The scandal in which Scottish football has become embroiled is neither equivocal nor complicated. It happened. It is easily seen to have happened. It is certainly not a degree course in nuclear physics. Why then, are simple facts ignored day after day, week after week, by not just the so called purveyors of truth in the media, but the body of the SFA itself, the clubs?
Five years or so ago, systematic cheating by a club involved in Scottish football was uncovered as a consequence of the club slipping into liquidation. This is easily established as fact.
It soon became clear that the authorities had been aware of the situation for as long as it had been going on, but instead of applying their own rules, which would have saved that club from it’s ultimate demise, they chose to enable it and cover it up. Also, backed up by documentary evidence.
As a consequence of the slide towards liquidation, the authorities went into cover-up overdrive to protect their own position. Inquiries based on rhetorical “you’ll have had your tea!” questions were set up to arrive at predetermined conclusions. The post-truth era in Scottish football had begun in earnest.
The claims of corruption which subsequently emerged were dismissed out of hand by the authorities and the press; first by accusations that it was only Paranoid Celtic fans looking to put the boot into Rangers who were behind the claims, then, when it became clear that it was not only Celtic fans who were angered by the way the integrity of the sport had been shattered, the “mad Celtic fans” epithet was amended to “mad online conspiracy theorists”.
The tactic was clear. NEVER address the issue. Attack the messengers. Ridicule them, mock them, demonise them. Despite that, the message of SFM and others was gaining traction and dangerously for the authorities, becoming difficult to ignore.
Last Autumn SFM was approached in confidence by senior figures in two print media outlets. The request was for us to provide them with the facts we had in bullet points – to make it easier for them to reach their audience, an audience they claimed was not sophisticated enough to absorb the detail and minutiae of the story.
The role of journalists is to do exactly that of course. They had access to the same documentary evidence we had (we know this because we gave it to them), but they wanted us to do their job for them? Leaving aside the scant regard I have for football journalists in this country, I don’t believe they are incapable of carrying out that simple task – but we humoured them anyway and provided them with the “SFA Corruption for Dummies” guide that they asked for.
But what were they really up to?
Remembering the RTC thread where he pointed out that genuine whistle-blowers in this saga were reluctant to come forward because of trust issues – they feared any contact with the MSM would result in their details being provided to those they were exposing – we proceeded with some caution. Amusingly, the same three questions was asked at each meeting; “You must know who Rangers Tax Case is?”, “any idea who John James is?” and, “what team do you support?”. (FYI, my answers were, “No”, “No”, and “Celtic” respectively).
Interestingly, for people who needed clarification by bullet-point, they were well enough versed in the minutiae to attempt to argue the flat-earth case and try to sell us the “it has been established legally that <insert something that hasn’t been established legally here>”
Our only conjecture was that they were trying to convince us we were wrong, or ascertain how firm a grasp we actually had on the facts to better see who and what they were dealing with, or (most probably) they were reacting aimlessly to online pressure and not really following any plan at all. Perhaps they were seeking to reassure themselves that it was just Celtic fans who were angry – although I fail to see how Celtic or their fans have less credibility when asking legitimate questions about the running of the game just because Rangers were involved.
Subsequently, despite the platitudes of “print and social media should work together” and the like, and despite being furnished with the aforementioned bullet points, no further contact was made with SFM other than a couple of childish comments about SFM on Twitter.
Facts might be facts to us all, but in the case of the print media, they can be ignored on the basis that mad internet bampots are not a credible source, although metaphysical hypotheses are clearly thought to be a far more sensible line of inquiry!
However, facts ARE indeed facts, and in the hands of real journalists like Alec Thomson and those in The Offshore Game (TOG), they are given the credence they merit. Since TOG published the report on the SFA (see below), the facts have emerged from not just the so-called internet bampots. Those facts have survived the scrutiny of several reputable journalists involved in TOG – and their legal advisers.
Accusations more blunt and unequivocal than we have ever made have been published. The genie is most definitely out of the bottle, but the prodigious MSM Twitterati, so meticulous in their investigations into the occupation of Craig Whyte’s female companions, appear to have run out of batteries on their keyboards. “No answer” is the loud reply, since TOG cannot be ridiculed quite so easily without exposing themselves to the same scrutiny they have failed to apply to the SFA.
If I can be as unequivocal about this as possible. Senior journalists in at least two MSM print outlets KNOW there has been a cover up, and that systematic cheating took place. They knew that before the TOG report, long before it, but still they did nothing. Even now they do nothing. They are now playing a reactionary role – as counterpoint to the accessible online truth – involved in actively concealing that truth from the offline public. An Offline Game if you like.
Of course we are not surprised by that, and as the falling-off-a-cliff circulation figures show, fewer and fewer people are playing their game. Even those who still purchase newspapers believe little of what they read.
The clubs are a different matter. Fans of every single club in this country – and that includes TRFC – will benefit from an inquiry into the handling of this matter. In the light of the TOG report, there is no excuse for the clubs to ignore calls for an inquiry to be set up. In fact by doing so, they are actively embracing corruption.
As we have said time and time again, this is no longer about Rangers. It is about institutionalised mal-governance at Hampden. By assisting the cover-up, the clubs are ensuring that the same corrupt practices are in place, ready to go again when necessary. Those practices which saw journalists and SFA officials cede editorial control (both statements backed up by documentary evidence) of their output to one club, and allow damaging conflicts of interest to circumvent rules.
The Offshore Game has thrown a media spotlight onto a cover-up. The MSM have attempted to bury it in the offline domain, but corruption, however well established,is not unbeatable. We can beat it if we work together – and here is how.
Season ticket renewals are dropping through letterboxes as I write this. If we do nothing other than protest, the clubs will do – just like Stewart Regan says he will – NOTHING!
There is only one way to establish the Independent Inquiry that is demanded in the wake of TOG report. Ask your club if they will vote for an Independent Inquiry to be set up.
If they agree, there is no problem. They are doing the right thing and will be deserving of our support.
Otherwise, send their renewal forms back to them unsigned.
It really is that simple.
http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/
Just a small point re the Sheriff’s Officers scenario. It would not simply be a case of HMRC having the Sheriff’s Officers attend Ibrox.
Prior to that they would have to have convinced a Sheriff to grant an arrestment order. That would mean convincing the Sheriff that a, they had an outstanding debt payable to them and b, that they had taken steps to collect the debt and had been unsuccessful.
The arrestment order would have been at the end of the process of HMRC trying to get their money. It is possible that quite a bit of time had passed since HMRC first started to try to get Rangers to pay, as such since any form of negotiations (as far as HMRC were concerned) had finished.
EASYJAMBOMAY 18, 2016 at 11:36
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It will be interesting to see what happens when Rangers Retail simply keep selling the licenced product, then sue Rangers if they try to sell it directly to the support.
I note that James Doleman has tweeted a possible ground for breaking the contract.
James Doleman @jamesdoleman · 5m5 minutes ago
Checking my notes counsel for RFC did mention in court the retail contract may be invalid as signatory did not have authority.
The issue was not explored as Justice Peter Smith ruled against Sports Direct without Rangers’ counsel making his full submissions.
So that may well be the issue Dave King and the RIFC board are going to rely on in breaking the retail contract
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The other possibility is Newcastle’s relegation and the stricter Football League rules on dual interest, which may have prompted Rangers to feel that they can safely void the deal.
I think that there is a fair chance of Ashley seeking an injunction and interdict preventing any other party selling branded goods until the matter is sorted out.
Rangers Retail is based in Shirebrook, so I suspect that the matter may be dealt with by the English courts.
Auldheid,
Further to the “Going concern” link.
I doubt very much we would ever find out, but a man less trusting than myself could perhaps put forward that Rangers(I.L.) (or any club in similar circumstances for that matter) may have been “advised” to exit the tournament post haste, as the brown stuff neared the fan
I am not suggesting it happened, but the possibility that it could happen, is not an accusation UEFA would welcome warmly, or even wish to leave themselves open to. Hence the rules.
Especially if Eric Black was running around the training pitch with a bookies pen behind his ear.
EASYJAMBOMAY 18, 2016 at 12:57
If I remember correctly, from the RIFC PLC prospectus where it discussed the joint venture of the subsidiary it specifically stated that the deal was made under English law.
t is actually being reported that it is the rights to use the IP which they are withdrawing, rather than breaking the contract. Though I suppose it would have the same net effect. You can hardly call it a Rangers strip if it doesn’t have Rangers’ badges and crests on it.
Homunculus May 18, 2016 at 13:06
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You may be right about the scope of today’s action being limited to the IP and Rights, but the statement specifically said that the club would communicate with fans about “Rangers Kit and other Rangers products”, suggesting that there are issues with the sale of goods to be resolved.
The way I see it, The Establishment need an Establishment Club as a rallying point for their staunch, loyal supporters, since the usurpers have one in CFC .They see themselves as being of a superior mindset to others . More than football (mis)governance. It is about presenting their club at the forefront of their vision of Scotland, based on sectarianism .
EASYJAMBO
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For clarity, I’m just saying that’s the way it is being reported, at least in some places.
If true, I imagine King is just trying to create a “Mexican stand off”, basically you can’t sell merchandise because I’m not letting you use the IP, no-one else can sell it for another 6 years because you have Worldwide rights.
However I make so little out of the deal that you are losing much more out of this than me. Therefore we have to re-negotiate or there will be no (official) product out there at all.
If it turns out King is correct, and they can withdraw use of the IP without breaching the contract (which I think would be a mental situation) then Ashley could presumably just say fine, but if anyone produces and sells official Rangers merchandise anywhere in the World then I will sue them.
Thanks to all for the extended debate re the licence. The combined power of recollection and research is frankly staggering.
I confess I had misjudged the importance of the September return but seeing now that it carried a potential suspension from Europe at the next point of entry, seeing that it was not incumbent on the club under investigation still being in the competition at 30th Sept and finally seeing that the SFA were involved at all (and funnily enough having failed to make the appropriate return on which a ban would have surely resulted) were not ten months later promoting through their bespectacled MBA laden conduit an instantaneous SPL re-entry then it doesn’t really look good for them now does it?
CORRUPT OFFICIALMAY 18, 2016 at 13:06
He’s the one that was a proper footballer, no painting and decorating due to problems with his bad back.
The culture of victimhood has served Rangers and it’s successor very well.
I can only magine how the fans would feel if it was perceived that Sports Direct put TRFC into administration
That said, I guess if RIFC has over 75% of the club’s debt, it could likely agree to any insolvency practitioner’s plan that proceeded with a different kit deal.
Perhaps if the club was confident of a successful season ahead, if it had the means to upgrade it’s playing staff, it would be extremely cautious so as not to jeopardise it’s first season in the top division and possible Euro campaign.
If, on the other hand, expectations for the season ahead (and the next couple beyond) are very low, now might be a very good time to take the hit.
Reference the Tom English twitter mince about the Offshore Game report being “flawed” and other online chatter (Thomson included?) reflecting that the report relies on Charlotte Fakes material and therefore will not be touched with a barge pole.
I’m afraid this confirms the complicit relationship the MSM have either voluntarily, or by whatever means, with the new Rangers just as they had with the old. It does not require any more than basic journalism to ask the questions of those parties in the report and to print the responses, including of course the “no comment”. We are not asking them to reprint verbatim or in part the report and neither are we asking for any level of skill and effort such as may be associated with investigative journalism. Just ask the few basic questions that are leaping out of the screen at you and get a story. I despair, what a bunch of corrupt non entities.
p.s. I cancelled a sub to a national paper this morning, as it happens it was “the Times”, and have subbed TSFM rather than the odd contribution I have made. I still have enough left to support another related blog or two and I suspect that this is the way forward for any semblance of news and analysis. The thing is I know that this is the case with fitba: so how does the rest of the news stack up? (Rhetorical question btw)
Money for Joey Barton’s wages and a court fight against Ashley?
The over-investment money must be flooding in!
Is there any update on the 802 Ltd claim and counter claim re the stadium wifi?
Can’t recall when that was supposed to be heading back to court.
I note that FC Twente has been relegated from the Dutch Eredivise for financial mismanagement.
See, it can be done. It just needs a governing body to act without fear or favour when applying the rules.
BLUMAY 18, 2016 at 13:51
CORRUPT OFFICIALMAY 18, 2016 at 13:06
…Especially if Eric Black was running around the training pitch with a bookies pen behind his ear.He’s the one that was a proper footballer, no painting and decorating due to problems with his bad back.
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My mistake Blu, and I thank you for the correction.
EASYJAMBOMAY 18, 2016 at 12:57 I note that James Doleman has tweeted a possible ground for breaking the contract.
James Doleman @jamesdoleman · 5m5 minutes agoChecking my notes counsel for RFC did mention in court the retail contract may be invalid as signatory did not have authority…
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I just don’t understand the DR report on this latest ‘RIFC/TRFC’ development / alleged threat to Ashley’s income.
Shirley, the very fact, [IIRC it has been confirmed by TRFC], that notice has been served on the 7 year deal, then that in itself precludes RIFC/TRFC to now claim that the contract is invalid ?
Immediate reaction, is that this is simply yet another simple PR effort from Level42 – mibbees trying to leverage something out of the negativity around Newcastle’s relegation and the pressure on Ashley.
The Championship rules have got b*gger all to do with the RIFC/TRFC retail contract, IMO.
And if it ever does get to court, why the hell would TRFC want to add the risk of massive legal costs of their own – and Ashley’s – and possibly compensation – and yet still have to see out the remainder of the 6 years of the deal ?
IMO, the only ‘out’ is to offer Ashley a significant pay-off to rip up the retail contract.
The word from the Bears sites is that the new home kit at least should be on sale in a couple of weeks time. Just in time for the summer holidays!
Images were leaked the other day of the new kit in what appeared to be a possible preparation for a photo shoot.
Can’t see Puma and Red 32 being overly impressed if strips don’t go on sale.
Similarly it has been rumoured that the retail deal involves T’Rangers paying for kits that end up sitting boxes.
If they are not flying out the door in a couple of weeks then one or other or both parties and third parties ain’t going to be pleased about a stack of boxes going nowhere.
Just another wee mess down Govan and a nice distraction from Euro licensing at the likes.
However given the complexity and dryness of commercial contracts and the associated law I doubt the SMSM will be giving this much coverage!
Just for the record, round two of what looks like an organised campaign of untruth seeking to discredit TOG and SFM (and others) has been started on Twitter by the Howling at the Moon Brigade (HatMB).
SFM and Auldheid, the Twittersphere has been reliably involved, are secondary funders of the TOG Report, CQN being the primary funding source.
I seriously doubt whether Auldheid or CQN are involved, but I can tell you unequivocally that no funding for TOG – or anyone else for that matter – came from SFM.
The problem with the lie that is being perpetrated is that if it is repeated often enough, it may become perceived as fact, but we will challenge that if it ever arises (outwith the HatMB, who we will not engage)
To be perfectly honest, had we had the funds, I don’t think there would be anything dishonourable in offering financial assistance to TJN. Theirs is a wider circle than ours, but we are congruent.
In fact the HatMB have given us an idea for the future 🙂
More seriously, the Tax Justice Network themselves would probably be reluctant to get into bed with us. They would no doubt see us as being too close to the case – and they are too fastidious and meticulous in their work to allow any appearance of conflicts of interest to arise- something the former President of the SFA should have been employing in 2011+
I have little doubt now that there is a social media campaign under way, and SFM is firmly in its sights. As long as we keep telling the truth, there is nothing to fear from that.
The upside is that it seems the TOG report has seriously rattled some cages (even more than we thought). Truth has a way of doing that.
From the RIFC Prospectus
Is it therefore the case that we appear to be in a deadlock situation as presumably the disagreements between the two parties have not been resolved.
Happy to be corrected but my reading of the above is that in such a situation SDI has the right to buy out Rangers and then pay them a royalty for the IP Licence but it still allows them to produce kit and branded products.
RFCL does not appear to have a get out clause from the above.
Nobody has mentioned SDI seeking to buy out RFCL from the retail deal, therefore is King trying to scupper things before they even get started by trying to use the withdrawal of the IP Licence as his get out/bargaining tool?
More crowd funding for James Doleman’s court trips to Englandshire I suspect.
Tris @ 1659
I know I have said it a couple of times before but I am reliably informed that the Sports Integrity Initiative’s own report, although leaning heavily on the TOG one, is imminent. One more window letting light into their little cabal.
TRISIDIUM MAY 18, 2016 at 16:59
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an organised campaign of untruth seeking to discredit TOG and SFM (and others) has been started on Twitter by the Howling at the Moon Brigade (HatMB).
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I have little doubt now that there is a social media campaign under way, and SFM is firmly in its sights…
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We could take that as a back handed compliment – and further validation that SFM must be doing something right ?
Well done everybody !
News from the continent:
In a story that has a few parallels with the Rangers saga, the license comission of the Dutch FA has today revoked the license of FC Twente for financial irregularities.
However, it immediately granted a new license for FC Twente to play at the lowest professional level of Dutch football. Since there are only 2 professional levels, this means that the club would start next season in the second tier.
The sanctions available to the commission under the rules of the FA were a fine and the revocation of license. The FA explained it was felt that the penalty of a fine wasn’t enough, but that full revocation of license went too far. FC Twente have already made noises about going to the courts to challenge what they call “making up new rules as the commission went along”.
FC Twente has historically been the 4th club in the country, and won its first and only championship under the guidance of Steve McLaren in 2009-2010. The difficulties started after that championship, when the egomaniacal chairman went on a spending spree to try to win more titles and become ‘one of the 30 biggest clubs in Europe’. There are fairly elaborate rules for financial fair play in Dutch football, and the club has been primarily punished for trying to hide and actively lying about its financial situation.
I am a supporter, it’s not a great day….
ernieMay 18, 2016 at 14:02
“The thing is I know that this is the case with fitba: so how does the rest of the news stack up? (Rhetorical question btw)”
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It may have been rhetorical but it just happens to have alighted right between the crosshairs of my current outlook.
I’ve just started to read one of those weighty tomes which is detailed and would therefore never find its analysis leeching into the main stream media. Its called ‘Manufacturing consent’ and is co-written by Noam Chomsky, an intellectual who came from the field of grammar and gradually migrated to the forum of human rights and social justice. He is a voice in the wilderness and therefore in my opinion, an authentic information source.
The book deals with far weightier topics than we are currently concerned with but the parallels are striking. It majors heavily (almost entirely) on media bias and the consequences of such. It really is rather harrowing given the conclusions one is invited to draw. I have only just embarked on this literary odyssey but already I can recognise the similarity in patterns between his analyses and our own experiences.
He starts off by sketching out a ‘propaganda model’ which utilises ‘news filters’. These filters are as follows :
1. The size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms.
2. Advertising as the primary income source of the mass media.
3. The reliance of the media on information provided by Government, business and ‘experts’ funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power.
4. ‘Flak’ as a way of disciplining the media.
5. ‘Anti-communism’ as a national religion and control mechanism.
If I take these one by one to highlight the parallels:
1. SFM has found it difficult, though not impossible, to influence the main stream media. The MSM has its own agendas and topics that fall outwith its main focus get little attention.
2. Advertisers don’t want detailed discussion on complex topics. They want happy feel good stories that make people want to buy stuff.
3. Information sources such as TJN can be ignored since to report them requires justification of information that is not immediately recognised as officially sourced.
4. Flak is what is apparently currently being experienced by SFM. MSM finds it impossible to deal with flak (complaints from advertisers, authorities, business) because the resources required to defend controversial perspectives cannot be justified by any likely increased revenue from advertisers.
5. For ‘communism’ you could perhaps insert the term ‘Rangers hater’ in our own context. It is a method of devaluing any opinions arising from subversive sources.
So to address your point directly ernie, the rest of the news stacks up in exactly the same way and is subject to the bias experienced from an SFM perspective. That has been one of the many bonuses of being engaged with the SFM project; you see a microcosm of the wider world. The real big news about the TJN TOG ‘Doing the SFA for fair play report’ is that it is not newsworthy apparently. Its been like passing a radioactive isotope through a body corporate and observing where its doesn’t go. It is terribly informative.
One of the mechanisms informed in the book is the huge difference in quantity and quality of reporting on any particular subject. The SMSM may be able at some point in the future, to say that it covered the TJN TOG report. However the quantity and quality of coverage will likely be miserly compared with other less worthy concerns (anyone see all that stuff about puppy dogs that BBC Scotland have been obsessing about).
Chomsky doesn’t get widespread coverage but people in the ‘know’ understand he is a go to man when you want some real insightful analysis.
Trisidium 16.59
What is it when someone goes on social media and tells lies about a person?
I have a large family to fund and after donations to Oxfam etc I have hardly enough to fund a sangria.
The poster sounds demented and hopefully even those who like a howl at the moon will jettison this latest attempt as plain looney.
There hasn’t been a denial of service attack in a while.
ALLYJAMBOMAY 18, 2016 at 12:24
I see Tom English has, at last, engaged on twitter over the Offshore Game report. Of course, all he is doing is trying to fob everyone off on why he isn’t writing about the report itself, claiming it’s flawed!
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English is the 2nd media man to claim the report is flawed, Spiers being the other. Flawed in what way I wonder? I have no idea whether or not he reads this blog, but if he does not want the SFA to answer over any of this then he is in the wrong job. He is a great man for quoting official party lines when it suits him, then on the other hand quoting those who pursue cheating and doping in sport. Surely he has not fallen into the Scottish media view that the SFA can’t be questioned in case they don’t like the answer!
WOTTPIMAY 18, 2016 at 17:02 6 0 Rate This
From the RIFC Prospectus
Happy to be corrected but my reading of the above is that in such a situation SDI has the right to buy out Rangers and then pay them a royalty for the IP Licence but it still allows them to produce kit and branded products.
Nobody has mentioned SDI seeking to buy out RFCL from the retail deal,
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1.How much would a buy out deal be?
2.How quick could RFCL expect to get any buy out payment?
3.With no sale of replica kits,it would be a good excuse for no money for players.
4.Is it a get out clause to let SDI buy them out to get some money in to keep the lights on.
5 Or is it a get out clause to et SDI buy them out to get some quick money into buy players?
6. A strange time to bring this statement out,but as we have come to expect from ibrox there is always something not being told in statement o’clock
Auldheid
Any chance of a sub?
CASTOFTHOUSANDSMAY 18, 2016 at 17:59 5 0 Rate This
Chomsky doesn’t get widespread coverage
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I know it’s not ‘widespread’ in the sense of public knowledge and I may be wrong, but is he not the most cited academic alive today?
Would love him to cast his critical eye over what has been going on here!
That wee school across from Ibrox is going to get awfy busy. I hope the jannie is on double time……Cash sales only is it?
CLUSTER ONEMAY 18, 2016 at 18:306. A strange time to bring this statement out,but as we have come to expect from ibrox there is always something not being told in statement o’clock
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It must be good to be able to release a statement knowing that no-one, absolutely no-one, in the mainstream media will question any aspect of it. In fact, I am well prepared for the usual suspects to tell us all they ‘understand’ how confident Rangers are over this. They may even get paid licence fee payers money to spread this propaganda on behalf of the club.
CastofthousandsMay 18, 2016 at 17:59
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Chomsky is ‘The’ man to go to. Love him.
MMM has the buyer of the CF tapes just been outed on JJ’S site will need to be confirmed lol.
It would appear that whilst John James does not have a very high opinion of me he has somehow came up with the same possible scenario.
“The end-game pursued by King that is most persuasive is one where a Mexican stand-off ensues until January 2023. If Ashley was prohibited by court order to use the IP, King would not be allowed to sell his alternative merchandise with the crests. Is King gambling that Ashley will voluntarily walk away if he loses access to the IP?”
I would tend to concur with the next part John James’ piece.
“Ashley will be bringing his A game to this. This is no longer a bit of fun to jail King or force the SFA to admit that King is not on the board of the member club. This is business. The South African criminal will be hit hard. There will be collateral damage to the club. I despair of the buffoons who voted for this mendacious criminal and his penniless sidelicks. Is this Level 5s response to the Tax Justice Network’s report?”
Shug, don’t understand who MMM is but the fact that Charlotte sold the tapes and the buyer has been common knowledge for some time.
One of the reasons for my recurring despair over this stuff.
Btw I see JJ has informed his readers that CF’s material was first published on SFM. Not true. We never published any of it for reasons we made clear at the time – and it had nothing to do with its provenance per se.
I think the decision not to allow someone to use a blog to publish potentially stolen material, with the possibility that they were potentially doing so to extort a payment from the owner of the material, or the people who were named within it was an eminently sensible one.
It may have been tempting to allow it, in order to get the publicity and the readership however to have done so would have been a bad decision.
To refer to it when it had gone into the public domain elsewhere is a different issue, unless by doing so breached a Court order.
BP mmm that’s the sound you might make when you eat something nice lol and yes seems to have been common knowledge but I have never seen it written anywhere always hinted at with a nod a wink.
Hi guys.
Is it just me who can’t access the site properly.I’m always getting “script messages” & the site keeps freezing.anyone got any advice on how to stop this?.
Cheers.
Big Pink
You have mail
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958)May 18, 2016 at 20:46
Hi guys. Is it just me who can’t access the site properly.I’m always getting “script messages” & the site keeps freezing.anyone got any advice on how to stop this?. Cheers.
TJB Possibly some ads that are the problem – or the theme on the site. Looking into it.
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May also be Browser/Flash problems.I’m trying a couple of things here.If anything works,I’ll let you know.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958)
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I’ve had similar problems with the site using Internet Explorer. The site performs much better with Firefox.
Cheers EJ,
Unfortunately,I’ve been using Firefox.Now trying Edge but problems there too.Think it may be a site problem or maybe something inherited when “upgrading” to Windows 10,perhaps?.
Didn’t realise there was a wider problem. I will make some changes – and if necessary, take some bells and whistles away.
http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2016/05/16/point-of-order-courts-step-up-the-fight-against-corruption
I wouldn’t concur with anything JohnJames has said in regard to Mike Ashley, Sports Direct and Dave King, court cases and potential court cases. He has been 100% wrong to often in this regard. For a man who purports to be from the field of law he has not covered himself in glory.
i don’t know whether the guy is really a Rangers fan or not, but he seems to have an almost personal loathing of Dave King, and I feel that it has clouded his judgement in the past and has done again.
say what we like about mendacious King, he keeps on winning his court cases and I see no reason why they won’t win another one if Ashley chooses to go down that road.
the Establishment club is back and soon will be in almost full health with the help of retail, home cup draws and European income (not a snowballs chance in hell the SFA will deny them to play in European football)
we (Celtic) should be light years ahead of them, but we are not, and I fear they’re not as far behind as many people think. Shame on you Peter Lawwell, you have been asleep at the wheel since 2012
I’m on win10 and using chrome and I have no problems.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958)May 18, 2016 at 20:46 Hi guys. Is it just me who can’t access the site properly.I’m always getting “script messages” & the site keeps freezing.anyone got any advice on how to stop this?. Cheers. TJB Possibly some ads that are the problem – or the theme on the site. Looking into it. ============= May also be Browser/Flash problems.I’m trying a couple of things here.If anything works,I’ll let you know.
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For info :
I’ve had problems for quite some time.
Running Windows 10.
In my case Firefox is unusable on this site.
Internet Explorer is slow and I sometimes lose great chunks of text coupled with intermittent freezing.
Thought it was just me as nobody else seemed troubled.
I’m on firefox, and for yonks i’ve had frozen screens with that bloody wee blue circle thing birling about so I can’t even get the mouse to work.I have an unfinshed post for about fifteen minutes and only now this second has ythe cursor appeared to let me carry on and send it.
I’m using the wife’s wee tablet thingy to send this.
By one of those little serendipities that brighten our lives from time to time, while I doing some woodwork( don’t laugh!) in my primitive workshop today, I heard two very interesting things on the ancient wee radio I keep in there and which has not yet managed to electrocute me( it’s nearly old enough to have stations like ‘Hilversum’ ‘ Prague’ ‘Athlone’ on the tuning dial!).
I usually have it set on Radio 4. But today I kind of knocked it over, and caught it, put it back on the shelf, and somehow it had moved to RTE, from Dublin.
And right away I was engrossed by what was being discussed : big political storm over what the current Irish Police commissioner’s instructions to her Counsel had been in connection with a long-drawn out action taken by a police sergeant ‘whistle blower’ whose reports about corruption resulted in a big enquiry and caused ministerial resignations and the resignation of the previous Commissioner, and then further ‘cover up’ inquiries into how the present Commissioner ( a woman)was dealing with things. She is alleged to have instructed her Counsel to attack the sergeant personally as being maliciously motivated and then to have denied that and so on.
But the honest sergeant had recorded stuff!
And, now,today, the Commissioner and the Minister for Justice seem to be fighting to keep their jobs, as the Press home in ( one newspaper in particular).
And a little later, there was a brilliant interview with the Panama Papers guy, who, American though he be, had a grandfather who was for a time the editor of a respected Irish Newspaper. Brilliant guy, who spoke about how the 300 or so journalists worldwide who were given access to the Panama papers a year ago, kept the secret, and variously beavered away at stuff relating to their own governments and countries. They had to use a Swedish journalist to break the story about the Iceland premier. And many of the journalists ( real journalists!) are exposing stuff that puts them in personal danger- various Mafias, crime syndicates, who will kill either to prevent being exposed or in sheer badness for having been exposed.
And I thought.
A wee cheating football club? and a complicit wee cheating Football Administration? And the SMSM journalists were as feart to report the truth as if they were at a Nuremberg rally surrounded by the animals who made up the Schutzstaffel.
Lord God, what despicable types they are.
Maybe try an ad blocker if you’re having problems sometimes it is the ads that cause all the problems.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958)May 18, 2016 at 20:46
““script messages” & the site keeps freezing.”
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So its not just me.
Comment 146152:0 seems to be the offending culprit.
I’ve got sash windows so went for a less elegant fix.
I’ve got one tab open with the blog up. When the script message came up I selected the debug option. I had no idea how to debug the script, so ended up opening up the blog again on another tab. By having the blog up on one tab with the debug editor open (a box of nonesense (HTML) at the bottom of the screen) and having a fresh tab with the blog on that also, I find the fresh tab navigates just fine. If you’re not confused now you never will be.
if you were a proper referee and you had been chosen to referee your national FA’s cup final and your brother had played for one of the finalists you would turn down the appointment surely… a mean sister or aunty as a former player would be ok but not brother
John ClarkMay 18, 2016 at 22:47
“And the SMSM journalists were as feart to report the truth as if they were at a Nuremberg rally surrounded by the animals who made up the Schutzstaffel.”
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Chomsky analyses media complicity as being like a marketplace where information gains its market value. Over time and for a variety of reasons certain information gets excluded because it doesn’t fit with the prevailing narrative. Its a subtle and insidious process and we are blessed to be able to see it in its crude nakedness.
The journalists themselves may not be fully aware that they are self-censoring. They merely have an appreciation of the type of stuff that editors will consider suitable for publication. The word milieu was invoked by Chomsky in this respect. Its a lovely sounding word, I shall look it up in the dictionary imminently.
Don’t be too harsh on the wee timid journalists; they are trapped in a milieu not of their own making. They are unable to see the wood for the trees.
Why Uefa coefficients permanently condemn Scotland to 2nd Class status
Firstly it’s appropriate to congratulate Sevilla on their victory. They were thoroughly deserving and 3 in a row is a wonderful achievement .
On though to Uefa’s fix in favour of the big nations. To illustrate let’s look at next years Uefa competitions and compare England to Scotland
England
Champions League
3 automatic group places . This “earns” 4 co-efficient points guaranteed per team . That makes a total of 12 +1 place in the 4th Qualifying round. This “earns” a guaranteed 2 co-efficient points
Therefore England is guaranteed 14 co-efficient points from the Champions League before a ball is kicked
Europa League
FA Cup winners “earn” an automatic Group stage place . This brings 2 co-efficient points
The 5th place team in the EPL is also guaranteed an automatic stage place, so a further 2 co-efficient points are added.
The 6th place team in the EPL enters at the 3rd qualifying round stage . This “earns” a further 1 point
Therefore England is guaranteed 5 co-efficient points from the Europa League before a ball is kicked.
Scotland
Champions League
1 place in the 2nd qualifying round . This “earns” 1 Guaranteed co-efficient point
Europa League
SFA cup winners enter at 2nd qualifying round. This “earns” 0.5 co-efficient points .
The 2nd and 3rd place SPFL teams enter at the 1st Qualifying round and “earn” 0.25 co-efficient points each.
Take that in for a second. England is GUARANTEED 19 co-efficient points against Scotland’s 2 . Just for turning up . Every year.
For Scotland to earn 19 co-efficient points the following would need to happen.
Celtic would need to win 3 qualifying round ties . Hearts and Aberdeen would need to win 4 each and Rangers or Hibs would need to win 3 qualifying ties.
However that would only take Scotland to 10 co-efficient points. We would then still require 4 group stage wins and a draw , to get to the point that England are guaranteed by Uefa.
To earn the 19 points that England are given for free, Scotland needs to win a total of 13 ties + 4 individual group stage games + draw a group stage game.
It gets worse though :
5 out of the 7 English teams don’t have to play a game in Uefa competition before the middle of September. 15th September in 2015 to be exact. The other 2 teams start on August 18th and July 29th this season.
The Scottish clubs by comparison will have to start playing competitive games (based on last season) on June 30th for Aberdeen & Hearts. July 16th for Hibs or Rangers and July 14th for Celtic. that’s an enormous advantage for English teams. They get longer to prepare, they get to bed in new signings, they get to undertake lucrative tours for $$$ and their players get longer to recover.
That’s not all though.
If Crystal Palace win the FA Cup they will gain direct entry into the Europa League Group stages. Crystal Palace have NEVER played in a major European tournament.
They played one tie in the Intertoto in 1998 losing to an obscure Turkish team 2-0 in both legs. Yet if they win the FA Cup( which only requires 6 victories) they will gain direct entry to the Group Stages of the Europa League.
For reference that’s a privilege that is denied to former European Trophy winners, Celtic, Aberdeen,Gothenburg, Steau Bucharest, and Red Star Belgrade.
CastofthousandsMay 18, 2016 at 23:54
‘..Don’t be too harsh on the wee timid journalists; they are trapped in a milieu not of their own making. They are unable to see the wood for the trees.’
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I’m not so sure, CoT, that ‘they are unable to see the wood for the trees’.
I believe, on the contrary, that they know as much as we on this blog know, or suspect, of the dirty deeds of SDM, and of the Football Authorities.
How could they not at least ASK questions, searching questions, and do the kind of forensic research that some of the wonderful posters on this blog have done?
Look at the way posters on this blog are able to ask questions about what lies (!) behind today’s ‘statement’ about Rangers retail.
Where is there any realistic discussion either by the ‘sports’ people or by the ‘business’ people in our Press of what King is up to?
There comes a point where you have to tell your bosses to go take a flying…
It’s only gombeen men who tug the forelock and sell their souls.
BarcabhoyMay 19, 2016 at 01:07
‘…Why Uefa coefficients permanently condemn Scotland to 2nd Class status’
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I have to say that,in my opinion, this is a big squirrel.
Let’s not bloody well divert this blog into talking about ‘nasty Uefa’ and its ‘co-efficients’ that damage Scottish football.
We are about the nasty SFA (and others) that has/have damaged Scottish Football almost beyond redemption by its complicity in deception and in its cynical betrayal of any kind of Sporting Integrity.
Scottish Football is, beyond peradventure, crooked.
Who then, can be arsed?
Not many of us will line the pockets of cheats,or the tacit supporters of cheats.
This blog has never been about one issue . Scottish Football is about more than Res 12 , LNS and the regulatory bodies. Important as they are , there is still a game played in a domestic and also wider context.
Regardless of the outcome of those issues there will still be a game and other issues are also important . The minute this blog becomes only about one issue, one topic then it’s usefulness and value is diminished.
I’m sure you never meant to offend, but given everything this blog has to contend with from those who’s clear intent is to undermine, calling a post a big squirrel is pretty strong stuff
I see Tom English on his Twitter timeline saying Journalists have asked questions about the TOG report, but you (those engaging with him on Twitter) won’t like the answers.
Media – ‘Hi SFA, is there any truth in any of this?’.
SFA – ‘No it’s all made up nonsense being driven by Celtic fans’
Media – ‘As we suspected, sorry to bother you’.
You don’t need to be a genius to work out who any journalist is likely to have asked at the SFA. Sadly it appears the media are now completely in bed with the SFA over this matter. Not one inch can ever be conceded, no matter what.
UPTHEHOOPSMAY 19, 2016 at 07:12
I see Tom English on his Twitter timeline saying Journalists have asked questions about the TOG report, but you (those engaging with him on Twitter) won’t like the answers.
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All he has to do is show us the questions asked and of whom and we will judge the answers – it’s easy!
I know Phil is busy with his other stuff but I am expecting an update from him regarding Mr Ashley today or tpmorrow
Re. Tom English
If the truthful answers to the questions don’t fit our narrative there’s nothing not to like – and if that was the case Tom English would be caught in the rush to tell us.
What English is doing on his timeline is not journalism. It’s blethering. He is on message with all the other tabloid jocks in his mission to discredit the messengers. No issues discussed because they don’t possess the wit to grasp them so they take their direction from Level 5.
Engaging the likes of him or Jackson or other Pretendhacks on Twitter will only leave an unpleasant odour on your keyboard and allow them to further ingratiate themselves with HatMB.
These guys are lost to the truth. They will never be part of the solution, because they are active participants in the cover-up. In truth before very long they will no longer have a platform as the MSM reach recedes into the distance.
Ignore them.
JC as Barca said, think the squirrel call was a bit harsh? I was certainly unaware how screwed we are before a ball is kicked?
On the trfc/mash IP issue, have to say that looks like a squirrel to me! Agree with a couple of previous posters that this is to deflect attention from the lack of funds or player acquisitions, or possibly to get some quick cash from MA to keep the lights on. Knowing that DK is not quite as flush as has been made out, and the other directors have put up the bulk of the funds so far, how much longer can this continue? Really, there has to be a point where at least one of them say ‘Here enough of this, I’m out’?
Tom English is a journalist I used to have a modicum of respect for, thought he was better than most. Over the last year/18 months he has slid down in my estimation to the level (-5) of KJ, CJ et al? Craven, conniving and worst of all a big fearty?
Talk of how bad the media situation is a wee bit earlier made me think of an idea I have suggested a few times and I know plenty of others have as well, but taking SFM into the mainstream, or someone somewhere launching a truly independent paper/online news channel/something surely would capture a large audience pretty quickly and then, hopefully, a snowball effect would follow?
Keep up the great work lads!
BarcabhoyMay 19, 2016 at 01:07
Why Uefa coefficients permanently condemn Scotland to 2nd Class status
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I lost most of my interest in the European Cup when it somehow morphed into the current “Champions League” format, which is of course a complete misnomer om two counts. It’s not for Champions, it’s for clubs from “big” countries, and it’s not a league either, it’s a hybrid competition like the old Scottish League Cup back in the 60’s..
Of course the competition hasn’t reached its present form by accident, there has been a clear intention over many years to favour clubs from the “big” nations, and to disadvantage clubs from the “diddy” nations. I assume it’s all about money and TV, but I’m not very clear on the mechanism by which UEFA achieved the current format.
Did the national associations of Europe actually vote for this, and was the voting weighted in favour of the “big 5”? If it was done through an unweighted voting system, then it looks like a lot of the smaller turkeys must have voted for Christmas.
The Champions League is clearly heading towards the sort of European super league proposed by Karl Heinz Rumminige a few months ago- invitation only, diddy teams need not apply.
I honestly have no idea what countries like Scotland can do about it. The big boys will get what they want, and the rest can all go hang.
Barcabhoy
I too think ‘squirrel’ is harsh.
I am sure JC did not intend to offend, and is merely feeling frustrated and has a sense of ‘why bother’?
If the eventual outcome of our campaign for fundamental change in the game at home is a negative one, I would probably echo that sentiment.
I also share your anger that coefficient system is grossly unfair, but no more unfair than what has gone on in Scotland for the sake of a big club and big money. A bit of Karma at work?
We have no sound moral basis for complaining about a rigged competition in Europe when we run a rigged competition here. Cleaning house first may provide us with that.
To follow on the theme started by others I would like to post an open letter to Tom English. Yesterday I was reliably informed that the SFA keep an eye on this site so I think it is fair to assume that there is a good chance that Tom does too.
Tom,
On twitter you have been informing us that the TOG report is flawed and that is why it is not getting the coverage. A number of your fellow “reporters” have also claimed the same. Well there are two points I would like you to respond to on the issue.
Firstly, information being “flawed” has never stopped our media reporting in the past. Craig Whyte had “wealth off the radar” was easily disproved in minutes by internet “bampots”. Likewise, that Charles Green had a NOMAD lined up and ready to go. I could go on but I will move to what is my main point.
The TOG report may be flawed but, if it is and I don’t hold with that, it can only be the answers it gives that can be labeled thus. The questions it raises, by definition, cannot be but you and those others in the Scottish media refuse to ask those questions in print never mind find the answers. There was a time when journalists if they had any skill at all would jump at the chance to investigate but not anymore. They would rather trust in handouts from Level 5, handouts that time after time have encapsulated the very meaning of the word “flawed”. You have tweeted that reporters have asked the question but where can we see those answers that you say we will not like? I must admit that, unless these answers, if published, were accompanied by details of the investigative follow up that they warrant, I would at the very least scrutinise them with a degree of suspicion. The assertion that “we wouldn’t like the answers” assumes that our aim is to prove that wrong has been done and to expose it. I do not doubt that there those among us who do have that aim but the overall aim of this site, as I have learned over the few months I have posted, is to have the questions asked independently and fairly. The trust in our game following all that has gone on over this last one and a half decades has been eroded to such an extent that even the cup draws and referees’ performances are called into question, falsely in my opinion. You people in the fifth estate are largely to blame for that. The abandonment of role of investigative journalists that your forerunners valued and the flooding of the press with PR releases predominantly relating to one club has not only seen press sales decimated but the respect of the public too.
So publish the answers that you believe we will not like but ensure you also publish what backs them up as our lack of trust will demand no less. Statements from the SFA and SPFL will not suffice.
Over to you Tom.
Now I have fifty buses to catch so I am out of here.
Agreed BP, but as barca says, surely we can look at more than 1 issue at a time?
Although, the focus has to remain on the SFA and Scottish game for sure!
Sometimes one just has to laugh, no matter how serious the issue.
If the report (or anything else for that matter) is “flawed” then just tell your readers, listeners or viewers in what way it is flawed. Otherwise you just come across as a Monty Python sketch.
Oh look, this isn’t an argument.Yes it is.No it isn’t. It’s just contradiction.No it isn’t.
If anyone thinks that the report is “flawed” and they have a reason to think that then surely giving at least a brief explanation of how it is “flawed” is the only reasonable route for someone who considers themselves a serious journalist.
Unless of course “flawed” is now a synonym for inconvenient.
Oh, quickly before I hit the road.
Tom, if you want to view “flawed” can I suggest the LNS report.
Bye.
On the Rangers Retail deal latest , I had a handle on the detail of this a couple of years back, but my memory is failing fast, so I’ll just give it my best shot-all corrections very welcome!
Contrary to the BBC report, Rangers Retail is in fact controlled by its minority shareholder, Sports Direct, whose 49 shares carry two votes each on any significant matters, so 98 votes compared to The Rangers 51 votes from its 51 shares.
Although the IP is owned by TRFC, I thought it was licensed to Rangers Retail under a licensing agreement. This was checked out with the Intellectual Property Office some time ago, and I believe that was the case then. I don’t think the terms of the license agreement are in the public domain, but I find it hard to believe that TRFC could simply terminate them without notice. However that is how the papers are reporting it.
I believe the notorious “Retail Deal” is a separate matter- that is the deal with the 7 year notice period, we are currently in the first year of the notice period.
So can TRFC legally withdraw these licenses “just like that”? It seems unlikely that Ashley’s legal team would have drafted licenses in those terms, but that’s what the papers seem to be saying.
In the event of any unresolved dispute at Rangers Retail, I believe that SD have the right to acquire the 51 shares held by TRFC, at a price based on the latest profits. Is King so desperate for cash that he hopes to force a sale of Rangers Retail to Ashley? But there are terms set out in the 2012 AIM prospectus under which Retail gets a worldwide exclusive license to the IP, and TRFC gets a license fee. Here is the relevant section of the prospectus-
Barca, in principle I agree with you. In practice I am conscious that the current system is in place to ward off a Euro super league.
If the minority of nations voted to return to a level playing field, how long do you think it would take before the 16 – 20 biggest (box-office) teams resigned from their respective national leagues and set up their own pan-European league and cup competitions? How much publicity and revenue would this take from the existing UEFA competitions? What financial consequences would ensue for those mid-tier nations that occasionally get to play with the big boys?
The current system is a compromise of sorts. Trying to get to a situation where the “big” clubs are more likely to leave uefa competitions, is not going to appeal to many of the smaller nations. It just ain’t gonna happen!
Also, in my view, seeding is fundamentally unfair anyway. It’s only purpose is getting the best (box-office) teams to the latter stages of a competition. It negate the chance element that might see better (box-office) teams leave a competition early because of an unfavourable draw.
To that extent the current system works perfectly!
What would be the desired outcomes here? Remove seeding altogether – every nation gets an equal number of places and each team placed in the draw with an equal chance?
Or are you looking for a different system – so that different nations/teams are favoured?
Either way, if the biggest (box-office) teams have already walked off stage, the majority of the audience wouldn’t care less what the supporting cast do?
It may be unfair; but what can be done?
Firstly in the unusual position of disagreeing with John Clark. The state of the Euro competitions and the inherent bias within its organisation is very much something that this site should be interested in. If this becomes a one topic site then it will quickly die a death. ALL that is unfair and corrupt in the game we love dearly should be fair game.
Does it matter if the big boys leave? We aren’t getting much from them as it is. We get the occasional chance to play against them, but only after 10 qualifying rounds which start two weeks before the previous season finishes! Ok slight exaggeration, but the situation we are in now is hopeless. It IS going to lead to a breakaway. The big clubs WILL eventually decide to breakaway, they are consumed by greed to be able to buy average players at higher and higher prices. An arms race that will ultimately cause the end of football as it is today.
Best thing that could happen is the smaller nations decide enough is enough and tell them to bugger off and go form their super league. I haven’t watched any European game this season, nor last, nor probably the season before. I have no interest in these over paid, over-rated numpties. I actually prefer to watch the Scottish game. Oh but he quality is crap I hear the worthies scream – its maybe not as technically strong as others, but that doesn’t make it any less exciting. Excitement and technical quality are not in any way related. When I watch football I want excitement, otherwise whats the point?!?
HIRSUTEPURSUITMAY 19, 2016 at 09:44
“Either way, if the biggest (box-office) teams have already walked off stage, the majority of the audience wouldn’t care less what the supporting cast do?
It may be unfair; but what can be done?
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I doubt there would be much needs done HP. Most clubs don’t play in the top league in their own country, let alone a “European” league.
However players must come from somewhere, and I would advocate not only a Premium transfer fee, but also a levy paid to every club the player ever played for, and contributed in his rise through the ranks to “greatness”. Maybe £5/10m per club, and a further £5/10m to a development fund of his home nation.
If that is the route they want, let them take it I say. I would be more than happy with an alternative set-up (excluding the high and mighty) and a Euro-wide competition of the top league winners from each nation, in a home and away straight knock-out tourney……Sound familiar?
Maybe then we will see a club win the alternative, fielding players from within a 30 mile radius.
NEEPHEIDMAY 19, 2016 at 09:28
Posted similar yesterday.
The wording in the prospectus doesn’t make clear if the IP Agreement that would come in effect after a potential SDI buy out would be the same as (and I presume there must be one) the IP agreement that is part of the overall retail agreement.
The fact that Ashley wanted control over all the IP as part of the loan deals makes me wonder if there maybe is a loophole in the overall contract re IP that he hasn’t covered and King & Co may have found a way to pull the plug.
You can say what you like about King but as a convicted tax dodger he knows a thing or two about how to work the system and squeeze out money and opportunities where others may have missed a trick. A ‘takes one to know one’ type of thing. He should not be underestimated.
As seen in recent court performances Ashley’s legal team do not seem to be as smart as some people had hoped.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958)May 18, 2016 at 20:46
Hi guys. Is it just me who can’t access the site properly.I’m always getting “script messages” & the site keeps freezing.anyone got any advice on how to stop this?. Cheers.
TJB Possibly some ads that are the problem – or the theme on the site. Looking into it. T
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Glad I’m not the only one, TJB, but seems to be OK now. Sadly, I thought it might have had something to do with Windows 10 and the scheduled update (to download ’10’) they’d applied to my PCs without my knowledge. Stupidly I decided to give Windows 10 a go on my older laptop. Bad decision; I am now resetting it using my recovery discs, so losing all the (not very important, but annoying to lose) data I had on that laptop! Have cancelled the scheduled ‘update’ on this laptop!
Sorry about that off topic rant, but by god, Windows 10…
