The Existence of Laws


Briggsbhoy says: Monday, May 20, 2013 at 22:18 ================================ Graham Spiers has …

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briggsbhoy says:
Monday, May 20, 2013 at 22:18


Graham Spiers has said they are a new club on Radio Clyde as has Andy Walker. Both say they don’t bother of course as long as the fans see them as the same club! To be fair to Spiers he said recently on Radio Scotland that every insolvency expert he has spoken to has confirmed they are a new club.

It is testimony to the cultural influence they maintain in Scotland that so many media people buy the line they’re not a new club. Some through blindness to reality, and others no doubt through fear of intimidation.

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slimshady61 says:
June 12, 2013 at 7:56 pm
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There is then a follow up from the same account saying “We could do with a Celtic scandal. Heard anything that might fit the bill?”

You would think any self respecting journalist would want to assure the public that ‘Celtic scandals’ are not manufactured just because the former Rangers FC willfully evaded paying its taxes. You really would, but their firm insistence that they will stay silent on all matters released by Charlotte is leading me to think their silence is actually consent.

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Sugar Daddy says:
June 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm
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ForresDee says:
June 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm

The real story, as many of you have already mentioned, is how much cash do Sevco have and how much are they losing per month. Got anything on that Charlotte?

Charlotte, put up or shut up.

With respect I feel you’re being rather harsh. Charlotte is releasing her info, much of which is of interest to many of us. There certainly seems to be a thread regarding whether the former club should have been given a Euro licence, with some questionable e-mails involving the SFA now in the public domain.

As for the current clubs finances, I don’t see what that has to do with Charlotte. if they run out of money that will surely be self revealing over the course of time.

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greenockjack says:
June 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm
One phrase Tom English wrote about Craig Whyte always sticks in my mind. At the start of the 2011/2012 season he wrote (on Rangers transfer market predictions) “Craig Whyte has money to spend and he will spend it”

It was of course complete rubbish and shows just how easily English was conned by Whyte.

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Questions, questions, questions
Mordecai 17th August 2022 At 05:31


The BBC did provide me with the Information Commissioner’s contact details in the event I wanted to take the matter further and I have indeed done just that! I really can’t see how in the event that a publicly funded organisation has used public money to gain media access to a football club that we don’t have a right to know. If they haven’t done so I believe we also have the right to know given this payment for media access was a known issue last season.

Questions, questions, questions
A few weeks ago, after the BBC published its groveling apology towards Ibrox, I asked under Freedom of Information whether (a) they have paid licence fee money to gain media access at Ibrox, and (b) whether any other Scottish club charges them for media access. They responded basically saying they don’t have to tell me, as journalism is not covered by the FOI act. I find this incredible given that if they have paid for access, they will have used money contributed by all licence fee payers. Also, does paying for access compromise their right to apply the same level of analysis as they do to clubs who don’t charge?

Edit: I see a fans forum online claiming the charge has been ditched ‘quietly’.

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John Clark 6th August 2022 At 23:42

But my deepest scorn is for those in the SMSM who ought, ought as a matter of journalistic duty, as being the very essence of ‘journalism’, to have got right into the stupid, stupid, lie that a football club in Liquidation was somehow still participating in Scottish Football as if it had not died!


For me the most disappointing thing is journalists who we know are not cheerleaders for all things Ibrox, being cowed into submission, I could mention them here, but basic human decency makes me know they have a job, and a family, and an employer who is beholden to all things ‘Rangers’. However, they really need to ask themselves why they ever bothered becoming journalists in the first place, because the ‘seeking the truth others don’t want to hear’ claim really doesn’t hold water! They’ve sold their soul, and they know it!

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Big Pink 6th August 2022 At 09:41

Seems unlikely that Morelos is part owned by anyone else. However there’s only way of testing either theory is if he is transferred, and that seems an ever decreasing outcome given all we have talked about for the last four years is how much he will be offloaded for.
Also, what happens if he runs goes contract down? Would that mean that the 14% would also disappear?
Just doesn’t sound right at all.


You may well be right, however given all that’s come to pass since 2012 I don’t think it can be ruled out either. If it is a breach of the SFA’s registration procedures what confidence would we have the SFA would do anything about it anyway? The absurd LNS investigation springs to mind. Also, the SFA themselves found there was a case to answer regarding the award of a European licence in 2011, then went on to just drop the case!

The tax thieving American businesswoman Leona Helmsley once said “taxes are for the little people”. In the same way, SFA rules are for the little people, who are every other club bar the one playing out of Ibrox. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that.

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Wokingcelt 28th July 2022 At 21:13

Taking a step back you have to ask what on earth has gone on here. I am fairly confident that the UK Government will face a public inquiry (or is that enquiry – I can never get that one right!) over Covid loans and procurements made. Not saying that it will put right the wrongs but at least there will be a report. I have zero confidence that any such inquiry will be held in Scotland to account for the untold millions – by my reckoning north of £100m which if scaled up would be north of £1.2bn in UK terms. And all for a football club – totally unconscionable.


The Scottish Government have said an independent inquiry will be held once all the legal processes are complete. The trouble is, how do you guarantee true independence in such a matter in Scotland? Nothing should be more independent than the Police and the legal system yet that is what will be under scrutiny. I doubt the Scottish Government will want any inquiry to say that there is institutional bias towards ‘Rangers’ because that would then lead to so many other questions. I suspect a lot more taxpayers money will be spent on a whitewash, with the real truth emerging in 30 years time. The very fact that so many politicians and media commentators stay silent on what is an absolute scandal tells us all we need to know. If it concerned any other football club there would be outrage. Old attitudes don’t die easily, and are clearly passed down the line. We should be truly thankful that HMRC do not answer to the Scottish Government.

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