The Existence of Laws


Tic 6709 says: June 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm There is no …

Comment on The Existence of Laws by Auldheid.

Tic 6709 says:

June 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm

There is no proper governance structure discernible, no checks and balances and so no accountability. Dont like a rule? Ignore it. Cannot ignore it? Say it means what you want it to mean. Who is to stop you?

Most organisations have a clear reporting structure with levels of authority usually represented by some form of hierarchy in a trianglur shape.

The SFA operate on the mobius strip model.

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bogsdollox says:

June 12, 2013 at 6:47 pm

Unless CW was present you will not get them. It’s CW’s stuff CF has.

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john clarke says:

June 11, 2013 at 10:51 pm

Auldheid says:
June 11, 2013 at 10:30 pm
“..Unless the SFA can provide hard evidence of a written agreement between HMRC and Rangers that was not subsequently breached (if it existed in writing in the first place) then they have a case, along with the CF releases indicating how the SFA and Rangers sold UEFA the idea that the outstanding tax bill was not a payment overdue, that Celtic will
have all the leverage they require to get the changes they want…”
With the necessary reminder that the fight is not Celtic’s alone,I agree. And as said elsewhere,the CF stuff would have to be authenticated.
The CF stuff needs handled with care but having seen what is mentioned there in relation to the UEFA license and knowing my way around the process as I do I have no doubt that in that area at least the CF stuff is kosher.

I’ve written up a couple of pages and in doing so have concluded:

1. Between 1st April and around 10th May the wee tax bill was an overdue payable in UEFA terms and so a reason to refuse a license. This in spite of media efforts to try and place it in 2011 to stop it being classed as an overdue payable from 2010 by delaying publishing of previous years accounts until 1st April 2011. Remember all those “crystalise” smoke screens?

2. It ceased to be an overdue payable and so no reason to refuse a license from around 10th May when Rangers paid over £500k to HMRC and presumably entered a written agreement to pay the rest. If no written agreement it was still an overdue payable and so reason to refuse license.and it was around this time UEFA get all the info from national associations to approve a UEFA license (by 31st May or thereabouts.)

3. Since UEFA granted a license we have to assume

a) there was a written agreement with HMRC or
b) that SFA were misled by Rangers and did not check for one OR
c) that the SFA misled UEFA.

4. The wee tax bill arguably became an overdue payable again early June because although a down payment had been made, Sherriff Officers were alerted early June and called at Ibrox on 10th August. It is not clear if UEFA were notified of this event soon after it happened or not.

4. At this point it gets murky because CF material raises questions about just what UEFA were told in a SFA submission about the license that paved the way for events after the end of May and June to be ignored and to allow a less restrictive UEFA Article 67) to apply in terms of the proof demanded to retain the license, which in turn makes it easier to justify not withdrawing it.

The key but missing info is the submission to UEFA that gave the wee tax bill free pass NOT to become an overdue payable even when it remained unpaid.

There is more that all suggests SFA and Rangers plotted a way around the rules as soon as CW arrived, with possibility CW may have shafted the SFA and I’m not sure UEFA are squeaky clean either. It might even be discerned that the SFA’s help was used against them to keep a lid on it, but because some of it is Charlotte related I’ll hold back on the detail but it will get out one way or another.

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willmacufreewilmacufree says:

June 11, 2013 at 4:17 pm

For CO to be ejected there needed to be a majority of clubs wishing his removal.

Since his presence is more likely to enrich them as he makes sure Rangers get protection to climb the leagues, the clubs who will benefit from that climb are unlikely to want to see the back of him.

I think that the UEFA licence could be the extra leverage Celtic require to give them the upperhand when dealing with Ogilvie and Regan.

Unless the SFA can provide hard evidence of a written agreement between HMRC and Rangers that was not subsequently breached (if it existed in writing in the first place) then they have a case, along with the CF releases indicating how the SFA and Rangers sold UEFA the idea that the outstanding tax bill was not a payement overdue, that Celtic will have all the leverage they require to get the changes they want.

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It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
The allegations on CQN that Bobby Madden has a gambling problem surely require his  removal from the the firing line until the allegators are proved wrong.
No snap decisions, just a leisurely swim until there is no question as to his motivations. 

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
Dons/Hibees/Jambos and any other club wanting a UEFA spot.
Flogging players who have put TRFC near top of league is an admission those players unaffordable.
The solution is to make a licence for TRFC conditional on a realistic sustainable business plan. SFA are not doing their licencing job. Never have in fact.
So what questions are your club Directors asking the SFA?
Why not get them to ask UEFA if they are happy with the way SFA process licence applications from Ibrox. Seems UEFA not happy.
Proper club licencing can level the playing field a bit but it also protects all clubs from charlatans selling jam tomorrow.

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Allyjambo 21.41

Matthew Lindsay: Time for Dave King to depart Rangers – but who could take over at the Ibrox club?

Rangers need to be run by individuals whose integrity is beyond doubt.
Do such individuals steeped in blue exist?

As rare as a dodo nesting on an iceberg in Carlisle Bay, Barbados.
” No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” Albert Einstein

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I got my electronic copy of Not The View delivered yesterday.
Browsing through I thought I recognised The Christmas Tale offering and was pleased to read it as I had forgotten it was a tale I told at Christmas in 2012 (on CQN I think).
I think it worth repeating as a reminder of why SFM exists – because we love football and we love Scottish football and we aren’t done yet.
See me?
See me?
Ah jist luv fitbaw.
Its funny cos I was never that interested until about age eleven when a good pal, who was destined never to see his 21st birthday after a car crash in Rome encouraged me to try it. John was there to become a priest but got fast tracked by the Big Man who knows a good guy when he sees wan.
John encouraged me to give it a go in Suffolk St.  We played “croassies in” with the metal pull down blinds that formed the gates to the interior of the Barras as goals. Plastic baws, Fridos then Wembleys, arrived about then and many a red hot poker made the game a bogey in a failed attempt at repairing a burst baw.
(I blame the whelk shells; they were aw ower the place from the Oyster Bar in the Gallowgate (where I was entrapped in the cellar two weekends in a row cleaning whelks and mussels) and the ravenous appetite of the Glasgow punter for shellfish.
I played fitbaw morning, noon and night and saw Glasgow Green pitches UPGRADED from black ash/clinker to red blaze. We thought we were Wullie Fernie playing on that stuff and there was a case for playing with 10 baws as teams were filled with tanner baw players (goalies were just last man standing) for whom the object of the game was to beat everybody else in the opposition before scoring or it wisnae a goal.
I remember wan night  at the Glasgow Green waiting to play for St Alphonsus v Our Lady of Fatima  when I saw Tony Green, who was a Mungo boy and went on to play for Newcastle and Scotland before injury ended his career too early, waiting, sannies under his arm, to get a game with any team who were a man short. I think the OLOF manager mugged wan of his boys as Tony appeared for them and turned a virtuoso performance against us to give OLOF a 3-2 victory.
I started work and went to London for a year to work in the old Post Office Savings Bank. In my first week Jock (a Jock) approached and asked if I played. He never mentioned the sport, he didnae hiv tae, we wur already communicating at the spiritual level only fitbaw lovers can reach (the kind of thing that electrifies CP on CL nights.)
I get directions fur a game oan the Saturday at Acton Town and turn up, new Puma boots, paid by my transfer grant, under my arm (nae sannies fur me) On entering the park ahm puzzled, there wiz GRASS everywhere, nae clinker or red blaze in sight.  “Must be roon the back of the dressing rooms “ I remember thinking.
Anyhoo I gets changed runs roon the back to see — MAIR grass as far as the eye can see. So I troop back tae the dressing rooms to get directions to the ash pitches. When I explain what ah wiz used to playin oan they aw jist looked at me like my village wiz searching fur their idiot.
Well I get sorted out and line up. The baw, I remember, wiz a size 5 orange wan, but no wan o they bricks wi laces. The first pass to me wiz high and ah chests the ball doon and whirls roon afore I get studded from the back as wiz the custom oan the narrow pitches of Glasgow Green. To ma amazement the nearest opponent to me is about 4 yards away. As I look into his eyes I smile and turn to Jock at the sidelines and shout.
“Yer gonnae need anither baw” as I meander off in pursuit of the only goal that counted for a tanner baw man. I think I managed 7 before netting and I’ll take that. It wiz oan unfamiliar grass after all.
 Postscript “Aye very guid Auldheid” yer thinking (if you have stayed with me so far.)
“Nice reminiscing and it is Christmas Eve, so thanks fur the memories. “
But there’s mer tae this tale fur
See me?
See me?
I jist luv fitbaw.
Its ma game, its  OOR game and when I see the mess those responsible for looking after its welfare have made of it ah want to do something.
I hope ahm not alone.
Dec 2012

It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
That Dave King is allowed any influence in Scottiish football is a dereliction of the duty of the SFA to protect our game from criminality.

Dave King should be called to account by the other clubs via the SFA to provide evidence he can do what he has promised, which is bank roll TRFC.

At the very least the clubs should be preparing for another insolvency event at Ibrox and deciding the conditions they will set for TRFC to continue taking part in Scottish football on the same basis as every other club, who act with the utmost good faith to fellow members.

The clubs via the SFA have the powers under Club Licensing to do so, powers that the SFA Comp Off can only conclude the SFA have failed to utilise. Powers that UEFA must have recognised by now as a result of Res12 letter of May 2016 and UEFA Licence submission this year, are not being used fully by the SFA.  

It was self preservation that underpinned the 5 Way Agreement . The dangers of that agreement – destroying integrity, undermining trust, ignoring deceit – become more and more manifest and should alert other clubs to the necessity to exercise their collective responsibility to each other and so to our game that they govern via the SFA on our behalf, using Club Licensing powers.

When a particular course of action designed to preserve self is not working it is human nature to try another course.

Not renewing STs come April/May unless positive trust restoring actions are taken by our clubs collectively, is one way of changing minds about what is self preserving.

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