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UPTHEHOOPSSEPTEMBER 18, 2017 at 07:11   JOHN CLARKSEPTEMBER 17, 2017 at 22:02 Or, what happens …

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UPTHEHOOPSSEPTEMBER 18, 2017 at 07:11  
JOHN CLARKSEPTEMBER 17, 2017 at 22:02 Or, what happens if the SFA’s wee look at the licence issue establishes that there was dirty work at the crossroads, with the SFA and RFC(IL) conspiring together to cheat Celtic plc out of millions by wrongfully awarding a UEFA licence to RFC(IL)?
From the SFA utterances so far, the review seems very narrowly focused on whether the SFA were misled. It does not appear to be going anywhere close to asking what people at the SFA knew, and when did they know it. Mr Regan’s arrogant demeanour the other day suggests he is fairly confident of that. I have no doubt the review will find that Craig Whyte lied to the SFA, but that the SFA acted in good faith and with the utmost integrity at all times. I believe it will also find a way to minimise the role of the current Ibrox board members who were around at that time. Finally, I believe the SFA will say they have legal advice that no action can be taken therefore the matter is now closed for good. In that case no matter what the Resolution 12 people and the Celtic board know, it will be difficult to progress outwith a court.  I could be wrong of course but given how everything else has panned out this seems to me the most likely scenario. Anyway, without an independent body as part of the review it is not worth the paper it will be written on.  
What if Craig Whyte ever tells his version of what happened though? Just a thought.  A Scottish publication won’t go near it but he will get some outlet to run with it I’m sure. Let’s not forget Mr Whyte was found not guilty in a criminal court of any fraudulent behaviour.  He has been subjected to a level of scrutiny no-one at the SFA has ever had to go near. 
There are 3 stages in granting and monitoring a UEFA licence regarding over due tax.

31st March Art 50 when there can be no overdue payables to HMRC. Based on evidence provided RFC misrepresented the true status of the liability.

CraiG Whyte did not Takeover until 6th May so any deception took place under Chairmanship of Alistair Johnson when SDM was major shareholder.

30th June Art 66 when an update is provided by RFC via SFA to UEFA . CW is responsible for that and basically continued the same deceit. In mid September UEFA and SFA discussed the Art66 submission and in spite of it continuing on the same lines as Art50 submission the submission was verbally accepted. What was discussed has to be part of any investigation.

30 Sept  Another update under Art 67. This coincided with it being public knowledge Sherriff Officers had called to collect so at same time in mid Sept after discussion with UEFA, the  SFA advised RFC that a submission under Art67 was required in tones that are eye brow raising.

That Art67vsubmission was made by CW, contained similar message to give impression of ongoing discussions but claimed a payment towards liability that was never made. SFA passed this on to UEFA.

Never at any time from March to September 2011 did SFA use their power under Art 43 to verify position with HMRC. It is also possible that SFA did not carry out the checks under FFP rules with the rigour intended.

All of the above is a matter of record and was presented to SFA and is basis on which a Comp Off case was finally opened after Donald McIntyre made the status of the liability at 31 March public at CQ trail.

The Comp Off will be well acquainted with the records as he was first presented with some in 2014 by Celtic acting on behalf of shareholders.

In July 2015 he was then presented with a solid case for Investigation with pointers to where breaches may have occured but the response did not result in the investigation now happening, although the SFA’s reluctance to engage using confidentiality as an excuse did eventuall lead to UEFA involvement in Jun 2016. (The Traverso letter) where UEFA having explained their position left it open for a member club to pursue,  which Celtic have domestically since December 2016 after the AGM.

Why it took from December 2011 to July 2017 for the SFA to finally admit, in spite of information provided from 2014, that an investigation was required has to be part of the investigatory remit.

In particular the role of the SFA based on statements and interviews made by Regan from 2011 that demonstrate his lack of knowledge of FFP and his dependency for interpretation on Andrew Dickson to supplement what understanding Regan had (Dickson being a member of the Licensing Committee that granted the licence now under investigation whilst he at the same time was RFC’s Football Administrator handling ebt contracts with side letters) has to be part of the investigation or its not worth a candle.
The investigation also has to be independent of the SFA and contain input from UEFA or better still Chaired by a UEFA representative.
If RFC found guilty it would cause a legal battle if SFA or UEFA tried to sanction TRFC whose defense would be they are not same club as RFC under UEFA rules.
SFA, if smart, will bow to UEFA rules designed to preserve sporting integrity and both they and SPFL will publicly a knowledge 5 way agreement allowing transfer of SFA Membership conflicted with UEFA and future records of both regarding TRFC will reflect their membership of Scottish football began in 2012.
Regan can then apologise to Celtic for his incompetence and if the SFA in any way are shown to have played a part either negligence at granting or complicity during monitoring, Regan as CEO at the time will have to resign.
A full independent investigation is required and Celtic are in a position to demand one because of what appears to be fraudulent behaviour by RFC at their financial expense in 2011 and negligence by the SFA at best.

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The main feature of the shennagins that have followed the improper use of ebts to pay players has not been to sanction appropriately but to limit the damage RFC under SDM has done to Scottish football.
“There is no question of dishonesty corporate or individual” by LNS now rings hollow in light of what is now known.
 Having set up that facade (and the SFA would have known it to be such during 2011 if they had acted as a proper regulator should have done) the choice is act as a proper regulator or continue with the facade as there is no means of challenging them.
That means could be criminal law and the very possibility will have to be considered.
The game will not want to go that way so I imagine some horse trading will be underway.
The reason that anything has happened at all is that it has become public knowledge that the SFA’s explantions in private that became public and also  in public about the wtc bill being in dispute/had not crystalised/ SFA had no responsibility after 31st March having granted a licence (which was actually granted on 19 April 2011) all fell away.
So how long was Regan ignorant of the truth and what was he told in Dec 2011 that stopped him issuing the statement about the liability being potentional and discussions taking place.
Was he told the truth by RFC or did they palm him off with the fear of the consequences of issuing any statement?
As a party to a process under his command Regan should be no where near setting any parameters and the Comp Off has to look at any evidence put his way or be compromised himself.
Quite a bind the SFA have put themselves in and for what? 
It will be interesting to hear what the CompOff comes up with and damage limitation may continue to hold sway.
It’s a matter of what is best for our game, not what is best for the SFA.

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UPTHEHOOPSOCTOBER 6, 2017 at 18:32
A statement by anyone saying no action could be taken would have to be backed by reasons as Celtic shareholders and shareholders in other clubs could justifiably claim compensation for loss of income and so share value in 2011.
Indeed if the findings are RFC lied to obtain the licence then a fraud took place. If the SFA failed to do their job then they owe the club’s some form of compensation and they might wish to sue Grant Thornton who enabled them to be misled.
If however the reason given was that RFC no longer exist for football rules to apply – much of what Traverso said in June 2016 –  and that the current applicant for a UEFA licence from Ibrox  only held SFA Membership from 2012 and that the SPFL and SFA would bow to UEFA’s Article 12 in the interests of restoring sporting integrity to our game and would reflect this in their records, then  that might be enough to allow football to move on.
After all it would officially recognise RFC cheated and at same time put to bed the claim the current residents at Ibrox have any history predating 2012 a truth football has gone pretzel shaped to avoid stating.

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JOHN CLARKOCTOBER 7, 2017 at 00:45 14 0  Rate This ______I spent an hour or two this evening,C1, reading through the SFA’s club licensing manual (2017).
I see you reached the same conclusion others like myself reached a long time ago.
If a club knowingly misrepresents the true position with regard to any of the licensing requirements then club licensing is as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
If the licensor (the SFA) is aware of an issue or has been given the power by the licensee (the club) to confirm a licensing  submission with relevant football or civil authority, but declines to do so, then the licensor has questions to answer and the fireguard might as well be be filled with brandy liqueur. 
Thus the dragging of feet since 2013 by SFA to check their part since 2011 in the UEFA licence granted to RFC.
However it may go further. That failing, that dependency on trust, blows a massive hole in UEFA’s FFP, which might explain Traverso’s response to Celtic shareholders’ lawyers as to why UEFA did not wish to investigate, although the door was left open for a member club to pursue.

That wee sword of Damocoles still hangs over the current CompOff investigation, where Tony McGlennan is gathering evidence. It is possible some of which may never have reached the public domain and could change the narrative, although had any existed it would surely have come out by now.
So it’s wait and see if some Brysonesque explanation is pulled out of the SFA magic rules hat.
Had proper club licensing been conducted by professionals sInce 2000 then RFC would not have been enabled to act as they did in debt and improper tax terms.
A domestic licensing version that mirrors the principles of UEFA FFP, that puts the integrity of UEFA competition up front, unlike the SFA, and which is properly policed by independent professional auditors is long overdue.
However one suspects its arrival will have to wait until at least one club has put its house in good enough financial order to be granted a licence after proper scrutiny.
That one club may not be alone,  which further explains the reluctance of more clubs to grasp the licensing nettle.
Those who are secure having to put up with those who are not, because without them they have no one to play.
It’s a funny old interdependent game.

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The allegations on CQN that Bobby Madden has a gambling problem surely require his  removal from the the firing line until the allegators are proved wrong.
No snap decisions, just a leisurely swim until there is no question as to his motivations. 

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Dons/Hibees/Jambos and any other club wanting a UEFA spot.
Flogging players who have put TRFC near top of league is an admission those players unaffordable.
The solution is to make a licence for TRFC conditional on a realistic sustainable business plan. SFA are not doing their licencing job. Never have in fact.
So what questions are your club Directors asking the SFA?
Why not get them to ask UEFA if they are happy with the way SFA process licence applications from Ibrox. Seems UEFA not happy.
Proper club licencing can level the playing field a bit but it also protects all clubs from charlatans selling jam tomorrow.

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Allyjambo 21.41

Matthew Lindsay: Time for Dave King to depart Rangers – but who could take over at the Ibrox club?

Rangers need to be run by individuals whose integrity is beyond doubt.
Do such individuals steeped in blue exist?

As rare as a dodo nesting on an iceberg in Carlisle Bay, Barbados.
” No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” Albert Einstein

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I got my electronic copy of Not The View delivered yesterday.
Browsing through I thought I recognised The Christmas Tale offering and was pleased to read it as I had forgotten it was a tale I told at Christmas in 2012 (on CQN I think).
I think it worth repeating as a reminder of why SFM exists – because we love football and we love Scottish football and we aren’t done yet.
See me?
See me?
Ah jist luv fitbaw.
Its funny cos I was never that interested until about age eleven when a good pal, who was destined never to see his 21st birthday after a car crash in Rome encouraged me to try it. John was there to become a priest but got fast tracked by the Big Man who knows a good guy when he sees wan.
John encouraged me to give it a go in Suffolk St.  We played “croassies in” with the metal pull down blinds that formed the gates to the interior of the Barras as goals. Plastic baws, Fridos then Wembleys, arrived about then and many a red hot poker made the game a bogey in a failed attempt at repairing a burst baw.
(I blame the whelk shells; they were aw ower the place from the Oyster Bar in the Gallowgate (where I was entrapped in the cellar two weekends in a row cleaning whelks and mussels) and the ravenous appetite of the Glasgow punter for shellfish.
I played fitbaw morning, noon and night and saw Glasgow Green pitches UPGRADED from black ash/clinker to red blaze. We thought we were Wullie Fernie playing on that stuff and there was a case for playing with 10 baws as teams were filled with tanner baw players (goalies were just last man standing) for whom the object of the game was to beat everybody else in the opposition before scoring or it wisnae a goal.
I remember wan night  at the Glasgow Green waiting to play for St Alphonsus v Our Lady of Fatima  when I saw Tony Green, who was a Mungo boy and went on to play for Newcastle and Scotland before injury ended his career too early, waiting, sannies under his arm, to get a game with any team who were a man short. I think the OLOF manager mugged wan of his boys as Tony appeared for them and turned a virtuoso performance against us to give OLOF a 3-2 victory.
I started work and went to London for a year to work in the old Post Office Savings Bank. In my first week Jock (a Jock) approached and asked if I played. He never mentioned the sport, he didnae hiv tae, we wur already communicating at the spiritual level only fitbaw lovers can reach (the kind of thing that electrifies CP on CL nights.)
I get directions fur a game oan the Saturday at Acton Town and turn up, new Puma boots, paid by my transfer grant, under my arm (nae sannies fur me) On entering the park ahm puzzled, there wiz GRASS everywhere, nae clinker or red blaze in sight.  “Must be roon the back of the dressing rooms “ I remember thinking.
Anyhoo I gets changed runs roon the back to see — MAIR grass as far as the eye can see. So I troop back tae the dressing rooms to get directions to the ash pitches. When I explain what ah wiz used to playin oan they aw jist looked at me like my village wiz searching fur their idiot.
Well I get sorted out and line up. The baw, I remember, wiz a size 5 orange wan, but no wan o they bricks wi laces. The first pass to me wiz high and ah chests the ball doon and whirls roon afore I get studded from the back as wiz the custom oan the narrow pitches of Glasgow Green. To ma amazement the nearest opponent to me is about 4 yards away. As I look into his eyes I smile and turn to Jock at the sidelines and shout.
“Yer gonnae need anither baw” as I meander off in pursuit of the only goal that counted for a tanner baw man. I think I managed 7 before netting and I’ll take that. It wiz oan unfamiliar grass after all.
 Postscript “Aye very guid Auldheid” yer thinking (if you have stayed with me so far.)
“Nice reminiscing and it is Christmas Eve, so thanks fur the memories. “
But there’s mer tae this tale fur
See me?
See me?
I jist luv fitbaw.
Its ma game, its  OOR game and when I see the mess those responsible for looking after its welfare have made of it ah want to do something.
I hope ahm not alone.
Dec 2012

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That Dave King is allowed any influence in Scottiish football is a dereliction of the duty of the SFA to protect our game from criminality.

Dave King should be called to account by the other clubs via the SFA to provide evidence he can do what he has promised, which is bank roll TRFC.

At the very least the clubs should be preparing for another insolvency event at Ibrox and deciding the conditions they will set for TRFC to continue taking part in Scottish football on the same basis as every other club, who act with the utmost good faith to fellow members.

The clubs via the SFA have the powers under Club Licensing to do so, powers that the SFA Comp Off can only conclude the SFA have failed to utilise. Powers that UEFA must have recognised by now as a result of Res12 letter of May 2016 and UEFA Licence submission this year, are not being used fully by the SFA.  

It was self preservation that underpinned the 5 Way Agreement . The dangers of that agreement – destroying integrity, undermining trust, ignoring deceit – become more and more manifest and should alert other clubs to the necessity to exercise their collective responsibility to each other and so to our game that they govern via the SFA on our behalf, using Club Licensing powers.

When a particular course of action designed to preserve self is not working it is human nature to try another course.

Not renewing STs come April/May unless positive trust restoring actions are taken by our clubs collectively, is one way of changing minds about what is self preserving.

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