The Existence of Laws

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The Existence of Laws

A Blog by James Forrest for TSFM

I am a socialist, and as a socialist I believe in the fundamental goodness of people. Some people find that hard to believe when they read the stuff I write.

I published my first novel recently, on politics and the corrupting nature of it, and it is a deeply cynical book, a book where no-one has clean hands come the end. What has surprised some of those who’ve read it is that I didn’t focus on the lies and smears of the right, but the hypocrisy and deceit of those who claim to be of the left.

Corruption, you see, doesn’t respect political boundaries or points of view. It’s like rainwater. It finds every crack, and gets in there.

My political beliefs revolve around two apparently paradoxical elements; the belief in the inherent decency of people and the need for a strong, and powerful, state. I believe the second underpins the first, and this brings me into conflict with a lot of people, some on the left and some on the right. Too many people see the state as inherently evil, as something that interferes too much in the lives of ordinary people. As something suffocating.

Yet the state exists to protect us. It exists to provide a safety net. It exists to regulate and to oversee. If the state is made up of bad people, if the gears of society are captured by those with malicious or selfish intent, the results are obvious; war, corruption, chaos.

The vast majority of our problems in the modern age can be neatly summed up in two lines from Yeats’ poem “The Second Coming”, which I used to open my novel. “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”

We live in a time when those who are protecting their own interests have assumed such power that they’ve cowed the rest of us. They have become a law unto themselves. They have changed the nature of the game, because they have sapped our will to the extent some barely put up a fight anymore. The weak get weaker, and the strong use their strength to crush the rest even more. It is a vicious struggle, a downward spiral.

Society is held together not only by the endeavour and common interests of its citizens but by a collection of laws. We elect the people who make those laws. They do so in our name, and we can remove that right every four years. That is a powerful thing, and we do not appreciate it enough. The present corruption exists because we allow it to exist.

The people around me continue to puzzle over my uncommon interest in the affairs of a football club on the west of Glasgow. My own club plays in the east end. I tell those who ask that my primary interest in the goings-on at the club calling itself Rangers is no longer about football; how could it be, after all? With promotion this year they are still a full two divisions below us, emasculated, skint, weak and unstable. If we were fortunate enough to draw them in cup competition the match would be over, as a tie, by the halfway point … in the first half.

In footballing terms they are an utter irrelevance.

Rangers is more than a football club to me. They are a symbol. Their unfolding calamity is an on-going outrage. What is happening there, what is being allowed to happen, is an offense to decency. It is a stain on the face of our country.

In short, it is a scandal. It is a scandal without parallel in sport.

Yet it’s not just a sports story either. If it was, I might not be so focussed on it. What is happening at Rangers is a colossal failure of governance. It is a damning indictment against the very people who are supposed to oversee our game. It is a disgraceful abrogation of responsibility from those at the top, those who claim to be “running things.”

If this is not a failure of governance it is a result of corruption at the heart of our national sport. It says they are bought and paid for, and I will say no such thing here.

So let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. We’ll say instead that what they are is weak, indecisive, inept and disconnected from reality.

It reminds me of our political class, which has become insular and ignorant about what the public wants, and what it needs. It’s not a wonder parties like UKIP can achieve national vote shares of 25% at local elections. Nigel Farage strikes me as a dog-whistle politician, the kind who knows how to appeal to a select group of voters. He is little different to Charles Green, the man who beguiled Rangers fans into handing over large amounts of money, because he was “standing up for the club.” It is easy to do what he did, easy to do what Farage is doing.

Real leadership requires toughness. Say what you like about the Tories, but they have that in spades. Yeats was right about the worst being full of passionate intensity. Green was. Farage is. Cameron and Osborne personify it in their political outlook.

It is easy to be cowed by blunt force politics, and by “tough talking Yorkshire men” and venomous speeches about “strivers and skivers.” The politics of divide and conquer is the oldest form of politics there is, and it’s no surprise to see it practiced by some of the vested interests in the game here in Scotland. Yet, lest we forget … something significant happened last year. The maligned and the ignored, the weak and the voiceless found something they never realised they had. They discovered that, in a very real sense, the power was in their hands.

Last year, the fans rose up when the governing bodies and the media went all-out to save Rangers from the self-inflicted wounds caused by a decade of cheating, malpractice and ineptitude. I have no problem calling that what it was.

What happened at Rangers seemed incredible, but it was all too predictable, and some of us had been talking about it for years before it hit. The Association seemed caught in the headlights but it would amaze me if they really were as insular and ignorant as they appeared. They must have known how bad the outlook was for Rangers. They just chose to ignore it.

They were aided and abetted by a thoroughly disreputable media, a collection of cowards and compromisers, charlatans and frauds, masquerading as journalists, but who long ago laid aside any claim to be bold investigators and settled for commenting on events as they unfolded. More often than not, with their ill-informed opinions, sometimes due to weaknesses in intellect and others wilfully ignorant, they failed even in that.

Entire newspapers became PR machines for crooks and swindlers. They aided in the scam because they didn’t do their jobs, some because they were lazy, some because they were incompetent and others because they wanted a seat at the table and were willing to sacrifice whatever integrity they once had in exchange for one.

That all of this was embraced by the Rangers fans is amazing to me. They trusted when they should have been asking questions. They closed their eyes, covered their ears and sang their battle tunes at the top of their voices so they wouldn’t have to hear anything they didn’t like. As incredible as I found it then, and still find it now – and now, even more so, when they have already seen the results of it once – I find it pathetic too, and I do feel pity for some of them.

A lot of these people are genuine football fans, and nothing more. They have no interest in the phony narrow nationalism, or the over-blown religion, or the notion of supremacy which manifested itself in a ludicrous statement from McCoist when interviewed recently on Sky.

Some of the Rangers fans look at their team of duds, kids and journeymen, they look at a boardroom of cowards and crooks, they look at a failing manager in his first (and last) job in the game and at a dark future and are not in the least bit impressed by, or interested in, the chest-out arrogance espoused in those ridiculous words “we are the people.” They know full well that their present crisis was made by men like McCoist, and they understand that pretentious posturing is not an act born of strength, but a scrambling around in the gutter, and a symptom of weakness.

They understand their position, and they hate it. And because they care about Rangers, because they value the club, because they cherish those things that made it a great Scottish institution, they want that back. They understand that before the Union Jack waving, Sash singing, poppy wearing, Nazi saluting, Orange element became the public face of their support Rangers meant something else, and that, above all things, is what pains them the most.

People do not hate Rangers. When the country appeared to turn its back last year, they were turning the back on favouritism and the bending of rules. Yet it would be a lie to say that there is not an element of dislike in the gleeful mockery of many rival fans.

But they don’t hate Rangers either. They hate the version of it around which a certain section of the support continues to dance. They hate the version which hates, and so too do many, many, many Rangers supporters, and they definitely deserve better.

David Murray chose not to openly challenge that version. Indeed, he encouraged certain strands of it to flourish and grow, with his “Britishness Days” and his effort to turn the club into the “team that supports the troops.” Other clubs have done as much, if not more, for the British Army than the one that plays out of Ibrox. Other clubs have given more money. Other clubs have lent their support to those on the front lines. They just chose to do it with respect, and with class, and with dignity. They chose to do it in private, understanding that there eventually comes a tipping point between looking after the ends of the soldiers and using them to promote your own.

The army has not battened on to Rangers. Rangers has battened on to them, and although it is unclear when an altruistic motive became darker, what started out as a gesture of solidarity is now used to entrench division and promote a notion of superiority.

Craig Whyte took over from Murray and immediately understood the lure of the “dog whistle.” He knew too that the media would accept whatever he told them, without question, and as he spoke up for “Rangers traditions” he made sure the lunatic fringe was well onside. He met face to face with the hard-core extremists in the support first and made them his praetorian guard. They spoke up for him until the day the club entered administration.

So, whereas Murray pandered to them and Whyte used them to further his own ends, it was only a matter of time before someone suggested to Charles Green that he could use the same tactics to win over the support. He went even further and blatantly promoted and encouraged this mind-set, and stoked the hate and nonsense to frightening new heights. The same people who cheered Whyte to the rafters jumped on board the Big Blue Bus and the results are clear.

Through all of it, the ordinary Rangers fan has seen his club buffered against the rocks, battered, broken, smashed to smithereens and sunk. Now there’s a big hole in the side of the lifeboat, and they are terrified that further tragedies await.

They are right to be concerned. Much of the media is still not telling them what they need to know. The people in charge of their club – the owners who have lied, the former hack who covered up the truth about Whyte and now acts as a mouthpiece for Green, the “club legends” who are content to sup with the devil and take his greasy coin when they should be standing toe-to-toe with the fans – are trying to silence those members of the press who do have facts to present.

How many times now have media outlets been banned from Ibrox for daring to report the truth? The manager who demanded the names of a committee last year defends those inside the walls who are desperate to keep secret the things that are going on. He is either an unprincipled coward, or he is, himself, bought and paid for. The fans suffer for it.

The “inconvenient truth” is still being kept from them, and this denies them any chance to play an active role in their club. Indeed, it is all too possible that they’ve passed a point of no return, and that their club is heading for a new liquidation event and it can no longer be stopped.

In either case, their power has been eroded to the point at which they must feel they have nothing left to do but stand back and watch what happens next.

They are wrong. I am a socialist. I believe in the inherent good of people. I think the ordinary decent Rangers fans are the only people left who can save their club … and the means by which they will do it is as simple as it could be.

They must stand up for “big government.” They must embrace the need for a “strong state.” They must lobby the SFA, and they must trust the SFA and they must get the SFA to follow its own rules and thereby save them from any further harm.

There is a tendency amongst some Celtic fans to see our governing bodies as pro-Rangers. If it is true then those running our game are ruining Scottish football without benefiting the thing they love more. The incalculable harm that has been done to Rangers in the last 20 some months is a direct result of the subservient media and the willingness of the football authorities to be “deaf, dumb and blind.” Those who believe this has actually helped the Ibrox club have not been paying attention in class. It has irrevocably scarred them, and it may yet have played a hand in destroying them once and for all, as a force if not as a club entirely.

For years, the SFA sat and did nothing as a club in their association operated a sectarian signing policy. They did nothing whilst the fans sang sectarian songs. In their failure to act they strengthened those elements of the Rangers support, instead of isolating, alienating and eventually helping to eliminate those who saw that club as a totem pole of division and hate. Their failure over EBT’s, and their lack of scrutiny, led to one of the greatest scandals in the history of sport, and I say that with no equivocation at all. The testimony of their registrations officer in the Lord Nimmo Smith investigation was a disgrace and in years to come it will rank as one of the most disreputable and damaging moments in the association’s history.

The most egregious failures of all were the failures in the so-called “fit and proper person” tests, which allowed first Whyte and then Charles Green to assume controlling positions at Ibrox. They will pass the buck and say the responsibility lies with the club itself, in much the same way as they are content to let the club investigate itself at the present time, but any neutral who looks at this stance knows it is unprincipled and spineless. It’s like letting the defence set the terms at a trial. It is foxes investigating the chicken coop.

It is a blueprint for corruption, and a recipe for disaster.

It is now too late for the SFA to declare Green “unfit”, as it was too late when they finally slapped that title on Craig Whyte. He and his allies own Rangers, and they control its destiny. They can push the club to the wall if they choose, in the final extremity, if that gets them what they want. The time for changing that is past. The damage has already been done. The barbarians are not at the gates. They are inside the walls, and sacking the city.

The SFA will be forced to punish Rangers for the sins of the owners, for the second time in as many years, and whilst it is right that the club face up to that, all the better to send a message to other clubs and other owners, the SFA cannot be allowed to slither off the hook here as though this was none of their doing. Green will skip off into the sunset. Craig Whyte has yet to pay his fine. These people never cared about Scottish football and they don’t care now.

The SFA are supposed to. Our governing body is supposed to govern, for the good of the whole game, and not as a support system for a single club. What they have allowed to happen on their watch is absolutely shameful and if the people responsible were men at all, with any sense of accountability, they would resign en masse.

They can pretend ignorance, but only the truly ignorant would accept that. Craig Whyte was not inside Ibrox a week before RTC and other sites were dismantling his entire business history, with some of the people here doing the work the SFA would not. Whyte himself claims to have made the governing bodies aware of the scale of what was facing the club, and they did nothing at all. Heads should have rolled a year ago.

In October of last year, on this very site, I posted an article in which I wrote:

“Which isn’t to say the due diligence matter isn’t worrying, because, of course, it is. Again, no-one is going to convince me that the SFA has conducted proper due diligence on Charles Green and his backers. No-one will convince me they are satisfied that this club is in safe hands, and that the game in this country will not be rocked by a further implosion at Ibrox. They failed to properly investigate Craig Whyte, because of lax regulations requiring disclosure from the club itself, regulations which are just a joke, but they can be forgiven for that as the press was talking sheer nonsense about him having billions at his disposal, and a lot of people (but not everyone!) were either convinced or wanted to be convinced by him.

To have witnessed what Whyte did, to have witnessed the Duff & Phelps “process” of finding a buyer, and having Green essentially emerge from nowhere, with a hundred unanswered questions as to his background and financing, for the SFA to have given this guy the go ahead, only for it to blow up in their faces later, would annihilate the credibility of the governing body and necessitate resignations at every level. There would be no hiding place.”

There are times when it is fun to be right, but this is not one of them. It is dispiriting and disquieting to have been so on the nose. It scares the Hell out of me, as someone who loves football in this country, to have seen this matter clearly when the people running our game apparently either did not or chose to ignore very real, very obvious, concerns. The Internet Bampots had no special insight or access to information that was denied those at the SFA. We just weren’t prepared to ignore it and pretend that it wasn’t there. There was too much at stake.

I have become convinced that things will never change until the Rangers supporters join us in demanding the full and unabridged truth here. They need to come out from under the bed, and confront their fears. They need to be willing to take the consequences, so that their club can emerge clean from this, and start again, with all this behind them.

And it can all happen with one simple thing. The application of the rules.

The existence of laws comes down to a simple principle; they protect society from those elements within it who are interested only in their own selfish ends. We may cry out at those rules and regulations we see as “restrictive”, but the law was not made to restrict our freedoms but to protect them. Had the SFA years ago acted against Rangers sectarian signing policy, and the songs from the stands, the club would not have mutated to the point where there was no help on hand when they needed it the most. Let’s not kid ourselves about this; Whyte and Green were only able to grab control because the club itself has a dreadful image which put off respectable and responsible buyers. The SFA could have helped change that perception years ago and did nothing.

The SFA could have conducted its own investigation into who Craig Whyte was. They could have asked David Murray for full disclosure when he was running up £80 million of debt, a sum of money that is beyond belief for a single club in a small provincial backwater league. Had they had the guts to do that the club would never have spent itself into oblivion and forced the hand of Lloyds, which led indirectly to their ignominious end.

The SFA could have fully investigated Charles Green and the means by which he took control, instead of rushing through a license. His emergence at the last minute was transparently suspicious and designed to force them into a quick decision, but they did not have to bow to that pressure by making one, without being in possession of the facts, as it is now 100% clear they were not.

Had they asked for every document, had they insisted on legal affidavits and personal securities from investors (and this would have been perfectly legitimate and is common place in other licensing areas) none of this would have come to pass. After Craig Whyte they had a moral responsibility to the rest of the game to get this one right and their failure is without parallel in the history of Scottish football.

As the club hurtles towards a new abyss, names are cropping up which should send a shudder down the spines of every honest, genuine supporter of not only Rangers but every team in the land. The SFA claims that a strong Rangers is essential for the sake of Scottish football, but they have been extraordinarily lax in protecting that club, and therefore the game, from destructive elements. Craig Whyte and Charles Green had dubious personal histories, and the acquisition of the club itself was mired in controversy and scandal. Yet it was allowed.

Neither Green nor Whyte were known to have operated outside the law, yet neither was worthy of trust or stood up to scrutiny. Neither man should ever have been granted the status as fit and proper persons to assume a role in our national sport, and if it is true of them what can we say about the three men who are, presently, being touted as the Great White Hopes for a bright, new Rangers future; Dave King and the Easdale brothers?

King recently cut a deal with the South African government over an on-going dispute over taxes. In other words, he pled guilty and accepted the central plank of their argument; that for years he was engaged in wilfully with-holding vast revenues from their Treasury. The media does not like to put it like that, and the SFA seems willing to ignore it utterly, and this would be scandalous enough. But it does not stop there. HRMC rules – as well as the SFA’s own governance documents – actually bar him from serving on the board of the new club.

Last but not least, aside from being an admitted tax cheat, King is also awaiting trial in South Africa, having been indicted for corruption, forgery and fraud – 300 charges in total. Yet as recently as last week, we were told that the Association was willing to look at him and consider representations from his lawyers. This is almost beyond belief.

If Dave King’s position is untenable, and he is yet to be convicted of a crime, what can we say about the position of the Easdale’s? One of the two brothers, Sandy, has already served jail time. He is a convicted criminal, a fraudster nonetheless, who’s “victim” was the same Treasury who are appealing one case involving the old club and liquidated it entirely over another. This is precisely the kind of “businessman” the fit and proper person test was supposed to weed out, and if the SFA holds its nose here the reek will stink out the halls at Hampden for decades. If King or the Easdale’s are judged fit and proper, then who exactly is the test for? What exactly do you have to do to fail it? How do we explain the existence of laws, when these are not applied?

Pascal says “Law without force is impotent.” The SFA’s weakness has allowed one version of Rangers to destroy itself, and has allowed an existential risk to another. If the next power at Rangers resides in South Africa or Greenock I can say with some certainty that the Association is engaged in an even more dangerous roll of the dice, because the surfacing of fresh scandal will be an ever present risk, and will be of the sort no-one will survive.

The damage to Scottish football will take years to heal. The Scottish game has been through enough trauma. It does not need more. It barely survived the last calamity to hit Rangers. The rest of us should not be forced to pay the price of the next one.

The greater damage will be done to Rangers itself. If the Green crisis ends in another collapse – as it well might; another administration event is a certainty, and another liquidation is a much more likely prospect than it was before 14 February 2012 – the club will once again have to start from the bottom, and this time the reputational damage will be impossible to repair. The club faces internal strife, sporting sanctions, and criminal investigations. The last takeover might be declared a fraud. the Whyte takeover will almost certainly be. The share issue might be invalid, as well as criminal, and the people involved may well end up in jail. Lawsuits could follow from investors, there could be as yet unknown consequences from the Upper Tier Tax Tribunal (thank you Brogan Rogan for pointing out what those might be) and a host of other issues.

Rangers fans must be the loudest voices here. How do you want the world to view your club in years to come? Do you want one to be proud of, or one forever associated with the shame and disgrace of these days gone by? The one which bailed out on its tax obligations. The one with supporters who disgrace your very name. The one which allowed Whyte and Green to take you to the cleaners and send you to the wall. The one which handed over control to one convicted criminal and another awaiting trial. Do you want to be reborn clean, or mired in the muck?

David Murray destroyed your financial stability. He made it so no bank would issue you a line of credit and no investor of note wanted to buy. Craig Whyte liquidated you. Charles Green has cast the future of the Newco into doubt and acted in a manner which has annihilated your credibility with the financial markets for decades to come.

Between these three men, they have taken everything from you, and the press and the people who run the game here, as well as some of your own blindly ignorant fans, have allowed them to do all this and more. Now they conspire to hand the keys to Ibrox to other men of questionable character, who will wreck further havoc on the reputation of the club.

The Scottish Football Association has damaged the game it was supposed to protect, but above all else their greatest failure of governance was a failure to protect one of its biggest clubs from its own excesses and those of its owners.

Rangers fans, the SFA have betrayed your trust, more than the trust of any other club. What you must insist on now is full disclosure and transparency from the powers that be in Hampden. The SFA has to end the charade of allowing your club to handle this in-house. They must hand everything over to an outside agency – whether a legal one, or a footballing body like UEFA – and they must demand co-operation and answers, and threaten to withhold the license if they don’t get them.

You must not be afraid of that. You must embrace it. The men with their hands on the gears at Ibrox are motivated by money, and nothing more. If the license is withdrawn their “investments” are worthless. They cannot risk that.

You must demand that the rules on fit and proper persons are applied, and where necessary even made stronger, to prevent your club falling into unclean hands. You must demand that they protect your reputation from further damage, by getting this all out there and acting accordingly, even if that means your club does not play football for at least a year.

You must be willing to suck it all up, knowing that what will emerge is a Rangers which has been cleansed and moves forward with honour, and dignity, led by custodians who treasure it rather than those who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

The Rangers Standard has recently emerged as a genuine voice for those in your support who are sick and tired of what Rangers has become, and want it restored to something that is worthy of the love and respect in which you hold it. On that website, there are discussions about the kind of club you seek to be and about whether the institution of Rangers is about more than just football.

If that’s how you feel about it then you know it is about more than how many titles the club can claim, about more than just results on the park, about more than just the game. Rangers, like Celtic, is an idea. It has to be something you are proud of.

I am a socialist, but one with a fevered imagination and a tendency to write very dark things. This piece won’t have been good reading for some of you (perhaps all of you haha!) but I think there’s more hope in here than in other things I’ve written.

In spite of everything that’s come to pass, I still believe. I believe in Scottish football. I believe in our system of football governance, even if those who are working in it are failing on some level.

In society, as much as we strain against them, laws exist for our protection. To fail to enforce them is to leave us at the mercy of those elements who would do us harm. The rules of football ensure the protection of all clubs, not just a few.

The failure to enforce the rules has never had graver consequences than here in Scotland.  The irony is that bending and breaking them has hurt the one club those violations were designed to help. It cannot be allowed to happen again.

The rules must be applied without fear or favour.

The best must find their conviction, and their passionate intensity once more.

James is a co-editor of the On Fields of Green Blog http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

5,802 Comments so far

CastofThousandsPosted on11:47 pm - May 23, 2013


Someone posted earlier about the wee boy with his finger in the leaking dyke. Well…..

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Forres Dee (@ForresDee)Posted on11:50 pm - May 23, 2013


mullach says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:34
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Charlotte tweeted this on 18 May

“Prominent Rangers Supporters Spokesperson sends me this, thinking I’m Craig!!! “Been an admirer of your recent work. Would be good to talk”

Then she tweets this just now.

http://i.imgur.com/HebNyLo.jpg

Either she definitely is CW or she has somehow set up a mirror e:mail address so she gets all his mail.

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Or maybe to email address was handed over as part of a larger deal, either way that email addy is burnt as a source, but after being all depressed and bored, it seems to have gone up a DEFCON level tonight!

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TSFMPosted on11:51 pm - May 23, 2013


mullach says:

Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:34 (Edit)
Charlotte tweeted this on 18 May

“Prominent Rangers Supporters Spokesperson sends me this, thinking I’m Craig!!! “Been an admirer of your recent work. Would be good to talk”

Then she tweets this just now.

http://i.imgur.com/HebNyLo.jpg

Either she definitely is CW or she has somehow set up a mirror e:mail address so she gets all his mail.
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You may have something there. Very curious that CtH would have a mail sent to CW only last week. A day or two after the initial CtH public revelations and the same day that CtH was having a go on this blog.

Just an observation, but isn’t that a strange date format for a Glasgow based Bear?

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BayviewGoldPosted on11:53 pm - May 23, 2013


TSFM says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:26

As a fan of a smaller club I can concur on the hugh sproat analogy, I know first hand that the Methil “choir” would recite the party songs of the ‘other team’ whenever CFC/RFC where in town, all harmless fun I’m sure.

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CastofThousandsPosted on11:55 pm - May 23, 2013


TSFM says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:51

“Just an observation, but isn’t that a strange date format for a Glasgow based Bear”?
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US format. Maybe his computer has never been set up properly.

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BayviewGoldPosted on11:55 pm - May 23, 2013


TSFM says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:51

Just an observation, but isn’t that a strange date format for a Glasgow based Bear?

The date format is US and is from the receiver’s email format as it is a quotation.

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john clarkePosted on11:56 pm - May 23, 2013


bayviewgold says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:09

‘now this is getting interesting, it truly is armageddon, infighting at TSFM, SPL/SFL chaos and threats, and greek hitmen in the big hoose, my flabbber is truly gasted at todays blog comments..’
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If there is any more of this, I’ll begin to think that Charlotte is Ian Rankin, Harlan Coben, or James Kellerman!

( And, learning from SDM and Craigie boy, I assert my rights to a share in the profits of the best-seller that any of those brilliant authors could write ( well,maybe not Fifer Rankin?) if they use my suggestion thatwhat is absolutely begging to be written is ” The’Rangers Saga”).

Which will be “An explosive account of business fraud in the passionate, corrupt world of Scottish Football ( aye,ok,ok, ok. Harlan and James! -‘soccer’), and of government connivance in that fraud, and of press propaganda supporting the fraud:and the massive rip-off of creditors, of loyal working-men being conned right left and centre by appeals to their loyalty by be-suited charlatans , the savage in-fighting of the same charlatans for control of millions of pounds worth of assets,AND the threat of employing Greek assassins to add to the mix ( oops, maybe that’s a racist word?)

Bloody hell, I think I’m on a winner here! 🙂

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BayviewGoldPosted on11:59 pm - May 23, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:25

The AIM regulations are looser than the main exchange but I know that on the main exchange pending or threats of significant legal action must be reported. They are usually backed up in the reports or prospectus with weasel words such as “without merit” “expect no significant impact to business” etc.

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Night TerrorPosted on12:00 am - May 24, 2013


Regarding the choice of strips for the cup final – glad to see we are back onto the real issues of import in Scottish Football –

[TSFM Edit – removed for sarcasm/Trolling. NT, you are a valuable poster, but I wish you would show a bit more maturity.]

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ecobhoyPosted on12:00 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:34

Charlotte tweeted this on 18 May

“Prominent Rangers Supporters Spokesperson sends me this, thinking I’m Craig!!! “Been an admirer of your recent work. Would be good to talk”

Then she tweets this just now. http://i.imgur.com/HebNyLo.jpg
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Someone is obviously trying to stitch Dingwall up – the guy just isn’t that daft. And it’s all a bit iffy – she knows on 18 May that a named “Prominent Rangers Supporters Spokesperson’ has contacted her but doesn’t know what FF means and has to ask tonight what it means.

That stinks and actually rings big alarm bells with me and here 15 minutes ago I thought I had her role figured out. Of course she might have received the ‘fake’ email allegedly from Dingwall from either a Celtic blogger or one of the Rangers factions who are really at each other’s throats at the moment.

Charlotte could be playing cute – possibly to disguise she is actually Craig – by kidding on she doesn’t know what FF means but that seems highly unlikely IMO.

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BayviewGoldPosted on12:01 am - May 24, 2013


john clarke says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:56

I’ll buy it, with possibly a bit of irvine welsh and alasdair gray thrown in 🙂

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ecobhoyPosted on12:04 am - May 24, 2013


john clarke says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:56

AND the threat of employing Greek assassins to add to the mix
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Yea don’t believe that bit look how long it took Samaras to hit the target 🙂

Only joking!

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TSFMPosted on12:06 am - May 24, 2013


bayviewgold says:

Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:55 (Edit)

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TSFM says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:51

Just an observation, but isn’t that a strange date format for a Glasgow based Bear?

The date format is US and is from the receiver’s email format as it is a quotation.
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But CW isn’t US-based. A wee indiscretion on CtH’s part?

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newtzPosted on12:06 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:

Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:17

That’s the way it reads newtz. I’d still be tempted to reserve judgement since there is a level of self incrimination. Why ‘out’ yourself at this stage. If Charlotte is effectively CW, does he just not recognise the level of self incrimination in the ‘settlements’ document. There could be more twists yet.
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Looks like things escalated …….. CW nothing to lose …… the threats were there in AE email ……. timing is everything …… the RIFC investigation could not be allowed to clear CG ……… ‘switch’ to nuclear option ….. slam the button …. genie out of the bottle …… no going back ….. run ….!

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Night TerrorPosted on12:07 am - May 24, 2013


Leak an email with a seemingly unredacted email address then wait for the gullible to email those addresses – which are of course your own.

Could work.

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BayviewGoldPosted on12:08 am - May 24, 2013


TSFM says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:06
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bayviewgold says:

But CW isn’t US-based. A wee indiscretion on CtH’s part?

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Florida? 🙂

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Forres Dee (@ForresDee)Posted on12:09 am - May 24, 2013


ecobhoy says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:00

mullach says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:34

Charlotte tweeted this on 18 May

“Prominent Rangers Supporters Spokesperson sends me this, thinking I’m Craig!!! “Been an admirer of your recent work. Would be good to talk”

Then she tweets this just now. http://i.imgur.com/HebNyLo.jpg
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Someone is obviously trying to stitch Dingwall up – the guy just isn’t that daft. And it’s all a bit iffy – she knows on 18 May that a named “Prominent Rangers Supporters Spokesperson’ has contacted her but doesn’t know what FF means and has to ask tonight what it means.

That stinks and actually rings big alarm bells with me and here 15 minutes ago I thought I had her role figured out. Of course she might have received the ‘fake’ email allegedly from Dingwall from either a Celtic blogger or one of the Rangers factions who are really at each other’s throats at the moment.

Charlotte could be playing cute – possibly to disguise she is actually Craig – by kidding on she doesn’t know what FF means but that seems highly unlikely IMO.

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FF – follow friday, on twitter, many other things in the wider world, it only has your suggested meaning in the crucible of scottish football and west coast politics.

Given charlottes suggested time variance and US style dates, is it possible that the person holding this info doesn’t really understand the minute details that we all pounce on very quickly, due to maybe being somewhere like BVI?

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TSFMPosted on12:12 am - May 24, 2013


ecobhoy says:

Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:00 (Edit)

Someone is obviously trying to stitch Dingwall up.
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I agree. I expect a robust denial shortly. It would be very odd if that didn’t happen.

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BayviewGoldPosted on12:13 am - May 24, 2013


I strongly believe that Charlotte is NOT CW, but someone acting on someone else’s instructions, it may be CW it may be someone else, but the timezone and date format point to EST as a likely location, now CF did post on here and the IP address location may confirm that hypothesis 🙂

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Night TerrorPosted on12:17 am - May 24, 2013


@TSFM

Likewise.

Bye.

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manandboyPosted on12:18 am - May 24, 2013


HirsutePursuit says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 18:09
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manandboy says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 15:59
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Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 15:52

Wasn’t Smiffy there too at the time?
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Do you think GS was really part of the ‘get out of jail’ think tank ?
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For anyone with knowledge of Rangers use of EBTs and the potentially catastrophic liability it was accruing, the demise of Gretna around 2007/08 is sure to have focussed the mind.

When the London Police raided Ibrox in 2007 (in connection with other events) and took away the players’ EBT side-letters, Rangers were effectively dead club walking.

It certainly looks like the SFA deliberately put in place a contingency in 2008/09 that would give their board, the ability to keep a liquidated club’s brand alive.

Was GS there by design or simply by good fortune? However he came to be there, he sure was in the right place at the right time. And however this rule change came about, it sure came about at the right time.

Did some members of the SFA board see the liquidation of Rangers coming from a long way out? Yes IMO, of course they did.

Did some members of the SFA board have Rangers in mind when they agreed to put this rule change to the members? Yes IMO, of course they did.

Would some members (and ex-members) of the SFA board think that CW had been brought in by SDM, specifically to liquidate the old club? Yes IMO, of course they would.
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Excellent, HP

(As to GS, SFA CEO June 2007 – April 2010,

but sitting alongside CO, who in June 2003, became SFA treasurer,

now second vice-president.

On 1 June 2007, CO became first vice-president of the SFA.

On 8 June 2011 it was confirmed that CO would take up the presidency of the SFA.

I don’t see GS playing the role of the main man for RFC at the SFA with CO underneath him.

Much more likely to be the other way round

Yet still a perfect placement, making life all too easy for CO/RFC at the SFA)

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CastofThousandsPosted on12:25 am - May 24, 2013


Forres Dee (@ForresDee) says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:09

“doesn’t really understand the minute details that we all pounce on very quickly, due to maybe being somewhere like BVI”?
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I was thinking about Dingwall’s computer not being set up right but the date information would be concerning the recipient. East coast US or Caribbean might fit with US stylee. 7.50 am receipt would mean lunch time UK if that were the case. BVI crossed my mind. Some ‘Geek’ with access to the Liberty Capital e:mail server?

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john clarkePosted on12:29 am - May 24, 2013


bayviewgold says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:01
” I’ll buy it, with possibly a bit of irvine welsh and alasdair gray thrown in ”
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Throw in Christopher Brookmyre, and we’ve got a deal!

But, now that I think about it, Brookmyre might be just the very dab! ( and there’s an expression of my childhood-haven’t used it or heard it since then!)

He could wonderfully catch the whole, comedic, farcical aspect of what is a profoundly serious matter for, perhaps, millions of people.

Welsh? He would be apt to go for a very, very dark view, based on dog-whistling managers and the kind of savagery that their dog-whistling brought about, including the use of Greek assassins!

Gray? Not sure that he could, in writing, get the essence of the likes of CW or CG or SDM etc.

But he could do a brilliant jacket for the best-seller, capturing the rottenness of the ‘ personae dramatis’ in a few brushstrokes.

We’re on a winner! 50-50?

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BayviewGoldPosted on12:36 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:25

catch up 🙂

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Forres Dee (@ForresDee)Posted on12:36 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:25
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Forres Dee (@ForresDee) says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:09

“doesn’t really understand the minute details that we all pounce on very quickly, due to maybe being somewhere like BVI”?
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I was thinking about Dingwall’s computer not being set up right but the date information would be concerning the recipient. East coast US or Caribbean might fit with US stylee. 7.50 am receipt would mean lunch time UK if that were the case. BVI crossed my mind. Some ‘Geek’ with access to the Liberty Capital e:mail server?
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BVI was just an example, my point was more that we pick up on the minute details because we were left with very little scraps from the table initially. We are now being gorged on big chunks but we still nibble at the edges, time to take a step back and look at the whole meal.

I’ve changed my mind from earlier, CF is not CW, but does have access to email accounts with remarkable address similarity, if not his actual accounts.

Now how would she have them?

But I’m tired and not, unfortunately, on the US east coast, so time to rest and see what tomorrow brings.

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CastofThousandsPosted on12:40 am - May 24, 2013


Done a Google search on ‘Follow Truth Hackers’.

Third entry was this.

http://truththeory.com/tag/hackers/

Wild speculation of course but highly entertaining.

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BayviewGoldPosted on12:42 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:40

Stranger things have happened – you could be onto something.

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CastofThousandsPosted on12:46 am - May 24, 2013


Can any of the Twitteratti out there see if TSFM shows up on @YourAnonNews

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Caveat EmptorPosted on12:52 am - May 24, 2013


Listened to Imran Ahmed’s telephone call with Malcolm Murray, read Charlotte’s e-mail purporting to be from (Sheikh) IA to Aidan Earley. I have no difficulty in believing they are both the same guy. The same condescending, juvenile bullying tone apparent throughout, the attempt to convey to the listener (recipient) that he is well prepared, has all the answers, is an all round smart arse, and you had better watch out, sonny boy!
Someone opined here recently that we have all met these clowns, MBA and a sharp suit, personal agenda and a seriously out of whack moral compass. Haven’t whacked one in the mouth yet but have been close.
Also, allow the bold Charlie boy! Greek hitmen! Doncha miss him?

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BayviewGoldPosted on1:07 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 00:46

not that I can see, but I have my twitter L-plates 🙂

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Rabo KarabekianPosted on1:14 am - May 24, 2013


Mullach,

Watching with interest and bemusement over the Charlotte thing. I think you are getting warm. Actually, CtH’s avatar is “Seek Truth” which is also Gary McKinnon’s tag.

If the Dingwall email is legit, then CtH must either be libertycapital.biz or a hacker, or …..

According to the Herald,

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/whyte-mischief.16838440

CW registered libertycapital.biz at a Miami address in 2006. The whois record confirms this, but it appears there has been a recent lapse or transfer of the domain which is now held by a proxy service in Arizona.

Now if Craigie has allowed the domain to lapse, and register it elsewhere, he could claim that someone had squatted on the domain subsequently and had waited for mails to come into the domain from associates of CW who weren’t aware the domain had lapsed, to gain access to information. Or someone could have actually done this for real.

It would certainly explain the GM Suck email.

For added conspiratorial effect, the domain libertycapital.co.uk has been web-forwarded to celticfc.net !!

If this was a novel, publishers would laugh you out of business I suspect 🙂

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bogsdolloxPosted on1:24 am - May 24, 2013


Hehe – I put this bit of Imrans email reply to Aidan into Spivolator for translation:

“I’m happy to meet you next Monday when I’m in London to discuss a deliverable outcome”

It came out:

“yes, yes we all know you got stiffed and even though I have strenuously denied it all in a lengthy email (which BTW took me ages to type on my tiny iphone keyboard) we need to come to some arrangement but FFS!! enough already of all this recording and putting it in writing stuff.

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CastofThousandsPosted on1:25 am - May 24, 2013


Rabo Karabekian says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 01:14
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Rabo. Happy my speculation is providing entertainment at the very least. I don’t recognise your ‘GM Suck’ reference. Can you elaborate please.

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Rabo KarabekianPosted on1:30 am - May 24, 2013


Mullach

Grandmaster Suck is Dingwall’s handle on FF 🙂

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CastofThousandsPosted on1:34 am - May 24, 2013


Do you have a basement Rabo?

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Rabo KarabekianPosted on1:47 am - May 24, 2013


Mullach

Yes, full of Sateen Dura-Luxe 🙂

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bogsdolloxPosted on1:48 am - May 24, 2013


Rabo Karabekian says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 01:30

Mullach

Grandmaster Suck is Dingwall’s handle on FF 🙂
=++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And to be fair it is best if CW doesn’t “meet” him or the Geeks for that matter.

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Humble PiePosted on2:39 am - May 24, 2013


Charlotte’s web just gets curiouser and curiouser.

Like the quivering tail of a rattlesnake, tantalising, hypnotising, mesmerising, captivating, putting you under, binding a spell, overpowering your senses, drawing your attention from the head of the snake.

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bogsdolloxPosted on2:49 am - May 24, 2013


Humble Pie says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 02:39
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Like taking us BACK in time when the focus should be now?

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Exiled Celt (@The_Exiled_Celt)Posted on3:10 am - May 24, 2013


On the time stamp in the email – this is taken from your PC settings – I can set it as any time zone and the email will be updated accordingly. I can also set as US or English or Thai date settings. My company I work for has offices in USA, UK, Spain, India and Thailand – all emails get time stamped in the date and time for the time zone the PC is set up for, the language and also format.

If I wanted to set my PC to US Pacific Time I could so and still be sitting in Japan – it does not prove anything…

Unless it was not reset to throw you off of course, in which case he is US based….

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Exiled Celt (@The_Exiled_Celt)Posted on4:22 am - May 24, 2013


From the official Sevco FC site:

CHAMPIONSHIP-winning Ally McCoist has been named as the SFL Third Division Manager of the Year this evening. :rubeyes: :chuffed:
The Light Blues boss led his team to the title in the club’s first ever season outside the top flight by a convincing margin of 24 points from second-place Peterhead.
And although he was widely expected to deliver the silverware with comfort, he has still been chosen as the best coach in the bottom tier.
McCoist’s award was presented tonight at the Irn-Bru SFL End of Season Awards at the Old Fruitmarket in Glasgow’s Merchant City.
The 50-year-old is currently in America as he prepares to take part in a white-water rafting challenge on behalf of the Rangers Charity Foundation.
That starts this Sunday and you can sponsor the manager as he bids to raise £10,000 by clicking HERE now.
With McCoist out of the country, Director of Youth Development Jim Sinclair was present to collect the prize on his behalf.
Head of Football Administration Andrew Dickson and Director Ian Hart were there too with Director of Marketing Irene Munro and Academy Operations Manager Craig Mulholland.

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Ally is in USA and emails coming from Charlotte appear to come from USA – surely…….could it be………is Ally really the guy on the inside making sure the Peepil are kept informed. Would explain why he has not been able to practice set pieces on the training ground since he has all these docs to peruse……makes as much sense to me as anything else LOL 🙂

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twopandaPosted on4:27 am - May 24, 2013


As I remember it LH simply asked if a procedural checklist had been undertaken re CoI – and awaited report. If they did well and good – and if the checklist was adequate and properly considered then fine – we can all look forward to LH releasing the joint admins as Court appointed Officers.

Not the impression put forward by the MSM today – Or potential from sevco5088 and all that.

If PR came with a horoscope, crossword, cookery and a TV guide – perhaps we would buy that instead?

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Danish PastryPosted on5:23 am - May 24, 2013


I make that a flurry of 13 tweets from CF in the past 9 hours (my time). Charlotte could release these short bursts of info as part of a Kindle e-book and make a few quid, although no one would know if it is under fiction or non-fiction yet …

Those of you unaccustomed to twitter, there’s more to read than the actual single tweets. If you click each tweet it will show it in the context of a set of response tweets from others. I noticed Mr C Graham and Mr Dingwall get mentions in the latest twitter conversations with CF.

CF is claiming ‘cutting and pasting details’ to cover tracks. I thought this quite an intriguing chat:

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@esta_x
@CharlotteFakes so where is the emails between Earley & Whyte over Banstead money?

@CharlotteFakes
@esta_x I’ve attempted to pass that direct to those acting on behalf of the Liquidators. Still waiting on a whistleblowers response.

@MaxBGold1
@CharlotteFakes @esta_x What do you mean by attempted? Did you or not pass on the information you claim to hold?

And then these two with image links to four people. Who are they?

@CharlotteFakes
@esta_x Perhaps these 2 could help you? i.imgur.com/Xyi1UGX.jpg #AskAidan #AskWulstan

@CharlotteFakes
@esta_x These 2 should also prove useful. i.imgur.com/7jKHcLD.jpg #AskAnthony #AskPeter #AskWorthington2011Board #RunToTheHills

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upthehoopsPosted on6:19 am - May 24, 2013


broadswordcallingdannybhoy says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 21:57
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I respect your views but as a Celtic fan I don’t share the notion of losing interest in a cup when my team is knocked out. I thoroughly enjoyed the league cup final this season when St Mirren beat Hearts, which was one of the best games of the season in my opinion. Also, who could fail to be interested in the sense of occasion last season when we had an all Edinburgh final?

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on6:23 am - May 24, 2013


Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 4h

Hay and McKerron showing contempt for Scottish MSM Sports Hacks. http://www.scribd.com/doc/143333350/Client-Care

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on6:26 am - May 24, 2013


Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 4h

Hay and McKerron showing contempt for Scottish MSM Sports Hacks. http://www.scribd.com/doc/143333350/Client-Care

Esta ☆☆☆☆☆ Esta ☆☆☆☆☆ ‏@esta_x 4h

@CharlotteFakes so where is the emails between Earley & Whyte over Banstead money?

Charlotte Fakeovers Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 3h

@esta_x Perhaps these 2 could help you? http://i.imgur.com/Xyi1UGX.jpg #AskAidan #AskWulstan

Charlotte Fakeovers Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 3h

@esta_x These 2 should also prove useful. http://i.imgur.com/7jKHcLD.jpg

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jonnyodPosted on7:10 am - May 24, 2013


Re Banstead
I notice one of their sponcers is called Regenesis and thought that name had been linked on here before ,does it ring a bell with anyone
Maybe I am wrong

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barcabhoyPosted on7:28 am - May 24, 2013


I hope we are now collectively coming to the realisation that Charlotte isn’t going to turn out to be Craig Whyte.

I’m very surprised anyone in the media , that’s you Tom English, even thought about that for a moment. Lets look at the evidence .

1 The media have already published video’s , recordings and emails from various parties involved in this drama

2 That clearly demonstrates a couple of things. Firstly the media had no issues over the heritage of the evidence . They either got these directly from Whyte/Green/Ahmad or confirmed with them it was genuine. Secondly it confirms that all of the above have no issue with using the media to fire bullets in their respective PR battles

3 Given points 1 and 2 If this was Whyte , then all he would need to do was what he did previously. He clearly has the media contacts and equqlly clearly has been prepared to use them previously.

The information is what’s key here. What’s also interesting is that Charlotte is attempting to provide information to BDO , as a whistleblower. Now that really should set alarm bells ringing for the bad guys.

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on7:35 am - May 24, 2013


http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/nialls-thoughts-on-why-duff-phelps-did-not-try-to-sell-rangers-players/

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Danish PastryPosted on8:12 am - May 24, 2013


jonnyod says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 07:10
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Re Banstead
I notice one of their sponcers is called Regenesis and thought that name had been linked on here before ,does it ring a bell with anyone
Maybe I am wrong
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Jonnyod,
Was it in reference to this article in the DR on 23 of Feb 2012 (by Gary Ralston btw)

“Records confirm Rangers paid £250,000 into an account in August in the name of Regenesis-Banstead Athletic FC.

Earley, 44, who was bankrupted at 22, and his brother Wulstan, 49, are involved with various firms operating under the Regenesis name, including shirt sponsor Regenesis-H.com.”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/banstead-athletic–rangers-an-exclusive-1117548

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broadswordcallingdannybhoyPosted on8:16 am - May 24, 2013


barcabhoy says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 07:28

The information is what’s key here. What’s also interesting is that Charlotte is attempting to provide information to BDO , as a whistleblower. Now that really should set alarm bells ringing for the bad guys.
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Maybe Charlotte is ensuring that the BDO investigation doesn’t go the same way as all the other investigations intro Rangers?

She knows the investigation will take years so she’s ensuring that the major players have a long time knowing that there will be no whitewash this time.

We all of course know that BDO would never whitewash any investigation.

If Carlsberg did whistleblowers….

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Forres Dee (@ForresDee)Posted on8:34 am - May 24, 2013


broadswordcallingdannybhoy says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 08:16

She knows the investigation will take years so she’s ensuring that the major players have a long time knowing that there will be no whitewash this time.

We all of course know that BDO would never whitewash any investigation.

========================================

Given previous shenanigans what gives you such confidence, lots of upstanding institutions have failed to act properly.

If anything, the longer it takes, the more chance that some obscure reason will be found to do nothing, or come to an outcome that we didn’t foresee.

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CastofThousandsPosted on8:40 am - May 24, 2013


Rabo Karabekian says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 01:47

Thanks Rabo.

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greenockjackPosted on9:03 am - May 24, 2013


Barca
You appear highly motivated to link individual posters with whoever is in the crosshairs of the Rangers community, much like another Jack.

In my view both of your recent contributions are bordering on trolling , and in your own way it seems to me that you are both on a deflect and distract mission.

The issues you are desperate to discuss are not the issues that are of any import to the future of football in Scotland.
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I see you offered the board an analysis of my output on TSFM yesterday.
Quick reply if I may. This will be my last word on the matter as I don´t want to further divert attention from other matters.
I would urge people to read this if they want but not to pursue a conversation on the matter.

– Is my posting a matter of import within Scottish football ?
I suggest you contact the moderator if you have a problem in the future.

– I have to laugh at the Jack connection, you wouldn´t believe how far off the mark you are with that one.

– Trolling can be a subjective term. I may be like a dog with a bone on certain issues but IMO they have relevance.
No-one is forced to reply.

– The format of the board (one all encompassing thread) means that there will often be differing conversation topic´s on-going.
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Moving onto your post today @ 07:28
Interesting to see it´s broadly on the issue I harked on about.

CW is without doubt the common denominator and given how recent some of the leaks are it is not IMO unreasonable to think that Whyte has some involvement, even if it is only providing Charlotte with the material. If he is not then that would suggest that Charlotte may be coming by the material in a dubious manner.

However I agree with you that Charlotte isn´t CW
I´ve laboured this point previously and won´t repeat it here.

Last night saw Charlotte make claims about a Rangers supporters spokesman (RSS) via a leak that showed e-mail correspondence between the e-mail address of CW and the RSS.
Shortly after, the same RSS published copies of the same e-mail on the FF website showing that Charlotte had edited the e-mail that she had received from the RSS.
Charlotte had removed “Dear Whoever” which gave the impression that the RSS was corresponding with CW. The RSS showed the original e-mail.
The RSS had used “Dear Whoever” because he was aware (in his role of admin. on FF) that someone using the CW e-mail address had attempted to register for an account on the 24th of April and at this point he was aware that someone had been e-mailing others using that account claiming to have hijacked Whyte´s e-mail.

The FF link for those who can access it.
http://forum.followfollow.com/showthread.php?t=957670

This is a blow to the credibility of Charlotte´s material and the media will take note.
That´s not to say that the documentation is authentic, I believe it is.

With CW you could never believe a word he said and he needed taped conversations for people to take him seriously.
Whoever Charlotte is, she has scored an OG and to do so whilst targetting a Rangers supporter seems beyond careless.

Has she sent material to BDO ?
Is she about to ramp up the stakes with hotter material ?

Over to Charlotte but I won´t be holding my breath.
That is coming from an angle that would like to see the likes of Green and Ahmad behind bars.

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100bjdPosted on9:04 am - May 24, 2013


ecobhoy says:

Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 00:43

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chipm0nk says:
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 23:12

John Paul Fraser, as detailed above is the registrant for

http://www.otterhouseireland.com as well as holmedownstud.com as in Charles Green <cgreen@holmedownstud.com

Is Charles Green <cgreen@holmedownstud.com a real email address, or a fabrication as in c.monk@giruy.com. Or is it a real one, in which case, what is holmedownstud.com and how is Charles Green linked to it.

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Eco………A John Paul Fraser…….Newcastle……..Horses in Devon…….Charles Green…..Lots of wealth…..Last deal (floundered I think) in nearby Plymouth……….Am I on your drift? Is this the guy whose name is interesting for you..and his ability to beat an AIM lockin!

One of my old posts below

An excellent example was the Chic inspired Panceltica which bombed big time. However the major winners were Chic’s man Paul Fraser who was paid $12m dividend cash on floatation and then sold his 14% share, despite a lock in, because of a life threatening disease. Thankfully Paul recovered his health and he is now an exceedingly rich man unlike all the other normal punters who lost everything. These boys know how to play the game…..its their game!

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CastofThousandsPosted on9:05 am - May 24, 2013


jonnyod says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 07:10

“Re Banstead. I notice one of their sponcers is called Regenesis…”
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It is a ‘known’ corporate character. I tried ‘newtz’ corporate map but it wouldn’t open up fully. He may have logged them but I’m not quite sure.

Newtz, could you make sure Regenisis and Banstead are included in your composition.

Interesting name. Its like a combination of regenerate and genesis. Literally ‘start again from the beginning’.

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CastofThousandsPosted on9:11 am - May 24, 2013


barcabhoy says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 07:28

“Charlotte is attempting to provide information to BDO , as a whistleblower. Now that really should set alarm bells ringing for the bad guys”
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I agree with your points 1, 2 & 3.

I think the good guys need to be concerned as well. I’d have thought BDO would have bit Charlotte’s hand off for the inside track. How much easier would that make their investigative work. Yet she is having to seek out a whistleblower, a renegade. There is no telling just how far the cancer has spread.

Its getting to the stage that it would be easier to compile a list of who has not been tainted.

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on9:12 am - May 24, 2013


Apologies if posted before:

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/02/15/exclusive-rangers-mystery-deepens-over-whyte-links-to-former-jailbird-associate-150201/

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bluPosted on9:13 am - May 24, 2013


slimshady61 says:
Thursday, May 23, 2013 at 23:35
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slimshady, it’s a conspiracy I tell you, a fix by the SFA – every team that’s played Hibs in a Scottish Cup final since 1902 has beaten them. I’d wager that Hibs have worn their traditional strip every time. I’d like to see the underdogs win but can’t see past the Hoopless team from the East End of Glasgow.

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zerotolerance1903Posted on9:14 am - May 24, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:

Friday, May 24, 2013 at 09:12

Apologies if posted before:

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/02/15/exclusive-rangers-mystery-deepens-over-whyte-links-to-former-jailbird-associate-150201/
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Golf with Tarby!

Are we linked to Operation Yewtree now?

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CastofThousandsPosted on9:24 am - May 24, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 06:23

Hay and McKerron showing contempt for Scottish MSM Sports Hacks. http://www.scribd.com/doc/143333350/Client-Care
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Nick Harris.

Not sure if he is as authentic as the document would have us believe. He certainly seems to be a cut above the rest of his colleagues however.

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broganrogantrevinoandhoganPosted on9:26 am - May 24, 2013


Sorry, been busy over the last couple of days. so just catching up.

Now who are the guys that Charlotte has posted passport photographs of?

Re domian names, e-mail addresses, locations and identities are concerned i’m afraid my initial thoughts turn to some well known and previously repeated words.

TINKER– TAILOR— SOLDIER— SPY— RICH MAN— POOR MAN—- BEGGAR MAN—- THIEF

It would appear that they are all in there– somewhere.

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Galling fiverPosted on9:31 am - May 24, 2013


Go on big PVH in the record, wee tax case guilt = true story, back page, at last.

But I have this nagging feeling we are being distracted from some other, possibly crucial current goings on. Are licenses not dealt with in May? What are they up to?

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Robert CoylePosted on9:31 am - May 24, 2013


100bjd says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 09:04

Panceltica
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Went chasing the john paul fraser the other night,did’nt come to much until you mentioned the above.

http://companycheck.co.uk/director/911097712/JOHN-PAUL-FRASER#dissolved-appointments

which lead to this guy,and 2 companies with the panceltica name,

http://companycheck.co.uk/director/904768052/MR-JOHN-COLIN-FITZPATRICK

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05981100/PANCELTICA-GLOBAL-LIMITED#people-tab

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC240102/PAN-CELTICA-LIMITED#people-tab

His main company seems to be this,note the other directors names,holmes.

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/04673353/SHARPERTON-DEVELOPMENTS-LIMITED#people-tab

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greenockjackPosted on9:31 am - May 24, 2013


BRTH
Mark Twain said that “Truth is stranger than Fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t”.

Le Carré would have struggled coming up with this.

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CastofThousandsPosted on9:34 am - May 24, 2013


greenockjack says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 09:03

Good morning Jack. You disappeared for a while yesterday.

[Mullach. Excessive sarcasm removed. Expected better from you – TSFM ]

As I said Jack, don’t underestimate your own capabilities. You seem to have heeded my advice. Your analytical faculties are valued by the TSFM community.

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scapaflow14Posted on9:51 am - May 24, 2013


Have decided not to renew my season ticket, until I see how this reconstruction pans out.

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tic6709Posted on10:00 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:

Friday, May 24, 2013 at 09:34
greenockjack says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 09:03

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Really not worthy of you Mullach.

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FIFAPosted on10:14 am - May 24, 2013


Mulach 09.24
re-GJACK do I detect some concern that readers dont seem to be getting on jacks bus and waiting on the next one instead ,some parts of his posts are almost pleading not just to read but to comment on while not containig any real substance to reply to,more he needs to get posters onside which is not happening ,better get a shinny new bus Jack ,maybe borrow one from a Greenock company.

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greenockjackPosted on10:20 am - May 24, 2013


yourhavingalaugh

What do you make of Charlotte editing (removing a line of text) an e-mail she leaked last night ?
For more detail see the post you refer to @ 09:03

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Rabo KarabekianPosted on10:23 am - May 24, 2013


Mullach,

Unless I have misread you, it would appear that you may not be in compliance TSFM’s respect campaign with regard to Jack. I am sure he can take it, and there are occasions when I wonder if he is merely trolling, but on Charlotte, I think he may have it right.

It seems increasingly likely that Charlotte is the magicians assistant on this bill. Nothing that Charlotte has said or done so far is earth-shattering, nor has any of it been verified.

E-documents are notoriously easy to fake and impossible to legitimise unless there is access to the original softcopy. Maybe TSFM’s caution was more prescience than anything else.

The whistle-blowing thing is also strange. Why peddle stuff around the media the blogosphere, then Twitter first? If Charlotte was a true whistle-blower, the IPA, courts and BDO would have been the first port of call with the material reserved for publication if unsatisfactory progress was made.

The real story is not Charlotte, whose web is becoming increasingly tangled and frayed. The real story at Rangers is one of survival in the midst of financial meltdown and continued overspending. Whilst Charlotte is the new page three girl on the blogosphere, the spivs are beavering away on page 36 working on the exit strategy which optimises their haul at the expense of a group of fans who, although naïve and too trusting, really never had any option other than that,

That, along with the serious crises surrounding Hearts and Dunfermline is the REALLY big story. Whilst the Hampden Neros fiddle and the MSM bangs the big drum, Charlie and the boys are revving up the getaway car.

Tickety boo right enough

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broadswordcallingdannybhoyPosted on10:25 am - May 24, 2013


Forres Dee (@ForresDee) says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 08:34

Given previous shenanigans what gives you such confidence, lots of upstanding institutions have failed to act properly.
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Totally agree with you – I was being ironic.

If She is making the info public in such a way that the criminals twist in the wind for a few years, and in such a way that BDO cannot do a Nimmo Smith, then I think she’s the most beautiful woman in the world.

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Rabo KarabekianPosted on10:47 am - May 24, 2013


greenockjack says:

Friday, May 24, 2013 at 10:20
What do you make of Charlotte editing (removing a line of text) an e-mail she leaked last night ?
For more detail see the post you refer to @ 09:03
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Why would you assume that Dingwall’s version of the mail is any truer than Charlotte’s? Kettle and pot perhaps?

If Dingwall had been caught out here, you would expect him to come up with something like that, but his denial is no more proof that the email was doctored than the original is of his collusion with Whyte.

Unless Charlotte is really very technically illiterate, I suspect that the real significance in the publication of that mail is the hint she deliberately drops over how she gets the info.

She did say that Dingwall had contacted “ME”. It seems then that ctw@libertycapital.biz IS Charlotte. Tie that up with the information I posted early this morning on the history of that domain and so Charlotte is either Craig Whyte (uniikely) or a hacker.

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CastofThousandsPosted on10:48 am - May 24, 2013


mullach says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 09:34
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I must apologise TSFM and greenockjack. Sometimes I get a bit carried away with myself.
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Rabo Karabekian says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 10:23

“That, along with the serious crises surrounding Hearts and Dunfermline is the REALLY big story. Whilst the Hampden Neros fiddle and the MSM bangs the big drum, Charlie and the boys are revving up the getaway car”.
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I’ll try and keep my focus on the real events Rabo.

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briggsbhoyPosted on10:49 am - May 24, 2013


Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
Friday, May 24, 2013 at 09:26

Apart from wondering who these guys were I was thinking mainly why would you have possession of someone’s passport photograph and why or who would have needed to have a possessed a copy for their records ?

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