the US model of drafts and the sharing of resources to constantly regenerate competition, it is only a matter of time before enough people get fed up watching the same fare over and over again. A 7-0 might once have been an astonishing result, these days you just look at the two teams, check their categories, and you’d probably already factored in about 5 of those goals as the potential result anyway.

My generation was raised on football being in the bloodstream, a fixed number of big teams but rough round the edges in terms of the appearance of Ferguson’s Aberdeen, McLean’s Dundee United, Kendall’s Everton, Clough’s Forest, and so on. But we are witnessing the death of football, at least until it regenerates itself, not as yet another bigger (world? interplanetary?) league, but ones that are based on competitiveness.


History, Neighbours and Made Up News
The Rangers are sorely in need of some PR advice on when a period of silence might be to their advantage. Empty barrels, most noise and all that.


History, Neighbours and Made Up News
wottpiSeptember 12, 2016 at 08:56 
When everything is going so well at Celtic Park just now why do these imbeciles continually want to score classless own goals against their club?
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The ‘hanging dolls’ were worse than classless, and they were more than insults only to Rangers supporters. They were an affront to decency. How anyone could have such a lack of understanding as to how they would be perceived is beyond me. As I think Angela Haggery tweeted, they also allow an equivalence to be given to the actions of the two supports, 1-1 when seen against trashing the stadium toilets. The actions also support the ‘they’re both the same’ point of view. Crass, disturbing, malevolent, idiocy.

I doff my cap to the Celtic support for their support of the Palestinians. I hope your supporters will condemn the ‘hanging doll’ event unequivocally.


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