The increasing attacks on social media by the main stream press, fuelled in some respect by David Murray’s vague threats of litigation against bloggers, has brought into sharp focus the challenges facing the Blogosphere. It also brings into even sharper focus the prescience of Stuart Cosgrove’s assertion that this summer’s ‘epistemological break’ had begun to marginalize the Scottish sporting wing of the MSM.
The reality of that assertion is embedded in the misreporting of the FTT decision as a victory for RFC, falsely alleging that those who operated the EBT scheme had been exonerated, that RFC had ‘done nothing wrong’, and consequently accusing ‘vindictive anti-Rangers bloggers’ of playing a part in the downfall of that once great Scottish institution. It is also evident in Tom English’s rather bitter and one-dimensional anti-RTC polemic today in the Scotland on Sunday. Had it been entitled “Self Preservation”, it may have rung a few more truth bells.
I am not of the belief that the MSM is an instinctively pro-Rangers estate, but I do think that their reportage of the FTT is more geared towards discrediting the newly emergent forces in the social media area than it is towards rehabilitating the public image of RFC or David Murray.
However despite the contempt in which many people here hold the MSM and Murray, English does have a point that we would be foolish to ignore. No-one can deny that we do have a duty to ensure that we are responsible in how we present ourselves to the public. Now that our (and others’) success as a real and creative alternative has spurred the MSM into action, we are subject to greater scrutiny than at any time in the past. Our view is that we have to be pro-actively engaged in setting a standard for ourselves that is above those that the MSM have set for themselves.
We have on TSFM an audience exponentially greater than the number of posts. That presents us with a great opportunity to get our message across, but it also burdens us with an increased responsibility not to fall into the trap which has besought the Succulent Lamb Brigade.
We are a very different animal from RTC. RTC him or herself had information and insight to bring to the table that the administrators of this site do not. The founder and former admin of TSFM had the idea that the talent available from posters on the RTC – not just RTC himself – should continue to have a forum in a post-RTC world, and that those talents could be used to challenge the myths regularly represented as facts by lazy journalists in the MSM.
We have at our disposal on this blog forensic analysis of legal, media and corporate matters. We have an abundance of creative minds, all passionate about the game of football AS WELL AS a partisan love for their chosen club. With all that talent and expertise, we can make an impact on the agenda by challenging the misinformation and substandard journalism of the MSM, and our finest moments are when we do that. We lose authority and influence when the debate is impeded by bald accusation or innuendo backed up with little more than an historical view of our country.
Our biggest impact (and largest audience) is to be found when when our experts have collectively torn apart those myths presented as truths by the MSM, and when we have asked the questions that the MSM either can’t or won’t ask or answer. Those are the things that have driven the traffic to this site, and many of the emails we get congratulate us on that.
Our credibility plummets though when we go down the partisan path. We also get literally hundreds of emails from fans who ask that we cut down on the comments of those who are merely venting outrage at how they see the game being mismanaged (mainly so they can access the important stuff more quickly), and from fans who are just fed up with the constant name-calling – almost exclusively aimed at Ally McCoist and other Rangers figures.
If we claim to be an intellectual and journalistic rung or two above the likes of the Red Tops (not to mention to be decent and respectful of others), we need to refrain from the name calling and accusatory culture. We can ask questions, put items for debate on the public agenda, point out apparent irregularities and anomalies. In rushing to judgement of others from the comfort of the glow of our own laptop screens, we are guilty of the same lazy journalism we see in others. Name calling (all good fun of course on a fan site) is just a lazy thought process and as English says, comes across as “nasty”.
We never saw RTC as a fan-site. The original administrator of this blog never saw TSFM as one either, and nor do we. In order to succeed properly, we need sensible fans of ALL clubs to be comfortable and feel secure in our midst. Of course we are not breaking any laws, but can anyone honestly say that we have evolved into a welcoming place for Rangers fans?
TSFM is not about hounding any one club out of existence or into shame or infamy. In the Rangers saga we have sought to ensure that the football authorities play fair with everyone and stick to their own rules. One well kent RTC contributor, and no friend of Rangers, often said that if the FTT found in favour of Rangers we should move along and accept it. Well they did find in favour of Rangers in the majority of cases. That may not suit many of us, but we are the Scottish Football Monitor, not a Judicial Watchdog. We can say why we disagree with the decision, but criticism of the process through which the decision was arrived at is beyond our purview.
Since the accusation is often made in the MSM, we should state, unequivocally and unreservedly, that we are NOT anti-Rangers. Their fans face the same issues as the rest of us and they are welcome here. We are however, equally unequivocally against the gravy train journalism of the Scottish Football Wing of the MSM (with one or two honourable exceptions).
If the Anti-Blogateers in the press are correct, the popularity of the TSFM will recede as the Rangers Tax case reverts to the back pages before disappearing for good. However I do not believe that they are correct. I don’t believe that Scottish football fans are only motivated by either hatred – or even dislike – of one club. I believe we are more concerned with the game itself than the pot-stirrers in the MSM would have us believe, because we understand the interdependence of football clubs.
But we also understand that the people who run football clubs do not always run their clubs for the benefit of the fans. In the business world, that may not be out of the ordinary, since businesses are run for the benefit of shareholders.
However football reserves for itself a special place in the hearts of people in this country. If the people who run football clubs want to retain that favourable status, they have to be accountable to the fans.
The difficulty in holding them to account though, is that the cosy relationship cultivated between club directors, managers and players and the press renders the access to information a closed shop, and the information itself is heavily filtered and spun.
As long as we keep asking questions in response to the fruit of that cosy relationship, we will be providing people with an alternative angle and viewpoint, allowing them to come to their own conclusions, and not the one the MSM post-presser huddle delivers to us wrapped up in a bow.
For the SFM specifically, we believe that to have any influence, we need to enable the expertise at our disposal to flourish. It is also vital to our project that Rangers fans are included in our dialogue. We just can’t call ourselves the Scottish Football Monitor if they are largely excluded from participation because they feel they are being treated disrespectfully.
We can’t tolerate the accusations and name calling. We need to stick to what we have done best; factual analysis, conjecture based on known facts and on-line discourse leading to searching questions being asked.
One of the things we are looking at for the near future is to set up some kind of formal and transparent channel of communication between the SFM and the football authorities. Being truly representative of fans will make that easier to achieve.
The MSM will continue to attack the social media outlets. In one way you can understand it. Their jobs are at stake. The business model of the print media in particular has changed massively over the last five years, manifesting itself mainly in increasingly under-resourced newsrooms. Consequently it is besought by increasingly unreliable and under-researched journalism, even to the point where much of it is no longer journalism at all.
By comparison the Blogosphere has access to greater human and time resources, is able to react to unfolding events in real time, and crucially (because it has been eschewed instead of embraced by print media proprietors) has been occupied by ordinary folk with little or no vested interest.
We are still in position to provide a service in our small niche of the on-line world. We have rights to publish and speak freely about our passion, but we also have to live up to the attendant responsibilities, and thus the appeal for discretion on posting comments.
Where Tom English got it completely wrong (in the uniquely ironic way the MSM have about them), is that his industry has mistaken the rights others have earned for them as entitlement, and ignored almost completely the responsibility they had to act on behalf of those who pay their wages.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/dundee-united-wary-of-war-with-rangers-as-sky-set-to-televise-cup-tie-1-2675407
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/hearts-tax-deal-as-sergejus-fedotovas-warns-of-more-trouble-ahead-1-2674701
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/sfa-brings-charges-against-elgin-city-chairman-and-lomas-1-2677222
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/dundee-united-await-sfa-response-over-cash-split.19605276
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/hearts-fans-asked-to-dig-deeper-to-get-their-club-out-of-a-hole.19604451
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/dundee-united-fans-voice-disappointment-as-sfa-prepares-to-meet.1354711255
Kudos to all.
Bet that ITV reporter who tweeted “goodbye Celtic” on the day of the draw feels a right fud now?
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he was misquoted – he actually tweeted ” goodbye Chelsea”
campsiejoe says:
Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 23:32
So the SPL clubs would have major financial problems due to missing out on 1 or 2 visits from Sevco
I think the UEFA bonus will go a long way towards making that up
If this is Armageddon, I want more of it
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Camsiejoe…spot on!
Many wanted Celtic FC to make a comment about the whole RFC(IA/IL) omnishambles…now they have spoken…and how!
No surprise there then that sky have picked up the game at Tannidice. I think sky have (And are planning to show) more games involving a newclub in the bottom tier of Scottish football than games showing the current SPL Champions. The fixture is not even the biggest in the draw.
I love my football, with skys coverage of the Spanish and English leagues, but I am seriously thinking of cancelling.
ESPN seems to be showing far more games involving my club. One has to wonder what actually went on in summer with the talks with SKY, SFA, and a certain 3rd division club.
Did anyone actually see David Tanners interview with Richard Gough prior to the cup draw on SSN?
Lomas, meanwhile,. faces further sanctions after being called before a hearing, also on 20 December, for kicking a water bottle. Lomas was handed his current suspension after being sent to the stand during his side’s 1-1 draw with Celtic in October and the sanction – a six-match ban, plus the activation of a suspended two-game ban – was imposed last Thursday, a day after he was dismissed against Hibernian.
It is his actions against Hibs which will be under scrutiny after an alleged breach of disciplinary rule 203, specifically “misconduct at a match by failing to behave in a responsible manner as an occupant of the technical area by kicking a water bottle carrier causing water bottles to land in the stand.”
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Meanwhile, Charles Green has publically supported a boycott of a fellow member club while calling them ‘the enemy’.
Action for Green – nothing
Action for Lomas, for kicking a water bottle – charged, and a likely extension of an 8 match ban, 6 of which were awarded for saying a Ross County player dived. Said player admitted he did dive.
I seriously despair at the people in charge of our game…
Dermot Desmond has spoken
“Desmond believes Celtic’s progression to the knockout rounds is a major boost not only for the club but for Scottish football in general.
He added: “For Celtic and for Scottish football it shows that Scottish football is a competitive league and that we can perform on the European stage.
“We’re in the last 16 and hopefully we’ll go on from here. It’s ticked a box for Celtic and it’s ticked a box for Scottish football.””
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2012/1206/1224327573279.html
Tommy says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 02:05
… it has become imperative that the real owner(s) of Ibrox and Murray Park be identified.
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Why? Perhaps of interest to potential investors, but why would anyone else care?
Just a thought. Is it possible that the new level of competition in the SPL this year has maybe been to some sort of advantage to Celtic FC and their magnificant achievement in the Champions League. In the past we have bemoaned the ‘Lack of consistent competition’ in the SPL for our shortcomings. Could we be seeing a reversal? As i said. Just a thought.
A couple of soaraway Daily Record headlines over the last 24 hours or so …
“Rangers fans hail Charles Green boycott of Dundee United clash …”
“Rangers fans hit out at Charles Green over Scottish Cup ticket decision”
Nothing like a bit of consistent reporting, eh? 🙂
angus1983 says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 10:00
“but why would anyone else care?”
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Because we are still constantly being told that the whole of Scottish Football needs Rangers.
Therefore it must be in everyone elses interest to know that things going on at the cluib are all above board and that the club will be run in a sustainable manner and survive over the short to medium term. Otherwise, according to many, we will be facing Armageddon again.
Given that they apparently underpin the whole of Scottish Football, then those running the club must surely have a duty to be open and honest, not only to their own supporters and investors but to all of us!!!!!
SSN paper review this morning ripping into the Daily Record for printing some ‘Happy Birthday Rangers’ pull out section on the day when there is another quite big story in Scottish fitba. Things have really gone downhill since Traynor quit…
So according to the following extract from the BBC website any TRFC fan is NOT buying a share of the club but a share of the holding company. Supporters will not be buying a piece of Rangers Football Club.
“The document also states: “Upon admission, Rangers International Football Club plc will acquire Rangers Football Club Limited on the basis of a one for one share exchange and after admission Rangers International Football Club plc will be the holding company for the group.”
I do hope the MSM & TRFC fans realise this.
Probably not.
angus1983 says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 10:00
Tommy says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 02:05
… it has become imperative that the real owner(s) of Ibrox and Murray Park be identified.
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Why? Perhaps of interest to potential investors, but why would anyone else care?
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Angus, I was merely giving the sooper slewths of the MSM a nudge to do their jobs.
Okay then, I should have known better!
angus1983 says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 10:14
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Angus, maybe more accurate headlines would have been:
“ 50,000 Rangers fans hail Charles Green boycott of Dundee United clash …”
“2 Rangers fans hit out at Charles Green over Scottish Cup ticket decision”
There was talk yesterday about the Rangers International thing being simialr to a Nigerian scam.
I hope people weren’t referring to this Rangers International club.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enugu_Rangers
Senior says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 00:45
OT there must be some musical talent on here who can write the lyrics of a song with Armageddon as the refrain?
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Senior …av’ sssolutely no talent but thought of this.
To the tune of The Wall by Floyd..Pink obviously ..not Keith 🙂
We don’t need no reconstruction..
Arma geddon was the lie you told..
The 5 way stitch up in your hampden darkrooms…
HEY.!!… OGILVIE !!…JUST REPAY YIR LOAN…
All in all..your just another EBT clone…
what you think, any potential ? 🙂
Feel free to add more verses..
Let’s see.
Elgin City try to ensure more fans attend football match, bringing immediate condemnation from SFL chairman Longmuir. Result, 2 days later, a £25,000 fine, with £5,000 of that going to a place of NuRangers choosing. Then 9 days on, Elgin chairman on an SFA charge.
NuRangers try to ensure less fans attend a football match. No comments from anyone in authority at SFA. Result, well, it’s now 2 days later…..
Now, I know that what Elgin did was very wrong, so my comments are ‘tongue in cheek’. Yet the situation drew instant criticism from those at the top in Scottish football. Longmuir even used the opportunity to decry clubs for charging NuRangers fans less than NuRangers actually charge away fans at Ibrox, in another display of perverse logic. The MSM also managed to denounce the small clubs, but not NuRangers, for ‘profiteering’ while they’ve been hushed regarding Green’s official pronouncement that fans shouldn’t attend a match in 2 months time.
To the MSM: I see they’ve managed to bring at infamous abandoned 2009 match at Tannadice into many of their reports of Green’s latest official outburst, yet I don’t think I’ve seen mention of the cup match this year where Rangers, ignoring the SFA rules about payment on the day of the match, simply refused to shell out to Dundee United. Nithsdale Loyal predictably lost a court case, which underlined Dundee United’s position as correct, while the SFA have also simply done the same as Rangers, and ignored the rules of the SFA cup competition.
Senior says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 00:45
OT there must be some musical talent on here who can write the lyrics of a song with Armageddon as the refrain?
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Senior …av’ sssolutely no talent but thought of this.
To the tune of The Wall by Floyd..Pink obviously ..not Keith
We don’t need no reconstruction..
Arma geddon was the lie you told..
The 5 way stitch up in your hampden darkrooms…
HEY.!!… OGILVIE !!…JUST REPAY YIR LOAN…
All in all..your just another EBT clone…
what you think, any potential ?
Feel free to add more verses..
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Hey come on I can see a hidden talent there.
Maybe a little late for the Christmas market but deffo no 1 in the New Year!
What about new lyrics to the tune ‘I hate Mondays’ – ………….. Rats
I attended Dundee Utd’s cup tie at Stair Park Stranraer last saturday.Utd swept Stranraer aside,I was impressed.The travelling support were also excellent.Its a long way from Tayside to the south west,yet they came in good numbers and certainly seemed to enjoy their day.
It initially seemed they were duly rewarded with a high profile tie,generating income through tickets and tv.
Its a real shame how this is now panning out.There wil be 1000s of gers fans who would love to have attended this match.I hope they make their feelings known.
As for the other gers fans….there’s an Elvis song with the lyric “before you accuse,criticise and abuse….walk a mile in my shoes”Until certain sections of the gers fraternity at least attempt to appreciate the difficult position Dundee Utd and other clubs were placed in by the demise of their own club,I can only see repeat scenarios.
I hope the authorities can walk the mile in utd’s shoes and provide them with real support here.
http://www.scotprem.com/content/mediaassets/doc/RULES%20EFFECTIVE%2016%20JULY%202012%20(CLEAN).pdf
http://www.iii.co.uk/markets/?type=aimnews&articleid=8804566&action=article
Going over old ground I know; but I’m glad Charles has cleared this up for us.
[The] Rangers Football Club Ltd is the new association football club – currently operating the Rangers FC brand. Rangers International Football Club plc is the holding company for [The] Rangers Football Club Ltd.
The Rangers Football Club plc was the association football club – previously operating the Rangers FC brand. The Rangers FC Group Ltd (Wavetower Ltd) was the holding company for The Rangers Football Club plc.
So, in this light, Lord Nimmo Smith may want to look at the definition of an SPL “Club” in a much simpler (and correct!) manner.
The “owner & operator” of the previous club to operate the Rangers FC brand (“The Rangers Football Club plc”) was The Rangers FC Group Ltd (Wavetower Ltd).
The old Club is currently in liquidation. The old Club’s “owner & operator” has applied to be struck off the company register.
The new club operating the Rangers FC brand (“The Rangers Football Club Ltd”) has never been a member of the SPL. The future “owner & operator” of the new club has also never been a member of the SPL.
The new club’s only connection to the old Club is that they both operate(d) using the Rangers FC brand.
The new club and its future “owner & operator” have no legitimate interest in the SPL enquiry into the actions of the Club – “The Rangers Football Club plc”.
The die has been cast they must now boycott all other SPL league teams. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
Will BDO challenge the names or branding of all these new clubs/companys/holding companys/etc etc. ? They all sound a bit to similar to Oldco.
rustyploughbhoy says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 12:36
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Will BDO challenge the names or branding of all these new clubs/companys/holding companys/etc etc. ? They all sound a bit to similar to Oldco.
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in answer to your question …. no idea
however, slightly related
If Chuckles is set to raise £27M investment in the company….then it would certainly appear that he paid way beneath the going rate for the assets. I’m sure BDO could unwind the whole lot and simply conduct the sale themselves to raise much more for creditors
I may be wrong, but has anyone else detected a small, yet perceptible, distance being placed between the DR and The Rangers since Traynor left?
No outright condemnation for Green following his ridiculous statement the other day, true – but there was the admittance of Rangers actually being found liable for some of the tax, and of the couple of articles I read this morning, it was noticable that there was a subtle change in tone. The article quoting Bomber’s support for Green’s stance managed to mention that there are some who think that Green’s response was petty, and the context was that Bomber was responding to those accusations. Additionally, there’s the article about Neil Patey’s assessment of the share offer which, if you look past the ‘RANGERS WORTH 50 MILLION!’ headline, is actually pretty scathing, although dressed up in such a way that he ends by saying that Charles Green is pretty impressive…..for presuading people that Rangers are worth 50 million.
I mean, theres still the usual mis-representation and such like elsewhere, but are we beginning to see a shift, even if only so that a few months down the line, they’ll be able to pillory him without inconvienent quotes along the lines of ‘Motherwell born billionaire’ or ‘off the radar wealth’ being used to discredit them? Looks like they may have learned from having their fingers so badly burnt last time…..
When are we expecting to hear the announcement from the sfa that they have thrown D UTD out the cup for bringing Trfc into disrepute. Awarded the cup to Trfc and stated that this years cup winners will be Scotlands representitives in the Champions League next season due to the fact that Celtic couldn’t even win their group.
Will traynor take up a position at Trfc in the near future, if he does then it begs the question of how long has he known of the position and did he use his tabloid ( who cares ) or his licence funded position at the BBC ( we should all care ) to spout his half truths, no truths and vitriol on the unfolding saga, and so ingratiate himself with his future employers.
I dont like the feeling that my licence fee allowed this poor journalist an extended interview process.
I feel an email to the BBC coming on.
@rab
Chill man – Traynor is no longer spouting his stuff in the Record, and may not be at the BBC for much longer.
It’s a good thing. Enjoy it.
Well done to Celtic yesterday, a hard fought game but a deserved win. Each SPL Club receiving a fairly large sum of money was also great news for Scottish football.
A quick question, I remember that Chuckles, not long after his buying of RFC’s old assets and starting his new Club, stating that he could have multiple (20?) billionaire investors if he wanted, but that he wouldn’t because he didn’t need them. It was a Daily Record front or back page, I had a look but couldn’t find it. Anyone got a link?
whullie on Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 00:03
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bawsman says:
Wednesday, December 5, 2012 at 12:07
Can someone explain to me why the RFFF are named as creditors, or on the comittee representing creditors?
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The “face-painter” is the wife of a friend of mine. She confirms (via him) that she was paid by the RFFF.
Also……….was it not the case that the company who made the crystal thingymabob for David Weir were also “squared up” by the RFFF?
Apparently fans “tane a riddy” when the club bumped these people and paid off some of the smaller debts.
Could this be why they feature as creditors?
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Whullie, it was widely reported – even on RM, etc – that two fans had paid the face painter and not the RFFF. The RFFF accounts showed NO payments to any of RFC’s creditors (the accounts appear to have now been removed). Either way it wouldn’t matter because the RFFF does not legally exist so simply cannot be a creditor. I suspect (as someone pointed out yesterday) the chairman have been a creditor as a deb holder and has put his RFFF position down to give himself some clout.
Having been a way for a few days I missed the Traynor business. When did it happen and why? And does this mean he’ll be leaving the Beeb as well?
John Brown in the DR;
“People have to understand this is not about fans boycotting the game because of the administration and everything that came along with the sanctions.
“This is mainly about a game which was cancelled. That chairman of theirs insisted Rangers fans paid for a second time to get into the match.
“The supporters paid good money to go up and watch the first match and it was postponed. Yet when they rearranged the fixture he still charged the punters for a second time.
“To me, that is the worst of the worst.
“Therefore I can completely understand the Rangers supporters on this one and I genuinely don’t believe there is any real grievance towards the United fans.
“To me this is about the chairman and I agree with the total boycott because of that lad Thompson.
“I know they have been trying to get back at people who were involved in the voting regards the administration and the demotion to the Third Division, but this is outwith that.
“Although they were still sticking the knife in during the administration, that really has nothing to do with this. The cheek of the guy to charge them a second time was incredible.
“That just cashed in on the loyalty of the Rangers supporters and it was out of order. Enough is enough.”
But RFC supporters boycotted the replay, fair enough, so why carry it all on ? Not to mention it has nothing to do with Sevco Rovers.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-have-last-laugh-in-tannadice-1045096
When Willie Miller worked for Aberdeen Football Club, he left the BBC and only appeared when he was interviewed as an employee of AFC.
If Jim is working for TRFC I would imagine that a similar would be applied.
wottpi says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 11:33
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There was talk yesterday about the Rangers International thing being simialr to a Nigerian scam.
I hope people weren’t referring to this Rangers International club.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enugu_Rangers
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Yes, you’re actual Flying Antelopes of Enugu. Their website is down, but they may be getting extra hits from people searching for The Rangers International FC, or whatever name it goes under this month. The whole thing is a gift for those who enjoy sending Nigeria Letters!
Should have added this with last post, link to John Bonkers Brown article
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-legend-john-brown-backs-1475486
A wee post from a DU fan regarding the 2009 incident:
From the Scottish Football Forums:
JimmyGomis says:
“Yeah, I was speaking to a Rangers fan who said “yeah man, I was at the game and they said keep your tickets stubs for the next game” – In his head he worked this out as meaning getting in for free.
I told him I was at the game too and I heard “Keep your ticket stubs as they will be required to gain access to the rearranged fixture.”
A lot of people wrongly assumed this meant that the ticket stub would get you into the next game for nowt. What United meant was, keep them as they will be required to gain access at half price for the next game. It was an all ticket game, so they still had to make sure only original ticket holders would get access – in case they all wanted to go to the rearranged fixture.
My point is, people who attended the rearranged fixture wrongly claim that they were ripped off – and they are still doing it. If you went to the original game, and then attended the rearranged one, you were charged for a ticket and a half, if you like – to watch a game and a half. You got what you paid for. I can’t see why people thought this 2nd game should have been free.
I said before, the only way you lost out is if you didn’t go to the rearranged game.”
ordinaryfan says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 13:37
John Brown in the DR;
“People have to understand this is not about fans boycotting the game because of the administration and everything that came along with the sanctions.
“This is mainly about a game which was cancelled. That chairman of theirs insisted Rangers fans paid for a second time to get into the match.
“The supporters paid good money to go up and watch the first match and it was postponed. Yet when they rearranged the fixture he still charged the punters for a second time.
“To me, that is the worst of the worst.
“Therefore I can completely understand the Rangers supporters on this one and I genuinely don’t believe there is any real grievance towards the United fans.
“To me this is about the chairman and I agree with the total boycott because of that lad Thompson.
“I know they have been trying to get back at people who were involved in the voting regards the administration and the demotion to the Third Division, but this is outwith that.
“Although they were still sticking the knife in during the administration, that really has nothing to do with this. The cheek of the guy to charge them a second time was incredible.
“That just cashed in on the loyalty of the Rangers supporters and it was out of order. Enough is enough.”
But RFC supporters boycotted the replay, fair enough, so why carry it all on ? Not to mention it has nothing to do with Sevco Rovers.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-have-last-laugh-in-tannadice-1045096
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No mention by Bomber Brown or the DR that the United fans also had to pay for the rescheduled game. Funny that eh?
Nice to see the MSM sticking to facts
imacant: No reference in the MSM that RFC played them twice in 2011 in March and September at Tannadice Park and didn’t boycott either game. I didn’t look at earlier games but I presume they will have played at Tannadice on other occasions.
Some strange logic.
So the truth is rfc AND Dundee Utd supporters had to pay HALF price for the replay, the 1st game abandoned after the the 1st half, rfc supporters chose, reasonably to an extent (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-fans-have-last-laugh-in-tannadice-1045096), not to attend the rescheduled game. They then went to Tannadice on several occasions after this game that was played exactly THREE YEARS AGO.
So does anyone know where these threats to physically stop men, women and children from attending a game of football are coming from and what the “reasoning” is?
Making friends along the way?
Not likely.
Bomber states his understanding, agree or disagree I see his logic……….but it is totally different to the reasons stated by the Yorkshire Gob. The Daily Record today ran with a subheading on the back page stating ‘This is War’, they are clearly in the trenches with Trfc, (just as much as they were with RFC) and are part of a wider discourse winding up the elements of the fan base who are famous world wide for a volatile cocktail of the overly aggressive and the monumentally thick.
I don’t know if this of any significance, but “The Rangers Football Club Ltd” (ex Sevco Scotland) Company No SC425159 has just submitted two documents to Companies House, viz.:
RES13 04/12/2012 SUBDIVIDE ORDINARY £1 SHARES INTO 100 ORDINARY SHARES OF £0.01 EACH 29/05/2012
and
SH02 04/12/2012 SUB-DIVISION 29/05/12
LATEST SOC 04/12/2012 04/12/12 STATEMENT OF CAPITAL;GBP 2
It may just be an adminstrative catch up, given the date of 29th May, which was prior to the purchase of Oldco’s assets, but it is certainly at odds with the holdings indicated yesterday in preparation for the AIM listing of RIFC.
Chuckles speaks
CHARLES GREEN and the Board of Rangers Football Club has noted speculation regarding possible outcomes of gate distribution as a result of Rangers’ decision not to take tickets for the Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.
The chief executive said: “The Club was contacted by Dundee United requesting us to waive our rights to the share of the gate under Cup Competition Rule 46(c), this was declined.
“It has been decided by the board that any proceeds from gate receipts due to the Club will be donated to the Prince and Princess of Wales Hospice Brick by Brick Appeal and Erskine charities via the Rangers Charity Foundation.”
Long Time Lurker says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 13:38
When Willie Miller worked for Aberdeen Football Club, he left the BBC and only appeared when he was interviewed as an employee of AFC.
If Jim is working for TRFC I would imagine that a similar would be applied.
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As was the same when Charlie Mann when he was Vlad’s spokesman.
After that stint he rejoined the Beeb and took up his old commentary/punditry duties.
Same of course applies to Gordon Smith when Prez. I think he did a wee bit punditry before taking up the post of Director of Football at the oldco. (Is he still around somewhere?)
OK, pop-pickers.
1. The song is “Another Brick In The Wall (PtII)”. “The Wall” is the name of the album, which I will be going to see performed live in Frankfurt next year.
2. The other song is “I Don’t Like Mondays”.
FACTS! 🙂 🙂
1st November 2009: United matched with Rangers had to be abandoned at half time due to an “act of god” a monsoon style downpour.
At the match spectators were told to keep match stubs.
For the re-match on 15th December United said they would charge half price, £12 / £6 for concessions.
Chairman Stephen Thompson said:
“We have massive costs from both games from a policing point of view,” said Thompson.
“I don’t think people realise when the Old Firm come to play us at Tannadice, our police and stewarding costs are three times what they are normally.
“There’s no change of policy. We asked people to retain their ticket stub and wait for further information which would be issued in due course.
“People sometimes start to assume something was said, but there is absolutely no guidelines for this.
“It’s only the third time a game has been abandoned in ten years in the SPL, so the onus is very much on the home club.”
Basically for “three halves” of a football match you paid 1.5 x normal entry cost, whether a United or Rangers supporter but not if you were a season ticket holder.
I remember debate on United forums about whether Thompson was right to do this, unarguably two sets of costs would have arisen. There were arguments on both sides (club budgets were under severe pressure with Setanta going bust, United had commited to their 2009/2010 squad just before that happened) but to justify the boycott of a game on the basis of these events three years ago is absurd.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
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Chuckles speaks
CHARLES GREEN and the Board of Rangers Football Club has noted speculation regarding possible outcomes of gate distribution as a result of Rangers’ decision not to take tickets for the Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.
The chief executive said: “The Club was contacted by Dundee United requesting us to waive our rights to the share of the gate under Cup Competition Rule 46(c), this was declined.
“It has been decided by the board that any proceeds from gate receipts due to the Club will be donated to the Prince and Princess of Wales Hospice Brick by Brick Appeal and Erskine charities via the Rangers Charity Foundation.”
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But can the Rangers Charity Foundation be trusted with the money? Not long ago they were attempting to distribute raised charity funds to a football club and not hospices.
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Chuckles speaks
CHARLES GREEN and the Board of Rangers Football Club has noted speculation regarding possible outcomes of gate distribution as a result of Rangers’ decision not to take tickets for the Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.
The chief executive said: “The Club was contacted by Dundee United requesting us to waive our rights to the share of the gate under Cup Competition Rule 46(c), this was declined.
“It has been decided by the board that any proceeds from gate receipts due to the Club will be donated to the Prince and Princess of Wales Hospice Brick by Brick Appeal and Erskine charities via the Rangers Charity Foundation.”
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But can the Rangers Charity Foundation be trusted with the money? Not long ago they were attempting to distribute raised charity funds to a football club and not hospices.
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DUFC should be allowed to decide what charity benefits from the Sevco share of the tie. Why should Sevco be seen as the good guys in all of this debacle.
areyouaccusingmeofmendacity says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 12:51
I may be wrong, but has anyone else detected a small, yet perceptible, distance being placed between the DR and The Rangers since Traynor left?
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That may be true but there is cerainly no change in the way the MSM coordinate headlines to minimise anything credit worthy achieved by Celtic
Like
What was the most significant event during last nights game ?
Was it Celtic in reaching the last 16 of Champions League and earning a welcome bonus for the other SPL clubs?
Nope
It was the fact that Neil Lennon and his Assistant decided not to watch Commons take a penalty
Inference?
Despite all their CL achievements deep down Lennon knows they are crap at penalties and could not hide it
Well I suppose that was a small crumb of comfort to the readership
Chuck’s trying to gain the upper hand with this gesture before any charge of bringing the game into disrepute manifests itself. The next step is to arrange a beamback to Ibrox with Rangers keeping all of that revenue, if that is possible, although surely if they are entitled to a share of the gate and tv monies then Dundee Utd must also be due a share of any revenue from a beamback.
He know’s how to milk a situation, I’ll give him that.
Call me a cynic (and going by pass form in relation to the panto “we have paid our debts, oh no you didn’t”) but what chances DUtd shortly making a statement that they never contacted TRIFC and that they were leaving it all to the SFA to sort out.
I know the rules as they currently stand, state Sevco must get 40% of the Tannadice gate monies.
So how about this idea. A DOUBLE BOYCOTT as Dundee United fans do not attend match, but send a cheque as a donation to the club instead. any other fan of any club could also send a wee donation. Result Sevco do not get any monies from attendance and United make a nice wee profit. Even make it a TRIPLE boycott by telling Sky we will stop our subscriptions if they cover the game. maybe get celebrities involved who better then Geof Boycott………
Charles Green has just said that any gate receipts they get from the game will go to charity.
Quite a cynical ploy. Now if the SFA say Utd can keep cash then it looks like money is being deprived to the charity.
I’m a DUFC fan but I wish that the Arabtrust statement had not mentioned the money. United aren’t entitled to all of it, weren’t expecting it and shouldn’t be making any suggestions that money is the issue here. I’m glad that the club’s official statement didn’t say anything about cash but I fear some damage has been done by the Trust’s statement.
However, Green is trying to divert attention from the real issue, which is that one member club has officially sanctioned a boycott of another and made unfounded allegations against the club. The SFA should haul up Green and ask him to explain what United are meant to have done to see if there are any grounds for his complaint. They should not be fooled by his talk of safety concerns.
Once the SFA see that United have done nothing wrong, Rangers should be disciplined for bringing the game into disrepute. Not just Green, because he said the boycott decision was “a unanimous decision by the board, senior management and staff at Ibrox”.
United should say nothing about the money. Just hand over what is due and let RFC do what they want with it. If it goes to charity rather than Sevco, then that’s a bonus.
Also, just remembered that RFC were already censured for breaking SFA rule 1(f) All member clubs shall behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith in July.
Surely the SFA have to take more serious action now?
assuming all that has been said is true
1. I don’t think DUFC should have approached Sevco about the gate money.
2. I don’t think DUFC should have approached the issue of the gate share with the SFA either – the rules are the rules, and if Brechin take 500 fans to a 50k capacity ibrox, they get a full share. DUFC could easily have drawn Turriff and had a few hundred fans attending – the rules are the rules
3. I dislike Chuckles rabble rousing statement – the sevconians will now say DUFC are trying to “steal” money from charities if they withhold this money. And if the SFA rule Sevco are not to get the money – then it will be the SFA stealing money from charity. Throwing the charity donation into the ring is simply another form of dog whistle – the sort of guff we see with the poppy “it’s a knockout” celebration
However, with every passing day, the flames are being fanned and it going to end in real bloodshed.
The SFA need to act and all parties need to be brought together to bring an end to this war that is ultimately going to kill the game.
If the SFA don’t act quickly, i think the SPL need to act on behalf of it’s member clubs to prevent further attacks.
there is a cancer in the game, time to operate
What can happen when you allow free admittance – Two weeks ago the semifinal of the Leinster Club Hurling game between Ballyhale Shamrocks and Oulart de Balagh was called off 10 minutes before the start due to a downpour. There was a fair crowd who had payed cash at the gate at the GAA Park in Wexford.
The match was played last Saturday at the same venue in sunshine, The GAA announced that in the circumstances there would be free admittance. This resulted in a huge crowd for what was a terrific match but then when you don’t have to pay the players you can do things like that!
Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 14:49
DUFC should be allowed to decide what charity benefits from the Sevco share of the tie. Why should Sevco be seen as the good guys in all of this debacle.
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If the conclusion of all this nonsense is that The Rangers get the normal gate share for a Scottish Cup tie it’s entirely up to that club what it chooses to do with the money and nothing to do with DUFC. The false memory syndrome of John Brown, Mark Hateley and the Daily Record is a joke and the fact that Rangers FC supporters didn’t boycott any games at Tannadice makes it even more of a joke but if The Rangers supporters want to be led up the garden path one again, that’s their choice. Bizarrely, The Rangers lose out on this deal – no doubt part of Charles Green’s calculation for the sale share. We’ll see how well that works out.
Green now seems to be as unscrupulous as his predecessors at Ibrox
In my eyes this latest announcement is no more than a cynical PR stunt, to deflect from the criticism Sevco, and Green in particular ,has received over this “boycott”
For me, this is a cheap and low shot, and I will be surprised if all of the money finds its way to the proposed Charity
After all, there will no doubt be expenses in sending a team to the game, and these will need to be met, won’t they
Movement at Ibrox
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/did-i-miss-anything-today-the-perils-of-being-a-blogger-too-busy-to-read-comments/comment-page-2/#comment-33100
Also interesting to note that the official notification issued yesterday re the Rangers AIM Flotation repeatedly refers to ‘Rangers Football Club Ltd’ which doen’t exist – instead of presumably: ‘The Rangers Football Club Ltd’. Is it a typo or another layer yet to be added.
Neil Patey, the football expert, missed it in his DR piece this morning:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-value-rockets-from-55m-to-50m-1475559
Great result for Celtic and Scottish football last night. Well done youse.
Regarding the Geoffrey proposed by Rangers fans, a guy called Brain or was it Angry Brian on SSB said that all of Scottish football owes Rangers an apology.
He made his points well(Big DJ said “really, really well” but what does he know), if angrily, and I can only conclude that it was a wind up. Nobody is that stupid – are they?
does anyone else scratch their head in wonder as to how Neil Patey is still in a job? This guy is an expert in what exactly?
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Chuckles speaks
CHARLES GREEN and the Board of Rangers Football Club has noted speculation regarding possible outcomes of gate distribution as a result of Rangers’ decision not to take tickets for the Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.
“It has been decided by the board that any proceeds from gate receipts due to the Club will be donated to the Prince and Princess of Wales Hospice Brick by Brick Appeal and Erskine charities via the Rangers Charity Foundation.”
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But can the Rangers Charity Foundation be trusted with the money? Not long ago they were attempting to distribute raised charity funds to a football club and not hospices.
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Er, no. Registered trustees of charity foundation are still only John Greig and Jacqueline Gourlay. Chuckles has NO say whatsoever in what they do with funds. Time for another chat with OSCR I think…
as we discussed yesterday, it looks like 11M or so shares have been sold (or pledges have been received) to institutional investors in the Sevco International FC
the talk is that these were sold at 70p each…..but would that necessarily have been the case?
Might they have got them at a discounted price?
if they paid 70p, then after floatation, then the share capital of the company would be £50M (15M more than Celtics) but with a fraction of the income via SPL/ticket prices/UEFA income and also potential transfer fees)
in all likelihood the share price will fall – to at least £35M in line with celtics stable market cap valuation.
that means these investors will lose money – they are not fans, they wont have bought in knowing share price is only going 1 way.
is it possible they bought in at 35p or even less – as then they could expect to see a growth in the share price over time as sevco climbed the leagues
angus1983 says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 14:39
OK, pop-pickers.
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Just to clear things up…
1.I am not Roger Waters.
2.I am not Bob Geldof.
FACTS! 🙂 🙂
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 15:38
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I wonder how good the pledges will be if the company they are investing in doesn’t have the property assets they might be expecting to see and which would to a large extent secure their investment.
timalloy67 says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 15:00
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I know the rules as they currently stand, state Sevco must get 40% of the Tannadice gate monies.
So how about this idea. A DOUBLE BOYCOTT as Dundee United fans do not attend match, but send a cheque as a donation to the club instead. any other fan of any club could also send a wee donation. Result Sevco do not get any monies from attendance and United make a nice wee profit. Even make it a TRIPLE boycott by telling Sky we will stop our subscriptions if they cover the game. maybe get celebrities involved who better then Geof Boycott………
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I appreciate the spirit of you suggestions Timalloy67, but the distribution of the money should not really be an issue. This chapter of Trfc’s story is all about their bid to flex their muscles and see how far and how much they can push around the authorities and SPL opponents in an attempt to restore the long buried WATP mentality. Remember the Rangers family from Walter to Green and everyone in between really thought;
that they would be financially rescued by money men, cos they are just too big to fail and WATP
that the football authorities would overlook any impropriety cos WATP
that all Scotland would rejoice at RFC taking up their rightful place in the SPL, debt free and cash rich
that all the other clubs in Scottish Football would finally have an opportunity to repay RFC for being so wonderful and not insist on ‘rules’ and ‘procedures’ that might inconvenience RFC whilst the sorted out their minor and inconsequential financial difficulties ………after all WATP
Whatever the disagreements we may have on this forum regarding the role of the authorities and the media, none of the above happened…….. they did liquidate, gone forever……. all Scotland was disgusted at the shady goings on at RFC/TRFC……. and the rest of Scottish football has collectively demonstrated that WATP was a self perpetuating myth and a fragile one at that.
IMO Dundee Utd should play the game and attempt to progress to the next stage of the oldest football challenge trophy in the world, and give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, if you will…… treat the competition with the integrity and dignity it deserves and not be side tracked into the gutter with some tit for tat duel with a grade A pap!
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 15:38
On a current comparison basis what would The Rangers share price be in comparison to Celtic?
A Celtic share is currently valued at £0.38 (if I have Googled correctly) that suggests to me that a team in SFL3 with nothing but reduced ticket income to look forward to as a mainstay for three years would have a share price of say £0.19.
So (using the Monty Python Merchant Banker sketch) if as an emotional investor I give Rangers £500 am I getting 500 shares with a real value of £95 [500×0.19] (or put another way giving The Rangers £405 ) or am I getting 9,500 shares for my £500?
As a financial investor where is my barge pole?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20630271?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Oh, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny…..If this isn’t one of your little jokes I’m gobsmacked. Killie don’t need to be at war with the SFA. There is a little piece of me that worriesd that he is aiming to be the next Sevco manager…
Probably reading too much into this, hopefully!
Rangers International Football Club plc following admission will own and operate Rangers Football Club Limited.
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That`s interesting
Rangers International Football Club plc will be the holding co for Rangers Football Club Limited.
That puts Rangers International Football Club plc in the same legal position as owner of TRFC as Craig Whytes Rangers Football Club Group was as owner of RFC(IL)
Or put another way
That puts Rangers International Football Club plc in the same legal position as owner of TRFC as MIM was as owner of RFC(IL)
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Does this matter in the context of the share offer?
You bet it does
Buying shares in a holding co when you really want shares in its subsidiary is foolhardy to say the least.
Do you think for one minute that the RFC fans who invested £8m in the new Club Deck would have done so in exchange for shares in MIM?
This is the proposition Green is about to offer Sevco fans
And it gets worse
There is absolutely nothing to stop RIFC plc selling off TRFC providing the required vote is passed at an RIFC EGM
This could happen for a variety of reasons
e.g.
Making money for the consortium who control the Board
Or
Repaying secret favours given under the RFC Purchase Agreement with D&P
Or
Resolving a dispute with BDO about ownership of RFC assets
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Nope
There was nothing to prevent TRFC offerring shares in TRFC as part of a fund raising as part of an application to launch on AIM
This decision to offer shares in an RIFC holding co and not shares in TRFC is a clear sign that the Spivs are up to mischief which iwill no doubt be legal under company law
Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 14:49
DUFC should be allowed to decide what charity benefits from the Sevco share of the tie. Why should Sevco be seen as the good guys in all of this debacle.
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A further thought on The Rangers’ gate proceeds from the cup game – DUFC can charge a reasonable price and fill the stadium with their own supporters – it surely helps if there are no opposition supporters. DUFC get even more money than they’d hoped, the charity gets money. The Rangers? Well, either they get a universal glow of goodwill for their generous gesture or people laugh at them for not seeing the unintended consequences of their rather petty and spiteful actions. Hats off to Charles and The Rangers fans groups!
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 15:38
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the talk is that these were sold at 70p each…..but would that necessarily have been the case?
…..in all likelihood the share price will fall…..
that means these investors will lose money….
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1. You don’t necessarily have to think about money changing hands here. Shares can be given in return for “convertible loan notes” for instance.
2. And as the share price falls, short sellers will take their profits, brokers and traders will make their margins.
3. “lose money” – again, think about how investors will net up their capital gains and losses when it comes to paying tax. Always remember “Capital losses can help cut your tax bill!”
Everyone’s a winner**
Gettit?
[** except for the losers]
Blast lost a post there.
Was just trying to catch up on yesterdays posting re pre and post AIM admission shareholders.
Was it pointed out that despite much press speculation Mr A Coist is not a shareholder in The Ranger Football Club Ltd?
Similarly despite much press speculation I cna’t remember if it was ever formally announced that Mike Ashley did indeed finalise his negotiations to become a shareholder in TRFCLtd. Strange?
Equally strange is that early on in June (14th) STV quoted Mr Charles as saying
“In terms of investors in the company, to date our investors include Chris Morgan, a UK-based businessman representing family trusts; Glenmuir, the renowned Scottish clothing company; Ian Hart a Glasgow-based businessman; Alessandro Celano of Blue Pitch Holdings and Zeus Capital. We are looking to expand that investor base and are in discussions with a number of interested parties.”
There appears to be no mention of Glenmuir, Ian Hart or the family trusts, it seems strange that they may have disappeared.
Anyone any idea where they went?
Or it is simply the case that the smaller shareholders do not need to be listed.
Also Paul McConville may want to chip in with how reliable his list was from late October
The Rangers Shareholder List
The following is a list of the present shareholders in Rangers Football Club Ltd.
It lists the holders of 19.8 million of the 22 million shares issued so far.
The full list is to be disclosed in the Prospectus to be issued soon.
Blue Pitch Holdings – 4 million -CORRECT
Margarita Funds Holding Trust – 2.6 million CORRECT
Imran Ahmad, Rangers – 2.2 million CORRECT
Richard Hughes, Zeus Capital – 2.2 million CORRECT
Gorbon Ltd – 1.55 million – NO MENTION
Norne Anstalt – 1.2 million -CORRECT
Ally McCoist, Rangers – 1 million -NO MENTION ?
Glenmuir – 1 million -NO MENTION?
Craig Mather – 900k -NOW 1.8M PRE ADMISSION
Andy Hosie – 900k-NO MENTION? (as are all the below)
Ian Hart – 490k –
Chris Morgan, Asia Credit Corporation – 400k
Alan Mackenzie – 250k
Jean Haddad – 250k
Malcolm Murray, Rangers – 200k
Colin Howell, Unicorn Asset Mgt – 200k
John McClure, Unicorn Asset Mgt – 200k
John Goold – 100k
Elias Kaisar – 100k
Stephen Adams, Kames Capital – 50k
Brian Stockbridge, Rangers – sub 50k
Ian Cormack – 25k
John Graham – 25k
(with the exception of )
Charles Green, Rangers – nil. BIG MENTION
Mr Green is due a 10% bonus for a successful float, as was disclosed in the May presentation seeking investors. This could come in the form of a 10% stake in the company, approximating to 5 million shares. -CORRECT
killiemad says:
Thursday, December 6, 2012 at 16:34
Kenny Shiels is one of those guys in football who are smart but not quite as smart as he thinks he is 🙂