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WATCHERSEPTEMBER 13, 2017 at 10:16 The issue is that UEFA (and indeed …

Comment on The Vice Closes by wottpi.

WATCHERSEPTEMBER 13, 2017 at 10:16
The issue is that UEFA (and indeed FIFA) is set up to protect its big names.

Celtic are relative small fry.

What passes as tolerated behaviour in Scotland, sectarianism, politicization of football matches, no penalties for cup final pitch invasions, dodgy reffing decisions and Scott Brown’s testing the water for what he can get away with for the first 15mins gets short shrift in the bigger world.

When Lennon was attacked at Tynecastle the SPL and SFA took no action against Hearts on the basis that stewarding arrangements were adequate.

Compare that with Uefa’s treatement of what one could describe as lesser offenses being no physical contact was made with players or club officials.

The Parkhead club had to pay £25,000 to Uefa in 2007 when a fan confronted AC Milan keeper Dida during a Champions League match and received a £42,000 fine by Uefa in 2008 after a supporter ran on the pitch at their Champions League match against Manchester United.
Similarly, Rangers were fined £4,230 by Europe’s governing body for a pitch invasion that interrupted their Uefa Cup tie with Maccabi Haifa in November 2006.

In having form for supporters entering the field of play and the run of recent Uefa  fines, Tom English is wholly correct to say that Celtic may be in big trouble.

I reiterate, nothing to do with the club itself and its actions  but because of a handful of moronic supporters.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-41499165
Not directly an issue with T’Rangers but one to do with someone who until recently had a significant shareholding and the club named has been linked before to dodgy deals between French and English clubs with Rangers being in the middle.

Was thinking the other day that, with the cancellation of the Benfica game, there is just a stench of tragedy hanging around the Ibrox club.

While folk may indeed want to move on it just seems like to me that even if we do, I am still left wondering what T’Rangers (other than the significant fan base) bring to the Scottish game being that a week doesn’t go by that they seem to be embroiled in one shambles or another.  


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(seem to have lost a post or two so sorry if this is a repeat)
Given the SFA and others the benefit of the doubt, I am sure they are fully concentrated on the next two important games for the national team.

However just a wee reminder that tomorrow is four weeks since the reports that the Compliance Officer was being asked to investigate the Euro Licence issue.

Has anyone got Brenada’s old clock so we can keep an eye on when the SFA and/or the MSM are going to provide us with some kind of update / progress report?

If Regan is to believed in that he wants people to move on,  then why the pussy footing around this investigation?


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Given the lack of an independent review and while we are waiting on the outcome of the Compliance Officers Euro Licence decision along with whether or not a Judicial Review is going to take place, I was wondering if anyone was able to actually summarise what actual lessons have been learned by the footballing authorities from the whole Rangers saga and what rule changes have occurred as a result.

We often hear of ‘lessons being learned’ but, on the face of it, I am not convinced things have changed enough for the same types of issues to occur again.

I maybe  be wrong but think it would be interesting if any fellow bampots who had the time and inclination could spell out exactly what has changed.


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StevieBC 22nd December 2020 at 12:26

bect67 22nd December 2020 at 12:50

Agree, if people aren't happy with six goals in a cup final encounter that went to extra time and a nerve wracking penalty shoot out then what is it that floats their boat?

Thinking back, by the end of it I had forgotten there was no crowd in Hampden and was wholly absorbed unlike some games I've watched in these strange times.

OK so the quality was questionable and the result didn't go the way of my team but for me this is what sport should be about. If Celtic had taken it to 3-0 in the second half and strolled to the end of the game, no-one would have even remembered the game next week, let alone years to come. 

Quadruple trebles, Hamilton winning F1 at a canter, etc  are to be admired and respected but I'd say it isn't always 'entertaining'.


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Nice to see the thumbs back on the site.

18 thumbs down for a fairly innocuous post re the cup final and 1 person responding negatively to Cluster One's post re  the BBC's  half time tribute to a 36 year old footballer being struck down by MND!! 

I know people say the thumbs are not the be all and end all of the site, but come on guys, really?


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Very entertaining cup final today.

Penalties a bit of a lottery, as usual,  as both teams could claim they were worthy of the win.

 


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bordersdon 7th December 2020 at 20:23

paddy malarkey 7th December 2020 at 18:36

Would hope by the September rounds there may be a chance to get to games if the vaccine roll out goes well. However in terms of away games can't see any great attraction other than Austria, don't really fancy the rest. Would consider Denmark if I can get a bank loan for a pint!!


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Re The recent punishments for St Mirren and Kilmarnock, I have merely scanned the ruling for Killie and read a bit of commentary re St Mirren

It seems there are two parts to case. Killie were deemed to have not operated social distancing protocols on the bus to an away game and at a pre-game meal. To put is simply, they probably need to have two buses to keep all players and staff appropriately distanced and at the hotel where the meal was served,  the tables had too many people around them.

In St Mirren's case it seems the same applied but they were also guilty of letting players car share. There seems to be questions about not imparting covid related information to players and staff in an appropriate manner.

I may be wrong but I get the impression the cash fine is for braking the covid protocols and the loss of game and the 3-0 award to opposition is based on sporting disadvantage, given the result was that due to Covid issues the offending team were unable to put out a team and thus placed unfavourable conditions on their opposition that would otherwise not have occurred.

The linking of these two cases to earlier one with Celtic & Aberdeen seems to be 'apples and pears' in that both those clubs were willing and able to play their fixtures. The SPFL seem to also be saying that the Scot Gov cancelled the games but I am not sure that is strictly the case.

However, if a team were to fall foul of a bout of food poisoning as a result of their own catering operation and could not fulfill a fixture, is it not the case that precedent for teams being unavailable due to  'illness' within the squad is that the games are rescheduled.

Clubs would not be fined for breaking hygiene protocols and no points would be awarded to the disadvantaged opposition.

I can see why the SPFL have taken the stance they have, in these most difficult of times,  but not overly convinced they have the powers or precedent to take such action. Perhaps it is a gloves off approach as opposed to being more accommodating in 'normal times'.

While not so fussed about retrospective action on Celtic and Aberdeen, I am more concerned that the same SPFL seem willing to disrupt an already jam packed league fixture list and allow a certain team to needlessly go to a winter training camp (which presumably will be abroad), when there could be a higher probability of people straying from protocols and covid controls. 

If Celtic or any other team are unable to fulfill fixtures due to 'covid mistakes'  then 3-0 it will be, no?

 


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