The Existence of Laws

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The Existence of Laws

A Blog by James Forrest for TSFM

I am a socialist, and as a socialist I believe in the fundamental goodness of people. Some people find that hard to believe when they read the stuff I write.

I published my first novel recently, on politics and the corrupting nature of it, and it is a deeply cynical book, a book where no-one has clean hands come the end. What has surprised some of those who’ve read it is that I didn’t focus on the lies and smears of the right, but the hypocrisy and deceit of those who claim to be of the left.

Corruption, you see, doesn’t respect political boundaries or points of view. It’s like rainwater. It finds every crack, and gets in there.

My political beliefs revolve around two apparently paradoxical elements; the belief in the inherent decency of people and the need for a strong, and powerful, state. I believe the second underpins the first, and this brings me into conflict with a lot of people, some on the left and some on the right. Too many people see the state as inherently evil, as something that interferes too much in the lives of ordinary people. As something suffocating.

Yet the state exists to protect us. It exists to provide a safety net. It exists to regulate and to oversee. If the state is made up of bad people, if the gears of society are captured by those with malicious or selfish intent, the results are obvious; war, corruption, chaos.

The vast majority of our problems in the modern age can be neatly summed up in two lines from Yeats’ poem “The Second Coming”, which I used to open my novel. “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”

We live in a time when those who are protecting their own interests have assumed such power that they’ve cowed the rest of us. They have become a law unto themselves. They have changed the nature of the game, because they have sapped our will to the extent some barely put up a fight anymore. The weak get weaker, and the strong use their strength to crush the rest even more. It is a vicious struggle, a downward spiral.

Society is held together not only by the endeavour and common interests of its citizens but by a collection of laws. We elect the people who make those laws. They do so in our name, and we can remove that right every four years. That is a powerful thing, and we do not appreciate it enough. The present corruption exists because we allow it to exist.

The people around me continue to puzzle over my uncommon interest in the affairs of a football club on the west of Glasgow. My own club plays in the east end. I tell those who ask that my primary interest in the goings-on at the club calling itself Rangers is no longer about football; how could it be, after all? With promotion this year they are still a full two divisions below us, emasculated, skint, weak and unstable. If we were fortunate enough to draw them in cup competition the match would be over, as a tie, by the halfway point … in the first half.

In footballing terms they are an utter irrelevance.

Rangers is more than a football club to me. They are a symbol. Their unfolding calamity is an on-going outrage. What is happening there, what is being allowed to happen, is an offense to decency. It is a stain on the face of our country.

In short, it is a scandal. It is a scandal without parallel in sport.

Yet it’s not just a sports story either. If it was, I might not be so focussed on it. What is happening at Rangers is a colossal failure of governance. It is a damning indictment against the very people who are supposed to oversee our game. It is a disgraceful abrogation of responsibility from those at the top, those who claim to be “running things.”

If this is not a failure of governance it is a result of corruption at the heart of our national sport. It says they are bought and paid for, and I will say no such thing here.

So let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. We’ll say instead that what they are is weak, indecisive, inept and disconnected from reality.

It reminds me of our political class, which has become insular and ignorant about what the public wants, and what it needs. It’s not a wonder parties like UKIP can achieve national vote shares of 25% at local elections. Nigel Farage strikes me as a dog-whistle politician, the kind who knows how to appeal to a select group of voters. He is little different to Charles Green, the man who beguiled Rangers fans into handing over large amounts of money, because he was “standing up for the club.” It is easy to do what he did, easy to do what Farage is doing.

Real leadership requires toughness. Say what you like about the Tories, but they have that in spades. Yeats was right about the worst being full of passionate intensity. Green was. Farage is. Cameron and Osborne personify it in their political outlook.

It is easy to be cowed by blunt force politics, and by “tough talking Yorkshire men” and venomous speeches about “strivers and skivers.” The politics of divide and conquer is the oldest form of politics there is, and it’s no surprise to see it practiced by some of the vested interests in the game here in Scotland. Yet, lest we forget … something significant happened last year. The maligned and the ignored, the weak and the voiceless found something they never realised they had. They discovered that, in a very real sense, the power was in their hands.

Last year, the fans rose up when the governing bodies and the media went all-out to save Rangers from the self-inflicted wounds caused by a decade of cheating, malpractice and ineptitude. I have no problem calling that what it was.

What happened at Rangers seemed incredible, but it was all too predictable, and some of us had been talking about it for years before it hit. The Association seemed caught in the headlights but it would amaze me if they really were as insular and ignorant as they appeared. They must have known how bad the outlook was for Rangers. They just chose to ignore it.

They were aided and abetted by a thoroughly disreputable media, a collection of cowards and compromisers, charlatans and frauds, masquerading as journalists, but who long ago laid aside any claim to be bold investigators and settled for commenting on events as they unfolded. More often than not, with their ill-informed opinions, sometimes due to weaknesses in intellect and others wilfully ignorant, they failed even in that.

Entire newspapers became PR machines for crooks and swindlers. They aided in the scam because they didn’t do their jobs, some because they were lazy, some because they were incompetent and others because they wanted a seat at the table and were willing to sacrifice whatever integrity they once had in exchange for one.

That all of this was embraced by the Rangers fans is amazing to me. They trusted when they should have been asking questions. They closed their eyes, covered their ears and sang their battle tunes at the top of their voices so they wouldn’t have to hear anything they didn’t like. As incredible as I found it then, and still find it now – and now, even more so, when they have already seen the results of it once – I find it pathetic too, and I do feel pity for some of them.

A lot of these people are genuine football fans, and nothing more. They have no interest in the phony narrow nationalism, or the over-blown religion, or the notion of supremacy which manifested itself in a ludicrous statement from McCoist when interviewed recently on Sky.

Some of the Rangers fans look at their team of duds, kids and journeymen, they look at a boardroom of cowards and crooks, they look at a failing manager in his first (and last) job in the game and at a dark future and are not in the least bit impressed by, or interested in, the chest-out arrogance espoused in those ridiculous words “we are the people.” They know full well that their present crisis was made by men like McCoist, and they understand that pretentious posturing is not an act born of strength, but a scrambling around in the gutter, and a symptom of weakness.

They understand their position, and they hate it. And because they care about Rangers, because they value the club, because they cherish those things that made it a great Scottish institution, they want that back. They understand that before the Union Jack waving, Sash singing, poppy wearing, Nazi saluting, Orange element became the public face of their support Rangers meant something else, and that, above all things, is what pains them the most.

People do not hate Rangers. When the country appeared to turn its back last year, they were turning the back on favouritism and the bending of rules. Yet it would be a lie to say that there is not an element of dislike in the gleeful mockery of many rival fans.

But they don’t hate Rangers either. They hate the version of it around which a certain section of the support continues to dance. They hate the version which hates, and so too do many, many, many Rangers supporters, and they definitely deserve better.

David Murray chose not to openly challenge that version. Indeed, he encouraged certain strands of it to flourish and grow, with his “Britishness Days” and his effort to turn the club into the “team that supports the troops.” Other clubs have done as much, if not more, for the British Army than the one that plays out of Ibrox. Other clubs have given more money. Other clubs have lent their support to those on the front lines. They just chose to do it with respect, and with class, and with dignity. They chose to do it in private, understanding that there eventually comes a tipping point between looking after the ends of the soldiers and using them to promote your own.

The army has not battened on to Rangers. Rangers has battened on to them, and although it is unclear when an altruistic motive became darker, what started out as a gesture of solidarity is now used to entrench division and promote a notion of superiority.

Craig Whyte took over from Murray and immediately understood the lure of the “dog whistle.” He knew too that the media would accept whatever he told them, without question, and as he spoke up for “Rangers traditions” he made sure the lunatic fringe was well onside. He met face to face with the hard-core extremists in the support first and made them his praetorian guard. They spoke up for him until the day the club entered administration.

So, whereas Murray pandered to them and Whyte used them to further his own ends, it was only a matter of time before someone suggested to Charles Green that he could use the same tactics to win over the support. He went even further and blatantly promoted and encouraged this mind-set, and stoked the hate and nonsense to frightening new heights. The same people who cheered Whyte to the rafters jumped on board the Big Blue Bus and the results are clear.

Through all of it, the ordinary Rangers fan has seen his club buffered against the rocks, battered, broken, smashed to smithereens and sunk. Now there’s a big hole in the side of the lifeboat, and they are terrified that further tragedies await.

They are right to be concerned. Much of the media is still not telling them what they need to know. The people in charge of their club – the owners who have lied, the former hack who covered up the truth about Whyte and now acts as a mouthpiece for Green, the “club legends” who are content to sup with the devil and take his greasy coin when they should be standing toe-to-toe with the fans – are trying to silence those members of the press who do have facts to present.

How many times now have media outlets been banned from Ibrox for daring to report the truth? The manager who demanded the names of a committee last year defends those inside the walls who are desperate to keep secret the things that are going on. He is either an unprincipled coward, or he is, himself, bought and paid for. The fans suffer for it.

The “inconvenient truth” is still being kept from them, and this denies them any chance to play an active role in their club. Indeed, it is all too possible that they’ve passed a point of no return, and that their club is heading for a new liquidation event and it can no longer be stopped.

In either case, their power has been eroded to the point at which they must feel they have nothing left to do but stand back and watch what happens next.

They are wrong. I am a socialist. I believe in the inherent good of people. I think the ordinary decent Rangers fans are the only people left who can save their club … and the means by which they will do it is as simple as it could be.

They must stand up for “big government.” They must embrace the need for a “strong state.” They must lobby the SFA, and they must trust the SFA and they must get the SFA to follow its own rules and thereby save them from any further harm.

There is a tendency amongst some Celtic fans to see our governing bodies as pro-Rangers. If it is true then those running our game are ruining Scottish football without benefiting the thing they love more. The incalculable harm that has been done to Rangers in the last 20 some months is a direct result of the subservient media and the willingness of the football authorities to be “deaf, dumb and blind.” Those who believe this has actually helped the Ibrox club have not been paying attention in class. It has irrevocably scarred them, and it may yet have played a hand in destroying them once and for all, as a force if not as a club entirely.

For years, the SFA sat and did nothing as a club in their association operated a sectarian signing policy. They did nothing whilst the fans sang sectarian songs. In their failure to act they strengthened those elements of the Rangers support, instead of isolating, alienating and eventually helping to eliminate those who saw that club as a totem pole of division and hate. Their failure over EBT’s, and their lack of scrutiny, led to one of the greatest scandals in the history of sport, and I say that with no equivocation at all. The testimony of their registrations officer in the Lord Nimmo Smith investigation was a disgrace and in years to come it will rank as one of the most disreputable and damaging moments in the association’s history.

The most egregious failures of all were the failures in the so-called “fit and proper person” tests, which allowed first Whyte and then Charles Green to assume controlling positions at Ibrox. They will pass the buck and say the responsibility lies with the club itself, in much the same way as they are content to let the club investigate itself at the present time, but any neutral who looks at this stance knows it is unprincipled and spineless. It’s like letting the defence set the terms at a trial. It is foxes investigating the chicken coop.

It is a blueprint for corruption, and a recipe for disaster.

It is now too late for the SFA to declare Green “unfit”, as it was too late when they finally slapped that title on Craig Whyte. He and his allies own Rangers, and they control its destiny. They can push the club to the wall if they choose, in the final extremity, if that gets them what they want. The time for changing that is past. The damage has already been done. The barbarians are not at the gates. They are inside the walls, and sacking the city.

The SFA will be forced to punish Rangers for the sins of the owners, for the second time in as many years, and whilst it is right that the club face up to that, all the better to send a message to other clubs and other owners, the SFA cannot be allowed to slither off the hook here as though this was none of their doing. Green will skip off into the sunset. Craig Whyte has yet to pay his fine. These people never cared about Scottish football and they don’t care now.

The SFA are supposed to. Our governing body is supposed to govern, for the good of the whole game, and not as a support system for a single club. What they have allowed to happen on their watch is absolutely shameful and if the people responsible were men at all, with any sense of accountability, they would resign en masse.

They can pretend ignorance, but only the truly ignorant would accept that. Craig Whyte was not inside Ibrox a week before RTC and other sites were dismantling his entire business history, with some of the people here doing the work the SFA would not. Whyte himself claims to have made the governing bodies aware of the scale of what was facing the club, and they did nothing at all. Heads should have rolled a year ago.

In October of last year, on this very site, I posted an article in which I wrote:

“Which isn’t to say the due diligence matter isn’t worrying, because, of course, it is. Again, no-one is going to convince me that the SFA has conducted proper due diligence on Charles Green and his backers. No-one will convince me they are satisfied that this club is in safe hands, and that the game in this country will not be rocked by a further implosion at Ibrox. They failed to properly investigate Craig Whyte, because of lax regulations requiring disclosure from the club itself, regulations which are just a joke, but they can be forgiven for that as the press was talking sheer nonsense about him having billions at his disposal, and a lot of people (but not everyone!) were either convinced or wanted to be convinced by him.

To have witnessed what Whyte did, to have witnessed the Duff & Phelps “process” of finding a buyer, and having Green essentially emerge from nowhere, with a hundred unanswered questions as to his background and financing, for the SFA to have given this guy the go ahead, only for it to blow up in their faces later, would annihilate the credibility of the governing body and necessitate resignations at every level. There would be no hiding place.”

There are times when it is fun to be right, but this is not one of them. It is dispiriting and disquieting to have been so on the nose. It scares the Hell out of me, as someone who loves football in this country, to have seen this matter clearly when the people running our game apparently either did not or chose to ignore very real, very obvious, concerns. The Internet Bampots had no special insight or access to information that was denied those at the SFA. We just weren’t prepared to ignore it and pretend that it wasn’t there. There was too much at stake.

I have become convinced that things will never change until the Rangers supporters join us in demanding the full and unabridged truth here. They need to come out from under the bed, and confront their fears. They need to be willing to take the consequences, so that their club can emerge clean from this, and start again, with all this behind them.

And it can all happen with one simple thing. The application of the rules.

The existence of laws comes down to a simple principle; they protect society from those elements within it who are interested only in their own selfish ends. We may cry out at those rules and regulations we see as “restrictive”, but the law was not made to restrict our freedoms but to protect them. Had the SFA years ago acted against Rangers sectarian signing policy, and the songs from the stands, the club would not have mutated to the point where there was no help on hand when they needed it the most. Let’s not kid ourselves about this; Whyte and Green were only able to grab control because the club itself has a dreadful image which put off respectable and responsible buyers. The SFA could have helped change that perception years ago and did nothing.

The SFA could have conducted its own investigation into who Craig Whyte was. They could have asked David Murray for full disclosure when he was running up £80 million of debt, a sum of money that is beyond belief for a single club in a small provincial backwater league. Had they had the guts to do that the club would never have spent itself into oblivion and forced the hand of Lloyds, which led indirectly to their ignominious end.

The SFA could have fully investigated Charles Green and the means by which he took control, instead of rushing through a license. His emergence at the last minute was transparently suspicious and designed to force them into a quick decision, but they did not have to bow to that pressure by making one, without being in possession of the facts, as it is now 100% clear they were not.

Had they asked for every document, had they insisted on legal affidavits and personal securities from investors (and this would have been perfectly legitimate and is common place in other licensing areas) none of this would have come to pass. After Craig Whyte they had a moral responsibility to the rest of the game to get this one right and their failure is without parallel in the history of Scottish football.

As the club hurtles towards a new abyss, names are cropping up which should send a shudder down the spines of every honest, genuine supporter of not only Rangers but every team in the land. The SFA claims that a strong Rangers is essential for the sake of Scottish football, but they have been extraordinarily lax in protecting that club, and therefore the game, from destructive elements. Craig Whyte and Charles Green had dubious personal histories, and the acquisition of the club itself was mired in controversy and scandal. Yet it was allowed.

Neither Green nor Whyte were known to have operated outside the law, yet neither was worthy of trust or stood up to scrutiny. Neither man should ever have been granted the status as fit and proper persons to assume a role in our national sport, and if it is true of them what can we say about the three men who are, presently, being touted as the Great White Hopes for a bright, new Rangers future; Dave King and the Easdale brothers?

King recently cut a deal with the South African government over an on-going dispute over taxes. In other words, he pled guilty and accepted the central plank of their argument; that for years he was engaged in wilfully with-holding vast revenues from their Treasury. The media does not like to put it like that, and the SFA seems willing to ignore it utterly, and this would be scandalous enough. But it does not stop there. HRMC rules – as well as the SFA’s own governance documents – actually bar him from serving on the board of the new club.

Last but not least, aside from being an admitted tax cheat, King is also awaiting trial in South Africa, having been indicted for corruption, forgery and fraud – 300 charges in total. Yet as recently as last week, we were told that the Association was willing to look at him and consider representations from his lawyers. This is almost beyond belief.

If Dave King’s position is untenable, and he is yet to be convicted of a crime, what can we say about the position of the Easdale’s? One of the two brothers, Sandy, has already served jail time. He is a convicted criminal, a fraudster nonetheless, who’s “victim” was the same Treasury who are appealing one case involving the old club and liquidated it entirely over another. This is precisely the kind of “businessman” the fit and proper person test was supposed to weed out, and if the SFA holds its nose here the reek will stink out the halls at Hampden for decades. If King or the Easdale’s are judged fit and proper, then who exactly is the test for? What exactly do you have to do to fail it? How do we explain the existence of laws, when these are not applied?

Pascal says “Law without force is impotent.” The SFA’s weakness has allowed one version of Rangers to destroy itself, and has allowed an existential risk to another. If the next power at Rangers resides in South Africa or Greenock I can say with some certainty that the Association is engaged in an even more dangerous roll of the dice, because the surfacing of fresh scandal will be an ever present risk, and will be of the sort no-one will survive.

The damage to Scottish football will take years to heal. The Scottish game has been through enough trauma. It does not need more. It barely survived the last calamity to hit Rangers. The rest of us should not be forced to pay the price of the next one.

The greater damage will be done to Rangers itself. If the Green crisis ends in another collapse – as it well might; another administration event is a certainty, and another liquidation is a much more likely prospect than it was before 14 February 2012 – the club will once again have to start from the bottom, and this time the reputational damage will be impossible to repair. The club faces internal strife, sporting sanctions, and criminal investigations. The last takeover might be declared a fraud. the Whyte takeover will almost certainly be. The share issue might be invalid, as well as criminal, and the people involved may well end up in jail. Lawsuits could follow from investors, there could be as yet unknown consequences from the Upper Tier Tax Tribunal (thank you Brogan Rogan for pointing out what those might be) and a host of other issues.

Rangers fans must be the loudest voices here. How do you want the world to view your club in years to come? Do you want one to be proud of, or one forever associated with the shame and disgrace of these days gone by? The one which bailed out on its tax obligations. The one with supporters who disgrace your very name. The one which allowed Whyte and Green to take you to the cleaners and send you to the wall. The one which handed over control to one convicted criminal and another awaiting trial. Do you want to be reborn clean, or mired in the muck?

David Murray destroyed your financial stability. He made it so no bank would issue you a line of credit and no investor of note wanted to buy. Craig Whyte liquidated you. Charles Green has cast the future of the Newco into doubt and acted in a manner which has annihilated your credibility with the financial markets for decades to come.

Between these three men, they have taken everything from you, and the press and the people who run the game here, as well as some of your own blindly ignorant fans, have allowed them to do all this and more. Now they conspire to hand the keys to Ibrox to other men of questionable character, who will wreck further havoc on the reputation of the club.

The Scottish Football Association has damaged the game it was supposed to protect, but above all else their greatest failure of governance was a failure to protect one of its biggest clubs from its own excesses and those of its owners.

Rangers fans, the SFA have betrayed your trust, more than the trust of any other club. What you must insist on now is full disclosure and transparency from the powers that be in Hampden. The SFA has to end the charade of allowing your club to handle this in-house. They must hand everything over to an outside agency – whether a legal one, or a footballing body like UEFA – and they must demand co-operation and answers, and threaten to withhold the license if they don’t get them.

You must not be afraid of that. You must embrace it. The men with their hands on the gears at Ibrox are motivated by money, and nothing more. If the license is withdrawn their “investments” are worthless. They cannot risk that.

You must demand that the rules on fit and proper persons are applied, and where necessary even made stronger, to prevent your club falling into unclean hands. You must demand that they protect your reputation from further damage, by getting this all out there and acting accordingly, even if that means your club does not play football for at least a year.

You must be willing to suck it all up, knowing that what will emerge is a Rangers which has been cleansed and moves forward with honour, and dignity, led by custodians who treasure it rather than those who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

The Rangers Standard has recently emerged as a genuine voice for those in your support who are sick and tired of what Rangers has become, and want it restored to something that is worthy of the love and respect in which you hold it. On that website, there are discussions about the kind of club you seek to be and about whether the institution of Rangers is about more than just football.

If that’s how you feel about it then you know it is about more than how many titles the club can claim, about more than just results on the park, about more than just the game. Rangers, like Celtic, is an idea. It has to be something you are proud of.

I am a socialist, but one with a fevered imagination and a tendency to write very dark things. This piece won’t have been good reading for some of you (perhaps all of you haha!) but I think there’s more hope in here than in other things I’ve written.

In spite of everything that’s come to pass, I still believe. I believe in Scottish football. I believe in our system of football governance, even if those who are working in it are failing on some level.

In society, as much as we strain against them, laws exist for our protection. To fail to enforce them is to leave us at the mercy of those elements who would do us harm. The rules of football ensure the protection of all clubs, not just a few.

The failure to enforce the rules has never had graver consequences than here in Scotland.  The irony is that bending and breaking them has hurt the one club those violations were designed to help. It cannot be allowed to happen again.

The rules must be applied without fear or favour.

The best must find their conviction, and their passionate intensity once more.

James is a co-editor of the On Fields of Green Blog http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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Brian McHugh (@pbmchugh)Posted on10:38 pm - Jun 10, 2013


Teasing again, should be interesting!

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 41s

Managed to uncover a partial discussion regarding SFA/UEFA approval for the previous European Licence – will get it up shortly.
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easyJamboPosted on10:38 pm - Jun 10, 2013


Captain Haddock says: June 10, 2013 at 10:27 pm

Personally, I would be mortified if I, as a director or administrator, received that letter from an auditor.

The Grant Thornton letter was quite something, and to me sounded like the author was trying hard not to call some folk fibbers. Did the SFA get sight of this during their likely frequent association with RFC?
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Probably not, but it highlights why ALL the directors involved in the running of RFC in 2010/11 should be deemed “not fit or proper persons” to hold office in Scottish Football. That includes Craig Whyte, Phil Betts, Gary Withey, Dave King, Paul Murray, Martin Bain Alastair Johnston et al.

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easyJamboPosted on10:44 pm - Jun 10, 2013


newtz says: June 10, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Auditors letter is extrmely terse ….. not seen one so …… ! …… very telling ….

Financial Assistance ! …… Oh, but a QC says its OK though … honest !
Wonder if they ever produced it ?
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That is one that BDO should be looking at. Would they have a copy? Will they have the balls to do anything about it?

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StevieBCPosted on10:45 pm - Jun 10, 2013


You would think that if CF had any manners at all, ‘she’ would tweet something really juicy about the SFA – just in time for their AGM ?

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slimshady61Posted on11:35 pm - Jun 10, 2013


easyJambo says:
June 10, 2013 at 10:44 pm
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EJ, the main thing about this letter is it should have been written 6 months earlier, during the audit, not the day after administration.

This shows GT lazily ambling along, happy to take the fees and making no proper enquiry about the Ticketus situation and the financial assistance implications or the possible outcome of the tax tribunal until after the club/company plunges into admin.

It is astonishing in a situation where the company has been acquired during the year in question that a full and proper analysis of how the acquisition had been structured has not been acquired by the auditors who openly admit in this letter that they only learned of the securitisation of season tickets from HMRC!

Looks more like a Roger Hannah audit than Robert Hannah one…..

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TSFMPosted on1:05 am - Jun 11, 2013


Looking for a straw poll on the fluttering saltire header. If the plainer look is preferred, give this a TD

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BayviewGoldPosted on2:37 am - Jun 11, 2013


Login seems screwed up – says bayviewgold is already registered but didn’t recognise wordpress password or send password reset to any email I had registered, like the saltire header though – very classy 🙂

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BayviewGoldPosted on2:40 am - Jun 11, 2013


to avoid any doubt – the history and honours of “bayviewgold” were transferred across to “TheBayviewGold” I’ve lost some arsenal shares though.

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on6:37 am - Jun 11, 2013


Morning all.
Is this still working?.

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scottcPosted on6:40 am - Jun 11, 2013


One of the things that always annoyed me, after the FTTT reported, was the exasperated cries of, “Rangers would have survived administration if HMRC had moved quicker and this result was known”.

We could all see it was patent nonsense. The Grant Thornton letter, shows that the former Board of Directors must also have known it. The company was not a viable business, and nothing we have seen of its successor so far, indicates that anything has changed.

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on7:07 am - Jun 11, 2013


Here’s a tweet fom the early hour from our Charlotte:

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 3h

Grier knew more about the Ticketus Deal and amounts much earlier than he claims – why? http://www.scribd.com/doc/147024746/Grier-Awareness … and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18179264

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on7:08 am - Jun 11, 2013


Seems CtH has been busy overnight:

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 5h

Nothing insurmountable in Feb 12 but VAT apportionment a pain. 1. http://www.scribd.com/doc/147008062/UEFA-Club-Monitoring-03 … 2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/147008050/UEFA-Club-Monitoring-03a … 3. http://www.scribd.com/doc/147008093/UEFA-Club-Monitoring-03b

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on7:10 am - Jun 11, 2013


Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 6h

Not fit for purpose. We’re talking about arrestments not payments and HMRC not agreeing 1. http://www.scribd.com/doc/147000293/UEFA-Club-Monitoring-02 … 2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/147000341/UEFA-Club-Monitoring-02a

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on7:12 am - Jun 11, 2013


Apologies if posted before but I didn’t see them:

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 7h

Seems to be a bit of self certification and/or backlog with a hint of nothing to worry about. I’ll review for data. http://www.scribd.com/doc/146985872/UEFA-Club-Monitoring-01

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on7:26 am - Jun 11, 2013


Apologies once more.
Just noticed the 3 tweets posted should be read in reverse order.

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neepheidPosted on8:11 am - Jun 11, 2013


For anyone who has registered, but hasn’t received the password email yet, check your junkmail folder, especially if using Microsoft’s recent “enhancement” to hotmail.

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Lord WobblyPosted on8:21 am - Jun 11, 2013


The registration process wouldn’t let me type my email address. Had to copy and paste. Otherwise fine.

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slimshady61Posted on8:43 am - Jun 11, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
June 11, 2013 at 7:12 am
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TJB, the important thing about this link – http://www.scribd.com/doc/146985872/UEFA-Club-Monitoring-01 – is that the timings don’t agree.

Ken Olverman forwards the SFA’s email before it has been sent by the SFA. Given that both RFC and the SFA existed at that time in the same timezone, it is hard to see how this could have happened.

Which leaves you wondering to what extent this trail can be relied upon to tell you anything…other than that belatedly the SFA were trying to get their administration in order. It would never have been like that in Jim Farry’s day

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FinlochPosted on8:46 am - Jun 11, 2013


Look Two Squirrels!

First let me say that I think that there should be a pyramid system and I am ashamed of the racism and sectarianism in our sport.
(Our administrators have had years and years and years to do something about both of these squirrels).

Look a Little beneath the Facade!

Whoever is attending the SFA AGM today from Wick Academy and Ross County in the North right down to Stranraer and Berwick in the South.
So this applies to all of you.

Don’t let the sleazy ones tell you they are dealing with the squirrels therefore are fit for purpose.

All is not well with them and how they operate and is going to get a whole lot worse.
It will suck you in and disillusioned fans don’t spend as much.

Don’t ignore what you already know even though its not yet in the public domain because of the way our MSM works.

Don’t ignore your instincts.

Dont blindly accept that cover-ups between old pals are good for our game, they are not.

Your fans are stakeholders but you’d never know it.
And your, (our SFA) is complicit in one of the biggest corruption events in our country.

The mess is already bad but it is just going to get worse and it is not even on the patronising agenda you have for today.

It will only take one honest club to stand up and start the clean up and it nearly happened a year ago.

There needs to be a real investigation.
There needs to be suspensions of several highly paid executives on full pay or gardening leave.

There needs to be (to quote the SFA chief exec “Transparency”)

Things like the 5 way agreement need to be published – before Charlotte does it for you.

…. and as for Ogilvie and Regan

Look Two Dead Men Walking!

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ForresDeePosted on9:32 am - Jun 11, 2013


test

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ForresDeePosted on9:40 am - Jun 11, 2013


Things progressing at Dens,

Jim Spence ‏@bbcjimspence 20m
DFCSS say they want the deal to go ahead, they know the fans want the deal to go ahead and they say they are moving it ahead.

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BadgerbhoyPosted on10:09 am - Jun 11, 2013


Test

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TSFMPosted on10:24 am - Jun 11, 2013


Made this sticky in case anyone gets stuck.

Having a trial of the registration system tonight. The wordpress.com logins won’t work on this, so you have to register on the site.
To do that, click on the login link, and then hen you are taken to the login page, click register, add your name and email address, and you are done. You can choose any name you like, but get yours in first cause duplicates won’t be allowed 🙂

If you have a Gravatar at that email address, it will be added to your posts and your post history will be transferred without reference to Mr Bryson 🙂

We’ve had another £150 donated today, so the total is now at £460. Thanks for that. I think we should reach our target by the end of the month.

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Jack JarvisPosted on11:07 am - Jun 11, 2013


It appears that almost all of Charlotte’s links to emails originating from Media House on June 9th have been removed. Too hot for Jack to handle, or something more sinister?

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AllyJamboPosted on11:25 am - Jun 11, 2013


From my dodgy memory there was a lot of controversy surounding David Grier’s relationship with Craig Whyte and Rangers which was explained away by, something like; he was only an advisor to Whyte in his initial takeover of Rangers and was not involved in any other capacity, so there was no conflict of interest to prevent Duff and Phelps being legitimate administrators. Not all that accurate a description, but I think that was kind of how it was explained away.

Charlotte’s latest tweets, however, show a much deeper relationship going well past the takeover date, where, I believe, Grier’s involvement was supposed to have ended. Assuming Charlotte’s documents are genuine, it shows, not only did Grier’s involvement with Whyte not end until much later, but that he was deeply involved with financial matters at Rangers that went well past the level of advice to a very ‘hands on’ position and that he was actually involved in the events that led to the insolvency and ultimate liquidation. By association, I’m sure that would mean Duff & Phelps were involved too. Without much in the way of insolvency experise, I’m pretty certain that no one, or company, involved in an insolvency event can become the administrators. I wonder if the IPA investigation was aware of his protracted involvement and if BDO will find it interesting!

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BadgerbhoyPosted on11:53 am - Jun 11, 2013


Tom English þ@TomEnglishSport 1h
@CERUMEN @lawrencedonegan Did I talk to Rangers officials during the implosion of the club? Er,yes. Guilty. Shoot me now

Tom English þ@TomEnglishSport 1h
@CERUMEN @lawrencedonegan They look genuine to me. It’s the interpretation of some of them that is off the wall #bonkers.

Tom English ‏@TomEnglishSport 1h
@humol62 True. But when you’ve 30 abusers/insane conspirators on your case every time you tweet then after a while you think why bother

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ForresDeePosted on11:55 am - Jun 11, 2013


Allyjambo says:
June 11, 2013 at 11:25 am

I wonder if the IPA investigation was aware of his protracted involvement and if BDO will find it interesting!

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The IPA investigation is complete, I don’t think they want to pull on that particular lose thread, less they unravel a whole lot more.

BDO seem to be only interested in making money for themselves, don’t expect them to do anything spectacular!

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manandboyPosted on12:26 pm - Jun 11, 2013


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AllyJamboPosted on1:05 pm - Jun 11, 2013


ForresDee says:

June 11, 2013 at 11:55 am

Almost certainly the case, Forres. My questions were more or less rhetorical 😉

Should Charlotte’s information be genuine, it merely highlights the duplicity within the financial sector and an unwillingness to rock that particular boat. I’ve long been of the opinion that, while the authorities are only too ready to pursue an individual ‘rogue’ like, say, Nick Leeson, especially after the Institution (bank) itself has collapsed, they are very reticent to go after the big boys at the head of companies, ie the high street banks, for fear of what might fall out when those particular trees are shaken. I’m sure they are afraid, especially under the spotlight that this case would bring, to try too hard to investigate, not only the actions of Grier, and the individual administrators, but D&P as a whole, in case their practices, no doubt used across the whole of the industry, are shown to be somewhat less than proper. Justice, in the face of the ‘house of cards’ that is British Society, comes second to preserving ‘the house’.

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on2:19 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Test

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manandboyPosted on2:30 pm - Jun 11, 2013


The Bigger Picture

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-faces-seven-years-savage-1938811

Britain faces SEVEN YEARS of savage cuts due to George Osborne’s failed economic policies
7 Jun 2013 19:22

A respected economic think tank said the Chancellor was no closer to balancing the books than he was back in 2010 .

Hard-up households face another SEVEN YEARS of savage cuts and tax rises as a result of the Chancellor’s failed economic policies.

The grim news was delivered today by the Institute for Fiscal Studies, http://www.ifs.org.uk/docs/pre_spendinground_ce2013.pdf
whose analysis of the county’s dire finances concluded that we will be gripped by austerity measures until at least the 2020 General Election.

As a result, it warned, Britain must be prepared for even “deeper” public spending cuts, lower public sector wages and possible tax rises.
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If we keep in mind that the SS UK plc has already struck the iceberg

and is fatally holed along half it’s length beneath the waterline, and is therefore invisible,

and that the weight of the national debt is so great that the ship will struggle to stay afloat,

it is reasonable to assume, that actually,

the script for Scottish Football may already have been written,

and furthermore ,

that the final outcome of the team in blue playing at or near Ibrox,

may just be a complete irrelevance.

Unless of course we opt to transfer to the good ship ” Independence “,

in which case we might be spared the ravages of a decade of austerity,

and, you never know, we might even find the wherewithall

to revive Scottish Football.

What hope ?

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youtawknabootPosted on2:38 pm - Jun 11, 2013


test 🙂

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smartie1947Posted on2:54 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Have managed to reregister, obtained new password and successfully logged in.
If I could only think of something to say on this very quiet day.
Now If only one or two enterprising club chairmen could deregister CO today, annul his password for good and log him straight to the nearest constabulary, what a better vista for everyone.

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schottie59Posted on2:57 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Harry Brady ‏@HarryBradyCU 10m
You can’t dodge taxes and get a Euro license…In the rest of Europe at least
http://ow.ly/lUVxy

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Not The Huddle MalcontentPosted on3:22 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Campbell Ogilvie re-elected – may as well just call it a day. Game is a bogey. Corrupt to the core.

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manandboyPosted on3:29 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
June 11, 2013 at 3:22 pm
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Campbell Ogilvie re-elected – may as well just call it a day. Game is a bogey. Corrupt to the core.

From previous post:-

“to revive Scottish Football.

What hope ?”
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No hope – not for another 2 years at least.

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FinlochPosted on3:31 pm - Jun 11, 2013


He might be re-elected but that won’t stop the dam bursting.
And burst it will.

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twopandaPosted on3:36 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Some quite extraordinary aspects coming to light. Whilst one can understand reports would not wish to undermine on-going court cases – one is less inclined to understand why some aspects should be subject to confidentially at all.

Creditors including taxpayers are now being related accounts [the provenance is uncertain] that differ from accounts or missing from accounts from sources that are given provenance – so much so that investigations have required to report that such sources are considered to have done nothing untoward.

In summary – there are two differing versions developed or developing that contradict or could contradict. So there is now an extraordinary position.
Additionally the potential originator sources for information on any versions of events are identical.

Therefore one must assume that Court Appointed Officers, Independent investigations, The Crown Office / Police have had limited access to all material and cannot report / act – or – that they have had access to all relevant materials and they can`t act / report – for some reason [and after a year].

But a twitter account can cause `legal difficulties` immediately – Quite Extraordinary

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StevieBCPosted on3:37 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
June 11, 2013 at 3:22 pm

Campbell Ogilvie re-elected – may as well just call it a day. Game is a bogey. Corrupt to the core.
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Well, if there was ever any doubt about how little the SFA regarded their customers – and their customers’ opinions – then the re-election of Ogilvie is confirmation.

Disgusted.

Not surprised – but still disgusted.

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Not The Huddle MalcontentPosted on3:38 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Finloch says:
June 11, 2013 at 3:31 pm
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He might be re-elected but that won’t stop the dam bursting.
And burst it will.

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for me, that is not the point. He is clearly conflicted….but the clubs just ticked the box….they are just as bad for allowing this to carry on.

Simply enough, they are taking us for a ride….as they have always done, but now they aren’t even pretending to give a feck anymore.

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HirsutePursuitPosted on3:41 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Tested

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valentinesclownPosted on3:41 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Malaga FC loses Appeal at CAS. This will now set the standard in terms of the Licensing criteria. http://www.tas-cas.org/news

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ForresDeePosted on3:43 pm - Jun 11, 2013


lost two posts to the ether, not really that impressed with the new site!

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TartawulverPosted on3:47 pm - Jun 11, 2013


valentinesclown says:
June 11, 2013 at 3:41 pm

Malaga FC loses Appeal at CAS. This will now set the standard in terms of the Licensing criteria. http://www.tas-cas.org/news
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Yes, but remember Rangers have the ‘shapeshifter defence’ – licensing problem from a couple of years ago? Hey, we’re newclub again!

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bogsdolloxPosted on3:50 pm - Jun 11, 2013


I appear to be logged in but the posts don’t appear. I suppose it’s just as well I have nothing to say

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NawlitePosted on3:51 pm - Jun 11, 2013


test

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BrendaPosted on3:53 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Don’t know what’s happened saying I’m registered but not showing any posts ??????

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BrendaPosted on3:54 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Haha it is now 🙂 just have to think of something intelligent ypto say now 🙂 first ever!!!

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john clarkePosted on3:55 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Brenda says:
June 11, 2013 at 3:53 pm

Me too, but TSFMis looking into it.

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john clarkePosted on3:56 pm - Jun 11, 2013


john clarke says:
June 11, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Me too, but TSFMis looking into it.
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And seems to have solved the problem, too!!

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fara1968Posted on4:00 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Can we go back to the old site. This one is Craig whyte

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Exiled Celt (@The_Exiled_Celt)Posted on4:04 pm - Jun 11, 2013


I registered multiple times but never got a password delivered to my email so could not register – thanks for opening up the old sign on system again

CO re-elected – where to start with that?

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fara1968Posted on4:04 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Didn’t expect that to get posted. All my others got lost.

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john clarkePosted on4:06 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Allyjambo says:
June 11, 2013 at 11:25 am
-‘I wonder if the IPA investigation was aware of his protracted involvement and if BDO will find it interesting!”
—Which reminds me: did LH ever say anything about Clarke and Whitehouse’s report to him about the potential conflict of interest?

Would he now be able to say something (before he b.ggers off to the UK Supreme Court in October) if CF’s stuff could be verified and brought officially to his attention?

And how would anyone actually bring official attention to ‘leaked’ documents ( were they leaked , or was a huge bundle destined for shredding carefully set aside and kept for future contingencies?)

Because if the docs and tapes cannot be externally verified as authentic, which body could or would act on their contents? not the SFA for sure! Not the MSM. Not the PF.

HMRC/ BDO?

But how to get them verified and referred appropriately?

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Silent PartnerPosted on4:10 pm - Jun 11, 2013


I suspect that when the “legal obstacles” are overcome and a public spotlight is shone on all of the collusion/partiality etc, done in the name of football’s governing body in Scotland, this story will travel beyond our own border.

Who would we prefer to be in charge when the dam bursts?

I’d vote for Campbell.

So would quite a few of the powerbrokers in our game it would seem.

Pretty happy with that actually.

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AllyJamboPosted on4:10 pm - Jun 11, 2013


re Charlotte’s latest tweets:

I notice that the invoice, presented to RFC on 26/5/11by MCR, was for same day payment. Do you think they knew the likelihood of payment to creditors, even at that early date in Whyte’s ownership of the club? Of course it might just be the norm for the business, but I do find it strange considering there was an ongoing business relationship, and a quite cosy one at that!

I wonder if there’s ever been an example before of a company giving assistance in the purchase of a company, the running of that company, and then the administration of that company, all the way through to the point of liquidation of that company! Especially one in which there was nothing, or very little, left for creditors amounting to tens of millions of pounds! To a layman it certainly seems questionable.

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Exiled Celt (@The_Exiled_Celt)Posted on4:10 pm - Jun 11, 2013


While waiting for CF, Auldyin’s post on the UEFA license is well worth a read….

http://www.celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=856:in-whom-do-we-trust&catid=47:season-2011-2012&Itemid=83

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manandboyPosted on4:11 pm - Jun 11, 2013


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22844614

Chief executive Stewart Regan hopes Scottish FA clubs will vote through new stricter regulations to help eliminate racism and sectarianism.

“This is an opportunity for Scottish football to get its own house in order,” he told BBC Radio Scotland.

“What we don’t want is Fifa or Uefa at some point in the future bringing in mandatory rules, that we simply have to take on board.
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“This is an opportunity for Scottish football to get its own house in order,” he (SR) told BBC Radio Scotland.

” Now then, what shall we do first ? ” said Stewart. ” Oh, I know. Let’s first re-elect Campbell as Chairman. That way I get to keep my job and my wonderfully huge salary.”

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ecobhoyPosted on4:16 pm - Jun 11, 2013


ForresDee says:
June 11, 2013 at 11:55 am

Allyjambo says:
June 11, 2013 at 11:25 am

I wonder if the IPA investigation was aware of his protracted involvement and if BDO will find it interesting!
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The IPA investigation is complete, I don’t think they want to pull on that particular lose thread, less they unravel a whole lot more. BDO seem to be only interested in making money for themselves, don’t expect them to do anything spectacular!
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Re the IPA I followed the CF link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18179264

‘But when asked by the BBC whether the firm had been involved in or was aware of the Ticketus transaction, Mr Grier said: “It was September, when – I think it was probably August time actually – when there was a payment that was due back to Ticketus that was not planned into the cash flow that we were working to and which we were presenting to HMRC, so that set a series of hares running.”

Paul Murray called for a probe into Duff & Phelps handling of the case

Mr Grier added: “And we said – ‘well we don’t understand anything about any commitments to Ticketus or involvement with them’.”

He was then asked: “They were never involved in the financing of this purchase, as far as you were concerned, that is?” Mr Grier replied: “Not at all. That wasn’t in our terms of engagement.”
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I will need to go back to the IPA terms of reference and findings but I wonder is it another play on words and perhaps they didn’t investigate anything that wasn’t in the actual ‘terms of engagement’.

ForresDee: I can’t believe that if a fresh complaint or fresh evidence is raised with the IPA that they can just deny it. There are tons of blogs where their members can be reached and put pressure on. Most professional bodies attempt to protect their members as a face-saving for the profession as a whole. But there is almost always a tipping-point where they have to act and if material keeps coming from CF that could well be the case.

As to BDO of course they’re in it to make money and there’s nothing wrong with that. This is just one case but important one to them because of the HMRC involvement – BDO will want to get future work from HMRC so I would bear that in mind before dismissing their investigation.

They will want to maximise the return to creditors but also to provide evidence of any wrongdoing they come across. Should any professional people be involved in that then that opens up sources to cash through professional liability insurance. Hector knows of many ways to skin cats.

Sorry I’ve been so long responding but just managed to get signed on.

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verselijkfcPosted on4:16 pm - Jun 11, 2013


From RTC: http://rangerstaxcase.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/index-spa.pdf

Project Charlotte (Share Purchase Agreement) 06-May-2011

Section 3 Consideration

3.1 – The consideration for the purchase of the shares shall be 1 GBP (receipt of which is acknowledged by the Seller)
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From the unpublished RFC Annual Report 2011 (Draft as at 10/11/2011) – Don’t think it ever saw the light of day? http://www.scribd.com/doc/146963855/Draft-RFC-Annual-Report-2011-10-11-2011

Section: Report of the Directors

On the 6 May 2011, The Rangers FC Group Ltd purchased 62,060,479 ordinary shares at 10p from Murray MHL limited and 37,448,489 ordinary shares of 10p from RFC Investment Holdings limited. C.T. Whyte is the beneficial owner of 100%of the Ordinary Share Capital of The Rangers FC Group ltd through his ownership of Liberty Capital limited, a company incorporated in the British Virgin Islands which owns 100% of the Ordinary Share Capital of The Rangers FC Group Ltd

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Am I financially illiterate and missing something simple or do the accounts show that approx 9,3m GBP was paid to MIH for the acquisition of the ordinary shares rather than the 1GBP stated in the RTC doc?

If this is correct then there would have been a shortfall between the money taken from TU and total costs of the acquisition that had to be funded from somewhere. If incorrect then please ignore…

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willmacufreePosted on4:17 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Auldheid are you there? Wrt the Ogilvie reelection scandal, is there any way we can find out from CP what way the voting went; how it was carried out; number of candidates; votes cast, etc? If Celtic FC are in any shape or form party to this perversity, then I’ll be losing faith. At the least, I’ll be starting to look for a clear-out of anybody involved in this sham.

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AllyJamboPosted on4:17 pm - Jun 11, 2013


john clarke says:

June 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm

Should the authorities decide to make a big enough noise about it then they might facilitate Charlotte making her document available for forensic examination. I’m sure there are computer whiz kids within the authorities that could prove one way or the other their veracity, if given the required access to whatever Charlotte has. I doubt though, that Charlotte would risk handing them over just on the off-chance that a proper investigation might ensue.

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CastofThousandsPosted on4:18 pm - Jun 11, 2013


TSFM, do you have malaware software?

I have been a bit concerned recently about unwanted intrusion as my hard disk seemed to be wearing out its spindle when I was on the site. An IT friend of mine recommended the following :

http://www.malwarebytes.org/lp/malware_lp/?gclid=CLaKkpGm3LcCFSXItAodulUA1w

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Reilly1926Posted on4:25 pm - Jun 11, 2013


I have sent the following e-mail to both info@uefa.com and contact@fifa.org

I reckon the only way to put an end to this charade is through their rules on clubs owing taxes.

Hopefully we get an end to this same club malarkey or they might just decide to pay the PAYE back.

Can I ask as many as possible to do likewise. (Feel free to copy and paste)

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Sir/Madam

THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB

The above Scottish football club, which replaced the previous entity, ( now in the process of liquidation) claims, rightly or wrongly, that both the Scottish Football Association (SFA) and yourselves regard it as the same club with the same history. While I have absolutely no problem with this I do have a real issue that they will be allowed to return to compete in Europe in a few years time while still owing many millions of pounds to the taxpayer of Great Britain.

I understand that part of the agreement prior to being given a license by the SFA to play in Scotland was that they agreed to pay all football debts. While I can see the reasoning behind this I am bewildered as to why this is seen as more important than the money owed to the ordinary person on the streets of Great Britain.

I would like your assurance that if The Rangers Football Club, SFA and UEFA see this club as a continuation of the previous club then they will not be given a license to play in European competitions until the taxpayers money has been agreed to be paid in full. I am sure that in these times of great austerity for most countries you would agree that the repayment of monies to the economy is only right and just.

I would appreciate your comments.

Regards,

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liveinhopPosted on4:27 pm - Jun 11, 2013


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easyJamboPosted on4:28 pm - Jun 11, 2013


http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/229028-scottish-fa-considering-investigation-into-rangers-links-with-whyte/

The Scottish FA is considering launching an investigation of links between Rangers and former owner Craig Whyte.

Scottish FA chief executive Stewart Regan said that it was yet to be decided if an inquiry would be set in motion to determine if Whyte had any connections to the club.

Regan said that findings from the Ibrox club’s own inquiry into the matter had been passed to the Scottish FA. That information has been reviewed and senior figures at Hampden are considering their next course of action.

Whyte was banned by the governing body from having any involvement in Scottish football following his time at Rangers and is being pursued by the Scottish FA for a fine levied as part of a disciplinary charge.

The former Rangers owner has since claimed that he was a director of Sevco 5088, which was formed in the initial stages of Charles Green’s buyout of Rangers’ assets. The Scottish FA requested information from Rangers about any connection with Whyte but was awaiting the outcome of the club’s own investigation.

That investigation, undertaken by Pinsent Masons LLP, failed to find any evidence of links between Whyte and Sevco Scotland – the company used by a consortium led by businessman Charles Green to acquire the club’s assets last year – or Rangers International Football Club plc.

However, Rangers did not comment on the investigation’s findings on the alleged links between Green, Whyte and Sevco 5088 – a separate company which had an exclusive deal with Rangers’ administrators to buy the club’s assets

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ecobhoyPosted on4:38 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Allyjambo says:
June 11, 2013 at 4:10 pm

re Charlotte’s latest tweets:

I notice that the invoice, presented to RFC on 26/5/11by MCR, was for same day payment.
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Good spot because of Terms of Engagement:

6.4 Our fees are payable on presentation of our invoices. Our invoices will be issued upon
the completion of each phase of work in the Scope.

So as the invoice was only for stage 1 of phase 1 why did they bill. It represents 50% of cost of completing Phase 1. So IMO either the info was taking longer than expected to get out of Rangers or they were getting worried about being paid. Also,in the agreement, there was a 10 day payment ‘holiday’ before interest charges are applied.

However Engagement Letter dated 9/05/11 but not signed by Whyte until 25/05/11 and invoice for payment issued next day on 26/05/11. They certainly seem to be quick off the mark in making sure they were paid.

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andyPosted on4:45 pm - Jun 11, 2013


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ecobhoyPosted on4:46 pm - Jun 11, 2013


john clarke says:
June 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm

But how to get them verified and referred appropriately?
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There might well be no need to get CF documents authenticated. The important thing is that CF reveals their existance. All a journo now needs to do is ask say D&P to comment on the their Letter of Engagement vis a vis the conflict of interest question.

Do they say ‘No Comment’ or we can’t confirm that Rangers were our client – that one won’t fly because it’s a matter of public record that they were. But what I’m trying to say is the MSM are sitting trying to claim they can’t use the CF docs for whatever reason they claim.

Simples – don’t use CF docs but just use the fact they exist to ask pertinent questions as you know what’s in them. Good journalists do it all the time and it’s what makes them good. Sports journos are incapable of this kind of journalism but then that’s why it’s being left to them.

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Caveat EmptorPosted on4:46 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Another Test!

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john clarkePosted on4:47 pm - Jun 11, 2013


easyJambo says:
June 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm

Good link, eJ, thank you.

Now, what does it mean?

Certainly suggests that CF’s material has been read, and that the SFA Board are in a bit of a dilemma: Hold an enquiry and damn themselves? Or take the MSM line that the CF material cannot be legally used?

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Exiled Celt (@The_Exiled_Celt)Posted on4:49 pm - Jun 11, 2013


RTC tweeting

Timothy Jellington ‏@JellyTim 1h
So @CharlotteFakes is @rangerstaxcase right? RTC re-emerged to champion CF, then returned to silence. Same M.O. of leaked documents.

Rangers Tax-Case Rangers Tax-Case ‏@rangerstaxcase 4m
@JellyTim For the avoidance of doubt, I am not @CharlotteFakes. However, I am a huge fan of her work and even a little jealous.

Edgar Blamm Edgar Blamm ‏@EdgarBlamm 48s
@rangerstaxcase @JellyTim @CharlotteFakes Ha! What do you make of general climate of Leveson-inspired fear among journos? Legit concern?

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SouthernExilePosted on4:50 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Good afternoon if this arrives!

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Caveat EmptorPosted on4:53 pm - Jun 11, 2013


Successfully TUPE’d over and it looks like Scunner Campbell is also gonna be around for a while so we still have work to do.
According to STV, SFA are ‘considering launching an investigation’ into Craig & Charles, past associations and existing relationships. Not holding my breath, but, could this, at last, be an acknowledgement that things are rotten in the State of Denmark?
Enjoying CF and find myself wondering if the drip feed of information is eroding the edifice. If only the MSM would grasp the nettle!

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ForresDeePosted on5:00 pm - Jun 11, 2013


john clarke says:
June 11, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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easyJambo says:
June 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm

Good link, eJ, thank you.

Now, what does it mean?

Certainly suggests that CF’s material has been read, and that the SFA Board are in a bit of a dilemma: Hold an enquiry and damn themselves? Or take the MSM line that the CF material cannot be legally used?

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It simply means they are looking for a loophole to get them out of the pickle that is:

For the avoidance of doubt, Sevco 5088 Limited bought the assets of the Rangers Football Club and then transferred them to Sevco Scotland Limited so that all the assets would be in the Scottish registered company that is Rangers FC. – Spokesman for Rangers 27th June 2012.

And the band played on.

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