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Comment on The Vice Closes by tearsofjoy.

I’m struggling to see why the UK national anthem riles (some ) Scots. It isn’t anti Scottish, Scotland/the Scots don’t get a mention and as for a folk song , that dirge Scotland has adopted ? I don’t like it, never have but why people see what they do in itis beyond me.

But to the meat of the matter, that irresistible force : sectarian singing. The hypocracy that surrounds Celtic on this matter is staggering and the number of CFC fans that take the moral high ground on this matter equally so. CFC fan sing pro IRA songs – we all know it, we’ve all heard it. So let’s stop pretending otherwise. 

The clubs have voted to exempt themselves from punishment by the footballing authorities , so quite clearly they don’t care. The police cannot and never will deal with this effectively. Let’s stop pretending we are outrgaed by this – we are not because if we were we’d be shouting from the rooftops about it. So, it goes on, and on , as it ever will. That truly is “Scotland’s Shame”.

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The Times/Michael Grant on Rangers (oldco) MG has a small section in his “Monday Briefing” section on Scottish football re the SFA under the sub-title “Time for the SFA to explain” in which he writes “It is time for the SFA to explain exactly why they will not support an independent review into the Rangers EBT case and other non-payment of taxes by clubs”
If he thinks Sevco are being victimised then why doesn’t he name the other clubs who haven’t paid their taxes. It seems a bit strange to me : if there were other clubs in this boat I’d expect we’d know by now – as they would have gone out of business. No ? Or is he wilfully and stupidly trying to create a perception amongst Sevco fans that there are other clubs out there – who are getting away with it ? And that the SFA are being asked to pick on Sevco only. 

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There is also the possibilty, of course, that, just as Celtic, until now, have kept their silence on the matter, the rest, or a few of them, have agreed a strategy of tacit support for the stance Celtic are taking, allowing Regan and co a longer rope to hang themselves with before realising how little support they have.

Well I’d really like to think that is the case. The clubs cannot be under any illusion about how their fans feel – they spoke out 5 years ago and the clubs took heed (no doubt reluctantly). I have to say I have great admiration for the way Celtic have gone about this (for the record, I’m a Hearts man) and in maintaining secrecy around this. The club has been vilified and suffered some financial loss while all the while its been fighting for their fans. Lawell and co must have some patience !  But then as was said on RTC it would probably run for 5 or 6 years IIRC. 
Personally, I struggle to see why the SPFL are supporting a proposed review – what do they gain ? it was THEIR league (Premiership) that the SPFL/SFL tried to shoehorn Sevco into. The embarrassment starts right there. Is there a power struggle underway between the SPFL and the SFA (as we saw in England many years ago) or is Doncaster going with the flow and trying to mitigate the hsit storm that heads in his direction ? Any thoughts ?

PS Tom English – disgraceful, and not alone. The tide has turned- this is NOT about Celtic, and it NEVER was , no matter what the Glasgow media do to spin it. Celtic undoubtedly suffered more than most but every other club was also taking part in what was effectively a handicap  , not an equal competition. 

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History, Neighbours and Made Up News
I haven’t followed the The Rangers/Rangers/Sevco – Hibs/Hibernian/HibsPLC/Whatever post cup final conflagration too closely but my take on things is that “The Edinburgh Club” decided that they weren’t going to be tried for a bad day out when the Scottish football “authorities” have acted like Pilate for the last 130 years a propos “The Glasgow Clubs”. If they did – well done them. 
So, can the Glasgow media please ask the Scottish football authorities why they convened this fiasco in the first place – when they KNEW the clubs could not possibly be held accountable ie no strict liability.
A face saving and embarrassing farce – Scottish football was dragged through the mud (not for the first time) but the SFA can’t take any action – because , as an organisation , it has already decided it does not want the powers to do so , as demonstrated by its member clubs. What a joke.

On a more topical point – 
as the late Brian Clough has been mentioned in this thread , a wee question for you : which Scottish club paid Cloughie a holdall full of money for bringing his team up north for  a testimonial ?
the manager of which Scottish club blocked the transfer of a player because he didn’t get a bung ? The manager in question is regarded with the utmost probity by the fans but I am assured is as corrupted as any of the current crop of managers being mentioned by The Telegraph.
Of course, these are merely allegations as I have no first hand knowledge of the events – but I can tell you the sources are impeccable.

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An utterly ridiculous post , nor worthy of this site .

Just for the record , I’m a fan of HMFC , my mother’s family are of Irish origin and I’ve seen Hibs in various finals through the 1970s as we wenr to games “en famille”. So no anti Hibs bias from me.

But to your post –

“There was 2 full minutes for someone to make a decision and deploy the extra cover”.
And what exactly were the police supposed to do in this two minutes. To suggest the police are somehow to blame for the shameful episode or somehow lacking  is ridiculous.

The term “Hibs’d it” – originates from the forums of Hearts fans and has been doing the rounds for a very , very long time. How you can take this to be “goading” of Hibs fans/players is incredible. I’m sure both have been subject to much worse over the years.

“That said, to approach the Rangers fans for a GIRUY is maybe understandable (but not excusable) in the face of weeks of very public goading.”
Really ? Public goading ? The trash that confronted the Rangers fans are just that- trash. They trashed the name of their club and their fellow fans. They trashed the stadium too. Stop making excuses for them.
Some of the bias on this site is very disappointing. Rangers will be (hopefully) punished for their transgressions yesterday but the behavour of a substantial element of the Hibs support is completely inexcusable. They went looking for trouble and they found it.  The club should be punished accordingly.

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As a  supporter of HMFC (albeit from a distance but who is one of the 8,000 or so supporters who pays a monthly contribution to get the club into fan ownership) it depresses me that we have heard so little from HMFC.
My take on things are that if there is no meaningful action  from HMFC on the Rangers/Sevco situation (once the BDO appeal is settled) then I will be walking away from FoH. I am not interested in who owns HMFC if we have to accept this intolerable situation whereby Scottish football governance is  a sham and  the game is run for the benefit of one club.
It’s sadly predictable that CFC don’t appear to be too willing to do anything about Res12 – can anyone think of any other business (other than Scottish football) where there is  a prima facie case of a  business losing millions of pounds in revenue because of the unacceptable behaviour of it’s biggest competitor – and nothing is done ? Is the behavior of the football “authorities” not an abrogation of responsibility and anti competitive ?
How can the football business be immune from scrutiny and external governance ? To my mind (Scottish) football needs external governance because it cannot be trusted (could it ever ?) to act fairly and impartially. It demonstrably acts against the interest of its member clubs and its customers. What other regulatory body in the business world would get away with this ?
But this is Scotland. There is no mention of any of this in the media – or if it is mentioned , it’s spun in such a way that you can’t trust a word that is printed.
At the outset I was annoyed that CFC supporters were somewhat relaxed about the idea that CFC should pick up the gauntlet and start to challenge the SFA/SPL on the various issues we have discussed over that last 4 years. I do feel that Celtic has , by far, suffered the biggest financial losses. But from a business pint of view, CFC seem unwilling to (at least,  publicly) have the “authorities” address this ? Celtic don’t need to crusade on behalf of Scottish football (I did originally feel otherwise, as I felt this was the most lilely scenario to get the changes we all want) but surely they should be doing so to protect their own (business) interests ? Please don’t misunderstand me : I’m not anti CFC and certainly not  anti fans of CFC but I am amazed at how little CFC seems to have done in the last 4 years.
I can’t help feeling that if this was Barca/Real or Liverpool/Man U we were talking about that the media in Scotland wouldn’t be reporting it somewhat differently. In the case of Scotland it seems there is barely a mention of it (and not without spin).

So to return to my original point : HMFC and Ann Budge should be thinking about where we are really at.
It’s all well and good pontificating on the behaviour of rival fans or the fiasco of the League Cup format. I want to see HMFC talking about the things that REALLY matter. To us all who care about football.

Look Back to Look Forward
They  focused instead on the ‘legitimacy’ of the tax dodge, and not on whether it was legitimate!
They focused on the legitimacy of the tax dodge to deflect us all from the flagrant AND PERSISTENT Breach of SFA rules.

The “title stripping ” (or not) debate arise from the breach of SFA rules , not any conviction for tax dodging.

Am I right ?

John Clark Meets “The SFA”

I had a wee chuckle at your post and thought “we are not alone”. “we” being Hearts fans.

It got to the stage where Hearts fans were so cheesed off with this approach that there used to be regular threads over on Kickback inviting fans to suggest their own tabloid headline for any upcoming match against Celtic/Rangers (RIP).
Like you, us Jambos had become weary of the same old predictable dross being printed about a Hearts player possibly on the move to one of the Glasgow clubs – always just before the game , of course.

That aside, we also suffered from the disbelieving , incredulous Glasgow media who seemed incapable of reporting on HMFC  without resorting to the “Mad Vlad” headline. In retrospect , they may claim the moral high ground on this but Vlad didn’t help himself when he openly criticized the state of Scottish football and the corruption therein , coupled with the Glasgow press lackeys who were happy to go along with it. Their vilification of Miko in the aftermath of the Davisgate scandal was an utter disgrace . But then you could hardly expect them to comment adversely on a (another ?) disgraceful refereeing performance which benefited Rangers – much easier to gloss over that and focus on Miko.

Speaking of “Mad Vlad” – for some reason , despite the ludicrous claims emanating from Ibrox over the last 4 years (and have these claims been any more credible than Mad Vlad’s “visionary statements”, LOL ?) there seems to be a complete lack of “mad” at Ibrox. At least Vlad actually got HMFC into the Champions League (OK, 3rd qualifying round). How long for Rangers ? 

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