The Immortality Project – or – Death and Denial – Guest Post by Humble Pie
Death has a tendency to put everything else into perspective.
My family recently suffered a bereavement. It wasn’t a sudden death but it was still far too quick and far too soon for any of us to get our heads around. As our loved one’s illness progressed, each of us, in our own way, began to prepare for the inevitable. In the end, whilst it was not unexpected, it was nevertheless very traumatic, for everyone concerned.
Grief is a strange and often debilitating set of emotions. Even now, a few months on, when the intense sadness and tears have given way (mostly) to disbelief, we still find it hard to fully comprehend what has happened. We might never completely ‘come to terms’ with that fact, however, we do accept that it DID happen, much as we all wish that it hadn’t.
Many of you will be familiar with the Kubler-Ross model of the five stages of grief; Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance. Well, I am aware of having experienced each of these stages over the last year, as well as a couple of others which I wasn’t prepared for (a lot of personal reflection, a little guilt and a not insignificant amount of pain).
It seems to me that the Rangers supporters have been purposefully ensnared in an interminable cycle of the first two stages of KR; alternating between the denial of the death of Rangers and anger at what they feel has been done to their beloved club then back again to denial. This, as any first year psychology student will tell you, is a very unhealthy state of mind which, if not addressed, can quickly lead to physiological and behavioural problems.
At its lowest level, for example, people throughout the ages have continued to set places at the dinner table for their long-dead loved ones. They know in their hearts that the person has died but are comforted by the familiarity of doing the same things that they have always done. However, in extreme cases people have even kept and maintained the actual cadavers of the deceased, dressed them, talked to them and watched TV with them, in a state of absolute denial.
In archaeology, accepting and recognising the inevitability of death through conducting ceremonial burial services is considered to be one of the very first signs of a civilised people. You see, grief is a uniquely human and cathartic process i.e. it can produce ‘a feeling of being cleansed emotionally, spiritually, or psychologically as a result of an intense emotional experience’.
In short, grief is ultimately a good thing which leads you through a series of natural psychological steps towards acknowledgement of an unalterable situation, allowing you to take stock, re-evaluate and start to move on with your own life in a positive way.
That is what should have happened with the fans of the old Rangers.
Instead, this ‘never-ending cycle of the undead’ was positively encouraged by those many unscrupulous individuals who saw a way of making a fast buck from maintaining the ‘Then, Now and Forever’ illusion. Worse still, this resurrection fantasy is being facilitated by the very people whom we have entrusted to stop this kind of thing from happening in the first place. If only the SFA or the MSM had told them the truth, they might have had a chance to actually face up to the situation.
Unfortunately, these two bodies were so complicit in Rangers demise, so right up to their necks in the brown smelly stuff, that they were too afraid to face the inevitable anger which would have rightly come their way. So, they made up grim fairy tales to feed to the bereaved souls about non-existent ‘holding companies’, the ethereal ‘club’ which transcends death and by suggesting that it is ‘all a matter of opinion’.
Ernest Becker, in his 1973 Pulitzer Prize winning book ‘The Denial of Death’, posits that “human civilization is no more than an elaborate, symbolic defence mechanism against the knowledge of our own mortality”. This fear of death acts as an emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival instincts.
‘By embarking on what Becker refers to as an ‘immortality project’, in which a person creates or becomes part of something which they feel will last forever, the person feels they too have become part of something eternal; something that will never die, compared to their physical body that will die one day’. When this ‘immortality project’ is threatened it leads inevitably to fear, depression, loss of identity and sense of purpose.
In that case, the initial reaction of the fans to the imminent demise of Rangers was entirely predictable and understandable. “No way, this can’t happen to us, we are the people”. However, as soon as the full realisation of their club’s inexorable slide into liquidation began to sink in, came the expected anger. But towards whom should their righteous wrath be directed?
“Who did this to us, who are these people?” they cried. “Not I”, said Sir Murray of the Mint, “for I was duped”, “Nor I”, said President Ogilvie, “for it was never my role”. “Nor I”, said Mr Smith, “for I never knew nothing or nothing”. “Not us”, squealed the media monkeys in unison, “for that’s what we were told”, “Nor us”, said the SPL “it was nothing to do with us”.
“Who then?, we demand to know who these people are”, howled the horrified hordes. “T’was the Whyte knight”, they all concurred, “he alone caused this calamity”. “And the bampots”, sneered the slimy slug. “And the taxman”, puffed the pundits. “And the unseen hand of Mr Lawwell”, whispered the bilious bears from the safety of their den.
There were even those who tried to warn them, not least Hugh Adam, Phil Mac and RTC but they didn’t want to know. Even when their very own Messrs Green and Traynor spelt out, in no uncertain terms, that liquidation meant the death of their club, still they chose wilful ignorance. The MSM, with access to the same information, encouraged them to keep their heads firmly ensconced, ostrich stylee, on the banks of that ironically blue and white river in Egypt. Which just goes to show ‘you can lead a lamb to knowledge but you can’t make it think’
The point though is that the Rangers fans have heard the truth and once you have heard something you cannot unhear it. Even if you reject it, even if you deny it, it gnaws away at the back of your mind, infecting your subconscious.
Almost a year ago, I posted the following on TSFM. http://theinternetbampot.wordpress.com/2012/09/ in which I postulated that the SFA were too frightened to say anything which might imply that The Rangers were a new club.
Looking back at that post, I am amazed at how little the landscape has changed.
A year on and it has become apparent that the corporate cancer that destroyed Rangers has continued to metastasize in its new host. Charlotte’s revelations may have shown us that the rabbit hole goes much deeper than we first suspected. However, in my humble opinion, the information provided has only succeeded in ‘poisoning the well’ and deflecting attention from the main culprits in this disaster. Layer upon layer of complexity has been added to an already opaque story and the majority of her utterances appear designed to engage the more enquiring minds on this forum and consume their excess mental energy.
I know that some people are bored with this ‘debate’ but, to my mind, the single most important step for the redemption of Scottish football is the fan’s acceptance that The Rangers, who currently ply their trade in the SPFL First Division, are a new club. Once they have accepted that then everything else that they perceive has happened to them will begin to make sense. They will see that rather than everyone having a fly kick at them when they were down, most were actually trying to help them. It will also dawn on them that the very people who have been telling them that there is an anti-Rangers conspiracy against them are actually the same ones who are screwing them over.
Rangers were not relegated to div 3, The Rangers applied as a new club and were granted entry into the bottom tier of Scottish football. They are not banned from European competition, merely ineligible as a new club without the requisite financial ‘history’. Any reference to ‘rulings’ from ECA, ASA, the BBC Trust and any internal or so-called ‘independent’ enquiries are completely irrelevant, as none of these bodies are the final arbiter in this case. Scots Law is clear that there is no distinction between club and company after incorporation, when the company dies the club dies with it. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.
Sooner or later The Rangers fans are going to realise this fact and when they do, there will be hell to pay. Until they do, their new club can never become truly cleansed. Only then can they move on and only then can they join together with fans of other clubs to root out the real cancer at the heart of Scottish football. That’s why the MSM and the SFA are still petrified to say anything. In the meantime the real creators of this disaster are sneakily positioning themselves further and further away from the scene of the crime.
I am sure the majority of us would happily accept a new Rangers, cleansed of its financial, emotional and supremacist baggage. A club that all decent Rangers fans could support without feeling any guilt about Rangers downfall or that they were being taken for mugs. The prospect of a new dawn in Scottish football, where sporting integrity took primacy and clubs lived within their means was very real. However, as usual the SFA couldn’t miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
The truth is that Scottish football is in the state it is in, not because Rangers died but because those with the power and mandate to effect the prognosis sat back and did nothing. I am sure that they believe that ‘time heals all wounds’ and that the longer this injustice is allowed to stand the more likely it will be accepted by the man in the street. No doubt the authorities feel it is in the national interest to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’. However I cannot accept this. I believe that it is vital that we are able to face up to reality so we can move on for the benefit of all football supporters.
Scottish football is at a crossroads right now, I think we all feel it. Rampant corruption has become so mainstream that many of our fellow supporters have began to accept this as the norm. However, it just doesn’t sit right with me and I suspect that many regular contributors and readers of this blog feel likewise.
We have quite lost our way and we live in a society which spends vast amounts of money paying people like Jack Irvine to ensure that we stay lost. The mainstream media treat us like little imbeciles and demand that we conform to their assumed ‘professional superiority’. The PR machine plays up to our stereotypes and feeds our fantasies while the poorest people pay to swallow their poisonous propaganda and relentless trivia.
So what can we do ? Clearly, battering out a few blog posts and strongly worded letters to the various authorities involved has been rewarded by the square root of FA.
How can we make this an opportunity for growth rather than contributing to the destruction of Scottish football ? It is not good enough to tear down a system unless we have a better system to replace it. However, I believe that it is not the system itself which is broken. It is that those charged with administering the system are hopelessly corrupted, hugely conflicted and unable to apply their rules without fear or favour.
By their incapacity and inaction (wilful or otherwise) the SFA have facilitated a motley crew of various spivs, chancers and con-artists to glean the last few meagre pickings from the bones of the emaciated loyal supporters of this new club purporting to be the once mighty Rangers. They have permitted these ne’er-do-wells to collectively appropriate many tens of millions of pounds from the Rangers fans, the creditors and the public purse. They have already allowed this corporate malignancy to spread to a new host, ‘The Rangers’, and the absence of ‘moral hazard’ makes it more likely that the disease will continue to spread.
Benjamin Franklin once said, “‘Nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.”
Someone else once said, “The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it’s just sort of a tired feeling.”
I sense that we are all beginning to get tired of this. It is time to stand together, all football fans, face the facts and direct our anger against the officers of the SFA who have allowed this sham to develop into a catastrophe.
I have no doubt that my humble opinions expressed here will raise the ire of many deluded souls. However, I am comfortable in the knowledge that the only people who get mad at you for speaking the truth are those that are living a lie.
RIP Big Man.
On a more considered note.
A company refuses to pay its most basic of Tax requirements and is therefore Liquidated.
This Is not a matter of opinion, only fact. That the level of debate on our radiowaves has been reduced to this, is an indictment of our society. Is this the last bastion of Samizdat ?
Did anyone else notice the way the SSB panel flapped and spluttered when any caller looked like pointing out the obvious fact of Sevco 2012 being a new club .
All ending in the old “it’s all about opinions ” bu*****it answer .
I am beginning to hope that Sevco 2012 get to the final of the SC and lose to the team that qualfies for the CL place ,somehow I don’t think the SFA are hoping for the same thing or for the 2nd time in recent years Sevco actually win the SC
Phil is reminding his twitter followers of a previous tweet …
@Pmacgiollabhain
“Last month I tweeted that we could enjoy the spectacle of #Sevco devouring itself. Well the coming week could be interesting.”
(21/09/2012)
9:02pm – 27 Sep 13
There’s been so much speculation here. I’d just absolutely love to see these mythical accounts. And a complete list of shareholders. And until then, I’ll be entirely sceptical of what’s going on at Ibrox. I’d be going too far to say I enjoy all the speculation here about what’s happening financially at Rangers, but it is certainly worthwhile to read all the theories here, especially given that many of them come from a Celtic background; worst case scenarios are good things to know. They help to keep one informed. Keep it up and then if the accounts finally come out we can have a right good analysis of them.
Incidentally, with regards to the Celtic Co-op bank thing, my two cents – its quite clear that Celtic have an unused overdraft facility with the Co-op and nothing more, what may be known to the bank as an undrawn commitment. The only note of caution I’d sound to Celtic in this regard is that if they ever plan to utilise this facility in the ordinary BAU course of a season, they should be wary given the financial state of the Co-op that the facility may be pulled at short notice, or the terms changed. If I were them, I’d bank with a more stable entity.
that sounds like some really professional phone in hosting clyde have there.
radio phone in I assume asks for callers to eh, call in.
caller calls in and puts his point to panel.
host – are you serious?
pundit 1 – go away
pundit 2 – shut up
the sony awards surely await.
Re: crap ‘journalists’.
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An interesting article about journalists, which I’m sure we can all relate to…
“Pulitzer-Prize-winning reporter Seymour Hersh lambasted fellow journalists as timid water-carriers, more interested serving higher ups than seeking out truth, in an interview with the Guardian. The 76-year-old, best known for his reporting on the My Lai massacre in Vietnam and prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib, railed against journalists he says are too soft on Obama. One of the stories he complains that no one is questioning: the Navy Seal raid that killed Osama bin Laden. “Nothing’s been done about that story, it’s one big lie, not one word of it is true,” Hersh said. He suggested the only fix for the broken profession is firings all around. Newspapers should get rid of 90 percent of “chicken-shit editors,” he said, and as for TV, he would, “close down the news bureaus of the networks and let’s start all over, tabula rasa.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/09/27/seymour-hersh-blasts-journos.html
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http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/sep/27/seymour-hersh-obama-nsa-american-media
Delbhoy
If that is true and hot on the heels of Sally agreeing to take a wage cut then IMO admin 2 is just about to hit .
I give them a month . 😛 🙂 😯 😆 🙄 😉
steviebc
don’t fancy that guys chances of the getting the Sevco gig if jabba hangs up his cloven boots
I know the general opinion of SSB and the likes, but hat off to the guys who phone, I’ve done it myself, stated the facts, redressed the changing of history these guys are attempting. And that is why you get the treatment off them. To dissuade you and others from phoning. Keep on calling, destroy the myth. What’s that saying about good men staying silent.
I will be Wullium from Larkhall tomorrow when I call (or similar
). And a nuisance if I get on, I don’t mind.
Some one line script notes would be useful, they have a script so it’s only fair. Any input welcome.
I genuinely hope clyde sees sense and bins this entire cabal. Johnstones just an idiot who headed the ball too often and cannot see beyond his beloved bears but keevins and delahunt know exactly what theyre doing and its shameful. shameful.
StevoCFC says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:05 pm
The push to realign Armistice Day away from remembrance and towards exploitation is not limited to Sevco. It comes all the way from the top:
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If the above post is correct we really have lost our way and the PR and Marketing gloss over merchants are in charge. I’m no big fan of the military but to relegate the prime reason for respecting and remembering the fallen and injured to an afterthought in a strategy aimed at “winning business” is sickening.
justshatered says:
September 27, 2013 at 7:47 pm
I posted a link the other day to a BDO document re timetables for accounts etc for al the different types of companies..
The trust of it was that there is a deadline for audited accounts to be filed with Companies House. However as we don’t know if we are talking RFCL or RIFC and what their finaicial years are then the whole thing is up in the air as to when they actually need to file final audited accounts.
My reading of the document was that the annual accounts only need to be discussd at an Accounts Meeting. However it is normnal custom and practice to present them to the AGM so they can be reviewed and then shareholders can make appropriate voting decisions based on the accounts.
The object is no doubt to be efficient in terms of save money by negating the need for multiple meeting and allowing shareholders to condier all relevant matters at the same time.
If they have an AGM and don’t provide the audited accounts then my reading is that the board would need to hold an Accounts Meeting at some point in the future.
If the accounts presented at the Accounts Meetings are bollocks then someone will call an EGM to get rid of the board.
Of course if the accounts aren;t provided for the 31st October meeting then a EGM will be called anyway.
For a club leaking money then they risk two or three meetings at £80k a pop or do they just go for bust on the 31st for one meeting at £80k
Not been about SFM for a few weeks, due to work but back this evening to news of TRFC calling the plod on Chris Graham and McCoist’s ‘voluntary’ pay cut. *rubs hands*
Right, now to read back over about 3,000 posts.
Galling fiver says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:16 pm
See my post above. Simply point out the differences in the Hearts v RFC points deduction re the holding company but then give them a glimmer of hope by agreeing that there was a holding company but then point out that The Rangers Group is not pending liquidation but still a company listed on Companies House.
Sometimes the simple facts are required for simple journalists.
If they still maintain they are the same club then ask why they, as journalists, haven’t demanded answers from the SFA as to why a club was relegated three divisions for going into administration?
After all it is not in the rules.
RyanGosling says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:12 pm
. The only note of caution I’d sound to Celtic in this regard is that if they ever plan to utilise this facility in the ordinary BAU course of a season, they should be wary given the financial state of the Co-op that the facility may be pulled at short notice, or the terms changed. If I were them, I’d bank with a more stable entity.
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“More stable entity” – Err every last one of them is stable because when they get into trouble you and I give them stability by underwriting their bad business practices and resulting losses. From my pocket and yours via the government straight to theirs.
Galling fiver what about asking why Sevco 2012 have been banned from Europe for as they have never played in a European compitition .
CG on the SPL investigation (farce ) into dual contracts .”We do not recognise the enquiry as we have never been part of the SPL .
The rule is that you have to have been a member of a football association for a minimum of 3 yrs and as such any other club would natuarally have 3 yrs audited accounts as they are apparently needed for a licence but we now seem to be led to believe a licence is not needed .
I would love to know why no licence is needed and if any other club has been told this .
anyone want to hazard a guess as to who the club involved may be
pau1mart1n says:
September 27, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Beat me to it, my friend. But the more absurd and hysterical their responses, the more they need to abuse their position by mocking their critics, the clearer it becomes that the end game is upon us. Just as Keevins, Young, Traynor, BFDJ et al grew ever more strident in their defence of Craigiebhoy in the final hours before administration of Rangers 1872 (Deceased) — which, they assured us relentlessly, would never happen — so too is it clear that it is all happening again.
But since you could not stitch shame, balls or brains on these people, the next version of Fourth Lanark FC will be just as much “Rangers” as the present disgusting incarnation. And so it will continue until there is no longer any entity worthy of notice. At which point, like Traynor’s claim of writing “many pieces” condemning the sectarian signing policies of old Rangers which, inexplicably, cannot be found, Hugh and Chic will claim that they said so all along. lol!
TBH, I’m past caring what they claim. I’ve scraped more brain cells off my shoe after stepping on doggy poo.
Galling fiver says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:16 pm
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I know the general opinion of SSB and the likes, but hat off to the guys who phone, I’ve done it myself, stated the facts, redressed the changing of history these guys are attempting. And that is why you get the treatment off them. To dissuade you and others from phoning. Keep on calling, destroy the myth. What’s that saying about good men staying silent.
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Bravo! You are right on with that sentiment …
I’d differ with you on that one Mrs Peacock because the Co-op aren’t really “too big to fail”. I doubt they’d get significant state support. And the (completely useless) rating agencies support that viewpoint.
For keevins to flourish, it only requires clyde to do better call screening ………..
To be fair to Delahunt and Keevins – it can’t be easy keeping your soul, let alone having an honest opinion when you work for these guys:
http://www.bauermedia.co.uk
“We Think Popular”
Absolute bottom of the barrel stuff.
It was so obvious that the guy on after the panel were flapping on the old club new club row ,spouted drivel about the Euro coificient points and was not challenged as to even up the score and end the programme with the “it’s all about opinions ” mantry .
IMO Oldco newco is a phrase thought up and agreed with all the most corrupt and comptemtable players in this disgraceful epsiode in the history of our game .
The fact that what went on at Ragers was shameful but no one could blame them for trying every dirty trick in the book to escape justice or get a reduced sentence .
What is the SPL /SFA /CO/BRYSON/LNS/SFO/BDO/D&P/HMRC/MSPs/MSMs excuse for their conduct in this sorry affair
StevoCFC says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm
To be fair to Delahunt and Keevins – it can’t be easy keeping your soul, let alone having an honest opinion when you work for these guys:
http://www.bauermedia.co.uk
“We Think Popular”
Absolute bottom of the barrel stuff.
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Agreed. If either of them had any respect for themselves they would get out but maybe the money is more important.
Thought the response of Keevins to the caller saying Sevco were a different club was truly astounding .
You have your opinion but you cannot browbeat the media into accepting your view (or words to that effect )
It truly does need to be listened to .
Brass neck and blow torch comes to mind
Danish Pastry says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Galling fiver says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:16 pm
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I know the general opinion of SSB and the likes, but hat off to the guys who phone, I’ve done it myself, stated the facts, redressed the changing of history these guys are attempting. And that is why you get the treatment off them. To dissuade you and others from phoning. Keep on calling, destroy the myth. What’s that saying about good men staying silent.
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Bravo! You are right on with that sentiment …
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As youse all know there’s hardly a night goes by when I don’t listen to SSB but I know what goes on there from my friend.
I don’t support either of the clubs previously described as the Old Firm. As the show is designed to keep the two greats in power ,even though one of them is Banquo’s ghost, I’m often tempted to phone in pretending to be a supporter of one or the other and rummel them up a wee bit. However, my thunder has been stolen by fans of the only two clubs in the West of Scotland doing exactly that. Trust them to monopolise the wind up as well as everything else.
So, the Spivs are taking Chris Graham and Follow Follow to court
the question for you all is this
WHO DO YOU WANT TO WIN?
Stenny .
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barry-ferguson-me-paul-le-2308945
Barry – son of FERGUS . . .giving his account of his . . . Barry Ferguson – v – Le Guen / monster munch battle.
Barry was in Engerlund for a number of years recently.
I guess nobody told him – during his time away – Rangers went into LIQUIDATION and have not emerged.
SEVCO bought the assets and have been pretending to be rangers (sic), and have been fleecing the blue sheep ever since.
Anyway, I’m sure Barry has still got Allan Mcgregor’s phone number! or Steven Naismith’s or Steven Whittaker’s phone number. . .maybe even Steven Davis’ too
. . .perhaps he can call either of these former Rangers players and ask
. . .why, if you had a contract with RANGERS, did you not stay at Rangers ?
Seeeeeeeeeebbbbbbbbbbo !!!
Oh my poor sides.
SSB makes me chuckle
Keevins makes me laugh
DJ makes me really laugh
New club answers (all pundits included) sends me into fits
Deid club keeps me in hysterics every day
Please do not let it come to a similar end as I would virtually die laughing.
Makes me think of Groundhog Day for some reason.
NTHM
That really would be a dilema for LNS ,were’s Sandy Bryson when you need him
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
September 27, 2013 at 9:07 pm
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So, the Spivs are taking Chris Graham and Follow Follow to court
the question for you all is this
WHO DO YOU WANT TO WIN?
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Another huge distraction? Keeps idle minds occupied.
Jim Larkin @ 9-15pm
So true Jim, Its a bad day when a 1-0 win at Forfar is seen as a great result. Son of Fergus is another without an honest opinion on the Spivery taking place at his beloved deid Football club.
Some desperate stuff going on in the Marble halls of Moonbeam house just now. When the next Admin/Liquidation strikes what will they call themselves if they re-emerge from the contaminated womb of the SFA?
Third Rangers …………………?
Seems like the bears have found solace in the fact that Brian Stockbridge has told a wee birdy that the accounts will be out on October 10.
This is where sevcologic kicks in and if the accounts are out on October 10 then that means they must have been signed off,if they have been signed off then that means the accountants see the company remaining a going concern for the next 12 months.
All that remains to do is have another share issue and unite the board and they are halfway through “the journey back to where they belong”.Throw in a couple of 3 million pound players and maybe 3 x 2 million pound players and they are ready to take their rightful place at the top of Scottish football.
And here I was thinking that all is not well down Ibrox way,but you cant discount sevcologic or should I say denial ,because that is what is going on at Ibrox,and in the newspaper offices and the tv studios, and it is up to us to keep on phoning and writing and speaking out because if we dont then we have come a long way for nothing.
JL
What a great puff piece for the DRs newest recruit .
It had all the WATP bluster of his now dead old club and I thought the WS brought the old values back pash rounded it off well .
What I do have to say though is what has this got to do with Sevco 2012 or is Wattie going to take over from his apprentice when the real Ragers men finally emerge from the shadows after the old clubs shameful fall to extinction only to ask the gullible fans to dig deep to fund tribute act 2
chancer67 says:
September 27, 2013 at 9:38 pm
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Seems like the bears have found solace in the fact that Brian Stockbridge has told a wee birdy that the accounts will be out on October 10.
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hahahahahhahahha
the truth is, they are operating under the belief that audited accounts must be published and distributed 21 days before the AGM and as the AGM is on 31st Oct, then accounts MUST be out on 10th
no wee birdy, just a hopeful bear
of course, AGm isnt set/confirmed for Oct 31st and there is no requirement for accounts to be completed by that date – so long as they are published 6 months after year end (which for RIFC PLC is december 2013)
a little knowledge (in a bears empty mind) is a dangerous thing
http://news.stv.tv/west-central/241189-rangers-report-forum-poster-to-police-over-threatening-comment/
Without a doubt the news coming out of Ibrox must make dreadful reading for all those in the blue corner. Hardly a day goes by without further bad news. Surely someone at Ibrox should have thought about employing a good PR man to put his own spin on things and soften the blow.
Can’t think of anyone myself suitable to the post, can you.
LW
Oh dear looks like the s**t is very much about to hit the fans
What did the club think about Sally demanding to know the names of panel members which led to police intervention .
No need to answer that one though it’s all about agendas .
If the current regime have turned on floggen floggen then that will only end in tears IMO as Floggen floggen will prevail and any entity that emerges from the ashes of liquidation 2 will be a disease on Scottish football for years to come .
God help us all (and that includes real Sevco 2012 fans ) if that mob get any control over the tribute act
You have to laugh though ,of all the disgraceful bile to emerge from that site the only ones to get police attention was when the sevco football club reported them
We were not paraniod enough
fergusslayedtheblues says:
September 27, 2013 at 10:00 pm
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LW
Oh dear looks like the s**t is very much about to hit the fans
What did the club think about Sally demanding to know the names of panel members which led to police intervention .
No need to answer that one though it’s all about agendas .
If the current regime have turned on floggen floggen then that will only end in tears IMO as Floggen floggen will prevail and any entity that emerges from the ashes of liquidation 2 will be a disease on Scottish football for years to come .
God help us all (and that includes real Sevco 2012 fans ) if that mob get any control over the tribute act
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If I could, I would refer you to one of my posts on RTC where I foresaw two separate clubs. One followed by the decent fans interested in nothing but the football side of things, and the other, dragged down by the Follow Followers, the Vanguard Bears and other similarly insidious types.
Charlotte at it again on Twitter. Can someone take a screen grab. Suggesting that Charles hasn’t done walking away and asking Ally to back Mather. Interesting.wonder how long it will stay up before someone takes action to have it removed
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I hope all the clubs remaining in the LC attract more lost fans to become supporters again .
IMO it is harder to get long term supporters back to the games than it is to attract new supporters .
Scottish football needs both
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 5m
Did Charles ever really leave?
1. http://i.imgur.com/yE4mAC6.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/G4oyzRf.jpg
3. http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/4678-craig-mather-statement …
4. http://i.imgur.com/4xmozuu.jpg
Details
EDIT, screenshots taken
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 16m
@PJBHoops Walter was stitched up by Stockbridge and Traynor. He only ever agreed to be interim chairman. Investors and supporters misled.
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jimlarkin says:
September 27, 2013 at 9:15 pm
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barry-ferguson-me-paul-le-2308945
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The wost part of this so called column or journalistic piece is the high level of IMBECILTY within it. Who even allowed this cringe fest to be published. Standards have dropped since Big Jimbo the Liar left.
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I understand the resolution has passed legal inspection and will find its way on to the Celtic AGM agenda.
I have no idea of the stance Celtic will take but this is due process being applied;
paulsatim says:
September 27, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 16m
@PJBHoops Walter was stitched up by Stockbridge and Traynor. He only ever agreed to be interim chairman. Investors and supporters misled.
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That’s a curious tweet from CF.
The Cardigan shouldn’t have been an interim Chairman either – or even a NED for that matter.
He admitted in as many words that he didn’t have the requisite business knowledge and skills.
The fact he chose to take on those roles – and presumably for payment – confirms that he was fully complicit with the spivs – even if only to sell ST’s.
If there was any misleading being done, then the Cardigan’s actions indicate that he was going along with it.
paulsatim says:
September 27, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 5m
Did Charles ever really leave?
1. http://i.imgur.com/yE4mAC6.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/G4oyzRf.jpg
3. http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/4678-craig-mather-statement …
4. http://i.imgur.com/4xmozuu.jpg
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EDIT, screenshots taken
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Why are all the revelations a month behind the curve when access is so easy?
[Very un-Echobhoy like and intemperate EB]
Lord Wobbly
I always knew that there would be a tribute act to fill the void that the death of Ragers left .
I would have been all to happy to accept this new club starting on the bottom rung of the Scottish set up (although that was giving them a hand up over teams such as Spartans ) and looked forward to meeting them in the SPL when they got there
That was of course until I saw the make up of the tribute act and the disgusting behaviour of the peepil running our game .
If you ask me the whole lot of them could not have handled the situation any worse than they have .
Instead of standing up and stating the complete facts thus letting the Rangers fans see exactly where the real blame lay regards the death of Rangers 1872 and because the culprit had shot the craw before the crash all their anger would be aimed at him and not the new regime ,they just played along with the pretense and plan that had been put in place .
Now we find ourselves in the situation that faces us right now .
The tribute act were always going to play the siege mentality line ,they are all against us line ,lets stand together and don’t let our enemies get the better of us .I would expect nothing else and I ave no doubt my club would have persued the same line if it was us.
What I don’t think my club would have got was the total backing of the peepil in the 6th floor or the MSM and I mean the TOTAL backing .
IMO the depth of rule breaking/bending and the almost complete one way agenda is both revealing and worrying for our game and any other Scottish football fan that believes that Celtic and Rangers (now dead) are treated the same in our game must surely becoming less in their numbers .
With that I state my biggest worry of what has went on and what I expect to see when Sevco reach the SPFL ,we have been told upteen times that the SPL needed a STRONG Sevco (not just a Sevco) so when Sevco reach the SPFL and they are made to live within their mans and pay all taxes due (stop laughing at the back ) how are the powers that be ,that have bent and broken so many rules to get them there going to ensure they are strong .
If for instance sevco find themselves in the SPFL and on the cusp of top 6 bottom 6 on the final game before the split ,does the rule bending/breaking stop or does it just go a wee bit further ,after all would a bottom 6 Sevco be seen as STRONG .
The MSM have told us all how important a STRONG Ragers is to Scottish football so I am assuming that any controversy in the result would not be scrutinized too much (that’s the aftermath taken care of ).
Paulsatim
So has Walter also been duped .
That makes
SDM
Ticketus
CW
Wattie
All claiming to have been DUPED IMO the pieces of the jigsaw are falling into place .
IMO this is where the whole charade resides .
Nice that those in power at Ibrox are taking a stand against those threatening members of the board and are not condoning such behavior on blogs and forums.
However a bit late in the day being that anyone dipping a toe into the murky waters of some blue tinted sites can pick any number of veiled threats to anyone who questioning what is going on at Ibrox.
Also given their record for not doing very much at all when other people have been threatened to date for commenting on Trigger’s Broom I don’t hold out much hope of the Polis doing much.
Auldheid says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Bawsman says:
September 27, 2013 at 8:47 am
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I understand the resolution has passed legal inspection and will find its way on to the Celtic AGM agenda.
I have no idea of the stance Celtic will take but this is due process being applied;
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Oh come on – you can do better than that. We all know which way this will go.
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September 27, 2013 at 11:20 pm
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Lord Wobbly
I always knew that there would be a tribute act to fill the void that the death of Ragers left.
I would have been all to happy to accept this new club starting on the bottom rung of the Scottish set up (although that was giving them a hand up over teams such as Spartans ) and looked forward to meeting them in the SPL when they got there
That was of course until I saw the make up of the tribute act and the disgusting behaviour of the peepil running our game.
If you ask me the whole lot of them could not have handled the situation any worse than they have.
Instead of standing up and stating the complete facts thus letting the Rangers fans see exactly where the real blame lay regards the death of Rangers 1872 and because the culprit had shot the craw before the crash all their anger would be aimed at him and not the new regime, they just played along with the pretense and plan that had been put in place.
Now we find ourselves in the situation that faces us right now.
The tribute act were always going to play the siege mentality line, they are all against us line, lets stand together and don’t let our enemies get the better of us. I would expect nothing else and I have no doubt my club would have persued the same line if it was us.
What I don’t think my club would have got was the total backing of the peepil in the 6th floor or the MSM and I mean the TOTAL backing.
IMO the depth of rule breaking/bending and the almost complete one way agenda is both revealing and worrying for our game and any other Scottish football fan that believes that Celtic and Rangers (now dead) are treated the same in our game must surely becoming less in their numbers.
With that I state my biggest worry of what has went on and what I expect to see when Sevco reach the SPFL, we have been told upteen times that the SPL needed a STRONG Sevco (not just a Sevco) so when Sevco reach the SPFL and they are made to live within their mans and pay all taxes due (stop laughing at the back ) how are the powers that be ,that have bent and broken so many rules to get them there going to ensure they are strong.
If for instance sevco find themselves in the SPFL and on the cusp of top 6 bottom 6 on the final game before the split ,does the rule bending/breaking stop or does it just go a wee bit further ,after all would a bottom 6 Sevco be seen as STRONG.
The MSM have told us all how important a STRONG Ragers is to Scottish football so I am assuming that any controversy in the result would not be scrutinized too much (that’s the aftermath taken care of).
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Scottish football doesn’t need a ‘Rangers’. That is just a myth perpetuated by those who wish to preserve the twisted status quo. I’m not going to pretend that Scottish football wouldn’t be enhanced by the presence of a decent ‘Rangers’, because that would be silly. But Scottish football (and Scottish society) would be infinitely better off without the sort of ‘Rangers’ that we’ve had to endure up to now.
It’s time for the decent Rangers fans to step forward before it’s too late.
Auldheid, Bawsman and DP. My question to you all is “Is it possible under the rules setting out an item for the AGM agenda that the Board can seek to water down the resolution presented and so remove any sting that could rebound on the club?
Lord Wobbly says:
September 27, 2013 at 9:46 pm
http://news.stv.tv/west-central/241189-rangers-report-forum-poster-to-police-over-threatening-comment/
“The board finds it inexplicable that so called supporters of the club are bringing Rangers into disrepute by this appalling behaviour”.
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Ironic or what…
Lord Wobbly says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:49 pm
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“Scottish football doesn’t need a ‘Rangers’.”
Just as well, LW, since Rangers are dead.
Once everyone accepts that fact, we can begin to move on and start to prepare for the death of Sevco. You can be sure this upcoming event is going to send the bears into Flamingo Land once and for all.
On that basis it seems Third Rangers might not be too far off…… Got a nice ring to it don’t you think?
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Lord Wobbly says:
September 27, 2013 at 9:46 pm
http://news.stv.tv/west-central/241189-rangers-report-forum-poster-to-police-over-threatening-
comment/
“The board finds it inexplicable that so called supporters of the club are bringing Rangers into disrepute by this appalling behaviour”.
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Ironic or what…
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Rhetorical I presume…
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Auldheid says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Bawsman says:
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I have no idea of the stance Celtic will take but this is due process being applied;
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Oh come on – you can do better than that. We all know which way this will go.
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Lord Wobbly says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:49 pm
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“Scottish football doesn’t need a ‘Rangers’.”
Just as well, LW, since Rangers are dead.
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You’ll have spotted the ‘ ‘ (?) where I infer that Scottish football doesn’t need any Ibrox club.
Equally, I pointed out the fact that Scottish football would be enhanced by a decent Ibrox club.
Will we ever see a decent Ibrox club? I really hope we will.
Scottish football fans need to encourage and support the decent Rangers fans.
Scottish football fans AND the decent Rangers fans need to unite against those who wish to persist in dragging Scottish football (and Scotland generally) into the trenches.
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Auldheid, Bawsman and DP. My question to you all is “Is it possible under the rules setting out an item for the AGM agenda that the Board can seek to water down the resolution presented and so remove any sting that could rebound on the club?
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I doubt it could be done and certainly resolutions themselves, since they are already in the public domain would be seen to have been “watered down”.
Resolutions put to Celtic by the CST in the past have been reported verbatim in the Annual Report sent to all shareholders and responded to in the same report by Celtic setting out their position.
regarding Rangers accounts:
I can hardly keep up with this thread any more, but can someone add dates when each body requires them please?
1. Companies House – I know they can be accommodating if you can’t produce accounts on time (3-6 months grace)
2. AIM accounts – stricter with timescales, but are reluctant to make a fuss.
3. SPL/SFA/Whatever they’re called today/ – not going to scrutinise anything if they can help it
4. UEFA – see above
5. The constitution of the club/company presumably gives deadlines for meetings – do they specify *audited* accounts must be available for those meetings
‘ Ally McCoist on Friday night revealed he has taken a wage cut in a bid to help Rangers slash costs.
The Ibrox boss and his management team have agreed to a reduction in their salaries amid fears much of the £22million raised last December through an institutional share issue has been wiped out.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2436100/Ally-McCoist-takes-Rangers-pay-cut.html
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Amid fears? Shirley he’s up to his neck in confirmations of the fact!
And as for the ‘wage cuts’, they are only at least two years too late.
Sad day for me: the Warriors are going to the home ground of a club which tried to punt them out the league almost 50 years ago, yet they will probably take their biggest away support outside of Stirlingshire for many a year.
Most Stenhousemuir fans seem oblivious to the facts.
I hoped they’d (the new club/company) have gone down the tubes before this, and although it will probably happen shortly, it won’t be soon enough for me.
Mind, the poison from Govan doesn’t just affect one team.
“The board finds it inexplicable that so called supporters of the club are bringing Rangers into disrepute by this appalling behaviour. These people are not welcome at Ibrox.
Just when it doesn’t suit you.
These people are accommodated at Ibrox every other week, its just when their ire is turned inward it gets unsavoury. Disgusting. A sham of a club.
Ryan gosling at 8:35
Ryan, I’ve gone along with quite a lot of what you’ve said on this blog over a period ,most times disagreeing with what you’ve stated but,nevertheless given you credit for saying so.However,now you are getting at the Co-Op Bank,a mainstay for me for most of my adult life.What is that about?Given that,in the murky world of banking,the Co-Op bank is head and shoulders above any other in terms of ethics,
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When Mather made his statement in August and it was dutifully reproduced in the rags, I thought I was reading War & Peace at first. I wondered at the time who drafted such a long-winded load of drivel for the Honourable Chairman. Now I know. It was none other than the Ibrox PR guru dancing to the tune of Sir Charles Green. Toxic Jack must have been peeing himself laughing when he read that guff. No wonder Mather was obliged to re-engage the infamous Mr Irvine after that load of tripe. There are now rumours that Jim Traynor has thrown in the towel. Does that mean we won’t see the word ‘robust’ featuring in any future RIFC press release?
Auldheid says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm
‘….I understand the resolution has passed legal inspection and will find its way on to the Celtic AGM agenda.
I have no idea of the stance Celtic will take but this is due process being applied;..’
Drew Peacock says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:31 pm
‘..Oh come on – you can do better than that. We all know which way this will go.’
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It would be helpful if anyone knew of any precedent for this kind of action by a supporters’ group.
Because this could be a defining moment.
Supporters, as such, have no power to require Uefa to take action to investigate malfeasance or general buggering-about by a National association.As I understand legals to say, they have no’ locus’ in the matter.
But clubs are very susceptible to influence by their own ticket paying base.And there lies the ‘locus’ of fan power.
Celtic have in recent years been ready to listen to, and hold dialogue , with their fan base as represented by the Celtic Supporters’ Associations and the Celtic Trust.
The Celtic Board ( on which, I need hardly say, I do not sit!) have a respectful attitude to the seriously considered position of sensible people reflecting the democratically decided views of those supporters’ organisations.
Now, it would seem to me that
a) where there is a huge groundswell of , not just ‘Celtic’ but of general Scottish football opinion, that serious questions have to be asked about the Administration of the game by the National Association,
and b) where the Board of any club is being hard pressed by its own fans to exercise, on their behalf, its rights under UEFA rules to have these questions asked in the appropriate forum,
that that Board would have to find pretty cogent, and convincing , reasons for refusing to do so.
If it is indeed the case that the Trust’s motion will be on the agenda, it is my expectation that the debate on that motion will allow the Celtic Board the opportunity to accept that
the motion is sound,
and is entirely justified (by the responsibiilty they have to their supporter/ shareholders, and the wider football world
and therefore yield to the motion, rather than talk it down and outvote its acceptance.
We will get an indication of the Board’s response to the motion in the AGM’s agenda.
The response will have to be open and honest.
And there can be nothing more open and honest than acknowledging that the motion is sound in itself.
The question then is whether, ultimately, adopting the motion is in the best interests of the shareholders
.
You and I know that ‘Truth’ is ultimately in the best interests of everybody, including shareholders.
My view has aye been that Celtic had and has no more duty or right than any other club to accept any leadership role in challenging the irregularity of the SFA and SFL.
But, they do have some kind of legal duty to respond to their shareholder supporters ( and a moral/business duty to listen to their non-shareholder supporters/customers).
And this may be the chance of a breakthrough.
The Celtic Board may very well decide that a shareholder resolution to be debated and voted upon at an AGM, as being in the best interests of the shareholders, allows them the ‘political’ leeway not to vote against it.
In accepting the motion, they would be reflecting the wishes of their shareholders.
Unlike some new company .
Who knows?
But it could be very interesting
Lamp Post Sannies says:
September 27, 2013 at 4:38 pm
‘..this is a great review of the recent Forfar-Rangers game. ‘
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Thank you for that , LPS. What is the source, of the Spanish report? I mean, which Spanish journo was there to see the game and which newspaper did his/her report appear in?
The computer translation is hilarious, but bears no relationship to the Spanish.
I enjoyed it.
?Che?
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/rangers-fans-torn-between-rebel-and-light-blue-sea-1-3116658
An attempt!
selfassessor says:
September 28, 2013 at 5:29 am
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An attempt!
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Yes, well done Gibbons, especially for the last part on Mr Irvine:
“The latter, himself a former tabloid editor, was roasted for his readiness to blacken the names of his employers’ opponents with some lacerating postings on Twitter. This reprehension of Media House was a startling renunciation of the paper’s previous accommodating policy towards the company.”
This paragraph has me slightly confused. What paper is he referring to? The Sun? Has the editor’s big red pen been over this piece? Irvine may have been roasted on twitter (“lacerating postings” an oblique reference to CF? Or is this referring to Irvine’s own tweets?), however, this article is more a gentle sauté than a roasting. Still very tasty though.
Whyte front-page news. Back page is Ally’s pay cut and Christian Purslow being lined up by McColl to be part of a new, new regime. Quite a week:
http://twitpic.com/df63h3
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September 28, 2013 at 2:59 am
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Auldheid says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm
‘….I understand the resolution has passed legal inspection and will find its way on to the Celtic AGM agenda.
I have no idea of the stance Celtic will take but this is due process being applied;..’
Drew Peacock says:
September 27, 2013 at 11:31 pm
‘..Oh come on – you can do better than that. We all know which way this will go.’
———–
It would be helpful if anyone knew of any precedent for this kind of action by a supporters’ group.
Because this could be a defining moment.
Supporters, as such, have no power to require Uefa to take action to investigate malfeasance or general buggering-about by a National association.As I understand legals to say, they have no’ locus’ in the matter.
But clubs are very susceptible to influence by their own ticket paying base.And there lies the ‘locus’ of fan power.
Celtic have in recent years been ready to listen to, and hold dialogue , with their fan base as represented by the Celtic Supporters’ Associations and the Celtic Trust.
The Celtic Board ( on which, I need hardly say, I do not sit!) have a respectful attitude to the seriously considered position of sensible people reflecting the democratically decided views of those supporters’ organisations.
Now, it would seem to me that
a) where there is a huge groundswell of , not just ‘Celtic’ but of general Scottish football opinion, that serious questions have to be asked about the Administration of the game by the National Association,
and b) where the Board of any club is being hard pressed by its own fans to exercise, on their behalf, its rights under UEFA rules to have these questions asked in the appropriate forum,
that that Board would have to find pretty cogent, and convincing , reasons for refusing to do so.
If it is indeed the case that the Trust’s motion will be on the agenda, it is my expectation that the debate on that motion will allow the Celtic Board the opportunity to accept that
the motion is sound,
and is entirely justified (by the responsibiilty they have to their supporter/ shareholders, and the wider football world
and therefore yield to the motion, rather than talk it down and outvote its acceptance.
We will get an indication of the Board’s response to the motion in the AGM’s agenda.
The response will have to be open and honest.
And there can be nothing more open and honest than acknowledging that the motion is sound in itself.
The question then is whether, ultimately, adopting the motion is in the best interests of the shareholders
.
You and I know that ‘Truth’ is ultimately in the best interests of everybody, including shareholders.
My view has aye been that Celtic had and has no more duty or right than any other club to accept any leadership role in challenging the irregularity of the SFA and SFL.
But, they do have some kind of legal duty to respond to their shareholder supporters ( and a moral/business duty to listen to their non-shareholder supporters/customers).
And this may be the chance of a breakthrough.
The Celtic Board may very well decide that a shareholder resolution to be debated and voted upon at an AGM, as being in the best interests of the shareholders, allows them the ‘political’ leeway not to vote against it.
In accepting the motion, they would be reflecting the wishes of their shareholders.
Unlike some new company .
Who knows?
But it could be very interesting
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Isn’t it FIFA who govern football? UEFA I thought just administered their own competition.
The worrying thing for me is what sanction relating to CL football could be applied to the scottish game viz the SFA – ban all SFA teams from CL for 10 years?
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September 28, 2013 at 1:05 am
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Sad day for me: the Warriors are going to the home ground of a club which tried to punt them out the league almost 50 years ago, yet they will probably take their biggest away support outside of Stirlingshire for many a year.
Most Stenhousemuir fans seem oblivious to the facts.
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They’re not the only ones. It only rang a faint bell with me. But I found this short article from back then. Note the reference to ‘threats’ 🙄
http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/images/1964/1964052601.htm
taxman cometh says:
September 28, 2013 at 7:58 am
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Kinda bizarre take on proceedings is that.