The Existence of Laws


Nowoldandgrumpy says: Friday, June 7, 2013 at 12:49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You may be thinking …

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nowoldandgrumpy says:
Friday, June 7, 2013 at 12:49

You may be thinking about a different type of “financial assistance” -are you thinking about the govt putting in money?

The financial assistance these bandits are talking about goes back to the original purchase of oldco. There was a concern that because the Ticketus money was being used to buy the club in effect the assets of the club were being used to buy itself which is illegal under the Companies Act. It seems that after at least three lawyers opinions they were happy FA was not in play.

They seemed to fleetingly wish it was because they thought it may unwind the transaction. CW must have known the nature of the advice because as the purchaser he would have been the one in the frame for jail time but he pretended not to know. The FA section of the Companies Act is one of the few sections where the penalty is jail time.

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Gaz says:
June 12, 2013 at 5:44 pm

Sugar Daddy says:
June 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm

Can you tell me where you saw Rangers’ draft accounts before, or the correspondence between various parties, including lawyers and insolvency practitioners, or how you heard the audio of several private meetings.

I certainly hadn’t seen or heard those things.

To be fair the audio stuff has been pretty mundane and because Whyte is recording them he is measured and careful about everything he says.

The documentary evidence more or less confirms much of what has been collectively surmised on here.

We need the tapes of the SPL/SFA meetings for a real explosion.

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ecobhoy says:
June 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm

I know the media are being a bit careful after the Levinson “mauling” but most of the wrong doing there was down to the newspapers bribing officials for info and directly instructing hackers. CF is different as the media were not complicit in the hacking. Surely, as in the cases you quote above, they have a public responsibility to report on alleged fraud?

In short I can’t see why there are valid legal reasons for not publication of the information or at the very least reporting of it. Clearly editorial decisions have been made not to.

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Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
June 12, 2013 at 11:47 am

Does this now mean that whilst the U21 rule for SFL clubs is gone…..Sevco Currents can not play their new signings as trialists (in league and league cup games) and will have to wait until Sept 1st to register them

I phoned Sandy Bryson for clarification and he says it will be fine to play a trialist as technically they are not registered in the first place and if that argument doesn’t work Article 16.90 of the new rules says that:

“The Board reserves the right at all times to protect and promote the interests above all others of The Rangers (however they may be constituted at the time). Rangers are the best and boo to the rest. GIRUY’s”

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The Stella Dallas of Europe
upthehoops 12th August 2021 At 12:55

Rightly or wrongly (and there is no right or wrong anyway), people IMO will not shell out £600+ on a season ticket knowing half of it goes to clubs who only bring a couple of hundred fans to their ground.

Or in other words, as an Old Firm fan I’m not willing to help finance any improvement in Scottish football because we are fine as we are and have no real interest in creating competition. Diddy clubs with a few hundred fans should be left to rot.

It’s a false assumption. If the entertainment spectacle improved people would want to be there and even if it didn’t they wouldn’t be the best fans in the world if they weren’t there to get right behind their team and cheer them all the way to Hampden.

Here we go again
What the hell has gone wrong at Sellik?
Not seeing a lot about it on here.

Fergus McCann v David Murray
I was looking at the Celtic financials earlier and they seem to confirm my earlier thoughts on this (which I was shot down for in the days of the Thumbs Up/Down on here).

As a reminder, I said that because of such large overheads and dependence on Euro “success” an interuption of income and failure in Europe could create a financial issue. Despite cash reserves of some £28m.

Roll it forward 7 months and the issue is crystalising. Income at Champions League level has gone and Europa League progression looks uncertain. Hospitality, retail sales etc are all down. Player sale income in the period is almost equalled by purchases. The club has increased its debt facility to fill a revenue gap.

Post the accounts year end significant amounts have been spent on new talent in an attempt to secure 10 in a row.

Don’t get me wrong Sevco are no more financially secure than Celtic. In fact they must be struggling too. I will expand more on that later.

So, as tradition demands I have dealt with the two most important clubs in Scotch football first. I just cross my fingers and hope all of the rest survive as best they can.


Fergus McCann v David Murray
Cluster One 26th October 2020 at 21:46

reasonablechap 26th October 2020 at 09:52
I stopped listening to Superscoreboard years ago when DJ said lets wait and see what Ally spends the £10 mill on. After Green announced Ally would get £10 mill to spend in the lower leagues, that was enough delusion for me.

Frank in a matter of fact way used the term, Old Firm. However about a second or two later Frank realised this was a huge mistake for a Celtic fan on live radio and frantically tried to take it back.
Reminds me of a child using a swear word that they have just grown accustomed to hearing. If it is going to get rammed down youth throat as often as possible of course you are going to repeat it now and again.
The serious point being is that there are many Whilst they know they have to utter certain names and try to keep the old firm band wagon going as a general policy…. deep down they know .But if they want to keep a job they have to stick to the prefered script.


For a time I took on the onerous task of listening to Superscrotesboard on behalf of youse all and reporting back the Shugisms and Big Del's amateur PR mutterings.

I lapsed for a time during Lockdown but tonight I listened in and as you say Cluster the policy of slipping in a TRFC reference as part of the general policy into the farrago of assininity that passes for a show broke fresh ground tonight when it was extended to the Quiz. I say quiz but really I mean a test of knowledge for IMBECILES (apologies to any imbeciles on here who just read that last sentence).

One of the questions was:

"Which club has won the League Cup the most times?

It was such an easy one even I got it right. There can only be one answer thought I, it's Celtic. Imagine my surprise when Quizmaster Gordon somebody or other said it was Rangers with 27 wins.

I exclaimed loudly at the radio "That can't be right they've never won anything except the Petrocrap Cup". Alex Rae got the question right.

I should also report on the Rangers fan from Wishaw who called in 6 months late to declare that last season should have been declared "Null and Void". To be fair to Compere/Quizmaster Gordon he did say "goodness me I know the clocks went back at the weekend but I didn't think they went back all the way to March".

That was not enough to deter the Lanarkshire Bluesman who stated that were the League to end early this year and Rangers were top "they" would not call it and give them the title. Paranoia is alive and well in the Covid Age.

More Later I'm sure

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easyJambo 12th October 2020 at 17:19

I don't consider the author's take as being any different from that of RTC and many others who have commented on RFC's responses to HMRC enquiries.

We have also come across the document's author George Turner, several times previously.  He wrote for the Tax Justice Network (TJN) and the Offshore Game. His views have been consistent throughout.


Indeed but my point was more about others on here also making a submission to the enquiry along the same lines but asking why HMRC did not pursue the fraud allegations.

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