The Immortality Project

The Immortality Project – or – Death and Denial – Guest Post by Humble Pie

Death has a tendency to put everything else into perspective.

My family recently suffered a bereavement. It wasn’t a sudden death but it was still far too quick and far too soon for any of us to get our heads around. As our loved one’s illness progressed, each of us, in our own way, began to prepare for the inevitable. In the end, whilst it was not unexpected, it was nevertheless very traumatic, for everyone concerned.

Grief is a strange and often debilitating set of emotions. Even now, a few months on, when the intense sadness and tears have given way (mostly) to disbelief, we still find it hard to fully comprehend what has happened. We might never completely ‘come to terms’ with that fact, however, we do accept that it DID happen, much as we all wish that it hadn’t.

Many of you will be familiar with the Kubler-Ross model of the five stages of grief; Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance. Well, I am aware of having experienced each of these stages over the last year, as well as a couple of others which I wasn’t prepared for (a lot of personal reflection, a little guilt and a not insignificant amount of pain).

It seems to me that the Rangers supporters have been purposefully ensnared in an interminable cycle of the first two stages of KR; alternating between the denial of the death of Rangers and anger at what they feel has been done to their beloved club then back again to denial. This, as any first year psychology student will tell you, is a very unhealthy state of mind which, if not addressed, can quickly lead to physiological and behavioural problems.

At its lowest level, for example, people throughout the ages have continued to set places at the dinner table for their long-dead loved ones. They know in their hearts that the person has died but are comforted by the familiarity of doing the same things that they have always done. However, in extreme cases people have even kept and maintained the actual cadavers of the deceased, dressed them, talked to them and watched TV with them, in a state of absolute denial.

In archaeology, accepting and recognising the inevitability of death through conducting ceremonial burial services is considered to be one of the very first signs of a civilised people. You see, grief is a uniquely human and cathartic process i.e. it can produce ‘a feeling of being cleansed emotionally, spiritually, or psychologically as a result of an intense emotional experience’.

In short, grief is ultimately a good thing which leads you through a series of natural psychological steps towards acknowledgement of an unalterable situation, allowing you to take stock, re-evaluate and start to move on with your own life in a positive way.

That is what should have happened with the fans of the old Rangers.

Instead, this ‘never-ending cycle of the undead’ was positively encouraged by those many unscrupulous individuals who saw a way of making a fast buck from maintaining the ‘Then, Now and Forever’ illusion. Worse still, this resurrection fantasy is being facilitated by the very people whom we have entrusted to stop this kind of thing from happening in the first place. If only the SFA or the MSM had told them the truth, they might have had a chance to actually face up to the situation.

Unfortunately, these two bodies were so complicit in Rangers demise, so right up to their necks in the brown smelly stuff, that they were too afraid to face the inevitable anger which would have rightly come their way. So, they made up grim fairy tales to feed to the bereaved souls about non-existent ‘holding companies’, the ethereal ‘club’ which transcends death and by suggesting that it is ‘all a matter of opinion’.

Ernest Becker, in his 1973 Pulitzer Prize winning book ‘The Denial of Death’, posits that “human civilization is no more than an elaborate, symbolic defence mechanism against the knowledge of our own mortality”. This fear of death acts as an emotional and intellectual response to our basic survival instincts.

‘By embarking on what Becker refers to as an ‘immortality project’, in which a person creates or becomes part of something which they feel will last forever, the person feels they too have become part of something eternal; something that will never die, compared to their physical body that will die one day’. When this ‘immortality project’ is threatened it leads inevitably to fear, depression, loss of identity and sense of purpose.

In that case, the initial reaction of the fans to the imminent demise of Rangers was entirely predictable and understandable. “No way, this can’t happen to us, we are the people”. However, as soon as the full realisation of their club’s inexorable slide into liquidation began to sink in, came the expected anger. But towards whom should their righteous wrath be directed?

“Who did this to us, who are these people?” they cried. “Not I”, said Sir Murray of the Mint, “for I was duped”, “Nor I”, said President Ogilvie, “for it was never my role”. “Nor I”, said Mr Smith, “for I never knew nothing or nothing”. “Not us”, squealed the media monkeys in unison, “for that’s what we were told”, “Nor us”, said the SPL “it was nothing to do with us”.

“Who then?, we demand to know who these people are”, howled the horrified hordes. “T’was the Whyte knight”, they all concurred, “he alone caused this calamity”. “And the bampots”, sneered the slimy slug. “And the taxman”, puffed the pundits. “And the unseen hand of Mr Lawwell”, whispered the bilious bears from the safety of their den.

There were even those who tried to warn them, not least Hugh Adam, Phil Mac and RTC but they didn’t want to know. Even when their very own Messrs Green and Traynor spelt out, in no uncertain terms, that liquidation meant the death of their club, still they chose wilful ignorance. The MSM, with access to the same information, encouraged them to keep their heads firmly ensconced, ostrich stylee, on the banks of that ironically blue and white river in Egypt. Which just goes to show ‘you can lead a lamb to knowledge but you can’t make it think’

The point though is that the Rangers fans have heard the truth and once you have heard something you cannot unhear it. Even if you reject it, even if you deny it, it gnaws away at the back of your mind, infecting your subconscious.

Almost a year ago, I posted the following on TSFM. http://theinternetbampot.wordpress.com/2012/09/ in which I postulated that the SFA were too frightened to say anything which might imply that The Rangers were a new club.

Looking back at that post, I am amazed at how little the landscape has changed.

A year on and it has become apparent that the corporate cancer that destroyed Rangers has continued to metastasize in its new host. Charlotte’s revelations may have shown us that the rabbit hole goes much deeper than we first suspected. However, in my humble opinion, the information provided has only succeeded in ‘poisoning the well’ and deflecting attention from the main culprits in this disaster. Layer upon layer of complexity has been added to an already opaque story and the majority of her utterances appear designed to engage the more enquiring minds on this forum and consume their excess mental energy.

I know that some people are bored with this ‘debate’ but, to my mind, the single most important step for the redemption of Scottish football is the fan’s acceptance that The Rangers, who currently ply their trade in the SPFL First Division, are a new club. Once they have accepted that then everything else that they perceive has happened to them will begin to make sense. They will see that rather than everyone having a fly kick at them when they were down, most were actually trying to help them. It will also dawn on them that the very people who have been telling them that there is an anti-Rangers conspiracy against them are actually the same ones who are screwing them over.

Rangers were not relegated to div 3, The Rangers applied as a new club and were granted entry into the bottom tier of Scottish football. They are not banned from European competition, merely ineligible as a new club without the requisite financial ‘history’. Any reference to ‘rulings’ from ECA, ASA, the BBC Trust and any internal or so-called ‘independent’ enquiries are completely irrelevant, as none of these bodies are the final arbiter in this case. Scots Law is clear that there is no distinction between club and company after incorporation, when the company dies the club dies with it. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.

Sooner or later The Rangers fans are going to realise this fact and when they do, there will be hell to pay. Until they do, their new club can never become truly cleansed. Only then can they move on and only then can they join together with fans of other clubs to root out the real cancer at the heart of Scottish football.  That’s why the MSM and the SFA are still petrified to say anything. In the meantime the real creators of this disaster are sneakily positioning themselves further and further away from the scene of the crime.

I am sure the majority of us would happily accept a new Rangers, cleansed of its financial, emotional and supremacist baggage. A club that all decent Rangers fans could support without feeling any guilt about Rangers downfall or that they were being taken for mugs. The prospect of a new dawn in Scottish football, where sporting integrity took primacy and clubs lived within their means was very real. However, as usual the SFA couldn’t miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

The truth is that Scottish football is in the state it is in, not because Rangers died but because those with the power and mandate to effect the prognosis sat back and did nothing. I am sure that they believe that ‘time heals all wounds’ and that the longer this injustice is allowed to stand the more likely it will be accepted by the man in the street. No doubt the authorities feel it is in the national interest to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’. However I cannot accept this. I believe that it is vital that we are able to face up to reality so we can move on for the benefit of all football supporters.

Scottish football is at a crossroads right now, I think we all feel it. Rampant corruption has become so mainstream that many of our fellow supporters have began to accept this as the norm. However, it just doesn’t sit right with me and I suspect that many regular contributors and readers of this blog feel likewise.

We have quite lost our way and we live in a society which spends vast amounts of money paying people like Jack Irvine to ensure that we stay lost. The mainstream media treat us like little imbeciles and demand that we conform to their assumed ‘professional superiority’. The PR machine plays up to our stereotypes and feeds our fantasies while the poorest people pay to swallow their poisonous propaganda and relentless trivia.

So what can we do ? Clearly, battering out a few blog posts and strongly worded letters to the various authorities involved has been rewarded by the square root of FA.

How can we make this an opportunity for growth rather than contributing to the destruction of Scottish football ? It is not good enough to tear down a system unless we have a better system to replace it. However, I believe that it is not the system itself which is broken. It is that those charged with administering the system are hopelessly corrupted, hugely conflicted and unable to apply their rules without fear or favour.

By their incapacity and inaction (wilful or otherwise) the SFA have facilitated a motley crew of various spivs, chancers and con-artists to glean the last few meagre pickings from the bones of the emaciated loyal supporters of this new club purporting to be the once mighty Rangers. They have permitted these ne’er-do-wells to collectively appropriate many tens of millions of pounds from the Rangers fans, the creditors and the public purse. They have already allowed this corporate malignancy to spread to a new host, ‘The Rangers’, and the absence of ‘moral hazard’ makes it more likely that the disease will continue to spread.

Benjamin Franklin once said, “‘Nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.”

Someone else once said, “The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it’s just sort of a tired feeling.”

I sense that we are all beginning to get tired of this. It is time to stand together, all football fans, face the facts and direct our anger against the officers of the SFA who have allowed this sham to develop into a catastrophe.

I have no doubt that my humble opinions expressed here will raise the ire of many deluded souls. However, I am comfortable in the knowledge that the only people who get mad at you for speaking the truth are those that are living a lie.

RIP Big Man.

 

3,959 thoughts on “The Immortality Project


  1. There’s a definite ‘end of days’ feeling around Govan these days. How many senior staff are finding their access to files restricted? How many are finding their access to cash is now via a previously unheard of line management structure? Has the head of communications had anything to say about his ‘difficult meeting’ with the external PR company?
    How much did CG get for his 1p shares?
    Who is threatening to whistle blow at the SFA?

    All good, clean fun!!!!!


  2. Just read mr patey,s effort,unbelievable there are men who sit in their local in a constant drunken haze who have more of an idea of what’s going on at the Govan funfair than him.


  3. RyanGosling says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Jean – that’s kind of what I was getting at. The MSM (outside of comments sections) doesn’t allow dialogue. Forums such as this and Twitter do. Hence my original question. And TSFM kind of summed up what I was getting at more, in that Charlotte’s reach was beyond just the Twitter feed. But I don’t want to labour the point and clog up the forum any more – I’ll respond to anything more directed at me on this but won’t raise anything more as I believe I’ve now said my piece – posed a question, had better information provided to me, agreed with it to a major extent.

    An underlying point though is that MSM rules / laws, even excusing incompetency, mean that we’ll never get the info from the MSM that we got from Charlotte. And from here, and loads of other forums. People can draw their own conclusions as to what has the most value, but even as a Rangers fan joining in what is widely held among “ra peepil” (to use a term from here!) to be a bit of a Celtic forum, I log on here during each day to get a handle on what’s happening in the Rangers world, not the Daily Record or the Sun. And not Rangers Media, which unfortunately I find that my IQ is great enough that I find it hard to comprehend.

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    RyanGosling, I was unaware of sites like this for a good time. I never read the MSM other than to get the results and an occasional match report. I did read stories on the Yahoo/EuroSport web site. I would also occasionally read the comments posted there for the very occasional piece of information that was available there not found elsewhere. However, the vast majority of the comments are tit-for-tat insults of the most infantile and puerile sort.

    It was only when my brother-in-law pointed me in the direction of Paul McConville’s that I discovered there are bloggers and commenters who could not only discuss the issues in an adult and an entertaining manner but also many contributors who could and do investigate the issues in great depth and provide new aspects for consumption and further review in a way that puts the MSM to shame.

    The point being that I was unaware of sites like RTC and ScotsLawThoughts (where, unfortunately the comments are rapidly heading towards the Yahoo/EuroSport level) until around the time that TSFM was being created. So not everyone who should know, does know.

    So the MSM not only has a duty to report in the state of the game in Scotland, they should be using what is known on sites like TSFM and twitter and conducting their own investigations and who knows, they might even be able to break a story of their own (it that pushing it a bit too far? )

    I am glad that you contribute on here and that you gain more information than you do in the MSM but you cannot assume that everyone else is as aware as you are and provide an excuse for the MSM to shun their responsibilities to their readership.


  4. What’s the Neil pat(s)ey stuff all about…got a link to his latest p1shhh?


  5. ecobhoy says:

    September 7, 2013 at 9:51 am
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    The SB should have been EB – apologies. It was late and my typing was a bit off. I was not referring to the tabloids’ knowledge of CtH, but their readership’s knowledge.
    The general point was that Charlotte, has much greater reach and penetration than the downloads of the docs and the Twitter following would suggest.

    Yes there is to some extent a “closed pool”, but it is becoming bigger – a modest rate of growth but still growth. However I agree that MSM coverage of Charlotte would open it up to a wider audience.

    My guess about the reluctance of reputable journalists is that it stems from their perception of the basis for CtH motives. Despite my wish to have wider coverage of the issue, I find myself in some agreement with that sentiment. A lot of eggs on a lot of faces if and when CtH’s motives become clear if reputable journalists find they have been used as pawns in somebody else’s chess game..


  6. ecobhoy says:
    September 6, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    beatipacificiscotia says:
    September 6, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    mirrenman says:
    September 6, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Read section 8 re: Deed of Novation – the transfer of obligations from Sevco 5088 to the Company:
    “The Company acknowledged this deed could not currently be located and a new draft was tabled at the meeting for approval and ratification”. That will take a bit of explaining, and I’d like to hear that explanation.
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    The heart of the matter ❗ And I have a wee feeling that CW might have the original deed 🙄

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    You are right, Ecobhoy, this is the heart of the matter. The “Deed of Novation” either does not exist, or does as the result of fraud. Sounds like one was cobbled up to extract more money from Rangers. More fraud? If anyone wondered whether Craig Whyte might actually have a claim, I think that document just put those doubts to rest.

    This is the single most explosive document released by Charlotte and the references to Sevco 5088 and the “Deed that never was” is a truly “WOW” moment. We have had bickering and gossip since on this site – come on people, Charlotte has just dropped the bomb!


  7. beatipacificiscotia says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:27 am
    You are right, Ecobhoy, this is the heart of the matter. The “Deed of Novation” either does not exist, or does as the result of fraud. Sounds like one was cobbled up to extract more money from Rangers. More fraud? If anyone wondered whether Craig Whyte might actually have a claim, I think that document just put those doubts to rest.
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    Sadly though, the here and now is that if the media ignore it, which they most certainly will, nothing will matter.


  8. TSFM says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:27 am

    My guess about the reluctance of reputable journalists is that it stems from their perception of the basis for CtH motives. Despite my wish to have wider coverage of the issue, I find myself in some agreement with that sentiment. A lot of eggs on a lot of faces if and when CtH’s motives become clear if reputable journalists find they have been used as pawns in somebody else’s chess game..
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    If there is corruption to be exposed a decent Journalist should not care who benefits from its exposure. Right now it is hard to avoid the conclusion they, or at least their Editors, simply don’t want to report in a negative light about Rangers to that extent.


  9. torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
    September 6, 2013 at 10:07 pm
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    Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 3m

    RIFC PLC minutes 13 Feb 2013 Orlit, Hearts, Stadium, Chairman and Puggies amongst the highlights. http://www.scribd.com/doc/166133137
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    Point 5.4 basically means that Sevco bought their licence?


  10. TSFM says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:27 am
    ecobhoy says:
    September 7, 2013 at 9:51 am

    My guess about the reluctance of reputable journalists is that it stems from their perception of the basis for CtH motives. Despite my wish to have wider coverage of the issue, I find myself in some agreement with that sentiment. A lot of eggs on a lot of faces if and when CtH’s motives become clear if reputable journalists find they have been used as pawns in somebody else’s chess game.
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    Personally I’m convinced that the decision not to use the CF material was never down to individual journos but set by editors and above. No journo will ever admit to an outsider that their crusader’s cape has been hung in the wardrobe by their boss so on issues where the ‘word’ comes down to back-off then they do so but cook-up an excuse to save face.

    It’s easy to do as it’s seldom a direct order but more a bit of a sand-dance or soft-shoe shuffle to allow for face saving and smoothing ruffled feathers.

    Near the beginning of the CF disclosures I asked a number of journos that I know well why their particular organisation wasn’t running her stories. I was fascinated by the answers because of the variety of different ones proferred but none identified an instruction from senior management. Occasionally since I have returned to the question and asked other journos and it still remains a bit of a curate’s egg and a lot of the original justifications have altered as well.

    Virtually every tip-off a journo gets whether from a known and trusted source or an anonymous one is from someone with an axe to grind and often there is an element of chess strategy as well with the true target heavily disguised. However that has never ever been a problem to running a story – if you can suss the motive all to the good but if you can’t then you tread warily and be ultra-cautious. There are another group of tipsters whose only motive is to make money and they are often the dregs of society but I have never seen a journo or media organisation turn their nose-up if the story is good enough to sell papers which is the bottom line and little, if anything, to do with morality.

    The whole point of CF’s material is that it provide info that could be used to investigate and produce stories that fitted the editorial ‘line’ of a media organisation which might not necessarily match that of CF or her backers whom I have never been too interested in.

    I recently took a rain-check on CF because of the audio she released which damaged/hurt people who weren’t in any way involved in the ‘story’. This coincided with what I have perceived to have been a shift in CF’s ‘style’ dating from the mass deletions on her twitter account.

    However last night’s main release is a mother-lode for journalists and if not acted upon means that there isn’t a courageous journo or news organisation in Scotland worthy of its salt and we may need to wait longer than I had hoped to begin the cleansing of Scottish Football.


  11. What now, that CF has been closed down. What power this dead club has in our society. Things would change IF the SMSM took up the mantle and run with CF material. Who really thinks this will occur.
    Like Sevco we may need a CF number 2 to keep the truth out there. We have great bloggers and will always maintain they are a new club and we will not be moved or silenced. Is that enough I do not know.
    Scotland needs a strong Independant presss not people like Mr Irvine, shame on him.


  12. Danish Pastry says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:54 am

    RIFC PLC minutes 13 Feb 2013 Orlit, Hearts, Stadium, Chairman and Puggies amongst the highlights. http://www.scribd.com/doc/166133137
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    Looks like this has now been removed. I guess Jack is working most weekends these days. I don’t suppose there is any other way of viewing it?


  13. valentinesclown says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Valentine, i suspect that Charlotte had his/her own reasons for announcing she was going dark. No doubt we will learn more in due course, if we sit by the river long enough….


  14. My take, and correct me if I’m wrong, is that CF overnight has put the possibility up that the last year of new club/old club bickering has been 10 months we could have argued over for nothing.

    Because, if Sevco5088, and in effect Whyte, has a reasonable claim to the keys to the big hoose (c.) big hoose guy, then it’s over for the Sfa, the Spfl, the Govan club, the 2012-13 div 3 season, etc etc etc.

    Am I reading this correctly or am I suffering from an extreme case of bampottery

    If I am right then there isn’t a hope in hell that the MSM, the Sfa, or for that matter any member club delving deeper to find out, it’s only Whyte that can take this further, and past form suggests it won’t happen as he seems full of threats for legal action without ever reaching m’lud


  15. jimlarkin says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:26 am
    What’s the Neil pat(s)ey stuff all about…got a link to his latest p1shhh?

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    Not latest p1shhhh. jimlarkin but ‘analysis’ of sevco 1 st year anniversary of liquidation and predictions on BBC site Feb…..embarrassing with 6 months of hindsight but embarrassing at the time also IMHO


  16. I’m hoping Off the Ball will take up the challenge this afternoon;

    1. Attacks on a fellow journalist.
    2. Novation by a one man board, possibly a valid claim by Whyte?
    3. Match-day income from a charity match – that surely has to be an open goal and must be seen not as ‘good faith’ but simple theft!

    But, I’m not holding my breath.

    Inaction, lies and deception seem to be the only constants in this saga!


  17. upthehoops says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:11 am
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    Danish Pastry says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:54 am

    RIFC PLC minutes 13 Feb 2013 Orlit, Hearts, Stadium, Chairman and Puggies amongst the highlights. http://www.scribd.com/doc/166133137
    ===========================================
    Looks like this has now been removed. I guess Jack is working most weekends these days. I don’t suppose there is any other way of viewing it?
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    It’s still there, I’ve just been through the six pages …


  18. upthehoops says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:54 am

    If there is corruption to be exposed a decent Journalist should not care who benefits from its exposure. Right now it is hard to avoid the conclusion they, or at least their Editors, simply don’t want to report in a negative light about Rangers to that extent.
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    I agree with what you say but you have to understand that this goes way beyond Rangers. It’s the feeling pf power that comes from being courted by The Establishment, as an editor, as not only a leading opinion-former in Scotland but as someone who can change society.

    I actually believe that if there was no referendum campaign underway that CF material would have been run by SMSM without any problem because, quite simply, there is nothing stopping a paper doing so. We all know what is going on in Scotland with every political party terrified of alienating any section of voters and we all know the potential that football in Scotland has for doing that in ‘normal’ times let alone at what is a critical juncture for Scotland.

    Not only the future of politicians but that of political parties depend on the outcome of the referendum and it seems apparent to me that they are all happy to observe a conspiracy of silence over the corruption at the core of Scottish football as evidenced by the Rangers debacle.

    I doubt if many journos put morality before a scoop – it’s not in the general make-up of the beast although there has been a tiny handful over the years who have done so and often their ‘reward’ has been to be shown the door because a journo with a sense of morality can be a danger to the editorial line.

    However I digress because the collective decision to smother the CF material has nothing to do with individual morality but, indeed, the exact opposite.


  19. ecobhoy says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:07 am
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    Clearly you know some journos personally. Their availability to me is restricted to occasional politely written e-mails for which I generally receive polite replies. Recently I asked a very prominent scribe the Charlotte question and got a one word reply stating ‘Leveson’. I find this get out clause quite tiresome to be honest.


  20. ollielogie says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:18 am
    =================================
    Interesting, I’m getting some kind of garbled message saying it’s unavailable.


  21. ForresDee says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:20 am
    I’m hoping Off the Ball will take up the challenge this afternoon;
    1. Attacks on a fellow journalist.
    2. Novation by a one man board, possibly a valid claim by Whyte?
    3. Match-day income from a charity match – that surely has to be an open goal and must be seen not as ‘good faith’ but simple theft!
    =============================

    And a categorical statement that TRFC are a new club and that TRFC supporters should go and look at the evidence before shooting any more messengers.

    In fact, they should go and have a look at what is now happening at TRFC/RIFC before their own Armageddon Part Deux arrives….

    Scottish football needs the truth to be told on this issue.


  22. upthehoops says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Danish Pastry says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:54 am

    RIFC PLC minutes 13 Feb 2013 Orlit, Hearts, Stadium, Chairman and Puggies amongst the highlights. http://www.scribd.com/doc/166133137
    ===========================================
    Looks like this has now been removed. I guess Jack is working most weekends these days. I don’t suppose there is any other way of viewing it?
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    Still there – but don’t worry too much about Jack as he’ll be billing the extra hours against guess who? And he surely won’t need to pay the legal bill to get stuff about himself or his company removed as I would have thought that could also be billed against his client 🙄


  23. ecobhoy says:
    September 6, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    And Walter sends his apologies to the meeting of the Board that knifed Malcolm Murray – och well I suppose you’ve got to make sure you don’t tramp through shit when wearing the brown brogues. Loyalty most certainly seems to be in serious short supply at Ibrox. Hope there are enough lifeboats when ‘Abandon Ship’ is signalled and it’s every spiv and swag bag for themself.
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    I note too that Murray, Cartmell and Smart were all able to join the meeting by phone. Was Walter off getting Chick Young’s head removed from his lower anatomy?

    Scottish football needs a strong Arbroath.


  24. 7.

    COMMERCIAL REPORT

    7.1

    The commercial report was discussed and it was pointed out that there were a number of commercial income streams that were being developed including media, in stadium WIFI and proposals for a members bar with gaming machines at Edmiston House.

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    Puggies! The future is secure


  25. upthehoops says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:36 am
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    ollielogie says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:18 am
    =================================
    Interesting, I’m getting some kind of garbled message saying it’s unavailable.

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    I got that too, UTH. Try a different browser. That worked for me


  26. scottc says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:48 am

    COMMERCIAL REPORT

    7.1

    The commercial report was discussed and it was pointed out that there were a number of commercial income streams that were being developed including media, in stadium WIFI and proposals for a members bar with gaming machines at Edmiston House.

    ================================================

    RIFC can rest easy as JT is in charge of the stadium WIFI project. Some initial confusion I understand as he thought they meant the Stadium Wifie (cleaner) but that has been resolved and doubtless we shall soon have a press announcement about the world record erection JT is having to make this happen.

    Perhaps JT may have to amend that wording slightly….. 🙂

    Scottish football needs clarity on RIFC’s WIFI claims – “We Isnae Financially Insolvent”.


  27. Danish Pastry says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:10 pm
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    Charlotte getting a mention now as well.


  28. ForresDee says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I’m hoping Off the Ball will take up the challenge this afternoon;

    1. Attacks on a fellow journalist.
    2. Novation by a one man board, possibly a valid claim by Whyte?
    3. Match-day income from a charity match – that surely has to be an open goal and must be seen not as ‘good faith’ but simple theft!
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    First two check, last one maybe a little too far.

    Two out of three ain’t bad!

    The second point covered without mentioning the actual documents, how come a comedy show can cover this but ‘proper’ journalists won’t. I think I know the answer!


  29. scottc says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:48 am

    7.1 COMMERCIAL REPORT

    The commercial report was discussed and it was pointed out that there were a number of commercial income streams that were being developed including media, in stadium WIFI and proposals for a members bar with gaming machines at Edmiston House.
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    Puggies! The future is secure
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    And in keeping with Rangers tradition there will be no pay-outs to the Bears and 100% of the money gambled will be retained by the ‘machine’.

    Obviously this puggy factor explains the recent new directorships of Mather and Stockbridge in the companies associated with Rangers gambling activities that I posted last week.


  30. Some time ago I posted about the relevance of the Duff and Phelps binding deal with Sevco 5088 to purchase the oldco’s assets. I stated at the time that there would need to be a novation document between Sevco 5088 and Sevco Scotland to accommodate the company switch. Duff and Phelps, for all their sins, would not have proceeded with the Sevco Scotland transaction without one as they would be liable to the shareholders of Sevco 5088 for reneging a binding deal. The Duffers may not be my flavour of any month but they are not going to take that sort of risk, especially as they were getting their money from Sevco 5088 anyway,
    I have always held that the Sevco 5088/Sevco Scotland situation was a pivotal situation and CF;s documents points out that the most serious document in this regard…The Novation…………has gone missing. This is impossible. Who drew up the document…was it the legal team….with no copies anywhere….or was it a forged document that convinced the Duffers but might not stand up to more scrutiny and had to dissappear. The Duffers copy would not have dissappeared for certain or if it has, there is a two way conspiracy in this scenario. This document is crucial and should, if the Duffers have it, be the subject of detailed scrutiny.


  31. upthehoops says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:27 am
    ecobhoy says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:07 am
    =================================
    Clearly you know some journos personally. Their availability to me is restricted to occasional politely written e-mails for which I generally receive polite replies. Recently I asked a very prominent scribe the Charlotte question and got a one word reply stating ‘Leveson’. I find this get out clause quite tiresome to be honest.
    =============================================================
    More than tiresome – it’s an insult to our morality and intelligence ❗


  32. 100BJD says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Spot on. I’m wondering if this is what the Knock Knock Neo crack was aimed at?


  33. ollielogie says:
    September 7, 2013 at 8:13 am

    “I think you’ve got to look at where Rangers was less than a year ago: in administration, facing liquidation, potential debts in excess of £100m with a very large tax case. They’re now a newco, debt-free, just had a very successful IPO raising in excess of £20m.” (Neil Patey)

    So, tell me Neil, RFC was FACING liquidation until Charles Green waved his magic wand and, hey presto, everything is now rosy in the Ibrox garden?

    What planet is Patey on? Had Toxic Jack come out with that tosh then I would have called for the men in the ice-cream coats to take him away for urgent mental treatment.

    Danish Pastry says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I wonder if Walter Smith was aware that his good friend the Chairman was about to get the chop from Green at the board meeting on 13 Feb 2013? Does that explain why Sir Cardigan “sent a sick-note” thus leaving his old pal, Malcolm, to his own fate?


  34. Neil ‘Airbrush’ Patey ( partner in Ernst & Young – former highly respected accountancy firm)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21458998

    http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/airbrush

    * alter or conceal (a photograph or a detail in one) using an airbrush:

    * represent or describe as better or more beautiful than in reality:

    We’ve got the picture, Neil, both ‘before’ and ‘after’.

    We’ll stick with ‘before’ – and, don’t call us, we’ll call you.


  35. 100BJD says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Some time ago I posted about the relevance of the Duff and Phelps binding deal with Sevco 5088 to purchase the oldco’s assets. I stated at the time that there would need to be a novation document between Sevco 5088 and Sevco Scotland to accommodate the company switch. Duff and Phelps, for all their sins, would not have proceeded with the Sevco Scotland transaction without one as they would be liable to the shareholders of Sevco 5088 for reneging a binding deal. The Duffers may not be my flavour of any month but they are not going to take that sort of risk, especially as they were getting their money from Sevco 5088 anyway,
    I have always held that the Sevco 5088/Sevco Scotland situation was a pivotal situation and CF;s documents points out that the most serious document in this regard…The Novation…………has gone missing. This is impossible. Who drew up the document…was it the legal team….with no copies anywhere….or was it a forged document that convinced the Duffers but might not stand up to more scrutiny and had to dissappear. The Duffers copy would not have dissappeared for certain or if it has, there is a two way conspiracy in this scenario. This document is crucial and should, if the Duffers have it, be the subject of detailed scrutiny.
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    I agree with absolutely everything you have said and only have one quibble. If my memory is correct and I’ll need to check on another computer which I don’t have to hand – the only shareholder of Sevco 5088 Ltd listed at Companies House was Green and he was the subscribing shareholder. OK I know that there have been later moves and documents provided by CF suggesting that Whyte and Earley were directors of Sevco 5088 albeit not listed on Companies House.

    But if at the time of the novation if Green was the sole shareholder and D&P knew that – would they have taken his word (stupidly) or not looked at the document that closely.

    I am not even touching on what was going on between CW and DG or D&P but there is a stench arising from this missing document and as you say if it ever existed then there are copies.


  36. Billy Boyce says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:42 pm
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    I wonder if Walter Smith was aware that his good friend the Chairman was about to get the chop from Green at the board meeting on 13 Feb 2013? Does that explain why Sir Cardigan “sent a sick-note” thus leaving his old pal, Malcolm, to his own fate?
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    Looks cowardly doesn’t it. So much for dignity.


  37. 100BJD says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Absolutely spot on, the mysterious “Deed of Novation” not being available is nonsense. D&P will have had something in writing to convince them to transfer assets to Sevco Scotland. Such an important document will be in a number of safe places.

    They are hiding something, something crooked, and I want to see it exposed. This is the pivot point in whole rotten story.


  38. ecobhoy says:

    September 7, 2013 at 12:46 pm

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    100BJD says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:

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    Clause 6.1 “It was noted that in order to replicate the share structure of Sevco 5088″……suggests there was a structure plus his subscriber shares get a seperate mention. 5088 probably did not file a return although there was an agreed shareholder list ready to go. I am presuming Craigybhoy, as I have always said, is on that list……although not quite making it to the other list at Sevco Scotland.


  39. Re off the ball
    Tam Cowan doesn’t like to rock the boat too much and wishes all this Charlotte stuff would go away.

    Second rate comedian not in the same league as his sidekick Stuart imho


  40. beatipacificiscotia says:
    September 7, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    They are hiding something, something crooked, and I want to see it exposed. This is the pivot point in whole rotten story.
    +++++++++++
    A valid novation agreement required the agreement of Duff & Phelps. So Duff & Phelps must have a copy, if a valid novation agreement ever existed. On the evidence of the Board Minutes, it seems to me almost certain that the whole deal was switched from Sevco 5088 to Sevco Scotland simply on Green’s say so, and without any valid novation agreement. You can’t put that right afterwards, unless nobody objects. In this case, Whyte is crying foul.

    What I cannot understand is why Whyte doesn’t take them to court now. Unless negotiations to pay Whyte off are currently underway? But where’s the money to pay him off? He won’t be settling for peanuts, that’s for sure. Maybe another call for funds to the Bear family? Or is some blue knight going to pay off Whyte with their own money? No, didn’t think so. So yet another share certificate for baby Bear this Christmas? I think he’d prefer a tangerine and a shiny sixpence, to be honest.


  41. I don’t know if this is a genuine Jim Traynor tweet, it seems incredible if it is. He appears to be extolling the virtues of bigotry at Ibrox. (saw the link to it on PMGB’s twitter)

    Even though he’s now nailed his colours completely, as opposed pretending not to, to, TRFC, I’d have expected a man in his position, at a ‘club’ already in trouble with UEFA for this very thing, to, at the very least, avoid attaching his name to anything smelling of bigotry. Andy Goram, on the other hand, well that sort of thing is expected of him! Notice how Goram revels in the roll of the bully’s fag 🙂

    https://twitter.com/JimTranor/status/376294676464414720/photo/1


  42. 100BJD says:
    September 7, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Obviously the attempt by Green to voluntarily strike-off Sevco 5088 Ltd last December, if it had been successful, would have seen any documentation including Board decisions, accounts and returns no longer necessary.

    That’s why Whyte and Earley arrived as directors and then there was the tussle over the registered office and the strike-off suspended on 3/05/13 and interestingly suspended again on 8/08/13. I don’t know if there was an attempt to reimpose the strike-off or whether once made it has to be repeated at say 3 month intervals.

    But as some of us have always suspected the key lies with Sevco 5088 and I am quite sure the SFA is well aware of that as well and it may be the hook on which they too eventually swing.


  43. neepheid says:
    September 7, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    What I cannot understand is why Whyte doesn’t take them to court now. Unless negotiations to pay Whyte off are currently underway?
    =====================================================
    I think you may have hit the nail on the head – and one of the reasons that CF gives for going ‘dark’ this weekend is that CW would get a better settlement figure.

    You’re right to wonder about where the cash is coming from to pay Whyte – it would need to be a lump sum paid offshore or I’m sure it would be nabbed. So he’s not looking for a pension paid by the stadium getting rented – he will want readies 😉


  44. RFCL Board Minutes 31 October 2012
    17.3 On SPL Media Archive Rights
    17.4 Imran Ahmad has suggested to SPL a solution to link Rangers’ website via Youtube which SPL are considering.
    Ok SPL Media Archive Rights, but-

    Neil Doncaster has requested a meeting with Imran Ahmad on the 6th of November to discuss a commercial idea they have for Rangers.

    As chief executive of the Scottish Premier League in October 2012, what would he be doing talking to Mr Ahmed? Should it not have been David Longmuir talking to Mr Ahmed?


  45. ecobhoy says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Going on the assumption that D&P understand all this company stuff (and you must assume that they do) then there are only two conclusions you can come to:

    – the document exists, in which case it has forged signatures of Messrs Whyte and Earley, or
    – it doesn’t exist and the Novation was done on a nod and a wink from Green.

    If either of these are the case, Imran Ahmad presented false documentation to the Rangers Board to claim back the £250K paid by Sevco 5088. Remember, a large portion of this was paid by Craig Whyte. Where is this court case that Whyte had promised? Where is the press scrutiny of this sham? SFA, where are you?


  46. I seem to have a weekly go at Chick Young but I really do feel the need to do so again.

    Firstly, is it too much to ask that a pundit with the national broadcaster does enough research to check the population of Belgium before making comparisons live on air with that of Scotland?

    Secondly, Chick came away with a statement that really does my head in whenever and wherever it is applied. He opined that Belgium ‘could have scored 4 or 5 if they really wanted to.’ It was left to Derek Ferguson to ask him if the reaction of the Belgians at the end suggested they played the entire game in second gear. Such statements as that by Chick Young have absolutely no basis in fact and in my view are used to demean the losing team.

    It really is time the licence fee money paid to Chick was given to someone who has even half an idea what he is talking about.


  47. Beatipacificiscotia says, @2.26pm. I am wondering where is Aiden Earley these days, if he is a signator to shares in Sevco 5088, Why has he not surfaced and threatened to sue Green, Duff and Duffers as has CW. If he can prove the “novation” was falsified, he is onto a winner.


  48. The mystery deepens wrt SEVCO 5088 Ltd ❗

    I started to look at the various London Gazette entries wrt Sevco 5088 Ltd and my eye was attracted to the latest one on 3/07/2013 which states: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, PURSUANT TO SECTION 1098 OF THE COMPANIES ACT 2006, OF THE REMOVAL FROM THE REGISTER OF ANY DOCUMENT SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTIVE DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS OR OF ANY MATERIAL DERIVED FROM SUCH A DOCUMENT.
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    Section 1098: Public notice of removal of certain material from the register
    1407. Section 1077 provides for the registrar to give public notice that she has received certain documents relating to a company in the Gazette or through some other form of publication. This section creates a corresponding obligation for her to give notice where she removes such material.
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    So what is the material and why was it removed ❓

    The only other hint from the Gazette is this entry:

    SEVCO 5088 LIMITED 08011390 (C2) 03/07/2013
    SEVCO 5088 LIMITED 08011390 (C2) 03/07/2013
    SEVCO 5088 LIMITED 08011390 (C2) 03/07/2013
    SEVCO 5088 LIMITED 08011390 (C2) 03/07/2013

    (C2) is: NOTIFICATION OF ANY CHANGE AMONG THE COMPANY’S DIRECTORS.

    But I don’t know if that means that the notifications of change involving 4 directors have been removed and possibly others more skilled in this area can assist.


  49. ianjs says:
    September 7, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    RFCL Board Minutes 31 October 2012
    17.3 On SPL Media Archive Rights
    17.4 Imran Ahmad has suggested to SPL a solution to link Rangers’ website via Youtube which SPL are considering.

    Ok SPL Media Archive Rights, but- Neil Doncaster has requested a meeting with Imran Ahmad on the 6th of November to discuss a commercial idea they have for Rangers. As chief executive of the Scottish Premier League in October 2012, what would he be doing talking to Mr Ahmed? Should it not have been David Longmuir talking to Mr Ahmed?
    ===============================================
    Don’t know if you noticed that the SUN are doing a promotion whereby you can sign-up to see all SPFL Premier goals AND those of Rangers. Might explain the cozy recent relationship with the SUN and Rangers.

    But I thought all the Rangers stuff was going to be done in-house and was part of their new revenue stream targets. Or can’t they stop SPFL selling their goal airtime?


  50. ecobhoy says:

    September 7, 2013 at 1:45 pm

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    neepheid says:
    September 7, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    What I cannot understand is why Whyte doesn’t take them to court now. Unless negotiations to pay Whyte off are currently underway?

    For what it is worth I cerainly beleive that Charlotte is on Whytes side of the fence. Whyte wants some money in order to buy his silence on the Sevco 5088 issue. He is using Charlottefakes as a pressure tool on Chico and Ahmad to make the point that they need to pay up. He cannot fully expose them, unless as a last resort, because the whole business would collapse leaving Craigie with nothing which would be pointless to him. He cannot extract any funds from the company so he will be going after a share of Chico and Ahmads loot. If they agree a deal the whole thing will go away, at least in the debate over the Sevcos although if they do not I fear a bit of armageddon! As my old mum used to say “be careful with people with nothing to lose!”. No deal with Craigiebhoy and he will be the man my mum was talking about.


  51. Charlotte twitter account and scribd material has been deleted


  52. CtH is gone………

    “Sorry, that page doesn’t exist. Maybe try a search?”


  53. 100BJD says:
    September 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    I think the CF disappearance timing reinforces your estimation of where we are or more correctly where CW is.

    But in view of the loss of compo that Ahmad appears to have suffered on leaving Ibrox and the falling shareprice for him and Green I just get the feeling there isn’t enough money to buy-off CW unless the accounts reveal a big black hole – not that I’m suggesting of course that any of the gentlemen I have referred to would be in any way responsible for that.

    But I think if CW has to walk without a pay-off he will bring the whole crumbling edifice down although he better be careful with the listed facade at Ibrox or the Historic Monuments people will be onto him as well as everyone else 🙄

    Surely there is now enough info in the public domain to implode Rangers even if the SMSM retain their very undignified silence.

    BTW does your mum know Ahmad’s mum 😆


  54. EB & 100BJD

    Your analysis of CW/CH motives is reasonable. However, was there not always a risk with Charlotte that she would leak something that pricked the wrong set of ears. Whilst there is more than a whiff of Keystone Cops about the SFO, they do occasionally get it together. If, and its a big if, the SFO start pulling at the threads attached to the missing novation deed, there is no telling where the investigation will lead. If CW and CH are closely connected, they are taking a heck of a risk are they not?


  55. ecobhoy says:
    September 7, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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    I have now had a chance to cross-check the London Gazette entries against those of Companies House and there is no listing of any directorship changes arising out of the four removed documents referred to in the Gazette dated 3 July 2013.

    Oddly I can’t see any trace in Companies House of two directorship changes on 16 April 2013 which are listed in the London Gazette. These are not to be confused with the two entries for Whyte and Earley on 12 April 2013 – in the Gazette and Companies House – which show their appointment as directors.

    Certainly looks as though there is a lot going on under the surface and a guerilla war in process. And Sevco 5088 Ltd still hasn’t filed its Annual Return which was due on 26/04/2013. And no sign of any shareholder change forms ever being submitted to Companies House since Sevco 5088 was incorporated on 29/03/2012.

    As Sevco 5088 Ltd is a subsidiary of RIFC Plc and possibly also of TRFCL I wonder if the documents which have been removed could have been in relation to RIFC Plc nominated directors?

    A tale which gets murkier the more that is revealed – I just hope the Bears will be demanding answers although I’m not sure that flip-flop Mather would be able to calm or allay their fears.


  56. I see that the Govan Taleban have mobilized their extremist wing,called The Sheep,on Jim Spence for something he said.
    If I may offer Jim a wee tip,next time write down what you are thinking,as I don’t think you will have as many complaints.A friend directed me to the Sheep’s media and judging by the comments Jim has committed the cardinal sin of telling the truth.
    Is there still anybody out there who thinks that these people are deserving of our sympathy ?


  57. scapaflow says:
    September 7, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    EB & 100BJD

    Your analysis of CW/CH motives is reasonable. However, was there not always a risk with Charlotte that she would leak something that pricked the wrong set of ears. Whilst there is more than a whiff of Keystone Cops about the SFO, they do occasionally get it together. If, and its a big if, the SFO start pulling at the threads attached to the missing novation deed, there is no telling where the investigation will lead. If CW and CH are closely connected, they are taking a heck of a risk are they not?
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    Surely irrespective of what the SFO do that BDO must be all over this like a rash – it’s the key to their whole investigation well at least to the Green Phase.


  58. ecobhoy says:
    September 7, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    One would think so, but that could be several years away……


  59. Lotte may be gone, but Jim Spence is in good voice on BBC Sportsound 😎

    By the way, I wonder who the journalist was who was confronted by AM at a press conference. Referred to on Off the Ball, the journalist got up and left in order not to create a scene. What an unpleasant situation. ‘Either you go or I go,’, said the manager, according to the guest on Off the Ball.

    Intimidation worked that day. Glad that incident was revealed on air.


  60. Danish Pastry says:
    September 7, 2013 at 3:56 pm
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    I don’t think it’s any great secret the journalist in question was Mark Guidi of the Daily Record / Sunday Mail. What intrigues me is another journalist from that paper, Hugh Keevins, went to great lengths last year to laud Ally McCoist for not pursuing the same policies as those which saw Keevins himself banned from Celtic Park. It was a puke inducing story from Keevins which lent more support to the infallibility of McCoist in the eyes of much of the media.

    I guess Mark Guidi might well be thinking hard these days which of his colleagues he can rely on for support.


  61. beatipacificiscotia says:
    September 7, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    BDO ? Where are you ?


  62. Hi not commented for for a long time.

    I’ve left things to people who have greater intellects and knowledge to discuss the many twists and turns this saga has had to offer. Lurked away to my hearts content thoroughly enjoying the sute.

    Anyhow, I feel the need to chip in with something today.

    Okay CtH may now have left the building and we’re all debating Sevco5088 and who pays the payoff to CW.

    My point is, whilst this is all very worthy and does need to be amplified, the original scandal remains, largely, buried these days.

    Before CW appeared on the horizon, in the RTC days, hints were made of scandals and deals being done by SDM, SFA, MSM.

    Roundabout downfall time the site ended, and TSFM began.

    Have all the unanswered questions from there gone away?

    So I’m away again, but before I go I’ll just say Ticketus £26m, just like that, and still no screaming for the money back.

    All the new stuff is interesting but there are still questions from way back STILL NOWHERE NEAR ANSWERED.

    Nuclear anybody? Anybody?


  63. 100BJD says:
    September 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    %%%%%%
    I recall that in the earlier acts of the the knockabout farce down Govan way, a document (possibly an invoice) was alleged to have been created using either Photoshop or Lettraset technology.
    Any thoughts?


  64. Hi all.
    Long time lurker both here and previously on RTC, but this is my first post.

    Re Charlotte’s latest revelations, I’m not sure that the reported ‘missing novation deed’ relates to Sevco’s purchase of RFC(IL)’s assets.

    Let’s look at what the minutes (of the October 31st RFCL board meeting) actually say.

    (5.2) … The Company entered into the APA and acquired Rangers (with Sevco 5088 and the Administrators of RFC 2012 plc being parties to the APA in addition to the Company to provide written consent to the change of acquiring entity).

    (8.1) … At the 7th June Board Meeting, the Company documented that it had approved the novation of the loan facility of £200,000 from Imran Ahmad … The 7th June Board Meeting did not append the deed of novation to transfer the obligations from Sevco 5088 Limited to the Company in relation to the loan facility. The Company acknowledged this deed could not currently be located …

    My reading (although it’s not entirely clear) is that the ‘missing’ deed actually relates only to the transfer of Ahmad’s loan from Sevco 5088 to Sevco Scotland, and not to the novation of the asset purchase. As others have pointed out (and as suggested by 5.2 above), a copy of this latter one (the one that really matters) would also have to be in the posession of D&P.

    What do you all think?


  65. Danish Pastry says:

    September 7, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Thanks DP. It did seem unlikely, but with JT, you never know :slamb: . Still, and hopefully it’s also a spoof, if that really went on in the Ibrox dressing room!


  66. If Carlsberg did irony

    “Frankie ‏@GersnetOnline 36s
    Here’s an idea for @bbcjimspence and his fellow attention-seeking sympathisers: Tell the truth and be objective. It’s really not difficult.”


  67. upthehoops says:
    September 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm
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    Didn’t know that, I thought it might have been the STV guy. Pity the press corps present didn’t show some solidarity and leave the manager in an empty room.


  68. I am sure I mentioned this way back
    that The Title Deeds of Ibrox ARE in the name of Sevco 5088
    free to inspect at the Land Registry at George Square


  69. Neepheid 1.25

    It seems to me that CW was buying the remains for himself using CG as the intermediary.

    I think I read this is against insolvency rules/law and I’m wondering if it amounts to criminal behaviour and it this CW wishes to avoid being charged with.I do wonder when the criminal justice system will take an interest.

    I suspect the SFA believe something on those lines have happened and are at loss as to how to deal with it as the circumstances will not be covered by the rules.

    Then what is BDO’s position if the sale turns out to be illegal and AIM’s etc etc.

    Too much to get our heads around but here is the thing. All the rules and laws are based on honest dealings being a part of the process for handling insolvency and share issue.
    Honest dealings require honest dealers and from where I stand honesty was murdered in the opening act of this part of the Rangers saga.

    Its like watching The Borgias.


  70. Auldheid says:
    September 7, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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    Neepheid 1.25

    It seems to me that CW was buying the remains for himself using CG as the intermediary.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Hasn’t Whyte himself basically said as much? His whole claim against Green and TRFC is based on him having an agreement with Green under which they would jointly acquire the RFC assets from Whyte’s appointed administrators, Duff & Phelps.

    I think the potential criminal aspect is what is holding Whyte back from legal action against Green. He may think he’s been stiffed by Green, but if Whyte was thimself trying to stiff the creditors, then he might not get much sympathy in court.

    What astonishes me is the apparent inaction of the authorities in the face of what seems to me to be overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing. But then given the events of the last 18 months, how can I be surprised? This whole sorry saga is making a complete mockery of Company Law and Insolvency Law.


  71. neepheid says:
    September 7, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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    Auldheid says:
    September 7, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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    Neepheid 1.25

    It seems to me that CW was buying the remains for himself using CG as the intermediary.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Hasn’t Whyte himself basically said as much? His whole claim against Green and TRFC is based on him having an agreement with Green under which they would jointly acquire the RFC assets from Whyte’s appointed administrators, Duff & Phelps.

    I think the potential criminal aspect is what is holding Whyte back from legal action against Green. He may think he’s been stiffed by Green, but if Whyte was thimself trying to stiff the creditors, then he might not get much sympathy in court.

    What astonishes me is the apparent inaction of the authorities in the face of what seems to me to be overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing. But then given the events of the last 18 months, how can I be surprised? This whole sorry saga is making a complete mockery of Company Law and Insolvency Law.

    ………………

    And football governance Law (rules)


  72. neepheid says:
    September 7, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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    So true. It’s why so few football fans are buying the Sevco delusion. And probably the reason so many of us here continue to wait for justice.

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