The Real Battle Begins?

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The Real Battle Begins?

The increasing attacks on social media by the main stream press, fuelled in some respect by David Murray’s vague threats of litigation against bloggers, has brought into sharp focus the challenges facing the Blogosphere. It also brings into even sharper focus the prescience of Stuart Cosgrove’s assertion that this summer’s ‘epistemological break’  had begun to marginalize the Scottish sporting wing of the MSM.

The reality of that assertion is embedded in the misreporting of the FTT decision as a victory for RFC, falsely alleging that those who operated the EBT scheme had been exonerated, that RFC had ‘done nothing wrong’, and consequently accusing ‘vindictive anti-Rangers bloggers’ of playing a part in the downfall of that once great Scottish institution. It is also evident in Tom English’s rather bitter and one-dimensional anti-RTC polemic today in the Scotland on Sunday. Had it been entitled “Self Preservation”, it may have rung a few more truth bells.

I am not of the belief that the MSM is an instinctively pro-Rangers estate, but I do think that their reportage of the FTT is more geared towards discrediting the newly emergent forces in the social media area than it is towards rehabilitating the public image of RFC or David Murray.

However despite the contempt in which many people here hold the MSM and Murray, English does have a point that we would be foolish to ignore. No-one can deny that we do have a duty to ensure that we are responsible in how we present ourselves to the public. Now that our (and others’) success as a real and creative alternative has spurred the MSM into action, we are subject to greater scrutiny than at any time in the past. Our view is that we have to be pro-actively engaged in setting a standard for ourselves that is above those that the MSM have set for themselves.

We have on TSFM an audience exponentially greater than the number of posts. That presents us with a great opportunity to get our message across, but it also burdens us with an increased responsibility not to fall into the trap which has besought the Succulent Lamb Brigade.

We are a very different animal from RTC. RTC him or herself had information and insight to bring to the table that the administrators of this site do not. The founder and former admin of TSFM had the idea that the talent available from posters on the RTC – not just RTC himself – should continue to have a forum in a post-RTC world, and that those talents could be used to challenge the myths regularly represented as facts by lazy journalists in the MSM.

We have at our disposal on this blog forensic analysis of legal, media and corporate matters. We have an abundance of creative minds, all passionate about the game of football AS WELL AS a partisan love for their chosen club. With all that talent and expertise, we can make an impact on the agenda by challenging the misinformation and substandard journalism of the MSM, and our finest moments are when we do that. We lose authority and influence when the debate is impeded by bald accusation or innuendo backed up with little more than an historical view of our country.

Our biggest impact (and largest audience) is to be found when when our experts have collectively torn apart those myths presented as truths by the MSM, and when we have asked the questions that the MSM either can’t or won’t ask or answer. Those are the things that have driven the traffic to this site, and many of the emails we get congratulate us on that.

Our credibility plummets though when we go down the partisan path. We also get literally hundreds of emails from fans who ask that we cut down on the comments of those who are merely venting outrage at how they see the game being mismanaged (mainly so they can access the important stuff more quickly), and from fans who are just fed up with the constant name-calling – almost exclusively aimed at Ally McCoist and other Rangers figures.

If we claim to be an intellectual and journalistic rung or two above the likes of the Red Tops (not to mention to be decent and respectful of others), we need to refrain from the name calling and accusatory culture. We can ask questions, put items for debate on the public agenda, point out apparent irregularities and anomalies. In rushing to judgement of others from the comfort of the glow of our own laptop screens, we are guilty of the same lazy journalism we see in others. Name calling (all good fun of course on a fan site) is just a lazy thought process and as English says, comes across as “nasty”.

We never saw RTC as a fan-site. The original administrator of this blog never saw TSFM as one either, and nor do we. In order to succeed properly, we need sensible fans of ALL clubs to be comfortable and feel secure in our midst. Of course we are not breaking any laws, but can anyone honestly say that we have evolved into a welcoming place for Rangers fans?

TSFM is not about hounding any one club out of existence or into shame or infamy. In the Rangers saga we have sought to ensure that the football authorities play fair with everyone and stick to their own rules. One well kent RTC contributor, and no friend of Rangers, often said that if the FTT found in favour of Rangers we should move along and accept it. Well they did find in favour of Rangers in the majority of cases. That may not suit many of us, but we are the Scottish Football Monitor, not a Judicial Watchdog. We can say why we disagree with the decision, but criticism of the process through which the decision was arrived at is beyond our purview.

Since the accusation is often made in the MSM, we should state, unequivocally and unreservedly, that we are NOT anti-Rangers. Their fans face the same issues as the rest of us and they are welcome here. We are however, equally unequivocally against the gravy train journalism of the Scottish Football Wing of the MSM (with one or two honourable exceptions).

If the Anti-Blogateers in the press are correct, the popularity of the TSFM will recede as the Rangers Tax case reverts to the back pages before disappearing for good. However I do not believe that they are correct. I don’t believe that Scottish football fans are only motivated by either hatred – or even dislike – of one club. I believe we are more concerned with the game itself than the pot-stirrers in the MSM would have us believe, because we understand the interdependence of football clubs.

But we also understand that the people who run football clubs do not always run their clubs for the benefit of the fans. In the business world, that may not be out of the ordinary, since businesses are run for the benefit of shareholders.
However football reserves for itself a special place in the hearts of people in this country. If the people who run football clubs want to retain that favourable status, they have to be accountable to the fans.

The difficulty in holding them to account though, is that the cosy relationship cultivated between club directors, managers and players and the press renders the access to information a closed shop, and the information itself is heavily filtered and spun.

As long as we keep asking questions in response to the fruit of that cosy relationship, we will be providing people with an alternative angle and viewpoint, allowing them to come to their own conclusions, and not the one the MSM post-presser huddle delivers to us wrapped up in a bow.

For the SFM specifically, we believe that to have any influence, we need to enable the expertise at our disposal to flourish. It is also vital to our project that Rangers fans are included in our dialogue. We just can’t call ourselves the Scottish Football Monitor if they are largely excluded from participation because they feel they are being treated disrespectfully.

We can’t tolerate the accusations and name calling. We need to stick to what we have done best; factual analysis, conjecture based on known facts and on-line discourse leading to searching questions being asked.

One of the things we are looking at for the near future is to set up some kind of formal and transparent channel of communication between the SFM and the football authorities. Being truly representative of fans will make that easier to achieve.

The MSM will continue to attack the social media outlets. In one way you can understand it. Their jobs are at stake. The business model of the print media in particular has changed massively over the last five years, manifesting itself mainly in increasingly under-resourced newsrooms. Consequently it is besought by increasingly unreliable and under-researched journalism, even to the point where much of it is no longer journalism at all.

By comparison the Blogosphere has access to greater human and time resources, is able to react to unfolding events in real time, and crucially (because it has been eschewed instead of embraced by print media proprietors) has been occupied by ordinary folk with little or no vested interest.

We are still in position to provide a service in our small niche of the on-line world. We have rights to publish and speak freely about our passion, but we also have to live up to the attendant responsibilities, and thus the appeal for discretion on posting comments.

Where Tom English got it completely wrong (in the uniquely ironic way the MSM have about them), is that his industry has mistaken the rights others have earned for them as entitlement, and ignored almost completely the responsibility they had to act on behalf of those who pay their wages.

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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ianagain

ianagainPosted on4:13 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Hope HMRC have remembered to post their filing against the appeal. Last date to have it at the tribunal given Xmas etc will be Friday.

I’ll get me stamps.

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redetinPosted on4:15 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Was that right about the guy complaining about the SNP advert at Montrose FC? Because if they get promoted they’ll find one to complain about at Brechin too.

Remember the VB meeting of 4th July this year?

“A representative from Denny then informed the panel blah blah….” and lastly it would allow us to move on and concentrate on defeating the SNP’s fight for independence.” ”

Here is an opportunity for a wind up first time they visit oor ground.

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redetinPosted on4:26 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Just for some Christmas cheer, also fae the VB meeting of 4-7-2012.

– Malcolm Murray wants to rebuild the club. All assets are owned by Sevco Scotland.

– Imran … believed on a bad day the club was worth £50 million.

– Charles Green… said that he believed “everyone outside of this room and the people we represent” is Anti-Rangers.

– Malcolm Murray stated that the process for changing the name of Murray Park is underway.

– Charles Green left the meeting to attend another meeting with our enemies.

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FinlochPosted on4:50 pm - Dec 17, 2012


goosygoosy says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 14:51

I think you are on the money.

The share issue creates a holding company and potentially allows a fairly swift purchase by someone like Brian Kennedy that well known lifelong Rangers and Hibs supporter.
Part of the deal which I guess is pre-agreed is all the spivs get an honourable and profitable (very) exit.
The fans (even those who have been scammed a wee bit by the share issue) will immediately see good guys running the team again with Sir Walter staying on board with a real role and maybe a lifelong supporter who used to run the SRU being drafted in as Brian’s CEO man.
And Mr Traynor gets a real job too.
He wasn’t brought in for or by Greene but for the Newco.
James is too wise to work for someone as much a loose cannon as that – they’d be too similar.
No James is SDM’s pal remember, and is very much oldco.
And the Newco will be Oldco rather than Sevco.

I’d say James is already working on the relaunch and if I was him John Greig would be on standby too.

And the grand plan that goes back to SDM will finally have worked.

So well done to all those involved especially Mr Ogilvy for his facilitation at various crucial points. He played a blinder and will be re-elected by all his like minded pals and a knighthood beckons.
The debt has been shed and the club is just about fully reborn with new legit owners on the horizon.
And for a while it will be professionally run and they will go out of their way to rebuild the bridges torn down by Charlie.
He really has been a panto villain but it pays well.
The only thing us bampots will have achieved is a period for the new team owned by Sevco and soon to be Newco in the nether regions.

But as my gran used to say there is many a slip twixt cup and lip and this story will run and run.

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AllyJambo

AllyJamboPosted on4:57 pm - Dec 17, 2012


TSFM says:

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 15:17

Thanks for that TSFM, and for letting me know 🙂 glad we can still use the word Jabba to describe the most despicable example of what’s wrong with the MSM.

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youtawknabootPosted on5:03 pm - Dec 17, 2012


exiledcelt says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 15:26.
“We take the safety of our journalists very seriously.”
A wee story regarding this sort of thing….
On a cold quiet night back in Nov I had the unexpected pleasure of briefly meeting Mark.
I was out for dinner with the wife, walking along the road in the west end of Glasgow.
I recognised him as he walked towards & then passed me,I however also noticed the two big & very shadey lookin characters walking a couple of steps behind him.He smiled as he & then the other two passed me & entered a nearby shop.I turned to explain to the wife who he was & whilst busy explaining his work I noticed the two guys suspiciously lurking outside & taking turns to lean across & stare through the window, into the shop where Mark was.
I told the wife to cross the road & wait,I went back & entered the shop, approached Mark, shook his hand & briefly introduced myself.I asked him if the two guys staring through the window were his BBC minders,he laughed, looked over my shoulder & said no, why..?.We chatted,I told him I really enjoyed his investigative BBC work re the met police & sold the jersey’s etc..& then told him what I had observed outside.He seemed quite surprised but extremely grateful to me for taking the trouble to inform him.Anyway we left the shop together laughing & chattin away,I pointed out the two goons, who by this time were quickly walking in the opposite direction,both cursing to whoever was on the other end of their mob phones.I am absolutely certain & honestly believe that those two cowards were planning to intimidate or possibly harm Mark Daley that night…I hope the BBC are true to their statement .!!
What a genuine & cool guy, he spoke with the wife & me for a further 5 minutes, kindly posed for a photie,..no idea why he wanted a photo with me 🙂 sincerely thanked me again,we wished him good luck & he went on his way…made ma night, that did !!

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Long Time Lurker

Long Time LurkerPosted on5:13 pm - Dec 17, 2012


ianagain says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 16:13

Did HMRC not seek an appeal earlier in December?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20597808

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AllyJambo

AllyJamboPosted on5:17 pm - Dec 17, 2012


torrejohnbhoy says:

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 15:10

Genuine question, is that real? Is there really somebody out there that would write such vile, contemptuous bile? Is it really by Leggat? His writings are happily outwith my normal reading material.Sadly I suspect it really is for real, and even sadder that there are those who will see it as something to fuel their hatefest. God, what trauma could have happened in someone’s life to make them capable of writing that?

For the record, I gave up reading it before I was half-way through.

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arabest1Posted on5:19 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 15:19
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Carfins Finest. (@edunne58) says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 14:51

From Twitter@ Took me a second or two……worth a read.

http://swivel-eyeddavieleggat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/montrose-john-francis-xavier-paton-and.html?m=1
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Not a lot you can say about this piece of dross.
Typical Leggat.
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I am sure it’s a wind up.

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Further proof that Leggo and his ilk are utterly beyond parody.

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angus1983Posted on5:24 pm - Dec 17, 2012


arabest1 says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 17:19

Further proof that Leggo and his ilk are utterly beyond parody.
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Quite. 🙂

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ordinaryfanPosted on5:25 pm - Dec 17, 2012


TSFM says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 15:17
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allyjambo says:

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 13:04(Edit)

Just noticed one of my posts, in reply to Danish Pastry, is in moderation. I’m not complaining but have read it over and the only word that might have caused it was my use of a character from Star Wars to describe a previous writer on the DR. Is there now a number of, mildly insulting, words we are not allowed to use? I only ask so we can all make sure we avoid them in future.
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AJ,
Saw that in moderation. A WordPress gremlin I think. I assumed you had changed your email address because it was in the place where first posts go?

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I had a Post removed a couple of weeks back for including the “J” word to describe Mr James Traynor.

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youtawknabootPosted on5:26 pm - Dec 17, 2012


allyjambo says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 17:17

aj..you should have read it through…its a great example of ridicule, although its a wind up,its exactly the sort of deluded p*sh that clown frequently trots out daily for the w a t problem peeps…& the best thing being…they beleive it !! 🙂

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angus1983Posted on5:32 pm - Dec 17, 2012


exiledcelt says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 15:48

CG says they apologised – so they must have

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/montrose-issue-unreserved-apology-to-rangers-over-programme-jibe-1-2696034
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“… poking fun …”? ” … intended to ridicule our Club”?

Was there anything printed in the programme that fitted either of these descriptions? Because if there was, I missed it.

This is a bit sinister.

Montrose print a factual piece of information about New Rangers.

They then apologise to New Rangers for doing so.

The only winner here is Mr Green, who gets another little piece of ammunition in his effort to maintain the illusion.

As I said before – poor show, Montrose.

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AllyJambo

AllyJamboPosted on5:33 pm - Dec 17, 2012


youtawknaboot says:

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 17:26

Aw, feel a right eejit now, but what’s new 🙁 , but thanks for letting me know 🙂

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youtawknabootPosted on5:41 pm - Dec 17, 2012


allyjambo says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 17:33

🙂
If you ever happen to stumble or come across his link/site,(I won’t post it)…be warned !!
You will need a radioactive suit on entry & require a damn good scrub on exit…
..vile is an understatement !!

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TallBoy Poppy (@TallBoyPoppy)Posted on5:46 pm - Dec 17, 2012


finloch says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 16:50
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Gordon McKie?
KDS has a crib sheet on him. I’ll pull it if anybody is interested. A couple of the links are out of date but you’ll get the drift.

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stmileyPosted on5:48 pm - Dec 17, 2012


I would like to offer an unreserved apology to anyone who may have felt ridiculed by my comments.

*please note, I’m not withdrawing my comments.

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AllyJambo

AllyJamboPosted on5:52 pm - Dec 17, 2012


angus1983 says:

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 17:32

Green always seems oh so quick to jump on anything that upsets his puppets, it’s a bit like he just doesn’t dare let anything go unchecked. To my way of thinking it’s the action of someone none too sure of his beliefs, or rather, what he needs to have everyone else believe, so that he can continue to believe; to be forever ready to denounce anyone questioning that belief. If he genuinely believes that TRFC are unequivocably the Rangers Football CLUB, then he should come out and say exactly why this is, and with a lot more meaningfull reasoning than ‘I bought the history’ too. Maybe he could also answer how it might be that trophies and titles won by players bought and paid for by a company, can belong to a club, while the debts run up to create that trophy filled history, don’t!

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on5:54 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Negligent SFA, again ?
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Must say I was disappointed that Montrose have apparently apologised – but like most, (?), I was not surprised.
And to be honest, why should anyone at a small club, [& volunteers ?], be subjected to threats and intimidation ? They probably took the ‘sensible’ – and only – decision available and apologise simply to defuse the situation.

And again, where does that leave the official ‘protector’ of the Scottish game – the SFA ?
[I am discounting the SFL as the SFA created this situation in the first place by issuing a ‘conditional’ membership to TRFC.]

A wee club can’t protect itself – so by default, the SFA hierarchy is there to stand up and deal with unreasonable behaviour amongst its member clubs.

We have seen a pattern of behaviour re: the tannoy announcer with ‘the Sevco franchise’, DUFC boycott and assorted comments from blogs and their own CEO with ‘harming Rangers’ aspersions, and now we have the Montrose progamme editor (?) being lambasted with his home address posted for ‘people’ to direct their displeasure.

And this selection of events comes some time after Alex Thomson’s Ch4 piece on TRFC initimidation and threats which was broadcast nationally.

…And still the SFA says nothing. No public chastisement. No action.
So TRFC fans continue to threaten and intimidate anyone who states the truth which maybe embarrasing for them.

And this all stems, IMO, from the fact that Campbell Ogilvie is STILL SFA President – and who unbelievably thinks it’s OK to announce that he intends to stand for re-election ?!

You Sir, are a disgrace !
Get out of the SFA now, and get out of Scottish football altogether: you have caused untold harm to the Scottish game – and that will be your legacy.

[rant over]

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stmileyPosted on6:19 pm - Dec 17, 2012


So now we know where STV got their ECA statement. Charles Green just revealed on SSB that he got a letter from them last week.

STV doing the bidding of Sevco again. tut tut

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arabest1Posted on6:24 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Deep down Green and the Sevco fans know that the rest of us will never let it lie………never! How can they claim to be superior peepil if they ditch the debt and shaft their own season ticket holders, the tax man and 270 assorted vendors? That is UNFORGIVABLE! Get this any sevconians looking in……RFC are dead, the rest of Scottish football are not interested in your charade and you will be reminded of this forever………get used to it!

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rabPosted on6:40 pm - Dec 17, 2012


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9602394/Rangers-investors-have-doubled-their-money-says-Charles-Green-ahead-of-20m-stock-market-flotation.html

“The SPL threw us out the league. They then stole our money that was due for last year and also are pursuing us to strip titles.”

Charles Green, 11/10/2012.

Still not charged.

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BrendaPosted on6:45 pm - Dec 17, 2012


arabest1

I’ll second that 🙂

DJ just asked if there was a meeting next month about the authorities ‘trying’ to strip rfc* of titles in a kind of ‘let them try’ manner the man is a prize oaf…….. Deflect and deny all they like sevco are a NEWCO simples no history 🙂

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redetinPosted on6:57 pm - Dec 17, 2012


“Playing their first season in Division Three, The Rangers are a newco of the now defunct Glasgow Rangers.

“Currently top of the table, they will be hoping to go on to seal the title and clinch their first silverware.”

I’m searching this for the “proofreading error” mentioned by Derek Sim of Montrose. I think it must be the inclusion of “Glasgow”.

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angus1983Posted on7:11 pm - Dec 17, 2012


A piece about Montrose’s apology on BBC News this evening.

Stated as a matter of fact, with no further comment.

Missed opportunity – again – BBC.

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arabest1Posted on7:14 pm - Dec 17, 2012


abigboydiditandranaway says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 19:05

Honest and thoughtful post

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neepheidPosted on7:23 pm - Dec 17, 2012


abigboydiditandranaway says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 19:05

genuine question

how do you enter into dialogue with TSFM?
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Just my own experience, but it seems relevant. I had a post removed last week. So I contacted TSFM via the “contact TSFM” tab at the top of the page. He got back to me very quickly by email, and a brief exchange resolved the matter.

It does seem that a lot of people are having a spat with TSFM on the public forum, rather than contacting him direct as recommended. Washing our dirty linen in public is doing this blog no favours, in my opinion. The RM and FF denizens just lap this stuff up.

TSFM is doing a difficult job for no reward and must often rue the day he took the job on. I won’t agree with every decision he makes, but then I don’t run the blog. Let’s give him a break, folks. That’s if we want this forum at all.

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timalloy67Posted on7:34 pm - Dec 17, 2012


For a wee bit of fun, I decided to take the amount raised by the share issue so far £2m (according to STV) and divide it by Green’s worldwide fan base of 500million. I make it each fan has coughed up £0.004 PENCE for the cause.Such fan loyalty can only be admired…..

On a separate note the Leggat blog, I actually thought it was a parody.
The sons and daughters going to same school and son delivering newspapers to Lawwell was hilarious, sheer unintentional comedy by this clown…

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on7:38 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Rather than worry about ‘local moderation’, maybe we should start to worry about the big picture. 🙁

In case it has not been widely reported in the UK, international censorship of the internet has recently been disussed – and even voted on – by member countries of a relatively obscure United Nations Agency.

It has some relevance here re: the waning power/influence of the MSM, and the eagerness of the authorities to try and control internet content. [A global battle against the Internet Bampots ?]

Anways, it’s worth a read if only for awareness.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323981504578181533577508260.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on7:54 pm - Dec 17, 2012


From RM.
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Seems like TRFC fans can’t be bothered buying shares – or voting for their club either…

“e-Petition Update

Only at 35000.

Admin, you have a duty to make that pinned thread stand out. Too many folk are not signing this and spreading the word.

Get it sorted folks. I have got everyone I know to sign it. I have done all I can.

Can you say the same? If not, get on it. We NEED this.

250,000 went to Manchester, there was also 30,000 at Ibrox that day. We could reach that 100k no bother if people got their fingers out.

So get on it. Even make a fake email address and sign it twice again.

Lets get this done. It’s barely moved this last 2 weeks.

F****ng embarrassing we haven’t reached the target yet. ”
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Who can they blame for this… 🙄

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jimlarkinPosted on7:59 pm - Dec 17, 2012


A piece about Montrose’s apology on BBC News this evening.

Stated as a matter of fact, with no further comment.

Missed opportunity – again – BBC.
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to be fair to kheredine, he started the piece by saying

“THE RANGERS chief executive charles green…”

[it seems all that montrose “aplogised” for – was hurting the sevconians “feelings”]

nothing else, and that is why the matter is “finished”.

the rest is actually true,(even though it hurts their feelings)

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m8dreamerPosted on8:04 pm - Dec 17, 2012


M8Dreamer
Scottish Football has just plumbed new depths, when the Chairman of Montrose Football Club has allegedly apologised to the Rangers Tribute Act for their programme editor writing the truth and nothing but the truth about this New Football Club.
Unless the the SFA or SFL take immediate action against Rangers Tribute Act to prevent further intimidation of people within Scottish Football who are only telling the truth, then the “Lunatics” have really taken over the Assylum.

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Famous songPosted on8:06 pm - Dec 17, 2012


“Many fans lost their shareholding in the club previously”. Um, so what happened, Charles. They go bust or something?

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scottc

scottcPosted on8:20 pm - Dec 17, 2012


timalloy67 says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 19:34


On a separate note the Leggat blog, I actually thought it was a parody.
The sons and daughters going to same school and son delivering newspapers to Lawwell was hilarious, sheer unintentional comedy by this clown…

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It’s not unintentional timalloy, it’s a carefully crafted parody in the style of the real lego man. It’s bee linked here (or on RTC) before.

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layman00Posted on8:24 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Regarding the Leggit blog I assumed it was a spoof. I found it could not be a genuine blog with all that jibberish about paperboys and Peter Lawell getting the Daily Record delivered for vetting. Surely if the sevco paranoia was accurate Lawell would have a more direct way to do his vetting!?

Also this excerpt from the blog seals the windup for me:

The official Montrose FC website shockingly, sickeningly tells their supporters:

“Montrose FC Ltd (hereinafter referred to as “The Club”) continues to strive…”

That’s right. Montrose FC and their sinister, Rangers-hating Honourary President John Francis Xavier Paton hate Rangers so much, they are willing to say on their diseased, anti-Rangers website that the club and the company are the same thing!

Having read the Montrose FC mission statement anyone who wrote that blog is on the windup and if they’re genuine well then they’ve been drinking too much caffeine and not getting enough sleep at night.

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iceman63Posted on8:33 pm - Dec 17, 2012


We are now in the midsts of darkness.

Uttering the truth in this little country will lead you to face threats and intimidation and a stream of lies from our supposed free press in reply. As for the authorities, civil and football they seem hell bent on transforming lies into truth – and ignoring every breach of law, every breach of footballing law – investigation upon investigation by police, footballing authorities, the charity commission all stalled seemingly indefinitely – and all to save a vile institution with a revolting following.

They are not the blooming brown shirts or some terrorist gang – they are a bunch of thugs and wide boys who need to be taken in hand by the appropriate authorities – I won’t hold my breath.

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campsiejoePosted on8:36 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Is it possible that Charlie has bitten off more than he can chew, by deciding to take legal action against the players who refused to TUPE to Sevco
If this action goes ahead, I would expect it to clarify the exact status of RFC(IL), Sevco and the club
Not being able to spout propaganda, and instead having to deal with facts, could make this very interesting
Am I barking up the wrong tree, or is this a potential banana skin for the Dear Leader

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jimlarkinPosted on8:39 pm - Dec 17, 2012


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20754466

why don’t comet just get duff n phelps in – ditch the debt – sell the assets for a song
(maybe chuckle’s consortium would be interested)
then change the name to “the COMET” and start up again –

then nobody would know it wasn’t the same “COMET/the COMET”

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jonnyodPosted on8:40 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Looks like pressure from the newest club in Scottish football has again paid dividends for the hordes ,Oh what power they wield over Scottish football and all in full view of the SFA and of course CO head and EBT debtor of the old club that used to frequent Ibrokes stadium .

I will not ask for the SFA to act against their new baby as I am fed up waiting for them to do so .
All I will say to them is ,you better start praying you new club raise enough shekels to see the season out otherwise SILENCE will not be an option .

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Billy BoycePosted on8:46 pm - Dec 17, 2012


On the STV sports slot this evening the main item was the Montrose apology, the Sevco goals and a heart rending appeal by the Sevco coach to buy into Sir Charles Green’s pension fund. McCoist looked the camera in the eye and told the nation that he had made his investment as a sign of faith in the future of the club before going on to urge all the bears out there to do likewise.

Why do the directors of STV allow such blatant free advertising under the guise of a sports item? If TRFC want to promote their shares issue then let them pay for it like any other business. There was no effort on behalf of STV to show that the share issue had faltered, such as interviewing fans to ask them why they were not participating etc. Strangely McCoist omitted to mention what his own investment consisted of – shares or cash.

I believe that the Radio Clyde phone-in programme this evening was also a rallying call for reluctant bluenoses to pick up the phone a.s.a.p. and start dialling Wonga before tomorrow’s deadline.

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campsiejoePosted on8:47 pm - Dec 17, 2012


jonnyod @ 20:40

Be under no illusions, those who run our game, and indeed other clubs, have the team that plays in blue over at Ibrox, as, at the very least, their second team
In many cases, I dare say that they will be their team of choice
Rotten to the core

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jimlarkinPosted on8:50 pm - Dec 17, 2012


campsiejoe says:

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 20:36

Is it possible that Charlie has bitten off more than he can chew, by deciding to take legal action against the players who refused to TUPE to Sevco
If this action goes ahead, I would expect it to clarify the exact status of RFC(IL), Sevco and the club
Not being able to spout propaganda, and instead having to deal with facts, could make this very interesting
Am I barking up the wrong tree, or is this a potential banana skin for the Dear Leader

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campsiejoe – yeah i agree.

it will give the tribunal (another one involving sevco)
the opportunity to qualify that rangers football club was the employer and that rangers football club plc was part and parcel of the same legal entity which was established in 1899 when rangers football club plc and rangers football club were “incorporated”, and that the employer was one and the same and that when the employer went into liquidation, the contracts ceased [were ended] as the business was insolvent and ceased trading.

as one poster said earlier today, southampton the club and the plc were deemed to be one and the same.

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jonnyodPosted on9:00 pm - Dec 17, 2012


campsiejoe
I agree and have been deemed paranoid for years with regards the on field decisions going a certain teams way ,after what has gone on this season paranoid is not used so much nowadays ,funny that .
My problem is that as these peepil seem determined to threaten every football club and fans into accepting sevco as the old dead club ,I take it they will be looking for Sevco to be given the same decisions that the dead club benefited from .
Lets face it new clubs new followers don’t do 2nd place and will not attend matches to see bottom 6 strugglers if they ever appear in the SPL so are the SFA going to ensure they are challenging for the title

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cosmichaggisPosted on9:04 pm - Dec 17, 2012


WRT Southampton FC going into administration. At the time Rupert Lowe their owner at the time tried to argue that it was the holding company that had gone bust and not the club, therefore they were not liable to the 15 point deduction penalty. The FA disagreed, ruled that it was the club that went into admin as company and club were the same thing. Southampton were deducted the 15 points and were relegated to League one the following season

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abigboydiditandranawayPosted on9:11 pm - Dec 17, 2012


arabest1 says;

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 19;14

honest and thoughtful post

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might well have been an honest and thoughtful post but i told you it wouldn’t make midnighte

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Not The Huddle MalcontentPosted on9:12 pm - Dec 17, 2012


anyone else get one of these? popped into my mail box at 7.30pm tonight from capita registrars…..last orders at the bar please gents….

The offer to the public to purchase shares made by Rangers International Football Club plc will close tomorrow at 1 p.m. after which time applications will no longer be accepted. If you have already applied we thank you for your application and no further action need be taken by yourself at this time.

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cosmichaggisPosted on9:13 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Interestingly, when Leed United went bust it was brought to light that Peter Ridsdale their chairman was guilty al la Craig Whyte of mortgaging three seasons worth of season tickets to finance and continue to try and to make Leeds sustain their push for domestic and European glory. It was on the basis that Leeds continued to finish fourth or above in the Premier league. Of course, in the end, it was unsustainable, unsurprisingly. No lessons learned there by anyone else then.

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angus1983Posted on9:30 pm - Dec 17, 2012


jonnyod says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 21:00

I agree and have been deemed paranoid for years with regards the on field decisions going a certain teams way …
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I know, it’s shocking. Arbroath get a perfectly good goal disallowed just cos the goalie fell over.

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abigboydiditandranawayPosted on9:31 pm - Dec 17, 2012


post @ 21;11

should of course be “midnight”
bad enough with TSFM after me, without having the spelling police gunning for me too!…

…you know who you are!

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Not The Huddle MalcontentPosted on9:33 pm - Dec 17, 2012


didn’t Parma get away with the “holding company went bust” argument

i.e. when their holding company went bust – taking Parma FC with it, they successfully argued that the club were blameless and should be allowed their history/titles/trophies/name/badge back?

though in that case, there was a separate football club entity (company) and a holding club entity (company)

not some ethereal eternal non entity idea of an immortal club

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OldcobrokemyheartbycheatingPosted on9:35 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Any financial minds on here know if Mr Green can dress up the figures tomorrow? Or will it all be set out in black and white (Green & Whyte even) who invested what. Seems that a certain yorkshire man will be made to look a wee bit silly. But obviously haven adopted “we arry peepil” philosophy I doubt he will admit failure, hence hiding or dressing up the results. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

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barkinglamaPosted on9:40 pm - Dec 17, 2012


goosygoosy says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 14:51
47 9 Rate This
Nope
Something smells here and it ain`t roses

This is what smells

Why create a holding co for TRFC Ltd if the sole purpose was to launch TRFC on AIM?

This launch would have required TRFC Ltd to change its name to TRFC plc hus having the exact same name as the Co sold by Minty for £1
The cover story for floating a holding co instead of TRFC is that it facilitates RIFC being considered as a tax free investment under HMRC rules
However
I think there is a much more important reason
i.e.
The name TRFC plc has been earmarked for the real floatation of TRFC Ltd at some early future date
Does anything else smell?
Yep
The whole floatation is a con designed to wipe its face in cost terms and maybe even make some money from the Gullible
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Here`s my take on this phoney flotation

This RIFC share issue had one Spiv purpose and one Spiv purpose only

To place a new legal holding company above the assets of the liquidated RFC
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The share issue is phoney because

It is not offerring shares in TRFC

It has a ridiculous share price

It has misleading claims in its Prospectus

It is being launched on the worse date of the year for an IPO
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So why place a holding Co above the assets of TRFC?

Because TRFC already has a holding co which will sell TRFC to RIFC after the floatation

But
The name of the existing holding company for TRFC cannot be disclosed

Why can`t that name be disclosed?
Because a quick search of Companies House would reveal that it carries floating charges over its only asset ,TRFC Ltd
Floating charges that were agreed as the price of getting Ticketus, Close Leasing and CW support for the sale of assets and RFC giving up the name “The Rangers Football Club plc” This enabled Sevco Scotland to be renamed “The Rangers Football Club Ltd” and guranteed its name could be changed to “The Rangers Football Club plc” when it is floated on AIM at some future date
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The process looking forward?

I reckon
The share issue will flop but the goal will be achieved i.e. A holding co will be placed above TRFC which can do things in private without the publicity TRFC attract
The Gullible will contribute enough to clear the expenses
The institutional investors will buy in at a single figure share price
The Consortium will find legal ways to dump their shares at a profit

The Not So Gullible will await the real share floatationTheir goal is to get real shares in a newTRFC plc
TRFC will be offerred for sale by RIFC once the league situation has been resolved

Some form of deal will be struck to accommodate debts due to Ticketus, Close Leasing and Whyte.These debts will not be for the full amounts declared in the original Creditors List
.But they will still yield a healthy return

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Will the IPO raise enough cash to pay for it’s own fees?

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angus1983Posted on9:41 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Mr McCoist regurgitates what is obviously a pre-scripted press release to the Daily Record:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-boss-ally-mccoist-ive-1494692

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“McCoist is already listed in the share offer prospectus as owning 1million shares in the club, a stake of just under three per cent.

The brochure goes on to state that he will have more than 70,000 more shares after the new shares are issued but a smaller stakeholding of less than 2%.

Ahead of tomorrow night’s Irn-Bru Third Division game against Annan Athletic at Ibrox, the former Rangers striker revealed he has given Green’s plans for the future of Rangers a “vote of confidence”.

“I have personally invested in the club,” said McCoist.

“I think the best way to put it is that I have bought shares in the club as a fan, I haven’t bought them specifically as the manager.

“I wanted to do it as a supporter and when I am long gone the shares I have invested in the club will be passed down in my family.

“It is obviously close to my heart and like a lot of Rangers supporters will do, I did it on behalf of my family, it’s not so much for myself, more for my sons than anything else.

“I have been incredibly boosted by the level of support shown by the fans.

“In the rebuilding process that we are all part of – and it is the early stages – I wanted to give my own vote of confidence if you like, in buying shares in the club.

“As I say it is something a lot of Rangers fans will do for their own families, hopefully, and being one of them I felt it was something I wanted to do.

“The long-term future of the club is of paramount importance and we are going to do that with the support and help of people around the club.

“We have plans and agendas for the future and it will be determined by level of support shown from supporters and indeed other people.”

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Dear Bears,

If you don’t buy shares you will be cheating your children and grandchildren out of their family heirloom. Remember, you’re buying shares in the CLUB – not some kind of “holding company” like it was last time, honest – look, I even said it FOUR TIMES so you can be sure it’s the CLUB that you and I are investing in.

Love, Ally.

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SeniorPosted on9:45 pm - Dec 17, 2012


The new merchandising deal signed with Sports Direct – whose owner, Mike Ashley, owns 8 per cent of Rangers – could really spice up revenues.
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Mike Ashley could not be so stupid – (maybe he is, he tried once to remove one of the oldest iconic names in English football St James’s Park from Newcastle’s United football ground). By investing in Sevco he automatically jeopardized 75% of Sports Direct sales in the rest of Scotland.

On a different tangent. The Montrose apology is a wind up An apology is not worth the paper it is printed on without the authors full name and position.However, if I thought for a second it were true I would write to Montrose and explain to them that while the truth is often hurtful it is never necessary to apologise for stating same – unless of course you as a club have lost your moral compass!

Fogra eile

I have said it so often, to the point of ‘blue in the face’ comes into play.
The floatation is a scam – who would float at this time of year, with a new entity a couple of weeks old and a prospectus that a six year old could drive a coach and four through. Its like cutting hay with two weeks of rain forecast! He, and his backers need it to fail so the real plan A can be implemented.

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john clarkePosted on9:52 pm - Dec 17, 2012


iceman63 says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 20:33
‘..We are now in the midsts of darkness…’
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It is not for nothing that Cicero, whom I have mentioned before, is a hero of mine.

He was almost a lone voice in the Senate when he took on one of the most evilly degenerate, young, aristocratic-but-hugely-in-debt dog-whistlers that ancient Rome had to contend with.

Catiline.

A man whose name is like a hawked up spit.

A man whose mob-stirring powers and contempt for the rules of civic life set the bench-mark for all subsequent destroyers of the peace.

The Senate, like the SFA board, by their inability or unwillingness to see the damage that was being caused by Catiline, or because they were in his pay, or because they feared that his unchecked mobs would destroy them, kept their heads down, found ‘good reason’ not to take action.

Cicero was undeterred. He worked away- cautiously, because he was afraid for his life-but assiduously to find proof positive of Catiline’s conspiracy to seize power.

And eventually won, vindicated by the truth.

The world of football is, of course, a far cry from the world of high politics.

But we are seeing distinct parallels between Catiline and certain people in football, and between the SFA Board and the Roman Senate.

Is there a Cicero to be found, I wonder, who will rid us of the canker in our midst?

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redetinPosted on9:59 pm - Dec 17, 2012


“I did it on behalf of my family, it’s not so much for myself, more for my sons than anything else.

Is McCoist so naive? With a minimum of research, you will find far better investments than what Green & Co are offering. An IPO is not a good time to invest, too much volatility in the early days of a new issue. The AIM is not a place to risk your dosh. Later this week the market makers (brokers and traders) will be setting the share price to suit their ability to buy and sell. There’s going to be an interesting week or two for the sp.

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paulsatimPosted on10:02 pm - Dec 17, 2012


A fun fact about the IPO
Rangers fans could have owned 100% for £5.5m in the summer.

Their saviour, Charles Green, is now charging them £10m for 20%. What a great guy.

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SeniorPosted on10:05 pm - Dec 17, 2012


‘hawked up spit’ Thanks John another gem to add to ‘ad hominem’.
I have them all driven daft around the house demonstrating my ever expanding vocabulary.

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paulsatimPosted on10:07 pm - Dec 17, 2012


GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
@aldorfc1 @agent_868 I know there is trouble big trouble brewing it involves corruption at SFA/SPL and taped conversations and RFC .

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hangerheadPosted on10:07 pm - Dec 17, 2012


regarding this agent_868 twitter discussion, givanni di stefano/devils advokat…tweets:

GIOVANNI DI STEFANO‏@DEVILSADVOKAT

@aldorfc1 @agent_868 I know there is trouble big trouble brewing it involves corruption at SFA/SPL and taped conversations and RFC ….

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Madbhoy24941Posted on10:11 pm - Dec 17, 2012


angus1983 says:

Monday, December 17, 2012 at 21:30
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Once again Angus, I have to remind you… It was never a goal as the whistle was blown immediately, you cannot disallow something that never was 🙂

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paulsatimPosted on10:12 pm - Dec 17, 2012


New blog from http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/sevco-and-identity-theft/#more-3406

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john clarkePosted on10:13 pm - Dec 17, 2012


neepheid says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 19:23
‘…TSFM is doing a difficult job for no reward..’
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I agree, and would add that it is a very necessary ‘job’.

There are some of us who are extremely grateful for having had the odd post blocked ( it gives us time to avoid making arses of ourselves) or removed ( which saves future embarrassment when we find we were plainly wrong in our supposed facts!)

It is very easy to lose a bit of perspective, and ( in the words of Disraeli) become inebriated with exuberance of one’s own verbosity.

We do not want this blog to be undemocratic. Still less do we wish it to be unbridled and foul in its expressions of anger, dismay, disgust, or (,even), joy.

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smartbhoyPosted on10:13 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Probably nothing to do with your’re discussing at the moment, but I think it’s very ironic. Ha!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=476011462442602&set=a.134598523250566.13970.130723576971394&type=1&theater

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abigboydiditandranawayPosted on10:19 pm - Dec 17, 2012


john clarke says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 22:13

i agree entirely, we most certainly do not wish this blog to be undemocratic…

but it is!

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on10:29 pm - Dec 17, 2012


I see Gio is at it again.

GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
@aldorfc1 @agent_868 I know there is trouble big trouble brewing it involves corruption at SFA/SPL and taped conversations and RFC .

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finchleyflyerPosted on10:29 pm - Dec 17, 2012


I wouldn’t take anything Di Stefano says remotely seriously. In fact, you shouldn’t dignify his idiotic rumblings by quoting them here.

Especially since he blocked me on twitter last week for pointing out some grammatical errors in his prose. #touchy

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on10:31 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Must refresh before posting
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john clarkePosted on10:33 pm - Dec 17, 2012


abigboydiditandranaway says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 22:19
‘..i agree entirely, we most certainly do not wish this blog to be undemocratic…

but it is!’
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I am truly sorry that you think so.

As someone observed a little earlier, TSFM has frequently shown a readiness to enter into dialogue with any disaffected poster, and does not seem inclined to act arbitrarily.

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StevieBCPosted on10:44 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Dear Santa,

for Christmas could you please bring me a new blog post for the ‘TSFM’ website.

I have been a good boy, for most of this year.

Thanks ever so much.

StevieBC.

😉

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ordinaryfanPosted on11:14 pm - Dec 17, 2012


And one for luck!

Goodwill
goodwill [gd-wil] n

1 : an intangible asset that is made up of the favor or prestige which a business has acquired beyond the mere value of what it sells due to the personality or experience of those conducting it, their reputation for skill or dependability, the business’s location, or any other circumstance incidental to the business that tends to draw and retain customers
2 a : the value of projected increases in the earnings of a business esp. as part of its purchase price
b : the excess of the purchase price of a business above the value assigned for tax purposes to its other net assets NOTE: The Internal Revenue Code requires the purchaser of a business to allocate the purchase price among the various types of assets. Frequently the purchase price is greater than the sum of the values of the individual assets. The excess is labeled goodwill. Because of its indefinite life, goodwill is not amortizable as an asset. The purchaser will therefore usually try to keep the allocation to goodwill as small as possible.

http://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/goodwill.html

So if anyone searches Google, they can quite quickly find out that Green has not purchased the “goodwill” of RFC as that is NOT POSSIBLE.

How could Chuckles not know this when he’s the one claiming to have bought it?

Why doesn’t anyone in the MSM know this?

Why doesn’t anyone at the SPL and SFA know this?

Why doesn’t Duff & Bluff know this?

Why doesn’t the ECA, who say they have looked into the legalities know this?

Very odd.

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john clarkePosted on11:18 pm - Dec 17, 2012


StevieBC says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 22:44
‘Dear Santa,
for Christmas could you please bring me a new blog post for the ‘TSFM’ website…’
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“Santa, to write it, could you find an Italian football journalist with a particular knowledge of the Scottish Press scene and of SFA , SPL articles, rules, constitutions etc AS WELL as a pride in his dislike of succulent lamb matched only by his contempt for fellow ‘professionals’ whose chins are aye dripping with mint sauce?

Thank you.
PS. I think you should ditch your Aberdeen FC colour scheme when you fly over Govan next week.But if you get any hassle, shout ‘Donner und Blitzen and ‘Chancer ‘ very loudly indeed”.

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neepheidPosted on11:21 pm - Dec 17, 2012


ordinaryfan says:
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 23:14
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And one for luck!

Goodwill
goodwill [gd-wil] n

1 : an intangible asset that is made up of the favor or prestige which a business has acquired beyond the mere value of what it sells due to the personality or experience of those conducting it, their reputation for skill or dependability, the business’s location, or any other circumstance incidental to the business that tends to draw and retain customers
2 a : the value of projected increases in the earnings of a business esp. as part of its purchase price
b : the excess of the purchase price of a business above the value assigned for tax purposes to its other net assets NOTE: The Internal Revenue Code requires the purchaser of a business to allocate the purchase price among the various types of assets. Frequently the purchase price is greater than the sum of the values of the individual assets. The excess is labeled goodwill. Because of its indefinite life, goodwill is not amortizable as an asset. The purchaser will therefore usually try to keep the allocation to goodwill as small as possible.

http://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/goodwill.html

So if anyone searches Google, they can quite quickly find out that Green has not purchased the “goodwill” of RFC as that is NOT POSSIBLE.
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Please explain for me how you conclude, from the definition you have quoted, that Green could not possibly have purchased the goodwill of RFC? I truly don’t understand the point you are making here.

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ordinaryfanPosted on11:34 pm - Dec 17, 2012


Neepheid: Green didn’t purchase a business, company or entity, so he couldn’t have bought the Goodwill from RFC. And he also didn’t pay an inflated price on what he did purchase.

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jimlarkinPosted on11:40 pm - Dec 17, 2012


why did sevco not play any games during the summer?

because they were a new team at the time and did not have an sfa licence 1

a new team + no licence.

i stand to be erected, but –

[isn’t that why all the ‘pre-season’ friendlies got cancelled]

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