The SPFL— the case for revolution, evolution and a case of the Hamilton Whackies !

Good Evening.

As we ponder the historic vote to create a new Governing body to oversee Scottish League football, I cannot help but wonder what brilliant minds will be employed in the drawing up of its constitution, rules, memorandum and articles of association?

Clearly, Messrs Doncaster, Longmuir and even Mr Regan as the CEO of the SFA will be spending many hours with those dreaded folk known simply as “ The Lawyers” in an attempt to get the whole thing up and running and written down in the course of a few short weeks.

In truth, that scares me.

It scares me because legal documentation written up in a hurry or in a rush is seldom perfect and often needs amendment—especially when the errors start to show! The old adage of beware of the busy fool sadly applies.

It also scares me because the existing rules under which the game is governed are not, in my humble opinion, particularly well written and seem to differ in certain material respects from those of UEFA. Even then, adopting the wording and the approach of other bodies is not necessarily the way to go.

I am all in favour of some original thought– and that most precious and unusual of commodities known as common sense and plain English.

Further, the various licensing and compliance rules are clearly in need of an overhaul as they have of late produced what can only be best described as a lack of clarity when studied for the purposes of interpretation. Either that or those doing the studying and interpreting are afflicted with what might be described as tortuous or even tortured legal and administrative minds.

If it is not by now clear that the notion of self-certification on financial and other essential disclosure criteria necessary to obtain a footballing licence (whether European or domestic) is a total non-starter — then those in charge of the game are truly bonkers.

Whilst no governing body can wholly control the actions of a member club, or those who run a club, surely provisions can be inserted into any constitution or set of rules that allows and brings about greater vigilance and scrutiny than we have at present—all of course designed to do nothing other than alert the authorities as early as possible if matters are not being conducted properly or fairly.

However, the main change that would make a difference to most of the folk involved in the Scottish game – namely the fans— would be to have the new rules incorporate a measure which allowed football fans themselves to be represented on any executive or committee.

Clearly, this would be a somewhat revolutionary step and would be fought against tooth and nail by some for no reason other than that it has simply not been done before—especially as the league body is there to regulate the affairs of a number of limited companies all of whom have shareholders to account to and the clubs themselves would presumably be the shareholders in the new SPFL Ltd.

Then again to my knowledge Neil Doncaster is not a shareholder in The SPL ltd– is he?

I can hear the argument that a fan representative on a league body might not be impartial, might be unprofessional, might be biased, might lack knowledge or experience, and have their own agenda and so on—just like many chairmen and chief executive officers who already sit on the committees of the existing league bodies.

Remember too that the SFA until relatively recently had disciplinary committees made up almost exclusively of referees. I don’t think anyone would argue that the widening of the make up of that committee has been a backward step.

However, we already have fan representation at clubs like St Mirren and Motherwell, and of course there has been an established Tartan Army body for some time now. Clubs other than the two mentioned above have mechanisms whereby they communicate and consult with fans, although they stop short of full fan participation– very often for supposedly insurmountable legal reasons.

As often as not, the fans want a say in the running of their club, but also want to be able to make representations to the governing bodies via their club.

So why not include the fans directly in the new set up for governing the league?

Any fan representative could  be someone proposed by a properly registered fan body such as through official supporters clubs, or could be seconded by the clubs acting in concert with their supporters clubs.

Perhaps a committee of fan representatives could be created, with such a committee having a representative on the various committees of the new league body.

In this way, there would be a fan who could report back to the fan committee and who could represent the interests of the ordinary fan in the street in any of the committees. Equally such a committee of fans could ensure that any behind the scenes discussions on any issue were properly reported, openly discussed, and made public with no fear of hidden agendas, secret meetings, and secret collusive agreements and so forth.

Is any of that unreasonable? Surely many companies consider the views of their biggest customer? This idea is no different.

Surely such a situation would go some way towards establishing some badly needed trust between the governing bodies and the fans themselves?

If necessary, I would not even object to the fan representatives being excluded from having a right to vote on certain matters—as long as they had a full right of audience and a full right of access to all discussions and relative papers which affect the running of the game.

In this way at least there would be openness and transparency.

In short, it would be a move towards what is quaintly referred to as Democracy.

Perhaps, those who run the game at present should consider the life and times of the late great Alexander Hamilton- one of the founding fathers of the United States of America and who played a significant role in helping write the constitution of that country.

Hamilton was a decent and brilliant man in many ways—but he was dead set against Democracy and the liberation of rights for the masses. In fact, he stated that the best that can be hoped for the mass populace is that they be properly armed with a gun and so able to protect themselves against injustice!

Sadly, Hamilton became embroiled in a bitter dispute with the then Vice President of the nation Aaron Burr in July 1804. Hamilton had used his influence and ensured that Burr lost the election to become Governor of New York and had made some withering attacks on the Vice President’s character.

When he refused to apologise, the Vice President took a whacky notion and challenged him to a duel! Even more whacky is the fact that Hamilton accepted the challenge and so the contest took place at Weehawken New Jersey on the morning of 11th July 1804.

The night before, Hamilton wrote a letter which heavily suggested that he would contrive to miss Burr with his shot, and indeed when the pistols fired Hamilton’s bullet struck a branch immediately above Burr’s head.

However, he did not follow the proper procedure for duelling which required a warning from the duellist that they are going to throw their shot away. Hamilton gave no such indication despite the terms of his letter and despite his shot clearly missing his opponent.

Burr however fired and hit Hamilton in the lower abdomen with the result that the former secretary to the treasury and founding father of the constitution died at 2pm on the twelfth of July.

The incident ruined Burr’s career (whilst duelling was still technically legal in New jersey, it had already been outlawed in various other states).

In any event, in Hamilton’s time full and open democracy in the United States of America would have met with many cries of outrage and bitter opposition. Yet, today, the descendants of slaves and everyone from all social standings, all ethnic minorities and every social background has the constitutional right to vote and seek entry to corridors of power.

In that light, is it really asking too much to allow football fans to have a say and a presence in the running of a game they pay so much to support?

 

4,181 thoughts on “The SPFL— the case for revolution, evolution and a case of the Hamilton Whackies !


  1. john clarke says:
    June 14, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    John, its not really Celtic that have some explaining to do, but rather, in this context Messers lawell and Riley, and the other directors at both the SFA and the SPL, and I couldn’t give a flying for what club affiliation they may have.


  2. bogsdollox says:
    June 14, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Let’s hope CF can show how far Jack has overstepped the mark. If there is any more sectarian stuff and suggestions of feeding stories to the press that may impact on public order I’m minded to complain to the Polis.

    ——————————

    I’m sure Police Scotland will find a jurisdiction problem or just file that compliant in the bin!


  3. Sam says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    If CtH is real
    WoW o WoW
    [Roosevelt] Bar L

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    For those of us without the legal knowledge to determine what is legal and what isn’t, can you put it in simple terms, please?


  4. john clarke says:
    June 14, 2013 at 4:45 pm
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    “…What, I ask, would you want to hear or see? Banner headlines, soundbites such as “Lawwell accuses SFA chiefs of duplicity/conspiracy.!”
    Or maybe ” R C Ogilvie branded a liar by Celtic”? ” or again
    “Corrupt SFA bends rules to get Rangers into top division”
    from the lips of an inebriated Peter Lawwell standing on the steps at Celtic Park?…”
    ————

    John, in the idiom of Kevin Keegan my reply to the above is: “I would luv it!”

    But probably very, very unwise to even contemplate.


  5. Nice wee puzzle in the Roosevelt document in the form of a not completed redacted piece of text.

    I’ll start with the easy bit. It almost certainly ends in ‘LLP’.


  6. Danish Pastry says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Very unwise indeed, since Mr Ogilvy is quite liable to reply “The board members of the SFA were fully informed, and fully involved at every step of the process”


  7. ForresDee says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Sam says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    If CtH is real
    WoW o WoW
    [Roosevelt] Bar L

    ———————–

    For those of us without the legal knowledge to determine what is legal and what isn’t, can you put it in simple terms, please?
    ———————————————————————————————————

    Without expressing in any way a view on the very newly published CtH information;
    It seems to appear the RFC admin/liquidation/potential buy back matter was pre planned.
    Almost not like a takeover but a Fakeover.

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  8. Sam says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Thanks Sam, couldn’t quite find anything we didn’t know, getting fatigued by it all so much that even the fakeover angle doesn’t come as a surprise or even shock anymore.

    Maybe that’s the survival plan, just keep ignoring it until everyone is bored and does other stuff, but surely at some point, someone, somewhere will say enough is enough?


  9. Sam says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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    If CtH is real
    WoW o WoW
    [Roosevelt] Bar L
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    Document removed already?


  10. If Celtic are stuck in the Scottish set up ,which is more or less a given then they are obliged to exploit every revenue source from that market and like it or not sevco will be part of that plan .It’s not personal it’s just business .
    The suits and money men have no interest in the moral side of the argument ,cash is king .The funny thing is though that ,US the fans who put our money in and only want to see a fair game of football are always relied on by the same money men to ensure THEY get a return on their cash and they should never forget this .
    The way things are going they are in serious danger of alienating the very people they rely on to keep financing the clubs with no payback other than seeing a fair game of football every other week .
    If the suits make it too obvious that the sporting element of the business is immaterial then they will be facing a lot of trouble in the not too distant future .
    The need of all the suits and MSM to pretend Sevco are the same club tells us all we need to know how important the actual fans are .


  11. sumproduct says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    @ Sam
    Post at 4:38 pm

    Lest we forget the stellar work Media House done in cleaning up the name of another company many will be familiar with on here – Pritchard Stockbrokers after it was linked to convicted fraudster Michael Brown’s money movements to the British Virgin Islands.

    http://www.business7.co.uk/business-news/scottish-business-news/2012/05/18/no-headline-106408-23863762/
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    To sumproduct;
    Completely correct, lest we forget yet another fraudster


  12. iamacant says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:42 pm
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    Sam says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    Rate This
    If CtH is real
    WoW o WoW
    [Roosevelt] Bar L
    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Document removed already?
    ———–

    No, it’s still there.


  13. I’m afraid that CF is either running out of interesting material or where it might be of interest is redacting the bits that would be of interest. Or perhaps negotiations are going well at the moment so CF is taking her feet off the pedal.

    The latest document that has been put up by CF is exactly the kind of exercise that an owner should be doing to determine which options are available to the company. This isn’t a morality issue but examining what can legally be achieved.

    It may be the redacted bits are dynamite or they might mean nothing – it all depends on the missing names.


  14. Hold cool calm and collected Guys – suspect multiple games afoot & with v curious timings

    Circumspect Brass Tacks:-
    Accounts due – they need to properly explain to their support;
    And, serious matters of the responsible authorities not understanding the nature of duty and public service.


  15. @echobhoy 6.22pm

    the redacted bits can easily be unredacted by copying and pasting into a word doc 🙂

    thanks for the hint Kilgore Trout


  16. garrymc73 says:
    June 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    @echobhoy 6.22pm

    the redacted bits can easily be unredacted by copying and pasting into a word doc 🙂

    thanks for the hint Kilgore Trout
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    Beat me to it!!


  17. Danish Pastry says:
    June 14, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Thanks Danish, computer glitch on my part
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    garrymc73 says:
    June 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    @echobhoy 6.22pm

    the redacted bits can easily be unredacted by copying and pasting into a word doc

    thanks for the hint Kilgore Trout

    Need to recheck all others now 🙂


  18. Danish Pastry says:

    June 14, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    Document removed already?

    ——————————————-
    Emm …. It was …. to correct a wee small issue (Metadata) …. and then back again ….. sorted

    As a result some like myself have the full document (including Metadata) without the name of the person and the company removed …. and the missing bits off the end ….

    Not sure why this person was removed or the company name removed ….. as i have not come across them previous …… Curious !


  19. ecobhoy says:
    June 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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    I’m afraid that CF is either running out of interesting material or where it might be of interest is redacting the bits that would be of interest. Or perhaps negotiations are going well at the moment so CF is taking her feet off the pedal.

    The latest document that has been put up by CF is exactly the kind of exercise that an owner should be doing to determine which options are available to the company. This isn’t a morality issue but examining what can legally be achieved.

    It may be the redacted bits are dynamite or they might mean nothing – it all depends on the missing names
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    In my opinion all the CF stuff is simply about deflection, a few strong snippets early days but now most of it is pretty tame and already out there.
    Unless I hear David Murrays voice then I wont believe this is anything more than piss taking, if CF has all the meetings recorded by Whyte then there must be some with Murray discussing the deal and unless these are released then CF is going nowhere except taking all of us down a dead end and having a good laugh in the process.


  20. I often wonder just how Whyte managed to convince Ticketus to do the biggest ticket deal it had ever undertaken, and in the full knowledge there was a high risk of an insolvency event at Rangers.

    For that kind of money, are we to believe their legal advisors simply cut and paste from previous agreement documents and made a massive and expensive ‘woops’ in failing to acknowledge Scottish law? And Whyte himself states in the tapes there were detractors at Ticketus who had to be won over?

    The Ticketus deal stinks to high heaven, and D&P and Whyte know as much. But if the project Roosevelt document is genuine, the plan all along was to get Murray off the hook on the tax case in what appears to have been an orchestrated administration and sales process.

    But someone with weight had to vouch for Whyte, surely, because for that kind of money requires a bit more due dilligence than “he must be rich, he owns a castle in Scotland”, given the acknowledged risks attached to the deal.

    Where exactly did the money come from that funded the Ticketus vehicle? It might be an obvious question, but surely there has to be a paper trail, or is that why spivs need control of an FSA registered entity?

    If its good enough for HSBC…

    Come on Charlotte, lets see the evidence showing how the money circled. Rangers entered administration the day after Pritchard Stockbrokers were shut down by the FSA. Pritchard were in on this, as were Merchant House Group via Merchant Turnaround and Merchant Corporate Recovery. You say you’re not Whtyte, so if true, there must be a treasure trove of documents linking Merchant House and Pritchard to project Roosevelt and/or Charlotte.


  21. newtz says:
    June 14, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Emm …. It was …. to correct a wee small issue (Metadata) …. and then back again ….. sorted

    As a result some like myself have the full document (including Metadata) without the name of the person and the company removed …. and the missing bits off the end ….

    Not sure why this person was removed or the company name removed ….. as i have not come across them previous …… Curious !
    ——————————————————————————————————————————–
    And the gentleman concerned works only 1.5mls from Charlotte Square – a mere 15min walk for a youngster


  22. scapaflow14 on June 14, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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    Danish Pastry says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Very unwise indeed, since Mr Ogilvy is quite liable to reply “The board members of the SFA were fully informed, and fully involved at every step of the process”
    ————–

    If that’s the case scapa, even more than unwise. Could the mysterious 5-Way be hidden to protect the acquiescence of certain chairmen?


  23. newtz on June 14, 2013 at 6:55 pm
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    ——

    Well spotted. I just took screen shots on my iPad as I thought these were image docs, all along. Well, well. So you’re not mentioning any names? Hint hint ….


  24. scapaflow14 says:
    June 14, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    ‘..John, its not really Celtic that have some explaining to do, but rather, in this context Messers lawell and Riley, and the other directors at both the SFA and the SPL,..’
    ————
    I’ve no great difficulty with that proposition, scapa.
    Each of the three Boards as a whole would certainly owe some kind of explanation to people they answer to.
    You will remember that I advocated that what was needed was for 10 ( or was it 12?) SFA member clubs to requisition an EGM in order to get CO to stand down because the perception was( rightly or wrongly) that he was conflicted.
    I don’t suppose we’ll ever know whether any member even tried to look for the necessary number to support him or tried but failed to get the support
    But had such an egm been called, the likelihood is that some of the other issues would have been brought out into the open, because by that time, we know, there was a lot of simmering discontent among club chairmen about the faffing about and the high-handed tone of their various elected officers and appointed officials.


  25. scapaflow14 says:
    June 14, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Scapa, golf is a young mans game…


  26. TSFM ….
    is it ok to name the person ….
    And the company …..

    Some interesting bits …..
    C uploaded a Word Doc ……. version 2 of doc
    Document Name : PROJECT ROOSEVELT V2.DOC

    Not an image … not a pdf ….. the actual original (or copy) ……. of the Word Doc …… Telling !

    So maybe thats why the name removed and company removed ……….. ooohhh !
    (Whataboutery in me going into overdrive …. !) …… stop it newtz

    I have the directory that she upload from ……. not normal …… eg My Docs or C:documents etc ….
    but rather into a user profile WILLIAM ……….
    C:USERSWILLIAM\APPDATALOCALTEMP

    The directory structure tells me a lot …… the likely Windows ver…. and yes it was from Windows OS
    Not a temporary email directory ….
    I think I also now know the application that created this directory ……
    The document seems to have been originally saved and this document is from the temporary directory created during either creation …. or as a save from opening the doc (possibly from email but unlikely)

    Looks like either someone did not clear out their temp files and cleaned up their registry …..


  27. Suggestion,
    How many of the Celtic supporters here have actually communicated their feelings to the club?
    Tu/Td …..


  28. scapaflow14 says:

    June 14, 2013 at 7:41 pm
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    Tut tut ………..


  29. iamacant says:

    June 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm
    ————————————
    You are a very naughty boy ……. LOL

    @ian …. what’s your take on info I providd above …… curious eh ?


  30. Actually …..

    ROOSEVELT POSITIONING PAPER
    STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL

    The missing header ……

    more analysis as I come across it …


  31. newtz says:
    June 14, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    I’m debating with myself whether to email him but as I’ve started on the cuba libre’s, I’ll mull it over the weekend


  32. newtz says:
    June 14, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    ——————————————-
    Emm …. It was …. to correct a wee small issue (Metadata) …. and then back again ….. sorted

    As a result some like myself have the full document (including Metadata) without the name of the person and the company removed …. and the missing bits off the end ….

    Not sure why this person was removed or the company name removed ….. as i have not come across them previous …… Curious !
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They were the last law firm left in Scotland who were not engaged by SFA/SPL/SFA/Lawwell/Whyte/Murrary/Murray & Murray. and so not conflicted.

    Bet they never got paid for their business pitch.


  33. scapaflow14 on June 14, 2013 at 7:41 pm
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    DP no hints, but I would recommend Morton Hall golf course to marty…..
    ————

    Too cryptic for me lads. I’ll get back to the US Open. On the other hand, if Charlotte has been indiscret that might be best resolved via a wee heart to heart. Wouldn’t like this forum to out a whistleblower at risk.


  34. Bangordub says:
    June 14, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Suggestion,
    How many of the Celtic supporters here have actually communicated their feelings to the club?
    Tu/Td …..
    ——————————————————————————————————————————-
    Bangordub, I’ve written to Stewart Milne on 2 occasions and emailed the Dons Supporters Together about my concerns a few times but have never received an acknowledgement.

    I don’t see why I should put another penny into the coffers at AFC when they cannot even acknowledge the fans. There are times our club just do things with no consultation at all. Its called customer service and I think they like to forget who their customers really are. I’ve been a “customer,” “supporter,” fan since 1965 and this is how we are treated.

    It does not help when your chairman won’t or refuses to answers questions that need answered with regards to what is happening within the club or informs the fans about what was agreed/disagreed at meetings within Hampden. It’s a shocking state of affairs that would never have happened in the days when the Donald family controlled Pittodrie.

    The re-election of the conflicted one has done it for me. I firmly believe our club never raised an objection to him or queried his nomination for re-election. Our club is complicit in the farce that is Scottish football.


  35. iamacant says:
    June 14, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    “Document removed already?”
    ————
    I managed to get a look and take copious pencil notes about 15 minutes ago. I think Charlotte is reposting it periodically. It has been taken down again however. Perhaps a wee look every now and again might allow you a squint.


  36. Castofthousands says:
    June 14, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Thanks but I did save a copy and it ended up in a folder it shouldn.t have (me not paying attention)

    I have same copy as newtz has (see his post earlier) with all data 🙂


  37. newtz says:
    June 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    “Looks like either someone did not clear out their temp files and cleaned up their registry …..”
    —————-
    So this could have been lifted from a discarded computer that was not wiped properly.

    Can you elaborate on the other stuff; the application that created the directory for instance? Thanks.


  38. sumproduct says:
    June 14, 2013 at 7:01 pm
    “…But if the project Roosevelt document is genuine, the plan all along was to get Murray off the hook on the tax case in what appears to have been an orchestrated administration and sales process. ..”
    ———-
    The Roosevelt positioning Paper is dated 21st September 2011, and refers to a meeting on the 19th.
    By that time CW had ‘acquired RFC. So the advice must have been sought by/provided to him?

    Interesting to see tha HMRC said even then that if the FTTT decision went against them they would appeal.

    As many people have remarked, it is astonishing that our finance legislation allows so much scope for evil bas’trds and thieves to stiff their creditors with absolute impunity.


  39. Extract from the SFA Annual Review document
    ====================================
    From the SFA President’s opening remarks on the state of the Scottish game;

    “…There is too much negativity in the game. Obviously there are issues that require to be addressed but we cannot lose sight of the positives that are taking place…”

    My interpretation: “So just stop having a go at the SFA as the positives outweigh the negatives !”
    That’s us told then. 🙄

    http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/annualreview/2013/AnnualReview.html#p=4


  40. is that the same president that told us the game was a bogey unless we bent over and allowed a NEW CLUB into the top division of Scottish football for the first time in the history of Scottish football
    As my auld granny used to say …..awaynbileyerheidyamugye


  41. newtz says:
    June 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Newtz, I have same copy as you so who do you think “William” is? Is it King Billy or Bill Miller or someone else?

    I still have questions unanswered on this document but I’m not as “young” as I used to be. It might take me a wee bit longer to walk/run a “quartermile” than it used to.

    C’mon Danish, keep up, nothing wrong with a cryptic puzzle. It’s a bit like the Crystal Maze


  42. Never thought Mr Donohoe was among the best and the brightest….. Ah well


  43. IMO the SFA have long since dropped any pretence of applying the rules without fear or favour ,so nothing that comes out of the 6th floor makes me think …..oh finally justice .
    The way it looks to me is that it’s operation get sevco into spl ASAP and nothing will be allowed to threaten that .SFA/SPL clubs all round ,that is the agenda .#
    I would be grateful If the SPL could be so kind as to tell me what titles Sevco will be pencilled in to win in the future ,then I could purchase a ST for the seasons earmarked for the rest of the SPL to vie for .


  44. Stevie BC
    should that not read ….
    the SFA anal review document ,because after all that has gone on ,am I am not the only Scottish football fan that feels they have been Sh*****ed


  45. john clarke says:
    June 14, 2013 at 9:24 pm
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    User Profile was WILLIAM …. so project William ….. makes sense
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    ianagain says:
    June 14, 2013 at 9:31 pm
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    Either cloned disk drive …….
    or
    From a very well organised source computer ….. organised as USERS per Project …..
    Thats how some legals might protect seperate client data…each USER Profile with own password …

    Charlotte is keen to remove this MetaData …..
    To not attract legal attn from originator …? …… has’nt bothered with most ….. but was bitten once !
    To hide the source …. ??? …. if so why ?

    Remember your Charlotte Sq reference … what QC is located either there or nearby …. I need time to check ….
    A long shot …but if it checks out …. we may be a step closer to discovering the source ….
    That scenario means this is all coordinated …… legally coordinated !

    Of course I could easily be wrong ….


  46. iamacant says:
    June 14, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    “Newtz, I have same copy as you so who do you think “William” is?”
    —————-
    Project William was one in the series of rescue packages devised to cleanse Rangers of debt.

    Project Charlotte is the earliest record of such a scheme. It was mooted on 6th May 2010. Here’s the document :

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/140717722/Project-Charlotte-Business-Report-May-2010

    Project William was the next carnation. Text from CharlotteFakeovers posting on here read :

    Charlotte Fakeovers (@CharlotteFakes) says:
    Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 16:43

    Charlotte Fakeovers (@CharlotteFakes) says:
    Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 03:07
    Project Charlotte>Project Charlotte (again)>Project Blue.
    ______________________________________________
    Sorry, I made an error above, it should have read.
    Project Charlotte>Project Charlotte (again)>Project William>Project Blue.
    Project William being the pre-pack first mentioned here
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18268346
    However this was alive much earlier than the previously recorded date of 11 February 2012.
    David Grier met with representatives of Rangers during October 2011. A pre-pack was discussed in significant detail. MCR let Rangers know that HMRC were aware of the administration rumours. The key driver being the “60 day” issue relating to arrested funds and discussions with the League need to be progressed urgently.


  47. newtz says:
    June 14, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Remember your Charlotte Sq reference … what QC is located either there or nearby …. I need time to check ….
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Newtz, you have the answer, its in the document.


  48. iamacant says:
    June 14, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    “C’mon Danish, keep up, nothing wrong with a cryptic puzzle. It’s a bit like the Crystal Maze”
    —————
    I think Danish is pacing himself nicely and probably has enough in reserve to make a kick for the line.


  49. iamacant says:

    June 14, 2013 at 10:14 pm
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    Project WILLIAM is what this document is about ….. Roosevelt is the solicitors project name, CW has never referre to it as such …. Only William.

    What though is Projext Blue ?
    The Sevco Project ??


  50. iamacant says:
    June 14, 2013 at 8:38 pm
    ________________________
    To be fair you have just as much to be upset about because of the way your club is run. It is a shambles and has been for 20 years. Never mind if it goes tits upunder the present owner you can Toupe the players across to a new club. strike a 5 way agreement with the SFA who will sweep it under the Rug?


  51. @ john clarke.

    Whyte assuming the Big Tax Case liability always puzzled me. Yes, he bought the club for a pound, but he assumed liability on the outcome of a case which was being defended by the seller. That just sounded nuts. And didn’t the wee tax case turn out to be buried in the books for Whyte to find after the deal was concluded?

    MCR’s David Grier and Donald Muir, Lloyds man on the Rangers board, were key players in putting the deal with Whyte together. MCR and Lloyds were no strangers. What is interesting is Grier was a senior partner with MCR, but he was the only partner of that firm who was not a licenced insolvency practitioner. He was, however, very well connected in both HBOS and RBS. The IPA investigation into the D&P conflict issues never mentioned Grier. They also based their findings on evidence provided by Clark and Whitehouse from their own case files.

    Was the truck tycoon a serious bidder? The guy from Singapore? The Blue Knights? Or were they just a window dressing a sales process for appearance sake?

    It also struck me as odd Whyte claimed on the tapes he had worked with Media House for ‘years’. As far back as their involvement with Pritchard. Funny how Brown and Whyte both acquired controlling stakes in a stockbroking firm which always looked to be trading on the brink of insolvency.

    Media House were brought in to clean up Pritchards tarnished rep after its name was dragged into a highly political scandal, given Brown’s huge donation to the LibDems.

    Media House were also Sir David Murray’s PR firm and kept the stench off him for years. The stench seems to be hanging over Whyte, which may be part of the plan, but can we expect a return from King now those witnesses in the SARS case have dearly departed? Or might a newspaper think that’s a story worth looking into, relegating King back to toxic status?

    Charlotte has to start filling in the blanks. To date the stuff posted has been interesting, and no doubt worrying, on a professional level, for Duff & Phelps and the PR firms, but the players all remain in the clear, for now. Maybe its brinkmanship to broker a deal? Whyte being brought to the table was no accident. Ticketus funding his also appears to have been the plan from the start. So who is lined up to take the assets back once the legacy debt and tax issues are buried in the oldco liquidation?

    Whyte states on tape when they go looking for money in Liberty Capital they aren’t going to find much. Oldco group will be an empty husk and the creditors pot will be swallowed up in professional fees. He did give the Nixon defence for the benefit of the tape though – he’s not a crook, so that’s all right then. Funny, Private Eye seem to have a bee in their bonnet that Whyte’s idea of building a pension fund is at the expense of someone else’s pension fund.

    Hard to trust anyone in this caper.


  52. I’m getting a lot of noise on my hard drive when I read Charlotte’s tweets. As I’m ultra cautious, after I have switched off my modem I back up the copies I have taken onto a memory stick. Others equally cautious may choose to do something similar. Wouldn’t want some geek wiping my hard drive remotely and leaving me with no downloads.


  53. jonnyod says:
    June 14, 2013 at 10:19 pm
    ‘..The way it looks to me is that it’s operation get sevco into spl ASAP and nothing will be allowed to threaten that …..
    ———-
    And I believe you are quite right.

    The real giveaway is the guilty need to refer to the ex-First Minister’s report ( can’t remember how he spells his name, and I canny be ars’d looking it up), as if the frantic, panicked urgency to ‘re-construct’ was the carefully deliberated upon, and wise application, of recommendations made, what, 2 years ago, was it?

    That report lay virtually dormant since the day it was published, with no evidence that anybody really gave a practical toss.

    And all of a sudden there’s an incredible scurry around and a bit of bullying and lo! and behold, a new structure appears!

    It is inconceivable that that was not done to accommodate a new club which in its first season of operation won top spot in its league.
    (In the same way that,reportedly, the rule against trialists playing was amended!)


  54. iamacant says:

    June 14, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    ————————————
    could be ………. but need stronger link
    loose link is that all data passed to QC to produce QC’d LBC/LBA …… so collated data had to be at the Coobe rd office of ML at one time ….. Is Beresford the link ?


  55. newtz says:

    June 14, 2013 at 11:04 pm
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    Typo …. Coombe Rd ….. next to the Fake IIt tanning saloon ….. lol


  56. sumproduct says:
    June 14, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    “Whyte assuming the Big Tax Case liability always puzzled me.”
    ———————-

    A £40M contingency was put in place concerning the big tax case. I can’t locate the document immediately but will hunt futher. In the meantime the following shows that all the possibilities were under active consideration.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/142089135/Duff-and-Phelps-Advice


  57. Marty
    Classic sociopath as I have opined he’s typical ‘mental’ Glesca. No worries over Ticket us (in fact his biggest problem). But concerned over Jerome as its the jail for pension fraud.


  58. Tsfm, any chance of getting a replies link back to the top of an article? Very handy if reading in an android mobile . thanks


  59. Hasn’t Murray gained absolution via Whyte? Per the plan?


  60. Apologies for lack of engagement this week folks. I’ve been trying to babysit the change to the new site, new hosts. new theme and new functionality.
    Things appear to be settling down, but the biggest pest has been the login. Will continue to tweak and hope for perfection asap!

    On the fundraising side of things, we now have just over £500, so we are well on the way to our target. Thanks for the effort and generosity.

    We are hoping to get the site settled in before tackling the podcast project. The success so far of the fundraising suggests we will be able to commence the podcast planning by the end of June, which is on schedule.


  61. Thanks TFSM fr all the efforts. Know what it takes. 1000 f hours


  62. OK, I might have been wrong, Jack Irvine may actually have a sectarian bone in his body

    ===============

    From:
    Jack Irvine

    Date: 6 July 2011Subject:To: Ali Russell , Craig Whyte

    Ali/Craig

    The Herald article will please the fans although I am informed by moderate
    voice that it will be “divisive.” That’s the sort of weak
    -kneed crap that MartinBain used to employ.

    No surrender!

    Jack Irvine

    Executive Chairman

    Media House International Ltd

    London:020 7710 0020

    Edinburgh: 0131 247 7520

    Glasgow: 0141 220 6040

    http://www.mediahouse.co.uk


  63. martybhoy says:
    June 15, 2013 at 12:19 am
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    i think that given the history of the participants and their fast and free interpretation of the law from Pension Fund “misuse of funds”, tax evasion/avoidance, mock administrations, FSA stockbroker violations, market falsifications, charity theft etc the authorities must be well on the case here. If not, why not?


  64. Castofthousands says:
    June 15, 2013 at 12:49 am
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    An odd document. Guys like Whyte are souless there is no way he would take on that debt just to preserve Oldco and do the honourable thing – it is window dressing – never mind that RFC could never repay it.

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