Three Shakes … and a Twist

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FI do not know when the news will be released …

Comment on Three Shakes … and a Twist by valentinesclown.

FI do not know when the news will be released publicly, and I do not know the exact outcome yet either. However, this is unfolding as we would expect. The amount that went through EBTs for MIH companies (obviously excluding Rangers) is just about £11m. This includes over £6m for David Murray himself.

The MIH exposure is obviously not huge then. The next biggest beneficiary who is not a Rangers employee received less than £800k.

The company (various subsidiaries) will be responsible for paying the tax bills in the first instance. As MIH is still going, it will be Lloyds that will effectively pick up most of the MIH bill.
As Rangers have no means of covering bills, it is quite possible for HMRC to go after individuals- including players.

If MIH have a significant liability it will be clear that the panel agrees with HMRC that the entire Murray usage of the scheme was a sham. By this I mean that a significant MIH bill would mean that the panel was not requiring evidence of a contractual basis on an individual transaction basis. Under these conditions, Rangers’ bill would be large. Very large. Of course, we do not know this to be the case yet.

The other biggest factor in determining the bill is whether the FTT contributions are considered net of tax or gross of tax. To explain in detail, Rangers contributed about £49m to staff through EBTs. If this is considered before tax, then the bill would be at most £24.5m (before interest). If considered after tax, the bill would be as high as £49m (before interest).

Justice would require a bill approaching £49m as this was the economic benefit obtained from using the scheme. (If they had paid tax, they would have had to find an extra £49m). However, on some legal technicalities, it is quite possible (even likely) that the payments will be ruled to be pre-tax i.e. we just take roughly half of the amount as the tax bill.

Interest is likely to roughly double the amount of the underpayment. So we can expect to see bills of anywhere from £16-49m plus that again in interest. Any result in this range would be conclusive proof that Rangers were engaged in cheating on a huge scale.rom RTC.


I am right in saying that a punishment in the way of a fine will follow, if found guilty.

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He is nearly right with a fictitious character but the wee boy with the big nose may be closer to the mark. Oh by the way newco financially sound..

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Found article below in Scotsman. Surely they must be mistaken about Charlie Says.

Or maybe the penny is beginning to drop.


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