The Real Battle Begins?

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The Real Battle Begins?

The increasing attacks on social media by the main stream press, fuelled in some respect by David Murray’s vague threats of litigation against bloggers, has brought into sharp focus the challenges facing the Blogosphere. It also brings into even sharper focus the prescience of Stuart Cosgrove’s assertion that this summer’s ‘epistemological break’  had begun to marginalize the Scottish sporting wing of the MSM.

The reality of that assertion is embedded in the misreporting of the FTT decision as a victory for RFC, falsely alleging that those who operated the EBT scheme had been exonerated, that RFC had ‘done nothing wrong’, and consequently accusing ‘vindictive anti-Rangers bloggers’ of playing a part in the downfall of that once great Scottish institution. It is also evident in Tom English’s rather bitter and one-dimensional anti-RTC polemic today in the Scotland on Sunday. Had it been entitled “Self Preservation”, it may have rung a few more truth bells.

I am not of the belief that the MSM is an instinctively pro-Rangers estate, but I do think that their reportage of the FTT is more geared towards discrediting the newly emergent forces in the social media area than it is towards rehabilitating the public image of RFC or David Murray.

However despite the contempt in which many people here hold the MSM and Murray, English does have a point that we would be foolish to ignore. No-one can deny that we do have a duty to ensure that we are responsible in how we present ourselves to the public. Now that our (and others’) success as a real and creative alternative has spurred the MSM into action, we are subject to greater scrutiny than at any time in the past. Our view is that we have to be pro-actively engaged in setting a standard for ourselves that is above those that the MSM have set for themselves.

We have on TSFM an audience exponentially greater than the number of posts. That presents us with a great opportunity to get our message across, but it also burdens us with an increased responsibility not to fall into the trap which has besought the Succulent Lamb Brigade.

We are a very different animal from RTC. RTC him or herself had information and insight to bring to the table that the administrators of this site do not. The founder and former admin of TSFM had the idea that the talent available from posters on the RTC – not just RTC himself – should continue to have a forum in a post-RTC world, and that those talents could be used to challenge the myths regularly represented as facts by lazy journalists in the MSM.

We have at our disposal on this blog forensic analysis of legal, media and corporate matters. We have an abundance of creative minds, all passionate about the game of football AS WELL AS a partisan love for their chosen club. With all that talent and expertise, we can make an impact on the agenda by challenging the misinformation and substandard journalism of the MSM, and our finest moments are when we do that. We lose authority and influence when the debate is impeded by bald accusation or innuendo backed up with little more than an historical view of our country.

Our biggest impact (and largest audience) is to be found when when our experts have collectively torn apart those myths presented as truths by the MSM, and when we have asked the questions that the MSM either can’t or won’t ask or answer. Those are the things that have driven the traffic to this site, and many of the emails we get congratulate us on that.

Our credibility plummets though when we go down the partisan path. We also get literally hundreds of emails from fans who ask that we cut down on the comments of those who are merely venting outrage at how they see the game being mismanaged (mainly so they can access the important stuff more quickly), and from fans who are just fed up with the constant name-calling – almost exclusively aimed at Ally McCoist and other Rangers figures.

If we claim to be an intellectual and journalistic rung or two above the likes of the Red Tops (not to mention to be decent and respectful of others), we need to refrain from the name calling and accusatory culture. We can ask questions, put items for debate on the public agenda, point out apparent irregularities and anomalies. In rushing to judgement of others from the comfort of the glow of our own laptop screens, we are guilty of the same lazy journalism we see in others. Name calling (all good fun of course on a fan site) is just a lazy thought process and as English says, comes across as “nasty”.

We never saw RTC as a fan-site. The original administrator of this blog never saw TSFM as one either, and nor do we. In order to succeed properly, we need sensible fans of ALL clubs to be comfortable and feel secure in our midst. Of course we are not breaking any laws, but can anyone honestly say that we have evolved into a welcoming place for Rangers fans?

TSFM is not about hounding any one club out of existence or into shame or infamy. In the Rangers saga we have sought to ensure that the football authorities play fair with everyone and stick to their own rules. One well kent RTC contributor, and no friend of Rangers, often said that if the FTT found in favour of Rangers we should move along and accept it. Well they did find in favour of Rangers in the majority of cases. That may not suit many of us, but we are the Scottish Football Monitor, not a Judicial Watchdog. We can say why we disagree with the decision, but criticism of the process through which the decision was arrived at is beyond our purview.

Since the accusation is often made in the MSM, we should state, unequivocally and unreservedly, that we are NOT anti-Rangers. Their fans face the same issues as the rest of us and they are welcome here. We are however, equally unequivocally against the gravy train journalism of the Scottish Football Wing of the MSM (with one or two honourable exceptions).

If the Anti-Blogateers in the press are correct, the popularity of the TSFM will recede as the Rangers Tax case reverts to the back pages before disappearing for good. However I do not believe that they are correct. I don’t believe that Scottish football fans are only motivated by either hatred – or even dislike – of one club. I believe we are more concerned with the game itself than the pot-stirrers in the MSM would have us believe, because we understand the interdependence of football clubs.

But we also understand that the people who run football clubs do not always run their clubs for the benefit of the fans. In the business world, that may not be out of the ordinary, since businesses are run for the benefit of shareholders.
However football reserves for itself a special place in the hearts of people in this country. If the people who run football clubs want to retain that favourable status, they have to be accountable to the fans.

The difficulty in holding them to account though, is that the cosy relationship cultivated between club directors, managers and players and the press renders the access to information a closed shop, and the information itself is heavily filtered and spun.

As long as we keep asking questions in response to the fruit of that cosy relationship, we will be providing people with an alternative angle and viewpoint, allowing them to come to their own conclusions, and not the one the MSM post-presser huddle delivers to us wrapped up in a bow.

For the SFM specifically, we believe that to have any influence, we need to enable the expertise at our disposal to flourish. It is also vital to our project that Rangers fans are included in our dialogue. We just can’t call ourselves the Scottish Football Monitor if they are largely excluded from participation because they feel they are being treated disrespectfully.

We can’t tolerate the accusations and name calling. We need to stick to what we have done best; factual analysis, conjecture based on known facts and on-line discourse leading to searching questions being asked.

One of the things we are looking at for the near future is to set up some kind of formal and transparent channel of communication between the SFM and the football authorities. Being truly representative of fans will make that easier to achieve.

The MSM will continue to attack the social media outlets. In one way you can understand it. Their jobs are at stake. The business model of the print media in particular has changed massively over the last five years, manifesting itself mainly in increasingly under-resourced newsrooms. Consequently it is besought by increasingly unreliable and under-researched journalism, even to the point where much of it is no longer journalism at all.

By comparison the Blogosphere has access to greater human and time resources, is able to react to unfolding events in real time, and crucially (because it has been eschewed instead of embraced by print media proprietors) has been occupied by ordinary folk with little or no vested interest.

We are still in position to provide a service in our small niche of the on-line world. We have rights to publish and speak freely about our passion, but we also have to live up to the attendant responsibilities, and thus the appeal for discretion on posting comments.

Where Tom English got it completely wrong (in the uniquely ironic way the MSM have about them), is that his industry has mistaken the rights others have earned for them as entitlement, and ignored almost completely the responsibility they had to act on behalf of those who pay their wages.

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bawsman

bawsmanPosted on11:25 am - Dec 7, 2012


tcup2012 says:

The MSM want to go back to the old ‘secure’ ways, ying and yang.

Unfortunately yang took multiple BUNGS to keep chase……..And it killed them.

As Walter Smith said when previously offered a place on the board, “no thanks but good luck to the new Rangers”

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nickmcguinnessPosted on11:42 am - Dec 7, 2012


angus1983 at 11:10

nick – nonsense. “Gullible” is derived from the verb “to gull”, which is derived from “gullet”, all with a double “l”. Hence the meaning of someone who “swallows” (believes) something.

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Really? (;-0)

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Madbhoy24941Posted on11:44 am - Dec 7, 2012


There are still a lot of comments from ex-players, managers and current staff of Rangers who continue to talk about lost history and how “nothing will persuade me that this is not the Rangers I played for or supported for years”.

Unless I am wrong, nobody believes history will change, it will continue to be there. Nothing is lost, it just stops at a specific time in history. The key point is that this history will not be enlarged due to the fact the entity who created the history, does not exist anymore.

It is the same Rangers in the hearts and souls of the supporters, this is based on the stadium, the strips, the culture etc… I have no problem with that but the history was created by another entity who do not exist because they refused to pay certain monies owed to individuals or organisations who subsequently declined an offer of pennies to replace pounds.

So, if the new club want the history, take it and spend the next 10 years repaying what is owed or reach an agreement with those owed money.

Simple!

If only the people doing these interviews could ask this just once!

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onceabhoyPosted on11:46 am - Dec 7, 2012


They are desperately trying to continue the lie the club isn’t being liquidated. The fans do so to evade the shame of losing their history. The directors because they need to use the name to retain a revenue seam. The media either due to obvious bias or to protect income.

It doesn’t matter. They aren’t even a reincarnation yet as the original club is still on life support awaiting the plug being pulled. We know. They know. And we each know we all know. The club will soon be officially liquidated. The fans will soon be ripped off again. The new club will soon be teetering. Then the lies will begin again.

As for the history. History is earned and retained NOT bought and sold!

Jinky’s medals were sold at auction due to financial hardship. The new owners did not overnight become the greatest winger to grace the Scottish game.

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bluPosted on11:53 am - Dec 7, 2012


nickmcguinness says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:42

Really? (;-0)

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I’m sure Kenny would have got that one but who cares?

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tcup2012Posted on12:18 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Could someone please help me? 🙁
Been looking every where but no joy 🙁 Have reached the web papers ect Pulling the hair out my head :'(
Trying to find out were it is that you Buy History . Is it on the net? ( if you have a link please put it up) A auction house some were? Remax or other estate agents? Im at a complete loss :'( As far as im aware the going rate is £1 per every 140 years (great deal if u ask me) 🙂 So please help as i have saved my pennies and want to buy The Crusades for my wifes Xmas 😉

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corsicacharityPosted on12:19 pm - Dec 7, 2012


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20639664

No comment required…

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theoldcoursePosted on12:35 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Found this on my lunchtime trawl of the news sites

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20639133

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bawsman

bawsmanPosted on12:39 pm - Dec 7, 2012


”To my way of thinking there is no difference between the Rangers Football Club of two years ago and the club as it is today. If you can see a distinction which separates the club from its history, you’re smarter than me. The club’s the same as it always was and the history remains intact.”

Walter Smith 6th December 2012

”We wish the new Rangers Football Club every good fortune”

Walter Smith 19th June 2012

Congratulations! You are now smarter than Walter Smith! FACT!

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briggsbhoyPosted on12:47 pm - Dec 7, 2012


tcup2012 says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:16

Do you think that in 10 years time they will be celebrating 140 years of Rangers History! What will the PR people write then! 150 years of football at Ibrox ! Should be interesting when that comes round

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nickmcguinnessPosted on12:50 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Can anyone explain what the purpose was of Rangers International Football Club PLC notifying Companies House that it was subdividing its sole £1 Ordinary Share into 100 shares worth 1p each — at the same time as The Rangers Football Club Limited was announcing a Sub Division of its two £1 shares into 200 shares worth 1p each?
Is this normal practice?

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angus1983Posted on12:50 pm - Dec 7, 2012


nickmcguinness says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:42

Really? (;-0)
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Yeah, yeah – I know. Hook line and sinker. 🙂 🙂

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Humble PiePosted on12:52 pm - Dec 7, 2012


The Law of the Hammer

‘Give a child a hammer and all his problems will look like nails’

The incompetent oafs that run our game have disregarded their own rules in order to shoehorn an ungrateful new club into a position of power over their weaker competitors. This entirely new and ‘debt-free’ entity calling itself ‘The Rangers’ now feels free to wield its presumed influence like a big mallet, ‘clubbing’ all their illusory adversaries for imagined slights on their supposed ‘dignity’. The gross misrepresentation of the results of the FTTT has now added a false sense of ‘injustice’ to their bewilderment.

The SFA (in cahoots with the SPL and the SFL) have continued to allow this tribute act to believe and behave as though it was the old Rangers. By simply failing to state categorically that this is a ‘brand new’ club, they have duped the gullible supporters into believing that the club formed in 2012, which now resides in SFL3, is the same ‘Rangers’ that was once a ‘proud’ Scottish institution. So deluded are the fans by this fantasy, that they now believe that they can conduct themselves with the same air of absolute impunity previously afforded to fans of the old club.

Mr Green’s thinly veiled attacks on the SFA, SPL and member clubs and their fans threatens to destroy any residual sympathy and tolerance that other clubs may have had for this young upstart. The new Rangers seem to think it’s ‘their ba” and therefore everyone else should abide by ‘their rules’. It may be that the threats of pickets, first expressed through Rangers Media, forced Mr Green to act and refuse the ticket allocation for Tannadice. However, rather than use this opportunity to diffuse an unnecessarily tense situation between the clubs, he chooses to fuel the fans ill-founded grievances and implies support for their threatening actions. Are these the actions of a new club trying to ingratiate themselves into the game, to win friends and influence people ?

Make no mistake about it, the fans of the new Rangers think they are still the old Rangers. They think everyone tried (and failed) to destroy their beloved club (apart from those who actually did). They think they were voted out of the SPL and they think they were relegated. They think they’ve been banned from Europe and they think everyone tried to have a ‘wee fly kick’ at them when they were down. They think that the Football authorities, the taxman and the media have a bigoted agenda against them and now, with the help of a cheeky Yorkshire used-car salesman, they are ‘fighting back’. Their anger is palpable and is beginning to express itself as action and threats of action against all their perceived ‘enemies’. Seriously, this charade has to stop now, before someone gets hurt.

The SFA’s have singularly failed in their duty to uphold the integrity of the game in Scotland. Their inaction over the most recent ill-considered ramblings coming from Mr Green is just the latest in a long line of obsequious acts which have given sustenance to the delusions of The Rangers and their fans. This man has, so far and with no sense of irony, accused the SFA and SPL of ‘stealing’ from them, accused the SPL clubs of behaving with ‘bigotry’ towards them and accused fellow member clubs of taking exceptional delight in and profiting from the old clubs demise. If the consequences weren’t so serious, it’d be really funny. How can they possibly believe all this rubbish? I am quite sure Mr Green doesn’t believe any of it, however he will happily play to the fan’s misplaced loyalty and delusions of dignity in order to suck a few more shekels from their well-worn wallets before he heads of to newer (and safer) pastures.

So who will stop this? Certainly not the SFA who have continually gone out of their way to ensure the new clubs survival, even to the detriment of the game as a whole. Not the SPL who sought to wheedle the new club straight back into the top flight with no thought for sporting integrity only profit. Not the SFL who have welcomed the new club and their multitude of fans into their leagues with open arms in the hope of generating much needed revenue and influence. Not the individual clubs themselves who cannot afford for them or their fans to be ‘singled out’ for vengeance by The Rangers. Not the mainstream media who have played a key role in ‘programming’ The Rangers fans hallucinations. No-one it seems can or will do a thing about it….except of course the fans.

The truth is that the fans are the only ones with the power to influence the custodians of the Scottish game. The fans are the customers in this business relationship and the ‘customer is always right’. It is fans who buy the season tickets, pay to attend the games, buy the merchandise and, most importantly, pay the TV subscriptions. Any business that ignores its customers is destined to fail. In my humble opinion, it is time for the fans to exercise that power individually and collectively. Supporters Clubs, Season ticket holders and individual fans could, as an example, contact their own clubs and governing bodies to demand unequivocal statements from them explaining that: The Rangers are a NEW club; clubs did not vote them ‘out’ of the SPL; that they were not relegated; that they are not banned from Europe (merely ineligible) and that no-one owes them anything other than ‘mutual’ respect as long as they abide by the prescribed rules. Otherwise your future custom to them AND their ‘sponsors and corporate partners’ may be severely reduced or withdrawn altogether.

We have already seen the panic among the guardians of the game, brought on by the threatened boycott and picket against Dundee United. Why wasn’t Mr Green hauled before the beaks to explain his unjustified vilification of their ‘member club’ and for bringing the Scottish Cup competition (if not the entire game) into disrepute? In truth, the authorities are terrified of how The Rangers fans might react to what they would surely see as another ‘attack’ on their ‘traditions’ and against their ‘Glorious Leader’. To be fair, I would be a bit worried too. A cursory look over at Rangers Media will tell you all you need to know about how these people feel about fans of other clubs and what they would like to see happen to them. However, like a playground bully who gets more and more audacious with each unchallenged threat, this blossoming nightmare needs to be nipped in the bud.

The Scottish football authorities and the Scottish mainstream media have given these juvenile delinquents a hammer and filled their heads with far-fetched fantasy and paranoia.

It is an absolute disgrace and it is time to rein this belligerent upstart in, before real blows are struck.

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paulmac2Posted on12:53 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Bawsman…

The fact Walter and others have to explain why they believe in their eyes it is still the same Rangers would confirm they know it’s not!

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Banners to the BreezePosted on12:53 pm - Dec 7, 2012


So Mr Smith, your 20 years of emotional attachment with the Arabs meant zip. Dundee Utd were only one of the member clubs of the SPL who discharged the rules of governance, and yet you feel it’s right to participate in the public condemnation and victimisation of the club.

By zealously embracing this new Sevco mantra of “we’ll never forget” you’re ensuring that for many years to come, plenty of football fans will be raucously reminding the players and fans of the Ibrox club – that the disastrous route you helped implement and defend, was simply aberrant to the majority of fair minded supporters.

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Shooperb

ShooperbPosted on12:54 pm - Dec 7, 2012


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-legend-walter-smith-voices-1476972

“Rangers would not ask to be treated differently from any other club but I believe they were when they were up against it. The game’s authorities made them a special case, and they’re made up of the clubs themselves.”

Looks like I was wrong about Walter. He’s quite happy to associate himself with the nonsense coming from Ibrox at the minute. That’s a shame. I thought he was bigger than that. It’s comes to something when the man who supposedly personifies ‘dignity’ is outshone in the circumspect stakes by an entire football club. Dundee United’s response so far has been exemplary.

On a more disturbing point, it appears that the Daily Record have their own little ‘Walter Smith’ section, if the hierarchy links at the top of the page above is anything to go by!

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Shooperb

ShooperbPosted on12:57 pm - Dec 7, 2012


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ex-rangers-captain-richard-gough-calls-1477123

Hmmm, interesting. Apparently, Mr Gough is unaware that The Rangers cant compete in Europe for the next 3 years. Maybe he thinks that since the SFA didn’t apply the rules, then perhaps UEFA won’t either.

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angus1983Posted on12:58 pm - Dec 7, 2012


bawsman says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 12:39

Seems to me that Walter is admitting that he was a smarter man 6 months ago than he was yesterday.

Which he probably was – at least he had the sense to steer clear at that point.

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forweonlyknowPosted on1:05 pm - Dec 7, 2012


onceabhoy says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:46

They are desperately trying to continue the lie the club isn’t being liquidated. The fans do so to evade the shame of losing their history. The directors because they need to use the name to retain a revenue seam. The media either due to obvious bias or to protect income.

It doesn’t matter. They aren’t even a reincarnation yet as the original club is still on life support awaiting the plug being pulled. We know. They know. And we each know we all know. The club will soon be officially liquidated. The fans will soon be ripped off again. The new club will soon be teetering. Then the lies will begin again.

As for the history. History is earned and retained NOT bought and sold!

Jinky’s medals were sold at auction due to financial hardship. The new owners did not overnight become the greatest winger to grace the Scottish game.

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onceabhoy.

I hope you don’t mind … but I had to tweet your post! Credited to your good self obviously! On the money sir!

It’s been well received! Don’t be surprised if you see a banner with

“History is earned and retained NOT bought and sold!” at some point! 😉

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Carfins Finest. (@edunne58)Posted on1:06 pm - Dec 7, 2012


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Friday, December 7, 2012 at 12:57

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ex-rangers-captain-richard-gough-calls-1477123

Hmmm, interesting. Apparently, Mr Gough is unaware that The Rangers cant compete in Europe for the next 3 years. Maybe he thinks that since the SFA didn’t apply the rules, then perhaps UEFA won’t either.
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To me this piece sums up everything that is wrong with this whole charade. No one who has any attachment with the Old RFC seems to understand the enormity of events over the last 10 months. Either knowingly or through sheer ignorance of the facts. Blindly banging on about how we need a strong Rangers and how we should be sorry for what WE all did to them. Makes me sick to my stomach.
As for rag reporting this…………Its all been said before.

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tomtomPosted on1:06 pm - Dec 7, 2012


bawsman says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 12:39

”To my way of thinking there is no difference between the Rangers Football Club of two years ago and the club as it is today. If you can see a distinction which separates the club from its history, you’re smarter than me. The club’s the same as it always was and the history remains intact.”

Walter Smith 6th December 2012

”We wish the new Rangers Football Club every good fortune”

Walter Smith 19th June 2012

Congratulations! You are now smarter than Walter Smith! FACT!
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I’m confused. A recent tv programme confirmed to me that I am not smarter than a ten year old. Now it seems that I’m smarter than Walter Smith. Quiz nights in his pubs must be fun 😀

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bluPosted on1:10 pm - Dec 7, 2012


onceabhoy says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:46
“…As for the history. History is earned and retained NOT bought and sold!”
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onceabhoy, I agree with you that an organisation that was mismanaged in the way that Rangers was, (and it was grossly mismanaged irrespective of the ultimate outcome of the HMRC v Rangers case) should in the normal course of events be wound up and mourned in the way that Third Lanark was by its supporters in 1967.

However, having been allowed/encouraged/facilitated to survive in some form by all of the Scottish football authorities, and having a team approximately named Rangers playing at Ibrox in the same colours, I believe that in time it will be considered to be the same club because there are circa 50,000 people probably willing to spend their hard earned on season tickets to sustain that club. Bear in mind also who writes the history – not you or me but people who have an interest in filling spaces in their newsprint and selling those papers and getting TV viewers. Despite the falling sales the print media is still influential in establishing “facts”. The TV companies have made it clear what their interest is – how many times will 3rd Division Rangers appear on screens this year compared with any other club in Scotland?

If this is the way things pan out, the history becomes even more important and that is why a significant responsibility falls to Lord Nimmo Smith to conduct a fair and scrupulous inquiry into whether Rangers FC complied with the regulations on player registration. If he finds that they didn’t comply then the SFA, SPL and SFL must be obliged to apply sanctions in the normal way. Remember Alastair Johnston has already acknowledged that Rangers did contravene the rules, in his judgement in a minor way. The FTT found (this was the majority findings and therefore the decision, not appealed by Rangers so far) that in some cases the EBT scheme was used for player emoluments and therefore contractual rather than discretionary. If so, were these payments recorded in the players’ registration documentation?

So, what is the recent case history on sanctions for breaches of the player registration regulations?

2008: Brechin City were expelled from Scottish Cup for fielding two ineligible players in the Scottish Cup.

2010: Dunfermline Athletic were expelled for fielding a suspended player but were reinstated after an appeal and granted a replay.

2011: East Stirlingshire – player registration form completed and posted but not received by the SFA. Expelled from the Scottish Cup.

2011: Spartans – player registration form dated once instead of twice. Expelled from the Scottish Cup and fined £14,000 (suspended 1 year).

2012: Annan Athletic – the club notified the SFL that it had improperly registered three under-16 players for the Under-20 squad playing in the Scottish FA Youth Cup – dismissed from the tournament.

None of the rule breaking described above seems terribly major to me but rules is rules.

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ordinaryfanPosted on1:10 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Walter Smith is simply playing the game he and his cronies have continuously made up as they went along.
I have to say though, I honestly don’t believe McCoist is in this clique. He is not playing a game and trying to manipulate Sevco supporters, it is worse than that for McCoist, because he actually believes what he is saying. He is not doing a Charles Green and convincing the most gullible support in the World that they are under siege, he genuinely believes what Green and Walter are telling the support about them being “victims”.
This man is not pretending with the rest in charge at Ibrox, because he actually believes the delusions of victimisation and being kicked when down. He wholeheartedly believes the football authorities are against Sevco, even Ogilvy.
To an extent I feel sorry for him, I can imagine Green talking to him as he would a paranoid Sevco supporter, saying things like, “Your staunch dignity will see us beat these enemies of Rangers” and McCoist standing straighter with a tear in his eye.

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tcup2012Posted on1:11 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Birrgsbhoy lol 😉
There not celebrating 140 years of Rangers history Just get the MSM to ask Chuckles 😉 Now that answer would be interesting 😉
And in 10 years they will still be mourning how stupid they were for believing every bit of drivel spouted out of chuckles mouth ( here’s hopping anyway) 😉

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coineanachantaighePosted on1:14 pm - Dec 7, 2012


2012 says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 11:16
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Just heard an advert on the radio
Stating that on Saturday They are “Celebrating 140 years of proud history at IBROX ”
No mention of 140 years of of Rangers history !

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But they only played there for 125 years… 😮

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rabPosted on1:16 pm - Dec 7, 2012


“Some clubs are going to suffer from a far greater level of danger than they ever imagined as a consequence of the decisions they took then, and that will have nothing to do with Rangers.

Walter whistles.

And the pricks ear up, i mean the ears prick up.

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angus1983Posted on1:17 pm - Dec 7, 2012


http://www.therangersstandard.co.uk/index.php/articles/current-affairs/194-listening-to-your-customers

Chris Graham entirely and willfully fails to understand what happened in the summer yet again. Unwillingness of other clubs’ fans to take up season tickets while the possibility of New Rangers getting into the SPL remained a reality is again said to be due to “hatred of (T)RFC”.

Do these peepil really not understand that what those fans wanted was the Rules to be applied, “without fear or favour”?

Graham goes on to perpetuate the revenge thing:

“We’ve taken our hits and there will be a period of settling scores before the necessary reconciliation, in Scotland at least, commences. There are plenty of clubs in Scottish football, including several in the SPL, who are very keen to establish better relations with our club. We don’t need to start with Dundee Utd and nor should we. Clubs need to realise that they got to poke the bear while it was asleep but we’ve woken up now and we’re understandably a bit grumpy.”

Personally, I think they should continue their boycott and apply it to any other SPL clubs who have a spokesman that “insults” them.

I’ll start. I’m a self-styled spokesman for Aberdeen FC, OK? Ready?

Rangers were a bunch of swicks.

Mr Graham – can you now arrange for the streets of Aberdeen to remain safe on account of the absence of knuckle-draggers if your team are ever lucky enough to get to play here again? Your mob of score-settlers are not wanted here. Thanks.

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bawsmanPosted on1:19 pm - Dec 7, 2012


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That post sir………….Is a stoater.

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ShooperbPosted on1:19 pm - Dec 7, 2012


ordinaryfan says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 13:10

I’m not sure about that. I notice that McCoist hasnt been offering up his opinions recently. I would hope that it’s because he had his fingers burnt with the ‘Who are these people’ episode, and realised his responsibilities. He’s been very much of the ‘we are where we are camp’ of late.

However, having said that, I was the guy who thought Walter Smith would be livid to be associated with Green’s guff, so what do I know?

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arabest1Posted on1:26 pm - Dec 7, 2012


From a Utd forum;

Celtic fan purchased 3 scarfs at club shop
A guy I know went into the club shop on Tannadice Street today with his wee lad to buy a new Utd football and was also given a free scarf with it. The woman serving told him that a Celtic fan had telephoned and purchased 3 Utd scarfs and told her to give them to the first 3 kids who came in. He said it was to give the club some money due to the upcoming boycott and also show solidarity with a fellow SPL club.

What a fantastic gesture, i’m sure you’ll all agree!
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This latest nonsense is further isolating TRFC.

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angus1983Posted on1:36 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Re: the 140 Year celebrations.

I see they have a special top for tomorrow’s game as well, with five gold stars, and the legend “1872 – Rangers Football Club – 2012” and “140 years” around the RFC crest.

http://willievass.photoshelter.com/gallery/061212-Rangers-140-years/G0000xkXnaL92.xU/C0000jVCeRN_1txg

Actually, it’s really thoughtful of them to commemorate the passing of one of Scotland’s best-known ex-football clubs (i.e. “Rangers Football Club”, as it says on the shirt). Dates of birth and death, and age at death too.

What a good job they didn’t use the name of the current club – “THE Rangers Football Club”, or people might have got confused!

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easyJamboPosted on1:39 pm - Dec 7, 2012


MSM circulation figures for November were issued today. Douglas Fraser has tweeted the following:

More grim sales stats for Scottish newspapers: Record down 6% last month to 253k, Sunday Mail stablemate down 5%, below 300k
Sunday Post also leading UK sales decline in Nov, selling less than 250k, down 15% since last year. Jings.
Scotsman sale now below 33k, falling 14% in past year. Scotland on Sunday falls through 40k barrier, down 17%

It is easy to see why the MSM need to cut their costs and dispense with erstwhile overrated and overpaid “journalists” like .

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wottpiPosted on1:44 pm - Dec 7, 2012


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-legend-john-robertson-urges-1421279

Just compare the way that Richard Gough talks about ‘we’ this and ‘we’ that to John Robertson in the above article ‘Hearts’ this and ‘Hearts’ that.

I may be wrong but what exactly is Gough’s current position with Rangers that he can use ‘we’.

As I said the other day they get injected with something as they walk up the marble staircase.

While Gough was more critical of the ‘boycott’ it is interesting to note that his time at DUtd, like Walter doesn’t count for much becasue once you have gone through the door the mantra is WATP. In fact Walter is nearly p*ssing all over a club that no doubt helped give him the grounding he needed for a successful career in the same way they did for Gough. Maybe he has a beef with the Thompsons given the past hisroty with McLean, who knows but the club is the club not the owners, isn’t it?
Diginity my erse!

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tcup2012Posted on1:47 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Cause confusion? I for 1 already am 🙁
5 Gold stars? When did oldco win The European Cup let alone 5 times?
Is the top just for the so called Legends? Or are the team going to wear it to? If so what Will the SFA/SFL say about wearing another teams strip?

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paulsatimPosted on1:50 pm - Dec 7, 2012


corsicacharity says:
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Bradford arent the “fabric of their society” though! 🙂

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Parson St. BhoyPosted on1:51 pm - Dec 7, 2012


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20639133

A law firm which was instructed by former Rangers owner Craig Whyte in a bid to sue the BBC has dropped a court case against him.

Bannatyne Kirkwood France and Co were employed by Mr Whyte, 41, in November last year, after the corporation aired a documentary about him.

The law firm’s case against him was due to call this month for a hearing.

It has now emerged that the law firm requested in advance of the hearing that the case be dismissed.

No papers with details of the case were available at Glasgow Sheriff Court

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redetinPosted on1:56 pm - Dec 7, 2012


areyouaccusingmeofmendacity says:

Friday, December 7, 2012 at 13:19

ordinaryfan says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 13:10

I’m not sure about that. I notice that McCoist hasnt been offering up his opinions recently. I would hope that it’s because he had his fingers burnt with the ‘Who are these people’ episode, and realised his responsibilities. He’s been very much of the ‘we are where we are camp’ of late.

However, having said that, I was the guy who thought Walter Smith would be livid to be associated with Green’s guff, so what do I know?
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McCoist was also phoning Peter Houston one day saying what a great match it would be at Dundee Utd, but the following day was with the board, senior management and staff urging fans not to attend the match. Is he in on the act or is he daein as he’s telt?

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andypandimoniumPosted on2:06 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Nice piece by Jim Spence on the late Doug Smith, a gentleman who would put the modern footballer to shame. I fully expect that the fans of both clubs will show him complete respect on Sunday………the way things should be.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20620653

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Night TerrorPosted on2:14 pm - Dec 7, 2012


angus1983 says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 13:17

http://www.therangersstandard.co.uk/index.php/articles/current-affairs/194-listening-to-your-customers

Chris Graham entirely and willfully fails to understand what happened in the summer yet again. Unwillingness of other clubs’ fans to take up season tickets while the possibility of New Rangers getting into the SPL remained a reality is again said to be due to “hatred of (T)RFC”.

Do these peepil really not understand that what those fans wanted was the Rules to be applied, “without fear or favour”?

I particularly enjoyed Mr Graham’s repeated pleas for Rangers to employ a PR person full time.

I wonder if he has someone in mind?

In an unrelated thought – I also wonder how Mr Graham makes his living these days? He certainly spends a lot of time writing and talking about Rangers.

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jw hardinPosted on2:16 pm - Dec 7, 2012


It’s seems obvious that supporters of The Govan Club are suffering from….

“Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]

Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.

An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and by redirecting libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or “projecting,” those same faults onto another person or object.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_(psychology)

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arabest1Posted on2:24 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Walter, Hateley, Roberts, Gough and all the other blowhards are all here to celebrate the ‘birthday’ of Rangers FC. Are they not a few months late? Where were these clowns when the club was sentenced to death? They are trying hard to convince the world that the new club is still the old club….good luck with that lads, no one else will concede an inch to such a flagrant disregarding of the facts, and deep down each and every one of them knows out on the street, among the rest of Scottish football RFC will die when liquidation occurs.

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iceman63Posted on2:26 pm - Dec 7, 2012


I think the most effective sanction is for all SPL clubs who voted to apply the rules and forbid the new club entry to the SPL to refuse to issue any ticket allocation to t’Rangers fans if they are ever drawn against them, basically as policy henceforth for all time in all meetings with newclub, and then get Green to challenge the authorities ( this is a clear breach of the rules by all other clubs but it would take some brass neck for him to challenge it). if he wants their allocation. Basically take them at face value.

Make it clear to the relevant authorities that policing that there will be only home fans in attendance and demand a reduction in bill – persuade all of your home fans to go to said game – even gicving SEVCO their cut of the proceeds. That would stick in their craw – actually other clubs subsidising the beggar ‘Gers whose players and officials are welcome, but whose fans are not!

The home fans could then decorate their away end – in fact festoon their entire ground – with appropriate apt and mocking banners for the SKY cameras to focus on as it gets televised for the unwelcome bears in their sad howffs and dens!

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Night TerrorPosted on2:31 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Curses – failed to convert the formatting properly, making it hard to read. Mods – please delete that last attempt.

Ahem….

I’ve quite enjoyed a bit of debate on the Rangers Standard in the past, but it seems they no longer approve my posts for publication. I’ve no idea why that would be, as I do keep them polite and respectful, and have even done my very very best to not infringe their rules on how to refer to the club they support.

That being the case, here’s a recent post from me that seems to have fallen foul of their editorial policy. It was regarding this article:
http://www.therangersstandard.co.uk/index.php/forum/article-debate/846-vindication

Another stimulating article from Mr Graham – and judging from the responses, one that finds widespread favour with Rangers supporters.

I am disappointed by this, as I find it misses out quite a lot of important information and provides a questionable analysis of the implications of the Big Tax Case result.

I would like to think you would allow a dissenting opinion on the Rangers Standard, and take comfort in the fact that my reply is so long that almost nobody will reach the end.

Here goes – original sections of the article in quote blocks, my responses follow;

The result of the Big Tax Case should have been an irrelevance to Rangers. The so called ‘debt’ was left behind when the new company took control of the club and a negative result would have had no impact whatsoever on our finances. Actually, the only scenario that could have had widespread implications is the one we now face. A favourable verdict has laid bare the fact that two years of vitriol, lies and abuse of the club and fans is just what we always thought it was – a dishonest campaign based on hatred and jealousy.

It is a novel interpretation to suggest that in any case where the accused is acquitted then the case against him must have been a lie.
This verdict, though substantially favourable to MIH in terms of tax due may not be quite as favourably viewed when the detail of how this verdict was reached is examined. To do this, a detailed look at the decision would be required.
This should not be too arduous on the more intelligent Rangers fans, perhaps those especially with some time on their hands, as the 150 page judgement contains some fascinating reading regarding on how the club was run, handled its tax affairs and dealt with its responsibilities to the authorities that govern it.

I’m not going to go into the detail of the decision too much because it speaks for itself. Even the attempts to cling to the dissenting opinion, detailed in the written decision, are transparent in their desperation. In a small number of cases tax may be due but this is still unclear and the amount will be a tiny fraction of that alleged to have been outstanding. Suffice to say that Rangers’ EBT payments have been clearly defined as loans. The dissenting opinion, whilst the right of Heidi Poon to put forward, is that of an accountant on a point of law and whilst it may provide comfort to those who desperately wanted to believe their own hype, it is not a verdict. The verdict is, in layman’s terms, “Not Guilty”. Two lawyers have overruled Ms Poon and it would take an act of extraordinary arrogance by HMRC to appeal the decision given they can only do so on a point of law. That is not to say they won’t appeal, simply that they should quit whilst behind.

Ah, that is a shame. I know I would be keen to know more about how my club had been run during the most successful and perhaps most catastrophic period in its history. If I had neither the time, ability or inclination to digest the full judgement, I would certainly hope that a fellow fan, perhaps one with a law degree (even if only an Ordinary) would present the full findings in an approachably condensed fashion so that I could be fully aware of what had been going on. I would certainly hope they would not gloss over any inconvenient detail or misrepresent the content, especially since it concerns the running of the club I support.

To say that the club and fans have been vindicated would be an understatement but it would be remiss of us to either forgive or forget the campaign that has been waged against us. The protagonists are still out there and if they are left to lick their wounds they will simply regroup and come back at us.

Vindication is certainly one way this could be viewed. I would be reluctant to be too triumphant until the possibility of an appeal has passed, but as already noted, the tax implications of the FTT are neither here nor there for Rangers fans in a financial sense due to the impending liquidation.

Let us first take HMRC. I do not for one moment dispute their right to address this matter. It was obviously extremely complex and they felt they had a case. However, some of their conduct in this matter has been highly suspect. First of all, as stated in the MIH statement yesterday, there have been consistent leaks, the content of which it is hard to attribute to anyone other than HMRC. This is now the subject of a call for a police investigation and that is something we should all encourage. A government enquiry has also been called for and a petition for this is currently sitting at over 15,000 signatures in just over two days. I would urge anyone who has not signed it to do so here http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42143 .

I would be interested to see the legal precedent for prosecution regarding any leaking of information of a tax tribunal. They are after all normally held in public anyway, and the usual reasons for them to be held in private is for public order considerations, not to prevent the privacy of participants. Of course we don’t know for sure who requested this tribunal be held in private or the reasons given, so it is difficult to elaborate on this, despite the comments from some seemingly well-placed sources.
I find it hard to imagine how many people would be willing to pressure the government on hunting down a whistleblower on an issue unconnected with national security, and for revealing information that would ordinarily be publicly available and has mostly been revealed in the published FTT judgement.

Put simply, the people who leaked information to the Rangers Tax Case blog and others should, in my opinion, be going to jail. They gambled on the result of the case but they have ended up on the losing side and are now scurrying for cover along with every single journalist, blogger and broadcaster who has got carried away over the past few months.

Whether those involved in a leak were on the losing side or not seems irrelevant. Any question of the legality of such leaks should be backed up with some sort of legal evidence – is it too much to ask which law could be invoked to prosecute someone in this matter? If RTC et al were guilty of prejudging the tribunal, would it be too much to ask that those accusing them of being party to a leak could both show the legal basis for this and then withhold judgement until the facts are available to be tested in a curt of law, subject of all the usual sub judice constraints?

Beyond the leaks, there are questions to answer for HMRC as to how they allowed Craig Whyte to fail to pay NI and PAYE for 9 months – not something they would have allowed any business to do under normal circumstances. The more cynical amongst us might think they did so in order to deflect attention from their own conduct.

That indeed is a fair question, and one I have been puzzled by for some time, although I am equally puzzled by your particular suspicions.

Finally, on HMRC, it would be nice to hear an answer as to why they delayed the tribunal process by taking up the full time – 5 days – allocated to one of the tribunal hearings. They were only allocated two days originally and this action meant further time needed to be scheduled and months were added to the decision making process.

I find it hard to fault HMRC for wanting sufficient time to make their case, although bear in mind the majority of witnesses were called by the appellant and there is no time limit to the length of any cross examination as long as it is productive. The detail contained in the tribunal’s report certainly hints at a lot of interesting and relevant evidence was produced, and indeed the testimony of the witnesses seems to have been crucial in forming the assenting judges’ opinion in upholding the appeal.
Certainly, it would be nice to hear fully why the tribunal was delayed, and there is already copious evidence in the ruling that suggests the obstruction HMRC found in gathering evidence, especially from Rangers. Indeed, the majority opinion is worth quoting:
“(iii) HMRC opened enquiry into the use of the MGRT in January 2004. The progress of the enquiry was protracted and chequered due to key documents being withheld or actively concealed.
(iv) The impasse in obtaining information was broken in the autumn of 2007 by a separate enquiry conducted by the City of London Police into Rangers, which had resulted in information being made available to HMRC for the first time, such as the side-letters, from the seized documents related to MGRT.
(v) It would appear that the side-letters were actively concealed in the course of HMRC’s investigation because they answered the central question raised by the enquiry regarding the basis of determining the amounts to be contributed to the main Trust and the sub-trusts. The side-letters also evidence the existence of some form of contractual agreement between the employer and
the employees.”

With this in mind, it seems curious that the writer of the article should focus on an extra three days during the hearings as a significant cause of the many years of delay from the start of the investigation, during which Rangers’ use of EBTs peaked, and then was ceased. Why the use of EBTs would be wound down if MIH were so confident of winning the case I have no idea. Similarly, why Murray would offer to settle the case, thereby admitting liability, remains something of a mystery.
At the very least, it seams reasonable to conclude that there was some merit in the tax bill HMRC presented to Murray Group – enough to eventually prompt an offer to settle by Murray, and to divide the three judges at Murray’s appeal against the assessment.

The conduct of the SPL and SFA will also need to be examined in the months to come. For the moment I will contain myself to saying that the decision by the SPL to continue with its sham tribunal into title stripping is now more transparent in its agenda than it has ever been. Perhaps they feel that, having come this far, the tribunal process must continue but any thought that title stripping remains on the agenda should be quickly dispelled. The idea that they would overrule the tax tribunal, which is what they would have to do despite the spin, is remarkable in its arrogance. Are we really supposed to believe that the evidence collated by Celtic’s lawyers, Harper MacLeod, will have more weight, accuracy or integrity than that presented already?

Now here we have a most peculiar attempted manoeuvre, attempting a vault of logic which demands that because an appeal against one charge has been successful, the accused must be innocent of another charge entirely. Anyone even slightly familiar with the law knows that it is possible for someone to be found innocent of one charge and guilty of a different but related charge around the same area. An example that might be memorable is the recently successful defamation charge brought by Tommy Sheridan against the News of the World, followed by his perjury conviction. Both cases hinged on much the same events, despite being conducted in different courts with different burdens of proof.
Victory in one case can surely be seen as no guarantee of victory in a subsequent one. I can see with some certainty why Rangers fans would not wish the SPL to continue its enquiry into dual contracts and payments to players, what with MIH’s own lawyer conceding that “ the employee should be taxed not on the emolument but on the benefit. It was irrelevant, he continued, whether the Remuneration Trust benefit was contractual. He conceded that where it derived from a (footballer’s) side-letter it was contractual”. That seems like a difficult area for Rangers and fertile grounds for enquiry by the SPL when examining whether their player registration rules have been broken.

This result has been a disaster for those in the media who believed not only their own hype but that of an online blogging community utterly desperate to see us become extinct. This was the football equivalent of an attempt at ethnic cleansing. The dishonesty shown by Rangers Tax Case, Phil Mac Giolla Bhain, Matt McGlone, Brian McNally, Paul McConville and other Celtic Minded commentators should not surprise us. Their hatred shone through but they misled not just the general public but also those in their own support who so desperately wanted to believe their misinformation. They conned their own.
I’m not familiar with the work of the more explicity Celtic-minded of those you mention, but I have been impressed by the fair presentation of information by RangersTaxCase – I struggle to think of anything she presented as fact that was later contradicted by evidence. Getting the final FTT decision wrong can be thought understandable given that the FTT judges were unable to reach a unanimous decision themselves, and I have heard nobody credibly suggest that the information RTC had access to was not genuine and part of the evidence presented in the FTT. Indeed, if Murray pursues legal action to back up his accusation that HMRC leaked information of the case to RTC, it seems to confirm that RTC’s info was genuine.
It’s possible to argue that RTC was swayed in her interpretation of the evidence by her Celtic allegiance, and even that they were wrong in their prediction of the eventual result, but suggesting dishonesty would require something more specific to be credible.
I can certainly believe that many were guilty, and still are, of believing what they wish were true, and there is also quite some embarrassment for some, myself included, who failed to predict the FTT verdict correctly.
However, a differing interpretation of the evidence of the FTT does not mean the evidence revealed in the FTT was false or that those that published it and discussed it online were guilty of misinformation.

If the vitriol from rival fans was not surprising, what was shocking was facing the same standards of reporting from sections of the media. BBC Scotland led the way with their dishonest and misleading reporting. Jim Spence, Stuart Cosgrove, Richard Gordon and others are not acting independently. Right across the BBC Scotland platform the message has been, and continues to be, as negative for the club as possible. BBC Scotland has taken an editorial decision to damage the club’s reputation as much as possible. Nothing makes this clearer than their “New Rangers” narrative which pervades their online, TV and Radio content. We should never again deal with BBC Scotland until the people who made those decisions are removed from their positions.

I wonder, in the face of such a mass of evidence of dubious behaviour at Rangers over many years, how any news organisation is meant to report that in a neutral fashion. You would not be surprised to hear that many others find their coverage rather limited and compromised, with only the very people you single out as the ones who have given any credence to the genuinely held opinions of many many fans of other clubs.

If the people on the committees that gave a Scottish BAFTA to Mark Daly and the Orwell Blogging Prize to Rangers Tax Case have an ounce of integrity then they will withdraw those awards forthwith. They have embarrassed themselves and the organisations they represent by jumping the gun and believing the hype.

Why is that then? Were there factual inaccuracies in either? By “jumping the gun” do you mean getting an exclusive on the details of a matter of great public interest?

As to the rest of your criticisms of individual members of the press, they are a mixed bag I would admit, and none have a flawless record. However, compared to Traynor, Wilson and McPherson they have shown a much firmer grasp of the facts and willingness to actually look for new information or angles to the story. I do hope you are not confusing journalism’s quality with its favourable content towards Rangers rather than its accuracy, no matter how unsavoury and embarrassing some of the facts turn out to be.

I wish Rangers well in building themselves back up, but I do hope they are able to do so in a way that is much more tolerant of contrary opinion, acknowledges past failings without deflecting blame on those who merely had to deal with the consequences of problems Rangers created for themselves, and especially a willingness to accept honest criticism, detect failings in their own house and deal with them rather than let them grow in the dark until they threaten the foundations of both the club and the football environment on which they rely.

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arabest1Posted on2:40 pm - Dec 7, 2012


You did not miss NT, well done. But CG does not tolerate any criticism on his blogs.

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paulmac2Posted on2:49 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Night Terror says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 14:26
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To me it is quite obvious why they have not approved your post…you have tried to be objective…

However there are a number of points you appear to be unquestionably incorrect on.

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wottpiPosted on2:57 pm - Dec 7, 2012


redetin says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 13:56

McCoists just doing as he is told as half is wages are probably tied up in shares.

Which brings me to another point.

Of the people listed in my earlier posts
a)how many have posted hard cash through the Ibrox letter box,
b)how many are in the form of loans to the club and what is their likely repayment arrangements
c)how many like Chuck’s and Sally’s are just a piece of paper that is only going to be worth anything if they actually sell. (and then will it be worth anything at all?)

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Night TerrorPosted on2:57 pm - Dec 7, 2012


I’m sure there are, paulmac2 – I venture into legal areas that I am no expert on.

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bawsmanPosted on2:59 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Night Terror says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 14:31

Well done my friend, you will of cousre understand that your good work will only see air here?

A while back I mistakenly thought that Chris Graham was the type of Rangers supporter some of us expect are actually out there, I was fairly swiftly disabused of that thought :-).

I asked some fairly simple and obvious questions about the conduct and past behaviour of Mr. Whyte (who was flavour of the month for a while).

Chris Graham actually labelled me a bigot for simply questioning the blatant crooks track record of setting up firms and paying ZERO bills.

He really isn’t very clever at all.

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taxlawplebeianPosted on3:20 pm - Dec 7, 2012


wottpi on Friday, December 7, 2012 at 13:44

Richard Gough’s “we”, could it be the EBT recipients “we”!

I see they’re all back at Ibrox for a celebration of some kind.

We all remember the last time they had a plausible reason to gather together. I believe that the EBT Recipients are meeting again to get the story straight just as they did at a certain Legends “Charity” Match.

No? But I do love a good conspiracy theory!

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Night TerrorPosted on3:29 pm - Dec 7, 2012


bawsman says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 14:59

Well done my friend, you will of cousre understand that your good work will only see air here?

I know! The lack of pre-moderation is awesome!

Wouldn’t mind being able to preview or modify posts though…

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twopandaPosted on3:36 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Oldco in liquidation – what’s left of value to creditors?

• Why does this liquidation need a creditors committee – and – formed of the maximum number of five?
• There was no formal creditors committee formed during the administration
• Seems an awful lot of attention for unsecured creditors wanting some cash back?

But there is this from the profs to guide
http://www.mlmsolutions.co.uk/Blog/insolvency/what-now-for-oldco-rangers.html

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angus1983Posted on3:41 pm - Dec 7, 2012


wottpi says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 13:44

I may be wrong but what exactly is Gough’s current position with Rangers that he can use ‘we’.
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When he uses “we”, I suspect that RG is aligning himself with his Ibrox brothers. 😉 After all, RFC as a club has effectively been an institutional “brother” since their official statement to that effect in 1912.

Strangely, I can’t seem to find any photos of the entrance hall at Ibrox other than a painting which shows a pair of pillars at the foot of the stairs. I believe that the entrance hall contains certain imagery – is it really quite as blatant as a pair of pillars, though, I wonder?

Through the porch, between the pillars of Strength and Establishment (!) and up the Winding Stairs.

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ordinaryfanPosted on4:17 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Walter Smith literally ran away from Ibrox when the crud hit the fan, he didn’t attempt to buy the assets or stay on and help his Club when it was on its death bed, he left at the 1st sign of Whytes ransacking of Ibrox.
Now he is back acting like he has never left, acting like he stood by the supporters and the Club he had spent most of his managerial career. He didn’t, he ran away from the Club he professes to love so much, and he left them up s*it creek with a paddle made of toilet paper, (also known as McCoist).
Now his arrogance and sense of entitlement is off the scale, he has strolled back into Ibrox and the supporters he left behind welcome him back!
This quote:”Every Rangers fan should have a respect for Celtic and vice versa because they are two great institutions.AND THEY ARE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL”, proves this man is only a hindrance to Scottish football.
This disgusting and bewildering superiority complex is the main reason Scottish football is on its knees.

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m8dreamerPosted on4:56 pm - Dec 7, 2012


M8Dreamer

As each week goes by, Rangers Tribute Act and everyone connected with them continue to bring
Scottish football into disrepute with their incorrect statements of the number of SPL Clubs that are responsible for them now playing in SFL3. If the Scottish Football Authorities had complied with their own rules this odius organsiation would not be playing football in the SPL/SFL and would be starting from the bottom of the football pyramid.
Now with their proposed boycott of the Dundee United Scottish Cup tie, I can only hope as a SPL Club season ticket holder, that when they eventually return to the SPL, they will still have their ban of SPL away grounds in place and we can continue to watch football like this season without the poison that their club and supporters bring to every ground when they visit.

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StevieBCPosted on4:57 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Unintended consequences.
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Just read the shocking story of the nurse who is feared to have committed suicide as a result – aparently – of the ‘Royal Prank’ played by an Australian radio show.

Whilst this is tragic, I’m sure the radio DJ’s had not even considered this as a possible, unitended consequence of their ‘stunt’.

Relevance here ?

With the recent ‘official’ boycott by TRFC, the continued cranking up of the ‘victim’ culture amongst the TRFC fanbase – and the expected ‘triumphalist’, 140 years celebration this weekend;

Where will it end ?

Will there be unintended consequences, mainly due to the inaction / rule bending by the SFA in particular ?

There will be a price to pay for appeasement.

And of course, I do hope I am wrong.

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tcup2012Posted on5:00 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Someone should ask Walter if a set of Identical twins with no external visible differences are the Same person 😉 Maybe we could ask DJ tonight 🙂 would do it myself but unfortunately other wise occupied 🙁

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rustyploughbhoyPosted on5:27 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Humble Pie
12.52

Jock Stein

“Football is nothing without fans”

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jonnyodPosted on5:30 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Why are Gough and Hately holding up an old Ragers strip if Sevco are the same club ,will sevco be playing in this shirt in the match because that would be interesting .
They are of course correct when they say they are celebrating 140yrs of Ragers history ,only thing is they are celebrating at a new clubs ground .
Now if they were to celebrate 141 yrs of Ragers history next year then that would just be ridiculous and make them liars and frauds .

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jonnyodPosted on5:33 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Oh I also meant to say ,I expect sevco will have another world record at this game (stop laughing at the back ) the biggest attendance in Scotland for a wake

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wottpiPosted on5:36 pm - Dec 7, 2012


End of play on Friday and still no word from the SFA in relation to DUtd’s request for guidance and information re the ‘boycott’.
I’m not one for making snap decisions but a wee update on where they got to after yesterday’s supposed meeting would be welcomed. Even if it just said we are still considering what is an unprecidented situation.

Maybe CO has moved into a new cave that the MSM don’t know about?

Last minute decisons re the newco membership
Ages to sort out what they wanted to do with Levein
Now this.

FFS guys get a grip and take some action.

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borussiabeefburgPosted on6:05 pm - Dec 7, 2012


wottpi says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 17:36

End of play on Friday and still no word from the SFA in relation to DUtd’s request for guidance and information re the ‘boycott’.

Last minute decisons

Ages to sort out

FFS guys get a grip and take some action.

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A bit unfair: as I pointed out yesterday, the authorities were rapid in their actions against the errant Elgin City, then ‘kicked them when they were down’ by issuing a charge against their chairman.

And I recall them throwing Brechin, Spartans and the ‘Shire out of their competition pdf too, for serious rule breaking (forgetting a date on a form, a letter not arriving at the SFA offices in time, that sort of thing).

It’s just CO,CEO, can’t always “do his job properly due to” his “previous association with Rangers”.

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iamacantPosted on6:12 pm - Dec 7, 2012


wottpi says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 17:36

There’s no major sporting event tonight that they can slip any news out but there is Corrie and Deidenders on from 7.30 – 8.30 plus CO and Chuckie are on at 8 on Sky Maiden Greats aka The Blues Brothers 😉

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jonnyodPosted on6:41 pm - Dec 7, 2012


The sevco fans will argue that they are still the Ragers till they are blue in the face that is their prerogative but the SFA and the MSM are not obliged to do the same ,they have chosen to do so and as a consequence the rest of the Scottish football fans are rightly IMO asking if they can be trusted in anything they say and do .
Just as admin/liquidation and 3rd Div football is a consequence of ragers mismanagement ,the SFA/MSM will see a decline in their power and authority with their stance in this saga

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mirrenmanPosted on6:44 pm - Dec 7, 2012


I like the Rangers strip they are wearing tomorrow

RFC 1872 – 2012

I like it, I like it a lot.

We could do the same. Ours would be SMFC 1877 –

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Long Time LurkerPosted on6:51 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Apologies if this has already been posted:

http://thedemiseofrangersinpictures.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/ticketus-increase-shareholding-in-newco.html?spref=tw

The article argues that once TRFC admission to the AIM market is completed, Octopus Investments Limited who own Ticketus will become the ‘Major Shareholder’ with 31.37%

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doontheslopePosted on6:52 pm - Dec 7, 2012


A sevco fan admits that Rangers(IL)/Sevco do indeed make mistakes.

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/adam-answers-the-walter-smith-mystery-the-rangers-website-got-it-wrong/

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jimlarkinPosted on6:58 pm - Dec 7, 2012


http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/bradford-city-get-fa-cup-boot-1

bradford KICKED OUT of FA cup – fielding inelligable player

[should have applied for a temporary licence, enabling their players to play in any competition]

[note, they were IN it – to get kicked out – unlike sevco who never were in the SPL]

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iceman63Posted on7:00 pm - Dec 7, 2012


There is no authority left anywhere in Scottish football. That is the problem. They have thrown out the rule book. Those who did so are still in place with no rule book and only their own backs to cover. They can still and do apply the now non existent rule book to all other clubs. SEVCO is not within their remit to punish in any way.
Truly pathetic.

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Carfins Finest. (@edunne58)Posted on7:04 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Luck of the draw. Recently Celtic FC celebrated 125 years of glorious history. Luck would dictate that our illustrious visitors at this time at Celtic Park would be none other than one of the biggest clubs in the world, Barcelona FC. and in one of the biggest soccer tournaments, The Champions League. It was just so right and fitting. The luck of the Draw.

Our biggest rivals for most of that 125 years are 140 years old this year. The luck of the draw has dictated that the illustrious visitors for the biggot fest this weekend at Ibrox will be none other than Stirling Albion. No disrespect but they may be the worst team in Scotland.

Slight Problem. They are no longer around now to celebrate this milestone. Solution. Get some reincarnated Club who cliam to sometimes be the same club to celebrate for you. Simples. And you can arrange to celebratre 140 years of history every year if you want. The history of Rangers FC will not go away. It will not get any longer. Then who knows in another 140 years they may have two 140 yr old parties in the same year. 1 for each club/team/holding Company/…… Doubt it though

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john clarkePosted on7:18 pm - Dec 7, 2012


Some of you may have noticed that on the form making the ‘announcement to be made by the AIM applicant prior to admission in accordance with Rule 2 of the AIM rules for companies’,
it is stated that ” upon admission, Rangers International Football Club plc will acquire Rangers Football Club Limited..”

I emailed the Stock Exchange (Aim Regulation) to point out that Rangers Football Club Ltd were liquidated and no longer exist.

I asked them to alert Cenkos Securities ( the ‘nominated adviser’) to the misleading mistake and direct them to correct the notice, to show that the club that will be acquired is actually a NEW club, registered as ‘THE Rangers Football Club Limited’, incorporated on 5th May 2012 and bearing the company number SC425159.

I got a nice reply to the effect that AIM regulation will raise my comment ( on a basis of anonymity) with the Nominated Adviser.

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nostarsandbarredPosted on7:21 pm - Dec 7, 2012


”To my way of thinking there is no difference between the Rangers Football Club of two years ago and the club as it is today. If you can see a distinction which separates the club from its history, you’re smarter than me. The club’s the same as it always was and the history remains intact.”

Absolutely….. the history of the following is clear;
Tax owed ….. no matter what decision is ultimately reached, you owe unpaid tax…. creditors… you owe them…. so then, going to talk to Chuckles about that ? Going to pay up ? No ? If you want the history, you get all of the history… you can’t pick and choose.

Pay up or… be quiet. Please !

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bogsdolloxPosted on7:25 pm - Dec 7, 2012


iceman63 says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 19:00

There is no authority left anywhere in Scottish football. That is the problem. They have thrown out the rule book. Those who did so are still in place with no rule book and only their own backs to cover. They can still and do apply the now non existent rule book to all other clubs. SEVCO is not within their remit to punish in any way.
Truly pathetic.

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I’m in agreement with that but would also say that historically the two big teams in Glasgow ran things pretty much their own way for years. Now one of them is successful and prospering whilst the other one is all bitter and twisted because their influence is broken and they have to resort to petty acts of self harm by boycotting other bigger teams just to prove they have muscles to flex.

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bogsdolloxPosted on7:32 pm - Dec 7, 2012


john clarke says:
Friday, December 7, 2012 at 19:18

Some of you may have noticed that on the form making the ‘announcement to be made by the AIM applicant prior to admission in accordance with Rule 2 of the AIM rules for companies’,
it is stated that ” upon admission, Rangers International Football Club plc will acquire Rangers Football Club Limited..”

I emailed the Stock Exchange (Aim Regulation) to point out that Rangers Football Club Ltd were liquidated and no longer exist.

I asked them to alert Cenkos Securities ( the ‘nominated adviser’) to the misleading mistake and direct them to correct the notice, to show that the club that will be acquired is actually a NEW club, registered as ‘THE Rangers Football Club Limited’, incorporated on 5th May 2012 and bearing the company number SC425159.

I got a nice reply to the effect that AIM regulation will raise my comment ( on a basis of anonymity) with the Nominated Adviser.
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is it not better just to let them get on with it rather than this kind of bitterness. All you are doing is giving them ammunition to call you Rangers haters.

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jonnyodPosted on7:36 pm - Dec 7, 2012


I have said it once but I will say it again the old ragers fans were always going to foot the bill in the end ,pity they are not deemed bright enough to be in the loop .

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ordinaryfanPosted on8:05 pm - Dec 7, 2012


I’m actually concerned by the Scottish Football authorities becoming smaller. Imagine Ogilvy, Regan or Peat but with the ability to make independent decisions on behalf of Scottish Football, it would be complete corruption and chaos. At least at the moment with the power shared out they are struggling to influence every aspect of the game in one hit.

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