A Blog by James Forrest for TSFM
I am a socialist, and as a socialist I believe in the fundamental goodness of people. Some people find that hard to believe when they read the stuff I write.
I published my first novel recently, on politics and the corrupting nature of it, and it is a deeply cynical book, a book where no-one has clean hands come the end. What has surprised some of those who’ve read it is that I didn’t focus on the lies and smears of the right, but the hypocrisy and deceit of those who claim to be of the left.
Corruption, you see, doesn’t respect political boundaries or points of view. It’s like rainwater. It finds every crack, and gets in there.
My political beliefs revolve around two apparently paradoxical elements; the belief in the inherent decency of people and the need for a strong, and powerful, state. I believe the second underpins the first, and this brings me into conflict with a lot of people, some on the left and some on the right. Too many people see the state as inherently evil, as something that interferes too much in the lives of ordinary people. As something suffocating.
Yet the state exists to protect us. It exists to provide a safety net. It exists to regulate and to oversee. If the state is made up of bad people, if the gears of society are captured by those with malicious or selfish intent, the results are obvious; war, corruption, chaos.
The vast majority of our problems in the modern age can be neatly summed up in two lines from Yeats’ poem “The Second Coming”, which I used to open my novel. “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”
We live in a time when those who are protecting their own interests have assumed such power that they’ve cowed the rest of us. They have become a law unto themselves. They have changed the nature of the game, because they have sapped our will to the extent some barely put up a fight anymore. The weak get weaker, and the strong use their strength to crush the rest even more. It is a vicious struggle, a downward spiral.
Society is held together not only by the endeavour and common interests of its citizens but by a collection of laws. We elect the people who make those laws. They do so in our name, and we can remove that right every four years. That is a powerful thing, and we do not appreciate it enough. The present corruption exists because we allow it to exist.
The people around me continue to puzzle over my uncommon interest in the affairs of a football club on the west of Glasgow. My own club plays in the east end. I tell those who ask that my primary interest in the goings-on at the club calling itself Rangers is no longer about football; how could it be, after all? With promotion this year they are still a full two divisions below us, emasculated, skint, weak and unstable. If we were fortunate enough to draw them in cup competition the match would be over, as a tie, by the halfway point … in the first half.
In footballing terms they are an utter irrelevance.
Rangers is more than a football club to me. They are a symbol. Their unfolding calamity is an on-going outrage. What is happening there, what is being allowed to happen, is an offense to decency. It is a stain on the face of our country.
In short, it is a scandal. It is a scandal without parallel in sport.
Yet it’s not just a sports story either. If it was, I might not be so focussed on it. What is happening at Rangers is a colossal failure of governance. It is a damning indictment against the very people who are supposed to oversee our game. It is a disgraceful abrogation of responsibility from those at the top, those who claim to be “running things.”
If this is not a failure of governance it is a result of corruption at the heart of our national sport. It says they are bought and paid for, and I will say no such thing here.
So let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. We’ll say instead that what they are is weak, indecisive, inept and disconnected from reality.
It reminds me of our political class, which has become insular and ignorant about what the public wants, and what it needs. It’s not a wonder parties like UKIP can achieve national vote shares of 25% at local elections. Nigel Farage strikes me as a dog-whistle politician, the kind who knows how to appeal to a select group of voters. He is little different to Charles Green, the man who beguiled Rangers fans into handing over large amounts of money, because he was “standing up for the club.” It is easy to do what he did, easy to do what Farage is doing.
Real leadership requires toughness. Say what you like about the Tories, but they have that in spades. Yeats was right about the worst being full of passionate intensity. Green was. Farage is. Cameron and Osborne personify it in their political outlook.
It is easy to be cowed by blunt force politics, and by “tough talking Yorkshire men” and venomous speeches about “strivers and skivers.” The politics of divide and conquer is the oldest form of politics there is, and it’s no surprise to see it practiced by some of the vested interests in the game here in Scotland. Yet, lest we forget … something significant happened last year. The maligned and the ignored, the weak and the voiceless found something they never realised they had. They discovered that, in a very real sense, the power was in their hands.
Last year, the fans rose up when the governing bodies and the media went all-out to save Rangers from the self-inflicted wounds caused by a decade of cheating, malpractice and ineptitude. I have no problem calling that what it was.
What happened at Rangers seemed incredible, but it was all too predictable, and some of us had been talking about it for years before it hit. The Association seemed caught in the headlights but it would amaze me if they really were as insular and ignorant as they appeared. They must have known how bad the outlook was for Rangers. They just chose to ignore it.
They were aided and abetted by a thoroughly disreputable media, a collection of cowards and compromisers, charlatans and frauds, masquerading as journalists, but who long ago laid aside any claim to be bold investigators and settled for commenting on events as they unfolded. More often than not, with their ill-informed opinions, sometimes due to weaknesses in intellect and others wilfully ignorant, they failed even in that.
Entire newspapers became PR machines for crooks and swindlers. They aided in the scam because they didn’t do their jobs, some because they were lazy, some because they were incompetent and others because they wanted a seat at the table and were willing to sacrifice whatever integrity they once had in exchange for one.
That all of this was embraced by the Rangers fans is amazing to me. They trusted when they should have been asking questions. They closed their eyes, covered their ears and sang their battle tunes at the top of their voices so they wouldn’t have to hear anything they didn’t like. As incredible as I found it then, and still find it now – and now, even more so, when they have already seen the results of it once – I find it pathetic too, and I do feel pity for some of them.
A lot of these people are genuine football fans, and nothing more. They have no interest in the phony narrow nationalism, or the over-blown religion, or the notion of supremacy which manifested itself in a ludicrous statement from McCoist when interviewed recently on Sky.
Some of the Rangers fans look at their team of duds, kids and journeymen, they look at a boardroom of cowards and crooks, they look at a failing manager in his first (and last) job in the game and at a dark future and are not in the least bit impressed by, or interested in, the chest-out arrogance espoused in those ridiculous words “we are the people.” They know full well that their present crisis was made by men like McCoist, and they understand that pretentious posturing is not an act born of strength, but a scrambling around in the gutter, and a symptom of weakness.
They understand their position, and they hate it. And because they care about Rangers, because they value the club, because they cherish those things that made it a great Scottish institution, they want that back. They understand that before the Union Jack waving, Sash singing, poppy wearing, Nazi saluting, Orange element became the public face of their support Rangers meant something else, and that, above all things, is what pains them the most.
People do not hate Rangers. When the country appeared to turn its back last year, they were turning the back on favouritism and the bending of rules. Yet it would be a lie to say that there is not an element of dislike in the gleeful mockery of many rival fans.
But they don’t hate Rangers either. They hate the version of it around which a certain section of the support continues to dance. They hate the version which hates, and so too do many, many, many Rangers supporters, and they definitely deserve better.
David Murray chose not to openly challenge that version. Indeed, he encouraged certain strands of it to flourish and grow, with his “Britishness Days” and his effort to turn the club into the “team that supports the troops.” Other clubs have done as much, if not more, for the British Army than the one that plays out of Ibrox. Other clubs have given more money. Other clubs have lent their support to those on the front lines. They just chose to do it with respect, and with class, and with dignity. They chose to do it in private, understanding that there eventually comes a tipping point between looking after the ends of the soldiers and using them to promote your own.
The army has not battened on to Rangers. Rangers has battened on to them, and although it is unclear when an altruistic motive became darker, what started out as a gesture of solidarity is now used to entrench division and promote a notion of superiority.
Craig Whyte took over from Murray and immediately understood the lure of the “dog whistle.” He knew too that the media would accept whatever he told them, without question, and as he spoke up for “Rangers traditions” he made sure the lunatic fringe was well onside. He met face to face with the hard-core extremists in the support first and made them his praetorian guard. They spoke up for him until the day the club entered administration.
So, whereas Murray pandered to them and Whyte used them to further his own ends, it was only a matter of time before someone suggested to Charles Green that he could use the same tactics to win over the support. He went even further and blatantly promoted and encouraged this mind-set, and stoked the hate and nonsense to frightening new heights. The same people who cheered Whyte to the rafters jumped on board the Big Blue Bus and the results are clear.
Through all of it, the ordinary Rangers fan has seen his club buffered against the rocks, battered, broken, smashed to smithereens and sunk. Now there’s a big hole in the side of the lifeboat, and they are terrified that further tragedies await.
They are right to be concerned. Much of the media is still not telling them what they need to know. The people in charge of their club – the owners who have lied, the former hack who covered up the truth about Whyte and now acts as a mouthpiece for Green, the “club legends” who are content to sup with the devil and take his greasy coin when they should be standing toe-to-toe with the fans – are trying to silence those members of the press who do have facts to present.
How many times now have media outlets been banned from Ibrox for daring to report the truth? The manager who demanded the names of a committee last year defends those inside the walls who are desperate to keep secret the things that are going on. He is either an unprincipled coward, or he is, himself, bought and paid for. The fans suffer for it.
The “inconvenient truth” is still being kept from them, and this denies them any chance to play an active role in their club. Indeed, it is all too possible that they’ve passed a point of no return, and that their club is heading for a new liquidation event and it can no longer be stopped.
In either case, their power has been eroded to the point at which they must feel they have nothing left to do but stand back and watch what happens next.
They are wrong. I am a socialist. I believe in the inherent good of people. I think the ordinary decent Rangers fans are the only people left who can save their club … and the means by which they will do it is as simple as it could be.
They must stand up for “big government.” They must embrace the need for a “strong state.” They must lobby the SFA, and they must trust the SFA and they must get the SFA to follow its own rules and thereby save them from any further harm.
There is a tendency amongst some Celtic fans to see our governing bodies as pro-Rangers. If it is true then those running our game are ruining Scottish football without benefiting the thing they love more. The incalculable harm that has been done to Rangers in the last 20 some months is a direct result of the subservient media and the willingness of the football authorities to be “deaf, dumb and blind.” Those who believe this has actually helped the Ibrox club have not been paying attention in class. It has irrevocably scarred them, and it may yet have played a hand in destroying them once and for all, as a force if not as a club entirely.
For years, the SFA sat and did nothing as a club in their association operated a sectarian signing policy. They did nothing whilst the fans sang sectarian songs. In their failure to act they strengthened those elements of the Rangers support, instead of isolating, alienating and eventually helping to eliminate those who saw that club as a totem pole of division and hate. Their failure over EBT’s, and their lack of scrutiny, led to one of the greatest scandals in the history of sport, and I say that with no equivocation at all. The testimony of their registrations officer in the Lord Nimmo Smith investigation was a disgrace and in years to come it will rank as one of the most disreputable and damaging moments in the association’s history.
The most egregious failures of all were the failures in the so-called “fit and proper person” tests, which allowed first Whyte and then Charles Green to assume controlling positions at Ibrox. They will pass the buck and say the responsibility lies with the club itself, in much the same way as they are content to let the club investigate itself at the present time, but any neutral who looks at this stance knows it is unprincipled and spineless. It’s like letting the defence set the terms at a trial. It is foxes investigating the chicken coop.
It is a blueprint for corruption, and a recipe for disaster.
It is now too late for the SFA to declare Green “unfit”, as it was too late when they finally slapped that title on Craig Whyte. He and his allies own Rangers, and they control its destiny. They can push the club to the wall if they choose, in the final extremity, if that gets them what they want. The time for changing that is past. The damage has already been done. The barbarians are not at the gates. They are inside the walls, and sacking the city.
The SFA will be forced to punish Rangers for the sins of the owners, for the second time in as many years, and whilst it is right that the club face up to that, all the better to send a message to other clubs and other owners, the SFA cannot be allowed to slither off the hook here as though this was none of their doing. Green will skip off into the sunset. Craig Whyte has yet to pay his fine. These people never cared about Scottish football and they don’t care now.
The SFA are supposed to. Our governing body is supposed to govern, for the good of the whole game, and not as a support system for a single club. What they have allowed to happen on their watch is absolutely shameful and if the people responsible were men at all, with any sense of accountability, they would resign en masse.
They can pretend ignorance, but only the truly ignorant would accept that. Craig Whyte was not inside Ibrox a week before RTC and other sites were dismantling his entire business history, with some of the people here doing the work the SFA would not. Whyte himself claims to have made the governing bodies aware of the scale of what was facing the club, and they did nothing at all. Heads should have rolled a year ago.
In October of last year, on this very site, I posted an article in which I wrote:
“Which isn’t to say the due diligence matter isn’t worrying, because, of course, it is. Again, no-one is going to convince me that the SFA has conducted proper due diligence on Charles Green and his backers. No-one will convince me they are satisfied that this club is in safe hands, and that the game in this country will not be rocked by a further implosion at Ibrox. They failed to properly investigate Craig Whyte, because of lax regulations requiring disclosure from the club itself, regulations which are just a joke, but they can be forgiven for that as the press was talking sheer nonsense about him having billions at his disposal, and a lot of people (but not everyone!) were either convinced or wanted to be convinced by him.
To have witnessed what Whyte did, to have witnessed the Duff & Phelps “process” of finding a buyer, and having Green essentially emerge from nowhere, with a hundred unanswered questions as to his background and financing, for the SFA to have given this guy the go ahead, only for it to blow up in their faces later, would annihilate the credibility of the governing body and necessitate resignations at every level. There would be no hiding place.”
There are times when it is fun to be right, but this is not one of them. It is dispiriting and disquieting to have been so on the nose. It scares the Hell out of me, as someone who loves football in this country, to have seen this matter clearly when the people running our game apparently either did not or chose to ignore very real, very obvious, concerns. The Internet Bampots had no special insight or access to information that was denied those at the SFA. We just weren’t prepared to ignore it and pretend that it wasn’t there. There was too much at stake.
I have become convinced that things will never change until the Rangers supporters join us in demanding the full and unabridged truth here. They need to come out from under the bed, and confront their fears. They need to be willing to take the consequences, so that their club can emerge clean from this, and start again, with all this behind them.
And it can all happen with one simple thing. The application of the rules.
The existence of laws comes down to a simple principle; they protect society from those elements within it who are interested only in their own selfish ends. We may cry out at those rules and regulations we see as “restrictive”, but the law was not made to restrict our freedoms but to protect them. Had the SFA years ago acted against Rangers sectarian signing policy, and the songs from the stands, the club would not have mutated to the point where there was no help on hand when they needed it the most. Let’s not kid ourselves about this; Whyte and Green were only able to grab control because the club itself has a dreadful image which put off respectable and responsible buyers. The SFA could have helped change that perception years ago and did nothing.
The SFA could have conducted its own investigation into who Craig Whyte was. They could have asked David Murray for full disclosure when he was running up £80 million of debt, a sum of money that is beyond belief for a single club in a small provincial backwater league. Had they had the guts to do that the club would never have spent itself into oblivion and forced the hand of Lloyds, which led indirectly to their ignominious end.
The SFA could have fully investigated Charles Green and the means by which he took control, instead of rushing through a license. His emergence at the last minute was transparently suspicious and designed to force them into a quick decision, but they did not have to bow to that pressure by making one, without being in possession of the facts, as it is now 100% clear they were not.
Had they asked for every document, had they insisted on legal affidavits and personal securities from investors (and this would have been perfectly legitimate and is common place in other licensing areas) none of this would have come to pass. After Craig Whyte they had a moral responsibility to the rest of the game to get this one right and their failure is without parallel in the history of Scottish football.
As the club hurtles towards a new abyss, names are cropping up which should send a shudder down the spines of every honest, genuine supporter of not only Rangers but every team in the land. The SFA claims that a strong Rangers is essential for the sake of Scottish football, but they have been extraordinarily lax in protecting that club, and therefore the game, from destructive elements. Craig Whyte and Charles Green had dubious personal histories, and the acquisition of the club itself was mired in controversy and scandal. Yet it was allowed.
Neither Green nor Whyte were known to have operated outside the law, yet neither was worthy of trust or stood up to scrutiny. Neither man should ever have been granted the status as fit and proper persons to assume a role in our national sport, and if it is true of them what can we say about the three men who are, presently, being touted as the Great White Hopes for a bright, new Rangers future; Dave King and the Easdale brothers?
King recently cut a deal with the South African government over an on-going dispute over taxes. In other words, he pled guilty and accepted the central plank of their argument; that for years he was engaged in wilfully with-holding vast revenues from their Treasury. The media does not like to put it like that, and the SFA seems willing to ignore it utterly, and this would be scandalous enough. But it does not stop there. HRMC rules – as well as the SFA’s own governance documents – actually bar him from serving on the board of the new club.
Last but not least, aside from being an admitted tax cheat, King is also awaiting trial in South Africa, having been indicted for corruption, forgery and fraud – 300 charges in total. Yet as recently as last week, we were told that the Association was willing to look at him and consider representations from his lawyers. This is almost beyond belief.
If Dave King’s position is untenable, and he is yet to be convicted of a crime, what can we say about the position of the Easdale’s? One of the two brothers, Sandy, has already served jail time. He is a convicted criminal, a fraudster nonetheless, who’s “victim” was the same Treasury who are appealing one case involving the old club and liquidated it entirely over another. This is precisely the kind of “businessman” the fit and proper person test was supposed to weed out, and if the SFA holds its nose here the reek will stink out the halls at Hampden for decades. If King or the Easdale’s are judged fit and proper, then who exactly is the test for? What exactly do you have to do to fail it? How do we explain the existence of laws, when these are not applied?
Pascal says “Law without force is impotent.” The SFA’s weakness has allowed one version of Rangers to destroy itself, and has allowed an existential risk to another. If the next power at Rangers resides in South Africa or Greenock I can say with some certainty that the Association is engaged in an even more dangerous roll of the dice, because the surfacing of fresh scandal will be an ever present risk, and will be of the sort no-one will survive.
The damage to Scottish football will take years to heal. The Scottish game has been through enough trauma. It does not need more. It barely survived the last calamity to hit Rangers. The rest of us should not be forced to pay the price of the next one.
The greater damage will be done to Rangers itself. If the Green crisis ends in another collapse – as it well might; another administration event is a certainty, and another liquidation is a much more likely prospect than it was before 14 February 2012 – the club will once again have to start from the bottom, and this time the reputational damage will be impossible to repair. The club faces internal strife, sporting sanctions, and criminal investigations. The last takeover might be declared a fraud. the Whyte takeover will almost certainly be. The share issue might be invalid, as well as criminal, and the people involved may well end up in jail. Lawsuits could follow from investors, there could be as yet unknown consequences from the Upper Tier Tax Tribunal (thank you Brogan Rogan for pointing out what those might be) and a host of other issues.
Rangers fans must be the loudest voices here. How do you want the world to view your club in years to come? Do you want one to be proud of, or one forever associated with the shame and disgrace of these days gone by? The one which bailed out on its tax obligations. The one with supporters who disgrace your very name. The one which allowed Whyte and Green to take you to the cleaners and send you to the wall. The one which handed over control to one convicted criminal and another awaiting trial. Do you want to be reborn clean, or mired in the muck?
David Murray destroyed your financial stability. He made it so no bank would issue you a line of credit and no investor of note wanted to buy. Craig Whyte liquidated you. Charles Green has cast the future of the Newco into doubt and acted in a manner which has annihilated your credibility with the financial markets for decades to come.
Between these three men, they have taken everything from you, and the press and the people who run the game here, as well as some of your own blindly ignorant fans, have allowed them to do all this and more. Now they conspire to hand the keys to Ibrox to other men of questionable character, who will wreck further havoc on the reputation of the club.
The Scottish Football Association has damaged the game it was supposed to protect, but above all else their greatest failure of governance was a failure to protect one of its biggest clubs from its own excesses and those of its owners.
Rangers fans, the SFA have betrayed your trust, more than the trust of any other club. What you must insist on now is full disclosure and transparency from the powers that be in Hampden. The SFA has to end the charade of allowing your club to handle this in-house. They must hand everything over to an outside agency – whether a legal one, or a footballing body like UEFA – and they must demand co-operation and answers, and threaten to withhold the license if they don’t get them.
You must not be afraid of that. You must embrace it. The men with their hands on the gears at Ibrox are motivated by money, and nothing more. If the license is withdrawn their “investments” are worthless. They cannot risk that.
You must demand that the rules on fit and proper persons are applied, and where necessary even made stronger, to prevent your club falling into unclean hands. You must demand that they protect your reputation from further damage, by getting this all out there and acting accordingly, even if that means your club does not play football for at least a year.
You must be willing to suck it all up, knowing that what will emerge is a Rangers which has been cleansed and moves forward with honour, and dignity, led by custodians who treasure it rather than those who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
The Rangers Standard has recently emerged as a genuine voice for those in your support who are sick and tired of what Rangers has become, and want it restored to something that is worthy of the love and respect in which you hold it. On that website, there are discussions about the kind of club you seek to be and about whether the institution of Rangers is about more than just football.
If that’s how you feel about it then you know it is about more than how many titles the club can claim, about more than just results on the park, about more than just the game. Rangers, like Celtic, is an idea. It has to be something you are proud of.
I am a socialist, but one with a fevered imagination and a tendency to write very dark things. This piece won’t have been good reading for some of you (perhaps all of you haha!) but I think there’s more hope in here than in other things I’ve written.
In spite of everything that’s come to pass, I still believe. I believe in Scottish football. I believe in our system of football governance, even if those who are working in it are failing on some level.
In society, as much as we strain against them, laws exist for our protection. To fail to enforce them is to leave us at the mercy of those elements who would do us harm. The rules of football ensure the protection of all clubs, not just a few.
The failure to enforce the rules has never had graver consequences than here in Scotland. The irony is that bending and breaking them has hurt the one club those violations were designed to help. It cannot be allowed to happen again.
The rules must be applied without fear or favour.
The best must find their conviction, and their passionate intensity once more.
James is a co-editor of the On Fields of Green Blog http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/
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Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 2m
Gross intimidation and leaks when it suits. (1/2) 1 http://i.imgur.com/SjSgKqH.jpg and 2 http://i.imgur.com/RvlCZkl.jpg 3 http://i.imgur.com/brSGrkY.jpg
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 1m
Gross intimidation (2/2) 3 http://i.imgur.com/brSGrkY.jpg 4 http://i.imgur.com/xd1l811.jpg 5 http://i.imgur.com/iKVmGhI.jpg 6 http://i.imgur.com/qr84uCt.jpg
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resin_lab_dog says:
June 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm
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Forget …… If
In light of latest Charlotte posts ……. it’s a MUST …. !
and we can all guess the photographer ………..
This imformation has taken us to a new unprecedented level ……….
We MUST demand answers …… remember …… We are Spartacus …. !
SFA silence is interesting.
The CF material raises all sorts of ‘interview’ style questions that could be asked of the SFA without reference to CF materials.
1. The 5 way agreement?
2. Any guarantees given to RFC during the administration process
3. Any meetings between CW,CG and SFA personnel prior to and following the administration.
4. The process by which RFC was granted its Eufa licence.
5. The registration procedures followed by Sevco during the start of 2012 season.
6. What proof of newco shareholder IDs was supplied
7. What financial projections for TRFC have been asked for and obtained over recent seasons.
8. At what point was SFA made aware that RFC insolvency was a possibility/certainty and what actions / contingency did they take as a result.
All of these public interest questions – and many others- could be asked by the MSM right now, and answered honestly by the SFA without any reference to the CF materials, and the answers could be published without any reference to Charlotte whatsoever. The public interest in these matters precedes any CF revelations, and anyone looking through the back catalogue of the TSFM or RTC website will find ample evidence to substantiate this position. There is no legal impediment therefore.
What’s new, of course, is that thanks to Charlotte,- this time- us mug punters would actually know whether the answers being given by the SFA were full and honest ones.
So the media silence is either unnecessary: or what we are experiencing now is the calm at the centre of a tornado which is ripping through the scottish footballing and media establishment, and is about to start ripping roofs off!
Latest CF stuff very interesting. Attempting to intimidate public officials a bit of a bad move. I knew Jack was a wrong ‘un but it is all there in B & W now. He seems to think he’s in an episode of The Sopranos.
Allyjambo says:
June 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm
ecobhoy says:
Cheers eco, but are you able to confirm, or debunk, my thoughts that there are no such things as injunctions in Scotland, and that the Scottish MSM are free to print, in that respect at least?
Regardless of what restraints there are on the MSM printing Charlotte’s revelations, whether she came about the information legally or not, surely there is nothing to stop the MSM from starting their own investigations armed with information now in the public domain, even if they can’t specifically mention it. They could easily start by going to the SFA and asking them, without mentioning
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Technically you are correct about there being no injunctions under Scots Law but there is interdicts which have the same effect so the same mechanism is there.
As soon as CF started posting I stated that there was nothing to stop any journo taking a point from her post and asking anyone mentioned to comment. A story could then be run dependent on the reply even if it was No Comment. You just don’t need to use the Charlotte document. But that’s the beauty of the CF material – it’s virtually all public anyway in a sense just that our suspicions have been confirmed.
So you go back and retrace the old ground and ask the questions again when the people you are questioning know the game’s a bogey. Are they going to lie or keep forgetting what happened. That’s the way to hang them and CF has provided the mechanism to do it without actually using ‘dodgy’ docs.
Usually lawyers are paid to find ways to get stories into papers but in this case even the newspaper lawyers appear to be getting paid to keep them out of the Scottish papers.
A reminder ……..
#5 of the jack email …….
A certain Leggo named two of the HMRC investigators …… and yes Leggo …. I have a screenshot … !
Leggo recieved an early morning wake up call care of StrathClydes finest ….. the blog was instantly removed …… !
At the time we stated just how Disgusting this behaviour was …….
So now we might guess who was feeding him …….. !
Interesting that he has taken an extended holiday …….
Thanks again, eco.
This stuff has gone beyond dynamite and actually points to a criminal conspiracy IMO.
I talked yesterday about StrathPol being conflicted because of the info that had come out about CW being unofficially ‘investigated’ under the old cop blue network. What is coming out in these emails is indicating deep-seated corruption in the Scottish media aimed at HMRC employees and also aimed at stopping Ibrox whistleblowers.
Unbelieveable stuff!
Jack?…Jack?…you on here Jack? You’re a busted flush mate. Soon you are about to find out that the only influence you have left on this story is restricted to pressing the “Thumbs Down” button on TSFM.
Hi all and well done on all involved in getting the new site up…..
I have had a crack at cleaning up the audio from the Charles Green tape and I have spliced it together into one file. It is currently uploading to Soundcloud.
I will post a link shortly in anyone is interested.
One question. And it has been asked so many times why is Ogilvie still in post??
scapaflow says:
June 9, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Thanks to you too, Scapa.
@rantinrobin
My guess is that it will be legal advice that they don’t touch the CF output.
There is a ‘Public interest defence’, but that doesn’t seem to have been invoked so far.
Brenda says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:20 pm
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I guess it’s because ‘he’s the best Administrator around’ as the MSM keep telling us. They also tell us he is honest and trustworthy. Why would humble bampots like us disagree with our esteemed ‘fourth estate!’
What CF is revealing is that the lives of four HMRC employees could have been put at risk by photographing them at Ibrox and then planning to give them to a ‘trusted’ editor presumable for publication in a newspaper.
We know from Green that he feared for his life and had to keep moving from safe house to safe house because he was frightened of his own supporters. We also know that Bomber got a warning that shout him up sharpish and we heard Imran yesterday mentioning MI6 and death threats while Stockbridge I think it was seems to have hysterical giggles off-mike.
These email show just how rotten the MSM is in Scotland and we now know why there is the silence. Those who have supped the succulent lamb have had the favours called-in.
And if they open their mouth to burp then no doubt the secrets about them will be finding its way to their bosses or rival papers. What a stinking mess. Still this is defo Private Eye material there is no doubt about that.
Is this the kind of thing PR Companies do in Scotland?
Or just one bad apple
Perhaps another `independent` inquiry to look forward to? 😉
Phil MacGiollaBhain (@Pmacgiollabhain) says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm
@rantinrobin
My guess is that it will be legal advice that they don’t touch the CF output.
There is a ‘Public interest defence’, but that doesn’t seem to have been invoked so far.
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But what basis is that legal advice on especially in a Scottish context?
twopanda says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Is this the kind of thing PR Companies do in Scotland? Or just one bad apple Perhaps another `independent` inquiry to look forward to?
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Yea well one bad apple seems to have destroyed every apple in the MSM crop. Not sure if you can hold an inquiry behind bars 🙂
Mullach says:
June 9, 2013 at 12:57 pm
That is simply amazing, in a sickeningly bigoted manner! Jack seems desperate to create the belief of a Catholic conspiracy at HMRC, and even when he is told there isn’t one, still tries to persuade, subtley, CW that there is. If that is the kind of talk around the hallowed walls of Ibrox, no wonder the foot soldiers are so misguided in their hate filled ignorance. And then there’s the actual thrust of the emails, which seem to amount to efforts to influence HMRC from within, by suggesting a Catholic/Celtic conspiracy.
Anyone got a list of Media Houses’s existing clients?
From CF
Gross intimidation and leaks when it suits. (1/2)
1 i.imgur.com/SjSgKqH.jpg and
2 i.imgur.com/RvlCZkl.jpg
3 i.imgur.com/brSGrkY.jpg
2:38pm – 9 Jun 13
Sorry, just a test, to check if CF tweets were blocked.
In the meatime I can see someone has managed to post them with active links.
Bravo.
Danish,links from CF do not seem to be accepted on TSFM now.Possibly all too dynamite as the info.gets mind bogglingly more distasteful.
Scapaflow
I agree but Im talking politics which makes it all balderdash and my point is to use the poltical angle to get polticians involved. Just because I propose somethimg that might provoke a response does not mean I believe in the argument used. I’m dead fickle in that way.
Redetin
I think the whole idea that somehow human beings are separate from one another and so can be indepent is am unreal argument. If a farmer does not pick the crops I starve.
But in terms of the national association analogy I think what is happening to our game, withering on a northen vine outside the larger vinyard is a pretty apt one. But then we enter political views and it would serve no purpose to argue the pros and cons of Scottish independence here.
Apologies,it seems possible.
Callumsson says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Anyone got a list of Media Houses’s existing clients?
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Might be on their website but might follow the brothel code of practice of not advertising who their clients are.
I think CF has got this one totally correct and tbh I have never got into too much of a frazzle over the club issue previously: ‘Outrageous behaviour concerning Rangers on HMRC coming up. I’d personally drop this ‘same club’ argument once and for all. Far too toxic’.
What’s that old maxim about PR professionals and spin doctors when they become the story rather than the managers of it? Come on Jack. you know it makes sense… and Leggo will put you up for a few weeks while you contemplate your future; he owes you one.
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June 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm
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@TommyDoc50 possibly – of so Holyrood or Westminster with legal privilege would possibly change matters
AY says ‘Aye’.
Get on it troops!
We need to ask our MPs to raise in parliament the issue of materials and allegations being posted on the charlotte fakes twitter feed which appear to show possible collusion between footballing authorities , insolvency practitioners, and the owners of the clubs involved in the events surrounding the insolvency of Rangers football club, including details of the non payment of tax by RFC, the agressive tax avoidance strategies pursued by RFC under Sir David Murray, possible attempts to acquire the assets of the club from the creditors in adminsitration at less than their true value, as well deliberate attempts to intimidate and undermine HMRC staff by agents employed by RFC.
Add your own allegations
Could/Should we come up with a 38 degrees style standard wording to make it as easy as possible for as many people to do this quickly?
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
Re; Irvine suggesting his ex-plod employees seek (confidential) information from their former-serving colleagues. This may be easier said than done. For example, previously police and civilian staff could access car registration details on a whim. Now all such checks are monitored and audited. Any officer making an unauthorised enquiry is subject to discipline or dismissal.
Due to the sensitive nature of the Rangers investigation, the police team involved would be operating on a strictly need-to-know basis. They would be very wary of divulging information to trusted colleague farless to persons outside the force. The risk could be career threatening. I therefore think Jack is out of touch with reality on this one. I have no doubt the same rules apply within the investigation departments of HMRC regarding sensitive cases.
There are Scottish law lords, judges and sheriffs who are rabid ‘Tims’. I would be astounded if any of them at any time failed to impartially dispense justice because the accused was a bear. The same must apply to police investigation. Perhaps Jack has been spending too much time in the bar after lodge meetings?
OT – for those having no luck accessing the latest CF info (intimidation etc) they are posted on certain Celtic messageboards.
Are there other individuals of the same ilk within `that` company?
Wonder what their `Mission Statement` might be? 😉
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Ecobhoy
John Clarke
Re Celtic’s position the UEFA licence email which affects them most directly is only 24 hours old.
I think you are both on right track but no decision will have been reached yet on how to respond (if at all), to the revelation.
Lawyers will be busy Monday.
resin_lab_dog says:
June 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm
If the CF material is raised/discussed by an MP in parliament under parliametary privelege (by which the MP is free to speak without fear of litigation or criminal prosecution) the press can then freely subsequently report upon what the MP has said
George Galloway?
Allyjambo says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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… And then there’s the actual thrust of the emails, which seem to amount to efforts to influence HMRC from within, by suggesting a Catholic/Celtic conspiracy.
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I remember that this Catholic-HMRC anti-Rangers nonsense was doing the rounds. It’s the sort of poison that gradually seeps into net forums as fact, and there are those only to willing to swallow the whole thing in a single gulp. What other club would get away with this stuff? When does suspension become a possibility?
Not sure I understand the inadmissibility of this material. Different types of Courts, some with juries, who regularly convict on CCTV / Tapes. LH asked for tapes from the BBC. At the very least cross-examination under oath armed with right questions. Some MPs Jailed over expenses after `leaked` material. I`d be wary of calls this material can`t be used – it`s the first ploy/ tactic always worth a punt – and popular in the USA.
Tommy says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Re; suggesting ex-plod employees seek (confidential) information from their former-serving colleagues. This may be easier said than done. Any officer making an unauthorised enquiry is subject to discipline or dismissal. The risk could be career threatening.
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I think you might underestimate how it works. Look at what’s happened in London which demonstrates that for the right money a large number of cops and others would take the chance.
I also happen to think that money isn’t the motivator when it comes to Rangers and I think contacts are the key and they wouldn’t be beat bobbies. The higher the rank the more reports that come across your desk which makes it harder to nail a source if it all goes wrong which is highly unlikely.
The problem will come if they try and prosecute CW when he will no doubt produce this ‘proof’ as well as his audio conversations to try and prove that he was being investigated on the side as well as everyone else. Gone are the days when a Jury automatically believed the word of a cop.
The longer this goes on the messier it’s going to get and we still don’t have a clue what CF has in her locker and neither do the guilty ones who might not even have been named yet.
I wonder how the MSM can still justify taking no action – does the Public Interest and the safety of civil servants count for nothing these days never mind every other dirty trick revealed in the emails.
Tawdry just isn’t the word.
Callumsson says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:36 pm
‘Anyone got a list of Media Houses’s existing clients?
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This is from the web-site:
“CLIENT TYPE OF CONTRACT DATE
Bourne Leisure Corporate Issues Management Current Bourne leisure
Dairy UK Trade Organisation PR & Issues Management Current dairy uk
Lexmark International Corporate Public Affairs Complete lexmark international
Mercy Ships UK Charity Public Relations Current mercy ships uk
New Zealand High Commission Public Sector PR Complete new zealand high commission
Special Olympics Public Sector PR Complete special olympics
Steelcase Plc Corporate Public Relations Current steelcase plc
William Grant & Son Corporate Issues/Crisis Management Complete william grants….”
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Auldheid says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
But then we enter political views and it would serve no purpose to argue the pros and cons of Scottish independence here.
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Well I agree to some extent, but as I posted yesterday, every 4 years and times in between we end up in a discussion about whether Scotland should have a national football team .Does anyone ask that about Croatia, or Iceland, or the Faroes?
It seems that elements in FIFA and some politicians would like to see an end to the separate national football teams. A shambles in the administration of the game is the last thing that’s needed. This is where the fans need to keep politicians interested (though the latter may be doing it for their own political ends). Following Scotland as a national team is part of who we are.
ecobhoy says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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Add to that ….. journalists ….. (PmG has some NUJ numbers) … Legals … individuals (alleged)
In a nutshell ……. It’s systemic …. and that is frightening !
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June 9, 2013 at 3:03 pm
resin_lab_dog says:
June 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm
If the CF material is raised/discussed by an MP in parliament under parliametary privelege (by which the MP is free to speak without fear of litigation or criminal prosecution) the press can then freely subsequently report upon what the MP has said. George Galloway?
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I have no doubt he would raise it but tbh Galloway comes with his own baggage which I would be unhappy to be linked with in any way.
ecobhoy says:
June 9, 2013 at 3:26 pm
George Galloway?
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I have no doubt he would raise it but tbh Galloway comes with his own baggage which I would be unhappy to be linked with in any way
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GG has a travel trunk, and full matching set of suitcases as far as baggage goes, I agree. But how many UK, far less Scottish, politicians would have the nerve to go to the US senate and not get tongue tied and / or deferential at the prospect? He is a serious political player in that regard.
redetin says:
June 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Auldheid says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
But then we enter political views and it would serve no purpose to argue the pros and cons of Scottish independence here.
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Well I agree to some extent, but as I posted yesterday, every 4 years and times in between we end up in a discussion about whether Scotland should have a national football team .Does anyone ask that about Croatia, or Iceland, or the Faroes?
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I believe in a United Kingdom but regard myself as a Scottish Patriot as I love my country but I am not a nationalist and am anti-Independence but I support Scotland as a team and its continuation as a separate footballing entity and I always will.
So I see no reason to discuss supporting the Scottish football team in a political context whether Independence is involved in the argument or not. Even in a separate Scotland I will still support Scotland with the same fervour as I do now – Independence neither increases nor diminishes my support.
Perhaps we end-up discussing the issue on a cyclical basis because it suits the political agenda of some but then I stray towards issues which I feel are irrelevant when we look at the dangers currently engulfing Scottish Football.
Auldheid in an earlier post touched on something very important when considering the email interaction between regan n rangers over the UEFA licence.
rangers knew that refusal of a licence was a death sentence,they knew the numbers didnt stack up.
When you look at it in this light you realise the absolute necessity that nothing could put a spoke in the wheels.
Regan saying that rangers had a “potential” tax bill tells you he either did not appreciate that it was an actual tax bill and not a potential tax bill.
The alternative is he did know and was part of the masquerade that says the bill was in dispute so we can issue a licence.
Regan was acting like someone working as a rangers admin assistant seeking approval and instruction from a boss.
The following questions need to be asked why if the application for licence was above board would there be any concern about press questions.
This tells me it was not above board.
By June 30th under Uefa article 66 the sfa would have had to sign off on rangers confirmation that they had-no outstanding social taxes owed.
With an admitted £2.8m tax bill still outstanding they should not have been given a licence.
Given what was at stake ie rangers very existence there was a huge pressure to turn a blind eye to obfuscate to not apply the rules.
The bill was not in dispute,it was owed.
The disputed penalty n interest should not have been portrayed as an ongoing dispute about the actuality of a bill.
Here lies the crux of were the blind eyes were turned.
regan looks like a rangers lacky in these emails.
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ecobhoy says:
June 9, 2013 at 3:26 pm
George Galloway?
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I have no doubt he would raise it but tbh Galloway comes with his own baggage which I would be unhappy to be linked with in any way
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GG has a travel trunk, and full matching set of suitcases as far as baggage goes, I agree. But how many UK, far less Scottish, politicians would have the nerve to go to the US senate and not get tongue tied and / or deferential at the prospect? He is a serious political player in that regard.
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I’m afraid I disagree with you as I think he is a political joke. And the really sad thing is he has all the ability that you mention but his political capital has been squandered down through the years and I fear he would actually damage what is being attempted.
A few cheap tabloid headlines might suit GG but I’m afraid what we need is heavyweight political commentary from heavyweight journos and publications. Otherwise it’ll be news for a few hours and gone and no other politician would then touch the issue with a barge pole.
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I understand the SFA AGM is being held at Hampden on Tuesday 11th June.
On the agenda is the re-election of Mr Ogilvie …….
Respectfully, ecobhoy, I understand what you’re saying, but if the argument is that someone capable of standing on his or her feet and raising the matter in the house of commons might allow others to take up the various points in CF’s posts and develop them through the media, there may not be a whole raft of other potential candidates who might have the desire and ability to do so. I may be proved wrong on that of course.
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June 9, 2013 at 3:42 pm
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This exchange of emails and the audio which surely exists from the dinner are smoking guns wrt the financial fate of Rangers. And then there was yesterday’s release of the conversation with Imran, Stockbridge and CW portraying their belief they would continue in the SPL no matter what. And I’ll need to go back and listen to the bit about the Rangers reserve team going into SFL3 – had that actually been agreed as well and were the SFL even consulted?
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Not sure if this has been mentioned before; but, is probably worth flagging anyway.
Charlotte made his/her first post at 20:23 on 12th May 2013:
http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/2013/04/13/scottish-football-and-the-case-for-a-bismarck/comment-page-74/#comment-49305
It referred to “the beginning” of the story:
On 21st May 2013 at 12:32, Charlotte tweeted:
https://twitter.com/CharlotteFakes/status/336927487374282752
This referred to a letter sent by Pinsent & Masons on 13th May 2013:
If Charlotte could give us important information that did not exist when he/she first posted, it CANNOT all have come from a single dip of a hard drive/server.
I have no inside knowledge; but, perhaps this could be relevant: http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/221738-craig-whyte-agrees-to-sell-film-rights-to-story-of-rangers-collapse/
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Charlotte is Craig’s publicist.
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Just to clarify the whole tax bill thing.
Once HMRC have assessed it the tax is due. Clearly people can then appeal that, however as soon as HMRC have raised their assessment then the debt has been created.
There is nothing potential about it, the potential is that the amount may be lowered or cancelled out on appeal.
Alex Thomson warning people to be careful what they tweet with respect to Charlotte, advice would also apply to sites like this
HirsutePursuit says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm
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Or linked to this?
HirsutePursuit says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm
HirsutePursuit says:
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Or linked to this?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/craig-whyte-accused-of-faking-evidence-1588355
HirsutePursuit says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm
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Yep ….. but always worth a reminder for new comers and thos ewho missed it first time around
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alex thomson @alextomo 1h
@TommyDoc50 possibly – of so Holyrood or Westminster with legal privilege would possibly change matters
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Does John Reid have a peerage in the House of Lords? Perhaps he could ask a friendly colleague in the Commons to oblige with a Parliamentary question to the Secretary of the Treasury along the lines of – What steps does HMRC plan to take in connection with the alleged actions of Media House, where they are reported to have attempted to secure confidential information from officials of HMRC to aid Rangers FC (in liquidation)?
Peterjung says:
June 9, 2013 at 2:17 pm
“I will post a link shortly in anyone is interested”.
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Yes Peter, that would be of interest. Perhaps you have had a chance to do the ‘Charles Green 09 May’ audio also as this was particularly cluttered. Thanks.
scapaflow says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:48 pm
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Is he indicating that retweets of Charlotte’s musings could have a legal consequence?
Just wanted to make sure i had tuped over to the new site before the the beginning of the end or is it the end of the beginning. Congratulations to all our informed posters who have told us all of what is playing out for many, many months, even years. Is all of this now proof enough?? Haven’t read any posts or news today so apologies if the MSM are now all over this and try to cover their own arses wherever possible. How many good nights out does Cambell Ogilvie have left???
upthehoops says:
June 9, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Is he indicating that retweets of Charlotte’s musings could have a legal consequence?
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That seems to be his gist, this is just getting down right weird .
wft is going on?
Is this the calm before the storm or the usual anticipation before another damp squib.
Is this so bad that everything so far has been damage limitation from all around those involved?
I see CF says hatchet job about to be done on CW – I think I recognise the newspaper from her accompanying document but I’m afraid can’t share it in case I am breaking the law – go and break your own laws 🙂
davythelotion says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:52 pm
HirsutePursuit says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm
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Or linked to this?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/craig-whyte-accused-of-faking-evidence-1588355
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I see this court case resumes tomorrow. Is CW in town?
TSFM – given the warnings from @AlexTomo re @CharlotteFakes (serious legal consequences re tweets) – is it necessary to outline what can and cannot be said re that materials?
Tommy says:
June 9, 2013 at 3:48 pm
meeting at Hampden
What’s the betting CO ends up getting re-elected with a £35K raise, more money for an eventual (hopefully) payoff.
ecobhoy says:
June 9, 2013 at 3:15 pm
“I wonder how the MSM can still justify taking no action”
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ecobhoy, I share your frustration. However the quality of material published recently has changed the landscape I believe. There is no putiing this back in the box. Crisis management will be working full tilt but there are too many fires. The fire brigade will be called shortly I suspect.
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davythelotion says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:52 pm
HirsutePursuit says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm
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Or linked to this?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/craig-whyte-accused-of-faking-evidence-1588355
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I see this court case resumes tomorrow. Is CW in town?
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http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/rolls/sheriff/lists/inv/inv130610.htm
Nos, 3 & 4 are the accused in Inverness Sheriff Court
ForresDee says:
June 9, 2013 at 5:20 pm
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I’m puzzled. If there was anything illegal going on would Twitter not be likely to be forced to block the account? Or maybe I’m looking at things far too simply.
There’s now so many different strands to the whole TRFC/SFA/SPL fiasco that I for one am finding it very difficult to keep up with all that is going on. Thanks to all the TSFM contributers that really help people like me to keep up to speed by breaking things down to bitesize chunks. I fear I, and dare I say others who lurk around the site, would have lost all interest a long time ago if it was not for you guys.
Thanks again.
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ecobhoy says:
June 9, 2013 at 3:15 pm
“I wonder how the MSM can still justify taking no action”
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ecobhoy, I share your frustration. However the quality of material published recently has changed the landscape I believe. There is no putiing this back in the box. Crisis management will be working full tilt but there are too many fires. The fire brigade will be called shortly I suspect.
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Cannot disagree. She is like a serial arsonist running round town setting random fires wherever takes her fancy. The MSM and the authorities must surely react in some way very soon.
binmanombudsmanman says:
June 9, 2013 at 3:42 pm
“The disputed penalty n interest should not have been portrayed as an ongoing dispute about the actuality of a bill”.
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binman, you may believe it is a legal technicality but recently published e:mails and photographs prove quite categorically that Rangers and HMRC were in close contact at the pertinent time 🙂
Deflection? Focus?
I fear we might be being deflected here with the issue of legal direct use of CFs material.
What we have from CF about the European licence issue is an insight into the how it all got swept under the SFA carpet. We should focus now on what is known from publicly available information.
We know RFC obtained the licence, we know the wee tax case was still active, we dont know what UEFA were told, we dont know what RFC did or didnt say to the SFA before and after the licence was issued and how the SFA assessed the information provided. We think we know what they should have decided, but lets have their story, and their justification.
All this is enough, as other posters have said, for the MSM, MSPs, MPs, us and our clubs to take to the SFA for their answers. CFs information is background at this point, and could hopefully be used at a later date.
We now know that they know that we know! that should make their job harder when trying to cover things up.
I dont actually believe we will get to the point where Celtic, Hearts, Kilmarnock etc will be compensated for any illegitimate actions in the SFA, although the bottom line may still be king when their creditors and shareholders see the prospect of some essential income. What I do hope is that a robust line of questioning of the SFA over what we do know now might start the clear out of the SFA.
Lets keep focused on achievables, and let the legality of CFs material become known further on down the road. The SFA AGM might be key here, is their a constitutional opportunity for this to be raised by any club? If not, then we might just have to thole CO and SR surviving the AGM and hope we get them sacked later.