The Offline Game


TheLawManMay 12, 2016 at 09:24 (Maybe late to the party given …

Comment on The Offline Game by wottpi.

TheLawManMay 12, 2016 at 09:24

(Maybe late to the party given Reivers post but here is what I was drafting  while he was posting)

‘Rules are rules’ but as evidenced by all the above posts interpretations can vary.

The duty of those responsible for managing and applying the rules is to provide clear and concise reasoning to the decisions taken and be able to fully justify those decisions when challenged.

Our footballing authorities have a track record of being wholly unable to explain themselves to the paying customer on a whole range of matters.

The situation impacts on fans of ALL clubs because how the SFA & SPFL interpret and apply their rules is as clear as mud.

There were no rules that allowed Rangers (IL) to reform as T’Rangers to join the ranks of the Scottish professional leagues in the manner which they did. Precedents from Gretna, Airdrie/Clydebank and Third Lanark show that.

There were no rules that allowed a team that finished second in the top league to find themselves not in Europe, not entering cup competitions in latter rounds and playing in the bottom tier.

The SPL lawyers argued in their own tribunal about when the club ‘ceased to exist’.

However the football authorities sought a ‘desired outcome’ similar to your scenario re Barcelona getting back in to Europe at the expense of a diddy club.

Despite having rules in place, they made up some new ones on the hoof.

Is it any wonder people query how the rules were interpreted and applied with regard to Rangers’ Euro Licence application?

The problem for the supporters of ALL clubs is that we have two bodies that appear, in some aspects of the running of the professional game, not fit for purpose.

The challenge is not for us to spend hours debating if an ‘i’ has been dotted or a ‘t’ has been crossed but for those in charge to operate in the open and transparent manner that they keep proclaiming, to apply the rules that they do have without fear or favour and offer full explanations when required.

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JUNE 6, 2016 at 12:37

I think we can. Bill Millers man Jon Prichett laid it out simply.

Regardless of what happened and how much money was raised there had to be major austerity, a major rethinking of how the club was run and a focus on developing homegrown talent and playing money ball. i.e No more Billy Big Baws.

Additional IPO cash and the meager funds available from playing in the SPL would not have made up for the annual shortfall in the Ibrox accounts

Follow that and my guess is that the club would have still be struggling to compete at home and in Europe against seasoned teams playing at that level.

The only alternative was to carry on regardless and have admin/liquidation 2 in a short period of time.

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A wee Monday morning thought.

As it looks like everyone in their uncle is not needing to turn up to court I would guess there is a good chance that Whyte will most likely walk as well. He might get a wee slap on the wrist for one of the minor charges but he will be able to handle that.

He will still have his beef with Ticketus but what has that got to do with anything football related. Its just a business transaction/gamble that went wrong.

The Sevco 5088 issues will most likely drift away to nothing.

Therefore while everything stinks to high heaven, what we may end up having, in pure legal terms, is a picture of a famous football club where all transactions were legitimate but were based on a failing business that ended up being worth no more than £1, which was then punted around in a last gasp deal such as many other businesses that have been asset stripped or allowed to get out of control by their owners.

When that same failing business got into deeper Doo-do, the basket of assets of that once famous football club were worth no more than £6.5m, if it is agreed ‘legally’ that the Green deal was above board.

If Duff & Duffer are shown to be in the clear on that one too, then we can safely assume that, in legal terms, everything was above board and no-one was barred from making a offer for the club from Govan.

The fact is we know some people did have a look at the books and they ran a mile. Not even RRM were seriously interested at that time.

So without any influence from internet bampottery, Rangers-Haters, the SMSM, Santa and the Tooth Fairly we now have a football club basking in the historical glories of the old one trying to sign free agent 30 year old injury prone EPL defenders with an average of 13 outings over the last seven seasons, while their manager is telling everyone they are all about developing talent and ‘adding value’ to the club.

Take the fans of all other Scottish clubs out of it. Even assuming T’Rangers had been allowed access to the SPL or Div One, I for one don’t think they would have been in a much better position than they find themselves in today. They still would have lost players on the basis they could not have afforded the wages, the players they would have been left with or asked to bring in would have had to match their budget. McCoist would have still been a disaster as a manager. Domestic and Euro glory would not have been achieved. Financially they would have been existing hand to mouth as they are today.

If the legal issues all go down the plug hole then we will have further proof that it is nobody’d fault other than those who have walked up the Marble Staircase over the years.

SDM failed to lay down solid foundations when he started his revolution. The club that plays out of Govan, despite the footballing authorities and fellow clubs all apparently trying to lend a hand, is now paying the price for that. Pure and simple.

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NEEPHEIDJUNE 2, 2016 at 10:51

Our best hope may be Grant Russell at STV who to be fair seems to be willing to have a go at real investigative journalism without fear or favour. 

Grant Russell ‏@STVGrant 14h14 hours ago@GersnetOnline @Jas72Boyd There’s a lot more reporting to be done on it. And it centres around UEFA.

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bordersdon 7th December 2020 at 20:23

paddy malarkey 7th December 2020 at 18:36

Would hope by the September rounds there may be a chance to get to games if the vaccine roll out goes well. However in terms of away games can't see any great attraction other than Austria, don't really fancy the rest. Would consider Denmark if I can get a bank loan for a pint!!

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Re The recent punishments for St Mirren and Kilmarnock, I have merely scanned the ruling for Killie and read a bit of commentary re St Mirren

It seems there are two parts to case. Killie were deemed to have not operated social distancing protocols on the bus to an away game and at a pre-game meal. To put is simply, they probably need to have two buses to keep all players and staff appropriately distanced and at the hotel where the meal was served,  the tables had too many people around them.

In St Mirren's case it seems the same applied but they were also guilty of letting players car share. There seems to be questions about not imparting covid related information to players and staff in an appropriate manner.

I may be wrong but I get the impression the cash fine is for braking the covid protocols and the loss of game and the 3-0 award to opposition is based on sporting disadvantage, given the result was that due to Covid issues the offending team were unable to put out a team and thus placed unfavourable conditions on their opposition that would otherwise not have occurred.

The linking of these two cases to earlier one with Celtic & Aberdeen seems to be 'apples and pears' in that both those clubs were willing and able to play their fixtures. The SPFL seem to also be saying that the Scot Gov cancelled the games but I am not sure that is strictly the case.

However, if a team were to fall foul of a bout of food poisoning as a result of their own catering operation and could not fulfill a fixture, is it not the case that precedent for teams being unavailable due to  'illness' within the squad is that the games are rescheduled.

Clubs would not be fined for breaking hygiene protocols and no points would be awarded to the disadvantaged opposition.

I can see why the SPFL have taken the stance they have, in these most difficult of times,  but not overly convinced they have the powers or precedent to take such action. Perhaps it is a gloves off approach as opposed to being more accommodating in 'normal times'.

While not so fussed about retrospective action on Celtic and Aberdeen, I am more concerned that the same SPFL seem willing to disrupt an already jam packed league fixture list and allow a certain team to needlessly go to a winter training camp (which presumably will be abroad), when there could be a higher probability of people straying from protocols and covid controls. 

If Celtic or any other team are unable to fulfill fixtures due to 'covid mistakes'  then 3-0 it will be, no?


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