Good Evening.
As we ponder the historic vote to create a new Governing body to oversee Scottish League football, I cannot help but wonder what brilliant minds will be employed in the drawing up of its constitution, rules, memorandum and articles of association?
Clearly, Messrs Doncaster, Longmuir and even Mr Regan as the CEO of the SFA will be spending many hours with those dreaded folk known simply as “ The Lawyers” in an attempt to get the whole thing up and running and written down in the course of a few short weeks.
In truth, that scares me.
It scares me because legal documentation written up in a hurry or in a rush is seldom perfect and often needs amendment—especially when the errors start to show! The old adage of beware of the busy fool sadly applies.
It also scares me because the existing rules under which the game is governed are not, in my humble opinion, particularly well written and seem to differ in certain material respects from those of UEFA. Even then, adopting the wording and the approach of other bodies is not necessarily the way to go.
I am all in favour of some original thought– and that most precious and unusual of commodities known as common sense and plain English.
Further, the various licensing and compliance rules are clearly in need of an overhaul as they have of late produced what can only be best described as a lack of clarity when studied for the purposes of interpretation. Either that or those doing the studying and interpreting are afflicted with what might be described as tortuous or even tortured legal and administrative minds.
If it is not by now clear that the notion of self-certification on financial and other essential disclosure criteria necessary to obtain a footballing licence (whether European or domestic) is a total non-starter — then those in charge of the game are truly bonkers.
Whilst no governing body can wholly control the actions of a member club, or those who run a club, surely provisions can be inserted into any constitution or set of rules that allows and brings about greater vigilance and scrutiny than we have at present—all of course designed to do nothing other than alert the authorities as early as possible if matters are not being conducted properly or fairly.
However, the main change that would make a difference to most of the folk involved in the Scottish game – namely the fans— would be to have the new rules incorporate a measure which allowed football fans themselves to be represented on any executive or committee.
Clearly, this would be a somewhat revolutionary step and would be fought against tooth and nail by some for no reason other than that it has simply not been done before—especially as the league body is there to regulate the affairs of a number of limited companies all of whom have shareholders to account to and the clubs themselves would presumably be the shareholders in the new SPFL Ltd.
Then again to my knowledge Neil Doncaster is not a shareholder in The SPL ltd– is he?
I can hear the argument that a fan representative on a league body might not be impartial, might be unprofessional, might be biased, might lack knowledge or experience, and have their own agenda and so on—just like many chairmen and chief executive officers who already sit on the committees of the existing league bodies.
Remember too that the SFA until relatively recently had disciplinary committees made up almost exclusively of referees. I don’t think anyone would argue that the widening of the make up of that committee has been a backward step.
However, we already have fan representation at clubs like St Mirren and Motherwell, and of course there has been an established Tartan Army body for some time now. Clubs other than the two mentioned above have mechanisms whereby they communicate and consult with fans, although they stop short of full fan participation– very often for supposedly insurmountable legal reasons.
As often as not, the fans want a say in the running of their club, but also want to be able to make representations to the governing bodies via their club.
So why not include the fans directly in the new set up for governing the league?
Any fan representative could be someone proposed by a properly registered fan body such as through official supporters clubs, or could be seconded by the clubs acting in concert with their supporters clubs.
Perhaps a committee of fan representatives could be created, with such a committee having a representative on the various committees of the new league body.
In this way, there would be a fan who could report back to the fan committee and who could represent the interests of the ordinary fan in the street in any of the committees. Equally such a committee of fans could ensure that any behind the scenes discussions on any issue were properly reported, openly discussed, and made public with no fear of hidden agendas, secret meetings, and secret collusive agreements and so forth.
Is any of that unreasonable? Surely many companies consider the views of their biggest customer? This idea is no different.
Surely such a situation would go some way towards establishing some badly needed trust between the governing bodies and the fans themselves?
If necessary, I would not even object to the fan representatives being excluded from having a right to vote on certain matters—as long as they had a full right of audience and a full right of access to all discussions and relative papers which affect the running of the game.
In this way at least there would be openness and transparency.
In short, it would be a move towards what is quaintly referred to as Democracy.
Perhaps, those who run the game at present should consider the life and times of the late great Alexander Hamilton- one of the founding fathers of the United States of America and who played a significant role in helping write the constitution of that country.
Hamilton was a decent and brilliant man in many ways—but he was dead set against Democracy and the liberation of rights for the masses. In fact, he stated that the best that can be hoped for the mass populace is that they be properly armed with a gun and so able to protect themselves against injustice!
Sadly, Hamilton became embroiled in a bitter dispute with the then Vice President of the nation Aaron Burr in July 1804. Hamilton had used his influence and ensured that Burr lost the election to become Governor of New York and had made some withering attacks on the Vice President’s character.
When he refused to apologise, the Vice President took a whacky notion and challenged him to a duel! Even more whacky is the fact that Hamilton accepted the challenge and so the contest took place at Weehawken New Jersey on the morning of 11th July 1804.
The night before, Hamilton wrote a letter which heavily suggested that he would contrive to miss Burr with his shot, and indeed when the pistols fired Hamilton’s bullet struck a branch immediately above Burr’s head.
However, he did not follow the proper procedure for duelling which required a warning from the duellist that they are going to throw their shot away. Hamilton gave no such indication despite the terms of his letter and despite his shot clearly missing his opponent.
Burr however fired and hit Hamilton in the lower abdomen with the result that the former secretary to the treasury and founding father of the constitution died at 2pm on the twelfth of July.
The incident ruined Burr’s career (whilst duelling was still technically legal in New jersey, it had already been outlawed in various other states).
In any event, in Hamilton’s time full and open democracy in the United States of America would have met with many cries of outrage and bitter opposition. Yet, today, the descendants of slaves and everyone from all social standings, all ethnic minorities and every social background has the constitutional right to vote and seek entry to corridors of power.
In that light, is it really asking too much to allow football fans to have a say and a presence in the running of a game they pay so much to support?
Exiled Celt 7.26
Pump n dump. Phil Mac Giolla Bhains latest article suggests the same.
Keep up the illusion of normality and sell the 1p shares for as much as the illusion will fetch and then scarper.
Job done with possibly a leaner fitter organisation cleansed of financial steroids ready to take its proper place in the football world. Wherever that might be as long as its done fair and square.
Another Newco? This newspaper article actually answered some of the questions I had yesterday on the Hearts situation (thanks for the response Gaz). This quote is rather pertinent:
“… The delay prevents BDO from acquiring UBIG’s 50 per cent shareholding in the club. “If we cannot get the shares then we have to start thinking: ‘is there another way of doing it?’ ” said Birch. “That might mean, of course, the Rangers way. They set up a newco because they could not do a CVA because of HMRC.
“But that took them out of the league, so there is a precedent there,” he added. “You try and avoid that at all costs. Whether the SPFL and the SFA would treat us the same way, I don’t know.””
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/hearts-administration-newco-a-possibility-1-2988151
Auldheid says:
July 4, 2013 at 8:24 am
That presumably is when the “Real Rangers Men” step in. Pick up shares for a decent price, still leaving the “institutional investors” with a healthy profit and at the same time creating a(nother) new dawn for the Rangers’ support. Another “get behind the team you love” sales campaign.
At the same time having a real new start . Explaining that after all that has happened they really need to cut their cloth appropriately and be realistic with budgets etc. New Rangers, new reality.
You would almost think it’s what was intended all along.
Auldheid says:
July 4, 2013 at 8:24 am
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Exiled Celt 7.26
Pump n dump. Phil Mac Giolla Bhains latest article suggests the same.
Keep up the illusion of normality and sell the 1p shares for as much as the illusion will fetch and then scarper.
Job done with possibly a leaner fitter organisation cleansed of financial steroids ready to take its proper place in the football world. Wherever that might be as long as its done fair and square.
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Time for another very ignorant question or two from a dunce in all things financial. Apologies in advance:
(i) Is it correct to assume that those with the cheap shares can cash in at the current trading price?
And (ii) that the money they cash in for will come from the available monies in the kitty (floatation cash plus ST income)? I thought that for every share sale there had to be an actual buyer?
Gaz says:
July 4, 2013 at 9:04 am
“You would almost think it’s what was intended all along.”
NAIL. HEAD. HIT. SQUARELY. (with minor amendment about the enforced sabatical in the 4th Div)
I’m also intrigued by the CF communication. To recap
SFA lawyer Rod McKenzie: “The paper should include, as well as the structure of the proposed transactions,how it is proposed that the points we discussed on compliance with SPL Membership Criteria, groundregistration and player registration both with the SFA and SPL, would be addressed.”
So in late 2010 there were expected to be issues with SPL membership criteria, ground registration and player registration (and on the last point the irony of the author is not lost on me!) The former only became an issue with fan pressure, the second has never been an issue since its not as though there has ever been any doubt as to ownership and the third, well enough said really.
We all jumped on the newco thing when in fact that was just the boat in the dockyard. It wouldn’t have floated without ‘clarification’ on these issues.
And to be clear for some, that’s neither a dig at the club (sic) involved nor the administrators per se. Both parties were doing what they should have been – running ideas up flag poles and seeing which ones flew – its the section of the discussion on how do we get fan buy-in here that I would have found interesting. I’m especially interested in the quantum of the majority that voted for the “Lets treat them like ignorant sheep” strategy.
I too have just listened to the biggest event since Frost/Nixon!
These in house interviews are always light and fluffy and that was to be expected, but this was quite something. Sevco, like Rangers are quite something, they are hard wired to avoid any questions that might be problematic, and instead spew propaganda and jerk off the bears. No mater the question, Ally drew a weary breath and started with ‘look!’, or ‘listen!’ then the usual Sevco are pure magic and those fans deserve to be winning stuff ….whatever the cost. Oh dear!
As for the interviewer…………loaded questions to allow Ally to demonstrate ‘passion’ for the cause, and of course the usual threat at the end……I am curious as to what form the ‘day of reckoning’ will take? What does he have in store for those supposed Rangers fans who daily throw stones at the famous old facade. And what of the fly wee kickers? …………………………and the bampots? will he savage us with press releases claiming we are wrong? 🙂
Danish Pastry 9.10
Going from what I have picked reading tsfm and PMcGB there is a period where the 1p shareholders cannot cash in.
December maybe so any time after that they can start cashing in. Hence the need to keep the lights on until then.
Whoever buys will use their own money and that goes to whoever they buy the shares from and since they only paid 1p they stand to make a few bob.
The Rangers would be the equivalent of a car sold by one owner to another. The car can only hope the new owner is a good driver.
The more it looks like a going concern ( I knew a guy who used to buy cars at auction, fix the holes with cataloy, paint and then sell for a decent price) the more the 1p holder will be looking for.
If AMcC has access to a time machine on the new super bus he may just want to transport himself a year into the future and look back at this charade.
The spivs will have cashed in on those 1p shares for 40p per share and will be nowhere to be seen. TRFC will have realised that they can’t pay the salaries of the 1st September players and a new administration will have been brought on. “True” Rangers men will have come in to run the club within its means meaning top salaries of no more than £1k per week for the foreseeable future.
“Super” will be sickened, of that there is no doubt, but the profit he has made on his own 1p shares (Did he even pay 1p ?) will have softened the blow.
Smugas says:
July 4, 2013 at 9:29 am
Remember way back, when Green originally took over, he said he was there to make money and that he would only be there for a year or so. That was before he caught Rangersitis of course and it turned out he loved the club.
Anyway, the objectives are clear. Get rid of the club debt, that calls for some things the fans will find totally unacceptable, for example administration, so you need a real villain for that. Someone to take all of the blame and that short period of history is all his fault. Nothing to do with the club just that one rogue. That is a necessary evil and divests the club of debt.
Next rebuild the club, you really need another clean skin for that. Someone who will make the hard decisions, cut where cutting is required, do the unpopular things. (However he will also stick up for the fans in the media and attack the enemy, that makes things much easier for him). Those hard decisions are now acceptable, after what the last person did it’s all about saving the club and rebuilding it. Much more will be accepted than would ever have been before. Of course it needs to be a hard hitting businessman who sees Rangers as a potentially profitable business and who draws up plans to show that, the hard times will be worth it in the end and he will walk away with his profit, but leave the club at the top of Scottish football, making money and winning things. (It would help if he was portrayed as a “Fergus McCann” figure, thick fans understand that). It’s easy to get people to believe things they desperately want to.
Last but most importantly Real Rangers Men take over. The club is back on track, with no more pesky debts to be dragging it down. So much better than Real Rangers Men actually buying the club directly from Sir David Murray and having to deal with the problems like the debt. (That is the real Fergus McCann model btw).
Such a pity about no CVA and no place in the SPL.
As an aside, I take it everyone is in no doubt where the profit for Green and the “institutional investors” was coming from. That would be the fans who bought the shares at a ridiculous price of 70p, when the profit makers got their for much less and in some cases 1p. The original plan of course was for the punters to put in £10m of their money, that is what Charles Green kindly put aside for them, unfortunately for him they only came up with £5m. Hence the real struggle for cash flow just now.
Danish Pastry says:
July 4, 2013 at 9:10 am
Any passing of money will be between buyer and seller, via a market maker. The market makers are a shady cabal who set the prices. They are supposed to be in competition so ensure a fair market, but people who regularly trade shares may not agree this is the case.
There is not always a buy to every seller. Market markers can stock up on shares. They can also sell shares they don’t (sounds dodgy, but a very common practice). It is possible that the market makers have a stockpile (pardon the pun) of shares that they need to get a certain price for, and this is the reason the share price has not moved.
As an occasional trader I know a little about the markets, but delighted to hear from someone with deeper knowledge on the subject.
Danish Pastry says:
July 4, 2013 at 9:10 am
Any passing of money will be between buyer and seller, via a market maker. The market makers are a shady cabal who set the prices. They are supposed to be in competition so ensure a fair market, but people who regularly trade shares may not agree this is the case.
There is not always a buy to every seller. Market markers can stock up on shares. They can also sell shares they don’t have (sounds dodgy, but a very common practice). It is possible that the market makers have a stockpile (pardon the pun) of shares that they need to get a certain price for, and this is the reason the share price has not moved.
As an occasional trader I know a little about the markets, but delighted to hear from someone with deeper knowledge on the subject.
I just watched the Traynor/ McCoist interview.
‘The day of reckoning will come’
‘We know who they are’
Who would want to inhabit such a sad little tribal and native parallel Universe?
Castofthousands says:
July 3, 2013 at 11:16 pm
upthehoops says:
July 4, 2013 at 7:16 am
Exiled Celt says:
July 4, 2013 at 7:26 am
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No need to repeat to me the misdemeanours of Rangers, I’m fully aware of them, but by choosing to do so I reckon you’re proving the point I was originally making. There are some brilliant posters on here but I believe there is no desire by the majority to engage in debate regarding non-Ranges events, that much is fairly obvious. Even a cursory glance at some of the comments will tell you that. I feel the environment has become unwelcoming to anyone wishing to do so if their comments and views don’t fall within a constantly narrowing set of parameters. So why don’t I comment on the other non-Rangers events in Scottish football? Sadly, I don’t think this is the place to do it.
Morning all.
To me it’s no coincidence that word of redundancies,players being informed the can go for free etc,just days after the ST renewal closing date.I wonder how many STs would have been bought if all this was made public 3 or 4 weeks ago.
If correct,and Sheils and Black can go,then surely Wallace(£15k) and Templeton(£8k) should be next.How much will it cost to pay-off these 4?.
By my reckoning these 4 players make around £1.85m between them.The crazy decision to employ them to play in Div 3 will come back and haunt TRFC.If they don’t get a good move AND a good pay-off.They’ll stay and see out their contract.
Meanwhile Ally’s in the Herald this morning saying his squad’s too small for the demands ahead.
Crazy stuff.
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July 3, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Celtic Paranoia says:
July 3, 2013 at 4:29 pm
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In your posts above on MSM ‘Old Firm’ bias you perhaps omitted the most despicable example.
The Daily Record headlines on bill-boards across the country read, “Old Firm player player accused of rape” We soon learned that this serious matter had absolutely nothing to do with Celtic or any of its employees. The individual in question was a goalkeeper for Rangers, yet the DR editor, knowing exactly who it was and what club he played for, chose involve an innocent party – who just happened to be Celtic F.C. The incident could have resulted in a criminal prosecution with lives and reputations destroyed, yet the DR could not resist the opportunity to make such a cheap and deplorable attack.
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It might be the case that this was a sign of ‘bias’ but I think it unlikely although the actual motive is no less cynical.
At its simplest the billboards are handled by the circulation department who get copied-in on the daily story schedules for each editorial section with news and sport being normally the most important ones in terms of potential impulse sales. The journo who writes the story has nothing to do with the billboard heading and some of the circulation guys can create far better tabloid headlines than the editorial subs produce for the actual newspaper.
So by describing the player as ‘Old Firm’ rather than Rangers or Celtic you effectively double the the sales potential from impulse buys. That’s the basic theory but it can all get quite complex with the received wisdom that if you actually identify the player as either Rangers or Celtic then the supporters of the team named won’t buy the paper viewing it as an attack on the club and though some fans from the other side of the ‘Old Firm’ might buy the paper for a good ‘gloat’ it is unlikely to make up for the sales lost as explained.
The billboards will also be regionalised to suit different editions of the paper and there again in a national story some tenuous links to an area/s are often employed to catch the attention of potential local readers.
It’s not just large circulation papers that play the Billboard Game and perhaps the Greenock Telegraph is in a league of its own with biilboards screaming: ‘Ferry Tragedy – 200 drowned’ or ‘River Tragedy – Hundreds Lost’. Once the paper is bought the ‘tragedy’ is revealed as not on the River Clyde but usually in a Far Eastern country. It’s no less a tragedy for those involved and those that knew them but in a strange quirk of human nature many of the impulse paper purchasers are left with a vague sense of feeling cheated that it didn’t happen on the Clyde.
There’s nowt so queer as people!
Livingston’s Almondvale Stadium to host Albion Rovers v Rangers in the Ramsdens Cup
Gabby says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:54 am
Smugas says:
July 4, 2013 at 9:29 am
Exiled Celt says:
July 4, 2013 at 5:51 am
incredibleadamspark says:
July 4, 2013 at 10:31 am
“It has already been disclosed by CW that he told ND and SR the situation in Oct – they were well aware of the running a club while insolvent scenario.”
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I’d agree with smugas that communication with the SPL concerning a possible/inevitable insolvency event is not incriminating in itself. However the likely contravention of Uefa entry regulations a year earlier puts this into a context where motives are highly questionable.
Gabby, that is an astute observation. Sometimes in the merrygoround of reoccurring names significant factors can be overlooked. McKenzie’s sterile position at LNS enquiry makes sense when you consider he was already negotiating on Rangers behalf at an earlier stage in the proceedings.
Exiled, this was only Whyrte’s universe that the early knowledge of insolvency existed. In (S)DM’s universe the scenarios had been considered far earlier. HirsuitPursuite has already pointed to the implications of SFA Article of Association changes in 2009 and other similar rule changes in SPL codes. In the big picture, as someone said, Whyte was simply the ‘wicked witch’ character used to shoulder all the bad stuff.
Adam. This is a huge story. The details are not being pursued by the main stream media never mind the implications. Its one thing to manufacture a set of circumstances to strip debt from an organisation but quite another to think you can get away with it without anyone commenting. I’m not the biggest of football fans but I like a bit of justice. I don’t necessarily believe it will be forthcoming but I know it certainly won’t if not pursued. It is regrettable that so much time and effort needs to be expended in uncovering the truth behind the Rangers saga. However it is also fascinating and in the light of the knowledge gained, hilarious at times. I don’t laugh at Rangers fans when I read about associations between Rangers and the Dallas cowboys. I don’t deride Rangers fans when Jim Traynor and Ally McCoist warn of coming retribution. I am critical of Rangers fans inability for self analysis. Others are more than critical, they are scathing. Its not my forum. Everyone has their opinion. As do you. You are free to express it. You may gets ‘thumbs down’ but the moderators will ensure you are not subject to abuse. We need Rangers voices on here even if it is just, to do as you have done, to curb our excesses.
A GROUND-BREAKING partnership between Rangers Football Club and Huawei, a leading global information and communications technology (ICT) solutions provider, is set to bring fans into a whole new era of in-depth, WiFi-based engagement with the club.
In a seven-figure investment, the club is working with Huawei to provide one of football’s first fully converged stadium-wide WiFi deployments.
>>>>>> none of this is adding up, why spend money if u are looking to get out with as much money as possible
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
July 4, 2013 at 10:38 am
Meanwhile Ally’s in the Herald this morning saying his squad’s too small for the demands ahead.
Crazy stuff.
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I think the pressure must be getting to him because even if he is out of the financial information ‘loop’ then he surely must realise that things are getting tight. And I find it hard to believe that Smith isn’t keeping him in the picture always assuming that he is fully aware of the situation.
And on top of the upheaval taking place with non-playing staff Ally knows that he’s in last chance saloon as a manager and if things don’t drastically improve in what is being served-up footballwise then he could effectively be finished by Christmas. But the timing may suit because his 12 month share lock-in as a key employee ends in mid December.
But this obsession he apparently has about having replacement cover for every position for me betrays a deep insecurity about his players and his tactics which he seems to have difficulty in changing in the course of a game.
Nero, Rome, fiddle and burning cash springs to mind.
andy graham says:
July 4, 2013 at 11:17 am
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A GROUND-BREAKING partnership between Rangers Football Club and Huawei, a leading global information and communications technology (ICT) solutions provider, is set to bring fans into a whole new era of in-depth, WiFi-based engagement with the club.
In a seven-figure investment, the club is working with Huawei to provide one of football’s first fully converged stadium-wide WiFi deployments.
>>>>>> none of this is adding up, why spend money if u are looking to get out with as much money as possible
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Andy,
Like the “new bus” story – you have to ask who is paying the seven figure sum?
My guess is that someone like their official gambling partner “bet butler” or maybe even a bigger fish is funding a large part of the bill.
In return for punters PAYING to access the wifi service, there may be access to only one gambling partner site and Sevco Currents will receive income based on the match day subscribers and a % of turnover.
Alternatively, Sevco may just be happy to give out a good news story – we are installing wifi in the stadium, costs a lot of money but the fans deserve it. So it may not generate them any income, but be cost neutral.
but it will certainly be beneficial in future contract negotiations with sponsors – wifi subscribers may have to watch a Blackthorn/Sports direct/bet Butler/Bruces Wedding Coach hire advert before they can surf teh net – and of course, all their lovely email and mobile phone numbers will be sold sold sold to every tom dick and harry.
(i expect similar at Celtic, Man City and Real Madrid who have also recently announced the development – no such thing as a free lunch you know!)
andy graham says:
July 4, 2013 at 11:17 am
A GROUND-BREAKING partnership between Rangers Football Club and Huawei, a leading global information and communications technology (ICT) solutions provider, is set to bring fans into a whole new era of in-depth, WiFi-based engagement with the club.
In a seven-figure investment, the club is working with Huawei to provide one of football’s first fully converged stadium-wide WiFi deployments.
>>>>>> none of this is adding up, why spend money if u are looking to get out with as much money as possible
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I’d put this down as a reaction to a club based in Glasgows East End having installed stadium Wi-fi for this season.
“Anything you can do,etc”
I would like to belatedly congratulate QoS on an astounding performance in the Third tier of Scottish football last year. That was almost a cake walk for a team with very limited resources, very, very impressive, was it a record of any sort?. Goals galore, 6 penalties in all competitions I suppose sounds a little high, but then again they are an attack minded team, with lots of possession in the oppositions penalty area. So 6 penalties sounds about right. Looking forward to watching them this year, amongst better quality opposition. Do grade one officials work the second tier from time to time? I know they do SPL and last year they also done fourth tier matches, what’s the script this year?
rantinrobin says:
July 4, 2013 at 10:20 am
The problem I fear is that fans on places like follow follow actually lap stuff like that up.
In fact if anything they are unhappy if they don’t get their regular dose.
Yes, the Ibrox wi-fi deal is a big money spinner – well, at least viewing it certainly is!
@RFC_Official: To see behind the scenes of our amazing new technology for just 99p – click here.
Looks like Goian had a new club lined up and the pay off he received will make up for the drop in wages at his new club…..funny old world eh?
DORIN GOIAN is set to sign for Greek Super League side Asteras Tripolis.
The Romanian defender was released this week from the Ibrox side after he was paid over £420,000 in a wage settlement for the remainder of his year’s contract.
And he has wasted no time in finding a new club, with the Greek side willing to pay Goian £6,000-a-week.
Romanian side Astra Giurgiu are also keen on the 32-year-old, who spent last season on loan in Italy with Spezia, but the former Palermo stopper would prefer to go abroad again.
Goian is currently back home on holiday, but is ready to travel to Greece to complete a deal.
He said: “Right now I am taking some time off with my family. I have various offers which I will decide about, but I would rather go and play in another country because I don’t feel I am ready to return to Romanian football just yet.”
Clubs in England, Turkey and Switzerland have shown interest in Goian, too, but ambitious Asteras – who finished fourth in Greece’s top flight last season – want Goian to mount a title challenge this term.
His fellow freed Rangers defender Carlos Bocanegra also found a new club this week when he returned home to the MLS to sign for Chivas USA.
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A GROUND-BREAKING partnership between Rangers Football Club and Huawei, a leading global information and communications technology (ICT) solutions provider, is set to bring fans into a whole new era of in-depth, WiFi-based engagement with the club.
In a seven-figure investment, the club is working with Huawei to provide one of football’s first fully converged stadium-wide WiFi deployments.
>>>>>> none of this is adding up, why spend money if u are looking to get out with as much money as possible
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The money the Spivs will make are on their penny shares. They’ve got to maintain the illusion that everything is ok until they are able to dump the shares. New players salaries and ground breaking news stories are a means to an end for the Spivs.
Appreciate all that and I’m sure that the ISP will have an ad to watch before you get to the 2nd ad etc etc but it just seems so pointless
I can’t see someone buying an ST on this press release, so all seems a little worthless
Torrejohnbhoy
The first Celtic v The Rangers game of the new wifi stadium era will be marked by silence, punctuated by the sound of key depressions (where sound is enabled) as one end Tweet “Up to our knees” to the other who are too busy tweeting “Ya dirty O##### B####” to the foe malign to even notice.
The Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill will either have to be amended and FOCUS equipped with eavesdropping equipment or the bill dropped because it can no longer be policed.
After the game both sets of supporters will meet up with their mates who support the other side and have “who slagged the other lot best” arguments. It could even make the phone ins.
Unforeseen consequences etc
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andy graham says:
July 4, 2013 at 11:17 am
A GROUND-BREAKING partnership between Rangers Football Club and Huawei, a leading global information and communications technology (ICT) solutions provider, is set to bring fans into a whole new era of in-depth, WiFi-based engagement with the club.
In a seven-figure investment, the club is working with Huawei to provide one of football’s first fully converged stadium-wide WiFi deployments.
>>>>>> none of this is adding up, why spend money if u are looking to get out with as much money as possible
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Andy…
Always take a step back…and pause…then ask yourself the following 2 questions..
1. Who wrote this?
2. Who provided this story to them?
With SEVCO you will find that stories of this calibre are created for a purpose? To either create an illusion of a big club and or to keep them relevant and on the back pages..
Don’t forget the Dallas Cowboys…the ‘Man Utd want us in the EPL’…the 500 million world wide fan base?
Celtic have just announced their stadium WI FI set up….whilst the SEVCONIANS unveiled a big bus!
Now you can start to see why this story suddenly appears….most Companies I know would provide an actual figure of investment…not a throw away line such as…’a seven figure sum’….after all PLC investments can have an impact on stock market values..
Castofthousands says:
July 4, 2013 at 11:11 am
The details are not being pursued by the main stream media never mind the implications. Its one thing to manufacture a set of circumstances to strip debt from an organisation but quite another to think you can get away with it without anyone commenting.
I’m not the biggest of football fans but I like a bit of justice. I don’t necessarily believe it will be forthcoming but I know it certainly won’t if not pursued. It is regrettable that so much time and effort needs to be expended in uncovering the truth behind the Rangers saga.
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I think it’s impossible to overestimate the importance of the Withey-McKenzie email. OK we have always known there was something rotten in the state of Scottish Football but here is the proof.
Perhaps the ‘Bryson’ rule definition to LNS was the tip of the visible iceberg but we now know just where its origins lay and it answers so much about the virtually non-existant SPL case presented to the tribunal.
And still the silence continues from the SMSM. More and more I have come to believe that their only hope of survival is to join the conspiracy of silence and secrecy operating at the SFA and SPL.
When I read these ‘weasel’ words: ‘setting out the process that is being proposed to achieve the discussed end’ then I know CF has hit the target. The ‘process’ and the ‘end’ are obviously so serious that it is impossible to put them into print even between two lawyers.
I would say that if any club was running into financial problems then it would be expected and, in fact, probably advisable to run some possible scenarios up the flagpole with the League body and perhaps the SFA . But this wasn’t a range of options in the event of possible different end results. To me this was one plan to achieve one end and I can think of no other ‘end’ than remaining within the SPL.
I seem to have a vague recollection that Traynor claimed that he and I think Jackson told the SFA or SPL in August 2011 that Rangers was using Hector’s money to survive but I can’t find the story but it was printed. No doubt Traynor will claim in his next telethon that he made a mistake and regale us with all the details of his Mata Hari undercover role to unseat CW.
A seven figure sum? a clue that this story was a short notice throw together.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
July 4, 2013 at 11:41 am
Basically Rangers are subsidising the wage bills of a top flight Greek side and a team in the MLS. Making friends around the World.
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July 4, 2013 at 11:41 am
Basically Rangers are subsidising the wage bills of a top flight Greek side and a team in the MLS. Making friends around the World.
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not to mention Boca’s new club in the US
I expect they’ll be doing the same if Black, Wallace, Templeton, Shiels etc all find new clubs…….in a way i find it a sort of poetic/karmic justice.
It looks as if Craig Whyte would have relished the installation of this Huawei equipment at Ibrox during his reign there. It would have given Charlotte Fakes an endless archive of fun.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/06/chinese-equipment-uk-phone-networks-huawei
paulmac2 says:
July 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm
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Unless you include the pennies the lowest “7 figure sum” is £1,000,000.
They are spending at least £1m on putting wi-fi into Ibrox, whilst trying to get rid of staff, both playing and non-playing.
Shiels and Black can go for nothing if someone will pay their wages, but they are spending that amount of money on wi fi.
My, arris.
A seven-figure sum ? £99999.99 maximum ? ….well if you don’t count the decimal point……
ecobhoy says:
July 4, 2013 at 12:01 pm
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When I read these ‘weasel’ words: ‘setting out the process that is being proposed to achieve the discussed end’ then I know CF has hit the target. The ‘process’ and the ‘end’ are obviously so serious that it is impossible to put them into print even between two lawyers.
I would say that if any club was running into financial problems then it would be expected and, in fact, probably advisable to run some possible scenarios up the flagpole with the League body and perhaps the SFA . But this wasn’t a range of options in the event of possible different end results. To me this was one plan to achieve one end and I can think of no other ‘end’ than remaining within the SPL.
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Two excellent points.
I would say that Withey was tasked by Whyte to get a reaction from the SPL via McKenzie to the newco scenario knowing that a CVA was never an option because HMRC would always oppose it as it would be seen by them as dumping the, at that time, undecided Big Tax Case liabilities.
I suspect the SPL would have insisted RFC limp on until as close to the end of the season as possible as not completing their fixtures would have been a complete disaster and would have seriously impacted on the sporting integrity of the SPL.
Gaz says:
July 4, 2013 at 12:42 pm
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Not sure that’s how I read it. Old habits die hard they are still using OPM.
what about
TRFC new deal wi “WhoAreWe” (aka another spivco) for a mill
paid up front of course
“WhoAreWe” disappear go bust whatever = missing mill
somebody just got richer
we just don’t know who ???
Get the money out !!!!!
I’ve got a Huawei phone.
If the Ibrox Wi-Fi is as good as on my phone then best of luck,bears.
P.S. it’s being installed on a stand by stand basis,they say,starting in August.Might be a while before it’s stadium wide,if ever.
Drew Peacock says:
July 4, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Indeed.
However it doesn’t appear to be being reported that way. Maybe it should say Hauwei to install their equipment in Ibrox.
One wonders what they get out of it, other than the prestige.
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July 4, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Indeed.
However it doesn’t appear to be being reported that way. Maybe it should say Hauwei to install their equipment in Ibrox.
One wonders what they get out of it, other than the prestige.
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After the “Dallas cowboys,Apple” etc lies,one wonders if they even know about it!.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
July 4, 2013 at 1:18 pm
LOL fair point.
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
July 4, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Hauwei are a global leader in telecoms, there is absolutely no prestige for them to have some of their kit fitted at Ibrox. It is a bit like me boasting a new deal with Samsung, I’ve just bought a bigger TV for my livingroom. I am a big fan of Samsung TVs, but I’m too small for them to really care about and I know it. Hauwei don’t know or care who Rangers are.
WiFi and a new bus pushed to the fore to cover redundancies and financial concerns. Is this just to sell season tickets, or is there more to it?
beatipacificiscotia says:
July 4, 2013 at 1:58 pm
According to an IT guru on the Celtic messageboards, Cisco (installed by Celtic) is the market leader in this field and the recommended brand for the professionals. He reckons the TRFC system will be from the Chinese manufacturer’s stock that the Americans rejected. However, if you can safely get from A to B in a Lada then why buy a Rolls Royce? Time will tell which club has got the better deal.
The latest CF email has me slightly puzzled. I can only assume that Bryan Jackson mentioned in the email dated 16 May 2011 is the BDO Bryan Jackson.
I never remember previously seeing his name associated with Rangers and yet here it is after CW bought the club on 6 May 2011. The context of the email suggests that administration was in the air at that stage. If McIntyre is to be believed then Jackson is painting a rosier picture for Rangers wrt ‘wrongful trading’ because they had won the League and CW had arrived. Interestingly he isn’t named in the email but only referred to as a ‘new investor’.
Even more interesting is that McIntyre states he raised the raiding of money from a ring-fenced account – which I assume to be holding the Ticketus money – with Jackson and his response allegedly was ‘not to panic’ as ‘any administrator would honour the season tickets’.
This is another mind blowing email from CF and I have to ask myself is there anyone in this saga who is free from previous connections. As I say I don’t previously remember Jackson being named as advising Rangers and if he did it would appear his advice was pretty wide of the mark as it turned out.
But administration being discussed in May 2011 with the Rangers Board worried about money being taken from a ring-fenced account to pay for day-to-day running costs, apparent lack of fresh funding and immediate cash flow concerns.
And all this happening 10 days after CW bought the club.
http://i.imgur.com/nZRC7MG.jpg
I should have pointed out that Donald McIntyre’s email to Bryan Jackson was copied to Robert Barclay who is also with BDO in their Edinburgh office.
Thanks Auldheid & beatipacific. So the shares can’t just be ‘cashed in’ against any available cash in the RIFC piggy bank. In other words, in these situations there’s usually no form of guarantee that stipulates that shares can be ‘redeemed’ as cash, at a certain price or percentage of current or original value?
I’ve no idea how this kind if thing works, so I’m just trying to figure out how the investors, and particularly those who rewarded themselves handsomely with shares, plan to convert them into cash. After all, who is ever going pay an inflated price for shares in a loss-makng enterprise? Only dedicated fans do this kind of thing, surely? I suppose some big creditors who were burned by the previous club could be looking to claw back cash via the newco cash cow. And it’s not beyond the realm of possibilty that the TicketUs theory is, in fact, true and/or that a previous owner might have an interest, by proxy, in gettng his old club back again – cleansed of debt?
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Celtic Paranoia says:
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In your posts above on MSM ‘Old Firm’ bias you perhaps omitted the most despicable example.
The Daily Record headlines on bill-boards across the country read, “Old Firm player player accused of rape” We soon learned that this serious matter had absolutely nothing to do with Celtic or any of its employees. The individual in question was a goalkeeper for Rangers, yet the DR editor, knowing exactly who it was and what club he played for, chose involve an innocent party – who just happened to be Celtic F.C. The incident could have resulted in a criminal prosecution with lives and reputations destroyed, yet the DR could not resist the opportunity to make such a cheap and deplorable attack.
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It might be the case that this was a sign of ‘bias’ but I think it unlikely although the actual motive is no less cynical.
At its simplest the billboards are handled by the circulation department who get copied-in on the daily story schedules for each editorial section with news and sport being normally the most important ones in terms of potential impulse sales. The journo who writes the story has nothing to do with the billboard heading and some of the circulation guys can create far better tabloid headlines than the editorial subs produce for the actual newspaper.
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You give the Scottish press far too much credit. This was not a simple case of a sensationalised billboard
The story was a front page splash in the News of the World (good riddance). Knowing full well the identity of the Rangers player concerned the rag plastered Celtic Park and the Celtic crest all over the front page.
I don’t recall incidents concerning Darren O’Dea, Scott Brown and Artur Boruc being reported as being involving “Old Firm stars”. The Scottish press seemed pretty adamant about the specific club these guys played for. This headline was completely consistent with the editorial line of all Scottish newspapers to ingratiate and appease RFC fans and RFC fans only.
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Tommy says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:11 pm
A prominent employer from you past life uses Cisco.
Huawei (sp) as you say are effectively banned by the US Government and I think have problems in other countries, for example Australia. Due it seems (from the article you linked to) to links to the the Government in China and security concerns.
Question. Which board was Donald McIntyre on if it wasn’t the “current” one?
Question. the email seems to infer that Bryan Jackson was acting either for “new investor” or some other party, not the board that you would have thought would have requested his advice in the first place?
Oh, and btw guys we’re skint…Luv Donald.
ps. if we’re skint why is our new sugar Daddy not pouring in his money like the old one?
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July 3, 2013 at 10:06 pm
“…my point still stands about the lack of comment on things that do not concern Rangers.”
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Fill your boots Adam. The keyboard is your oyster.
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Adam is only interested in crying persecution. It’s just a more subtle version of stop talking about this please Oh Look a squirrell !
Celtic Paranoia says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:37 pm
You give the Scottish press far too much credit. This was not a simple case of a sensationalised billboard
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I give the Scottish Press no credit as anyone who reads my posts will know – 99% of them are useless and a total disgrace to journalism.
I explained in my post the relationship between billboards and newspaper sales and I have no personal knowledge of the Daily Record story mentioned by the original poster so anything is possible as I also indicated in my story. However, without actual knowledge of what happened it remains supposition. If you wish to insist that your supposition is fact then that is up to you.
I pointed out the industry practice and, based on that, advanced what I think is a reasonable alternative explanation to that of the original poster. I don’t know which is the correct one or indeed whether there is another equally valid interpretation that I haven’t thought about.
In a sense you have confused matters because you state it was a News of the World story whereas the original poster stated it was a Daily Record one. It helps to establish basic facts before embracing something as the only possible explanation.
If your description of the TNoW presentation is accurate then a complaint should have been made to the Press Council and that was open to any fan or Celtic to do so and I have little doubt that, if your are correct, the Press Council would have ordered a retraction and apology from the paper.
Any good or service is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it on the open market (assuming the market isn’t being manipulated of course). Thus if I put shares I own on the market they will stay on sale until someone is willing to pay that price. I f they don’t sell then I must cut the price, until someone does buy. If lots of other people are trying to sell the same commodity at the same time, then the potential purchase price will fall further and faster.
Eventually the share price will reach “a floor”. That’s the point where someone is prepared to buy the shares that are for sale. It may well be that buying price is one which would allow the purchaser to buy enough shares to assume a controlling interest and at that point get his hands on the assets of the business such as land, buildings, machinery, stock or even cash-in-bank.
Now if a certain group of people were given, or allowed to buy shares nominally valued at £1, at a very preferential rate, say 1p, they obviously wouldn’t be too worried if the market price of the shares fell considerably below the initial issue price. Even at 10p a share they will be making a whopping great profit. Unfortunately those who bought at £1 are left looking pretty stupid.
Interestingly I heard on the radio this morning that the administrators of Scottish Coal are looking to split the toxic assets of the stricken company (dirty big holes in the ground) from the going concerns. I’m annoyed as anyone that the taxpayer is being left to pick up the cost of the failure of yet another badly run private business but I couldn’t help thinking why the same strategy wasn’t adopted by Duff and Phelps last year when old Rangers went into liquidation – split the toxic team and asbestos riddled stadium from the training ground with development potential. It seems that administrators are about as consistent as referees.
Interesting also that there is a distinction between the ring fenced monies (not necessarily ticketus) “fresh” money (which would tie in with the ring fenced monies actually being ticketus) and the response to queries on this that went directly to “administrators” and “season tickets”
Interesting indeed.
Smugas says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Question. Which board was Donald McIntyre on if it wasn’t the “current” one?
Question. the email seems to infer that Bryan Jackson was acting either for “new investor” or some other party, not the board that you would have thought would have requested his advice in the first place?
Oh, and btw guys we’re skint…Luv Donald.
ps. if we’re skint why is our new sugar Daddy not pouring in his money like the old one?
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Donald McIntyre resigns as Rangers finance director
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15239380
Smugas says:
July 4, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Interesting also that there is a distinction between the ring fenced monies (not necessarily ticketus) “fresh” money (which would tie in with the ring fenced monies actually being ticketus) and the response to queries on this that went directly to “administrators” and “season tickets”
Interesting indeed.
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I wondered whether the ‘ring-fenced’ money was actually the money from Murray’s Ticketus deal rather than than anything involving CW and it’s the short time scale from when CW took over in May 2011 that makes me think that is the more likely option.
Eco,
I thought the same funnily enough, but then why would Murray’s ticketus monies be ring fenced, especially with a takeover deal kicking around – or is that perhaps precisely why they would be ring fenced, especialy if murray had guaranteed them in the same way CW did?
FWIW (given recent happenings) I agree with you on the rape story btw.
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The latest CF email has me slightly puzzled. I can only assume that Bryan Jackson mentioned in the email dated 16 May 2011 is the BDO Bryan Jackson.
I never remember previously seeing his name associated with Rangers and yet here it is after CW bought the club on 6 May 2011. The context of the email suggests that administration was in the air at that stage. If McIntyre is to be believed then Jackson is painting a rosier picture for Rangers wrt ‘wrongful trading’ because they had won the League and CW had arrived. Interestingly he isn’t named in the email but only referred to as a ‘new investor’.
Even more interesting is that McIntyre states he raised the raiding of money from a ring-fenced account – which I assume to be holding the Ticketus money – with Jackson and his response allegedly was ‘not to panic’ as ‘any administrator would honour the season tickets’.
This is another mind blowing email from CF and I have to ask myself is there anyone in this saga who is free from previous connections. As I say I don’t previously remember Jackson being named as advising Rangers and if he did it would appear his advice was pretty wide of the mark as it turned out.
But administration being discussed in May 2011 with the Rangers Board worried about money being taken from a ring-fenced account to pay for day-to-day running costs, apparent lack of fresh funding and immediate cash flow concerns.
And all this happening 10 days after CW bought the club.
http://i.imgur.com/nZRC7MG.jpg
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I’d hazard a guess and say that the new “investor” is Wavetower.
ecobhoy says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:22 pm
“The latest CF email has me slightly puzzled. I can only assume that Bryan Jackson mentioned in the email dated 16 May 2011 is the BDO Bryan Jackson.”
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Charlotte mentioned Bryan Jackson previously :
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 22 Jun
@GrahamSpiers @bbckennymac Serious Q-Ask Bryan Jackson if Vlad made a quick phone call to him, would he amend a 7 year old invoice? #Liberty
I know one of the Jambo’s was talking in admirable terms concerning Jackson/BDO supervision of their current administration but Charlotte is sceptical. The tweet suggests BJ is open to negotiation.
The tone is interesting as you point out, but I suspect Donald McIntyre is just using formal language rather than excluding CW since this was sent to CW I understand (as all of Charlotte’s documents have been). The timing is interesting and suggests that a ‘going concern’ was never a possibility since this is just after the CW takeover as you point out.
I assume the ‘administrator will honour the season tickets’ comment means that fans won’t get stiffed. This would be a consideration if fan loyalty needed retention following the car crash.
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Celtic Paranoia says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:37 pm
In a sense you have confused matters because you state it was a News of the World story whereas the original poster stated it was a Daily Record one. It helps to establish basic facts before embracing something as the only possible explanation.
If your description of the TNoW presentation is accurate then a complaint should have been made to the Press Council and that was open to any fan or Celtic to do so and I have little doubt that, if your are correct, the Press Council would have ordered a retraction and apology from the paper.
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I provided a link in my post to the page concerned. It was the News of the World. The story was about 2 or 3 years old so I think we can cut the original poster some slack given the track record of the DR and other grubby tabloids in coming up with lurid Celtic related headlines and stories many of which I have alluded to in previous posts. So perhaps you yourself could be a bit more scrupulous before responding.
I present my opinion which I believe to be accurate. As stated there are many stories relating to indiscretions of Celtic players, some extremely minor to the point of being hardly remarkable e.g. A group in which Scott Brown happened to be company being asked to quieten down on a train, to other far more serious allegations (Thugs and thieves, assaults etc). Never have I saw these individuals being described as anything other than “Celtic” stars/players etc. It would take me a long time to post the evidence but I think anyone familiar with reporting of Celtic in the Scottish press would agree.
You are giving the press credit because you were acting as an apologist for their bias, explaining it away disngenuosly as cynical marketing. There is certainly cynical marketing but the prime market has a distinctly blue hue with no green trim.
Of course that is all just my opinion and you obviously believe your opinion to be correct but I am comfortable that there is a mountain of evidence out there to support my position
ecobhoy says:
Eco I keep meaning to ask you, how eco friendly are you?
Celtic Paranoia says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:37 pm
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I have checked the link you gave and now more fully understand why the story was presented as it was and it confirms to me, my original view, it was probably to sell more papers – if you remember I described this in my initial post as just as cynical a reason as the one given by the original poster.
The link shows the story states that three footballers were in the frame and couldn’t be named for legal reasons. Rightly or wrongly that gives the paper a tissue-thin excuse, assuming the paper was informed that the three men were Old Firm players, to run the story as they did and use pics of both home grounds and club crests.
I’m not asking anyone to agree with what the paper did and I have described it as cynical but on reflection it probably wouldn’t have attracted any sanction from the Press Complaints Commission. The only way I could see that being applied is if the complainer could prove that the paper actually knew the identities of the three footballers and that none of the were Celtic players.
In a sense the other Celtic players that you mention were identified and that would be the proper thing to do unless there was any legal impediment. But you may well have a case for bias if you can show that this didn’t happen with Rangers players but evidence would need to be gathered and presented to prove that accusation. But for anyone who deems this a good use of their time then I would encourage them to act and to bring complaints of bias and there are various forums these complaints could be presented to.
Of course the story raises the important point of motive which is very topical in relation to the CF material. A case I know of which illustrates this point is a famous footballer done for drunk driving. Apparently he had been staked-out by two Celtic supporting cops for an extended period of time one evening and was duly caught and charged.
The Press knew nothing about it until a Rangers supporting cop in the same station blew the whistle to a newspaper contact because he was furious at what he saw as discrimination against Rangers by Celtic supporting cops. The story he expected to run was one targeting the two cops for abusing their position to discriminate against the player.
But the story that actually ran was based solely on the exclusive story he had given the paper about the famous footballer – it was a better story and didn’t need anything to stand it up other than one phone call and it was on the streets while the player was still in the cells.
The Bluenose cop was extremely miffed – but there you go – papers can be strange animals just like football fans on occasion.
Smugas says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm
“Question. the email seems to infer that Bryan Jackson was acting either for “new investor” or some other party, not the board that you would have thought would have requested his advice in the first place?”
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Thats an interesting interpretation smugas but not one I make upon reading, but interesting nevertheless.
The possible complicity of Rangers Administrators, D&P has already been inferred at length.
Charlotte now seems to be suggesting that BDO may have had a prior knowledge of the car crash.
Your interpretation that the tone suggests BJ is acting for another party fits the emerging picture of a cleansed organisation being placed back in the hands of ‘Rangers men’. I’m not sure what BDO’s role in this would be.
Exhonerating (S)DM?
Fending off phoenix claims?
Retrieving the Rangers 1872 trademark for future use?
briggsbhoy says:
July 4, 2013 at 3:38 pm
ecobhoy says:
Eco I keep meaning to ask you, how eco friendly are you?
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A big question with any answer from me probably being highly subjective. But then the question pre-supposes, I assume perhaps wrongly, that ‘eco’ is from ecology and that might not be the actual case but merely your subjective impression 🙂
I wonder if the loyal bluenoses have checked for Celtic directors on the Huawei advisory board before parting with their Queen’s pounds for a shot on the Queen’s super-highway.
I think they should be told.
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I take what you say about honouring the season tickets bought by fans as a strong possibility. I had been thinking more on the lines that it was the Ticketus agreement that was going to be ‘honoured’ by any administrator.
It’s tantalising at the end of the email to see ‘Brian’ and the info presumably provided or attached there could be well worth seeing.
Castofthousands says:
July 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Is it maybe simply CW looking around for a compliant administrator. Draw up a list of potentials, quietly ask them what they think of a hypothetical situation, then suggest that this is what they would like to see. Cross off the list the ones that don’t give you the “right” answers.
Celtic Paranoia says:
July 4, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Well yesterday I was an undercover Rangers fan and today I’m an apologist for Press bias. Deary Deary Me.
ecobhoy says:
July 4, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Exactly !
Eco a prefix mostly relating to ecological or environmental terms
ecobhoy says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:22 pm
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It was mentioned on RTC a couple of times that the RFC directors at some point considered whether they were in danger of wrongful trading and took advice from Bryan Jackson. May have been Phil McGiollabhain raised it, I can’t recall.
No one seemed interested at the time.
No truth in the rumour that CF sold them the Wi-Fi at Ibrox 🙂
ecobhoy says:
July 4, 2013 at 3:10 pm
“I wondered whether the ‘ring-fenced’ money was actually the money from Murray’s Ticketus deal rather than than anything involving CW”
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Charlotte previously published a correspondence string where Octopus/Ticketus were a bit concerned about the monies due (Ticketus were looking for £9M but Rangers only had £6M). My recollection was that the Ticketus money was held separately, probably intended for ST receipts. Rangers shortfall in repayments was highlighted in this correspondence since the account was not intended for working capital.
I had a quick scan but can’t locate the document. Can anyone else assist?
Cast of thousands
On second reading (I really should take EB’s advice more) I’ll concede that DMc is acting/writing on behalf of the board (that he was about to be suspended from) so that in his planned future meeting with BJ he could help him (BJ) fully understand the current board’s position.
If that is correct then, IMO, the entire board is complicit in knowing precisely what was happening, how it was being carried out (financed) and what the eventual end game was. That’s not an interpretation I think the board would like – in fact it would almost prompt them to do something, like suspend the guy perhaps?
Celtic Paranoia says:
July 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Adam is only interested in crying persecution. It’s just a more subtle version of stop talking about this please Oh Look a squirrell !
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I really don’t know how you reached that conclusion about me because of my recent posts. The Rangers story is obviously an important discussion. It’s the superfluous nonsense surrounding them (wi-fi today, the bus a few days ago) that gets more comment than, for example, the appointment today of Neil Doncaster to chief executive of the SPFL. If you stray off commenting about Rangers you get the kind of response that you’ve just given me. It gets a wee bit personal, does nothing to encourage wider debate and keeps this a one issue site.