Three Shakes … and a Twist

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ordinaryfan says:
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 at 11:01

I received a reply from Show Racism The Red Card

When racist / sectarian incidents are thought to have occurred at football matches we liaise closely with football authorities and clubs, and are proactive in promoting our strong anti racism / anti-sectarianism stance in the media. Unfortunately, we are not a policy making body, we are an educational charity, therefore, if you would like to make a formal complaint you would need to contact the Scottish Football authorities and/or the Police.


I think SRTRD is a waste of space. Honestly do.

we are an educational charity……..well, I wonder how they educate the people of scotland on the subject of racism

if you see someone being racially abused, don’t do or say anything, it’s not your job. Let someone else do something. Don’t challenge the person, don’t speak out and criticise them, don’t defend the people being abused and don’t raise awareness of the incident with the police and scottish football – 2 bodies that SRTRD deal with on a weekly (if not daily) basis

spineless, gutless, leaderless, pointless – much like scottish footballs governing bodies.

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Three Shakes … and a Twist
@DavidHughes45 As a Sevco director he will be locked in for 12 months after the share issue IIRC.


this is true -IF HE TAKES SHARES

but he is on a salary with a bonus based on 10% of the total amount raised on share floatation – then he is outta there, off to barca to hear the CL music!

Three Shakes … and a Twist
CG restates that TRFC will not play in SPL while he’s CEO.
If they get promoted he’ll ask the fans what they want.If they want promotion,he’ll not be CEO.
He’ll not “forgive or forget” what the SPL did to RFC,


i see he goes on about talk or reconstruction…..not sure what form, but assume it refers to league reconstruction with the SFL/SPL/SFA doing some kinda merge

Fair enough

However, are the clubs involved going to sack all their boards/senior managers?

If not, if Chuckles gets his team into the top flight league reorg, then it’ll still be the same teams, same chairmen, same CEO’s that are making the decisions

I take it “forgive and forget” refers only to the body known as the SPL and not the people behind it who actually made the decisions?

will he go into a new topflight against these team?

also, when will he name the rest of the good guys/bad guys – who had a glint in their eye

why is this ar5ehole given the oxygen of publicity. Feck sake, can this just end so the bears can greet about being fleeced once again.

a fool and their money is soon parted, can we please just get on with it so i can laugh my fecking c0ck of at them when it does. Let them believe what they want to believe.

Three Shakes … and a Twist
Just on the topic of adverts……..

Adverts don’t bother me in the slightest. I think it is best to get everyone to contribute and voice their opinions. Adblocker and such like does a great job of stripping the adverts out of most of my web pages and i am not atuned to ignoring them.

I think this is the most inclusive way for getting people to continue to view and contribute to the site.

I would support this move as the least hassle way forward for TSFM and the other moderators of the blog.

However, if that doesn’t cover things, then if the technology allows, is it possible to make the blog visible to anyone as read only, but if you want to contribute there should be a monthly/annual fee.

The blog could pick a football related charity – I’d be inclined to say show racism the red card, but to be honest, their action over the Famine Song leaves me less than impressed with the organisation. So maybe something like sponsoring a youth/kids team or even a league or a competition – would depend how much money was in the pot at the end of the year.


Just some thoughts.

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Why We Need to Change
This one AmFearLiathMòr?

Beadie v Aberdeen

(By outside the D, do you mean inside the penalty box?!! )

Why We Need to Change
I see the subject of Gate Sharing raised it’s head again in the last few days….great topic.

I seem to remember one of the Jambo boys doing a great analysis of this back in RTC days

I think we need to establish what we are hoping to achieve by going down a “gate sharing” route.

It’s easy to say we are spreading/equalising the income for clubs and levelling the playing field, but it’s not that straight forward

Some clubs like St J, Hibs, Celtic (and increasingly many others in the modern scottish game) are run responsibly and will pay off debts, balance the books, improve infrastructure whilst some other clubs are absolute basket cases and will blow it on buying any passing player who will prop them up for a few months (yes Sevco, you!!!)

So, guidance needs to be put in place

I suggest we want clubs to target the following criteria (for example only – i haven’t thought this through entirely)

1. Financial stability – adopting some form of FFP model where clubs must, on the whole, break even – something like break even over a 3 season period – allowing an overspend one year to be balanced out in subsequent years, strict controls on wage to turnover ratios, maybe even a wage cap based on turnover

2. Player development – clubs should be encouraged to develop their own youth players…ideally scottish players, but in reality it doesn’t matter, if they can scout, sign and develop a 14-17 year old Bulgarian who comes through into the 1st team, then fine. But, the pathway should be for youngsters coming through the ranks and into the 1st team rather than the previously flawed models of trying to buy players in (which is a much rarer event outwith Celtic these days) or paying over the jobs for journeymen players looking for a payday.

Following on from that though, for the benefit of the domestic game, i think clubs should also be rewarded for playing domestic reared players – i.e. keeping talent developed in scotland in scotland.

3. Finally, clubs should be rewarded based on their on field performance.

now that we have established some loose criteria for what we need clubs to do to be successful and therefore rewarded with real cash money, we need to find that money.

The subject of gate sharing is a hard one for fans to swallow, but it is undeniable that the scottish game was mush more competitive when gates were shared.

So, lets not start there, lets start with UEFA money!

Celtic get approx £20M for reaching the CL group stages. Alone, that far outstrips the income of many clubs, so why not “tax” it.

Lets take 50% of all UEFA monies and through it into a “prie pot” (Europa monies will go into the prize pot too, i’m not suggesting just Celtic fund this)

Then, lets put a “tax” on transfers – say 10% of all transfer fees received goes into the prize pot.

Then onto the subject of “gate sharing” Instead of splitting the gate 50/50 with the opponent on the day, I suggest we start more modestly. in the 1st year, lets take 10% of the ticket income for the year (ST’s or walk up) and throw that into the prize pot as well. it can be ramped up to 50% over a number of seasons.

Into the prize pot goes all the other commercial income generated by the league – TV, sponsorship deals etc.

that then gives us a big pot of cash

That can then be divided up based on the earlier criteria – run a tight financial ship, bring through a lot of youngsters and play a lot of scottish players and do well in the league and you could get more than the team that wins the league but had huge debts, no youth players and full of foreigners.

Over a period of 10 years, this would hugely level the playing field in Scotland, we’d see much more competition, we should see more stability at clubs as they manage finances better and we should hopefully see a lot more youngsters come through – and reach the quality that is needed to improve the quality of the game overall.

Anyway, that is my thoughts on the subject (and i guess that is why my name was not mentioned in the list of posters that were missed!!)

Why We Need to Change
“He latest post suggests that 30,000 STs will bring in a modest £5.4M after deduction of VAT. That would mean an average £180 per ST.”

naw, 30k tickets at £225, less 20% VAT = 5.4M

I guess you have to factor in the number of concession tickets into that equation….that will severely hamper the ave ticket price.

Pretty sure from last accounts the ave st price was about £225 – so, i’d expect it to be 5% higher this year as they stated (4% after VAT!)

Why We Need to Change
Hola SFM community

1st off, I applaud and welcome moves by Big Pink to grow the blog/forum and it’s influence. You have to keep moving forward or die.

Having said that, i think you may be over reaching with such a broad remit.

Football is the worlds biggest sport and you will have a huge potential audience sticking to it.

it’s what all the current contributors know and love and talk about, and it would be easier to expand the forum to capture similar fans and fans concerns about the game by reaching out with a English FM, Welsh FM, Irish FM and Northern Irish FM.

From there, the topics of UEFA, FIFA and comps like WCs, Euro championships, qualifiers and even global rules changes can be discussed and moaned over….such as the controversial “tv evidence” debate and the more controversial “UEFA CL” money/allocation of places/seedings debates.

Then you could look to going truly international on football – sticking to the sport we all know and love

Or you could look to go into other UK & Ireland based sports – sticking to the “domestic” audience (i am expecting a few complaints from Irish for being lumped in with the UK there!)

Either way, once you had proven that you could 1st of all expand the remit from Scottish to UK/Irish football, you could then push to expand and repeat the process again.

Small, organic steps, learning as you go. I am sure this would bring in reasonable income through sponsorship/subscriptions/advertisement.

(buy hey, it’s your ball, your vision, i am just giving you my thoughts and you can take them on board or push on with your own plans)

Eventually, i think you could reach your aims of international/independent sports fair play watch dog/sounding board/rallying point for action.

As for going forward, I think your radio show should do a daily/weekly round up of “what the papers said”

Basically taking the main stories from the MSM and tearing it to shreds….invite the writers of the articles in to defend themselves, contact the clubs/players/agents/authorities involved and ask them for a comment on the article and on TSFM’s analysis of the puff piece and set up weekly polls asking fans of all clubs to give their feedback on the story/analysis to show how fans are displeased with the sports coverage we are getting.

you could also have (less frequent) analysis of punishments handed out by the authorities – and compare/contrast the punishments/circumstances handed out by the same and other governing bodies. This could be sent onto the national associations and uefa/fifa for their comment.

Also, if you really want to move forward, i honestly believe the format of the forum needs to change into a more traditional forum format with a thread for each topic/blog and comments related to the blog compartmentalised within it – it would allow a greater number of threads to be discussed simultaneously and interested parties to follow the blog/topic of their interest.

Lastly, apologies for being a random reader/contributor the past 16 months, the arrival of number 2 child has brought it’s own challenges on my free time and i find twitter makes it easier for me to keep up to date on the latest shenanigans, even if it does mean i miss out on the great detailed analysis/opinion this site carries on the subject matter.

Whatever way you go, good luck.

(EDIT to add – only 4 comments? WTF? I assume my history has been wiped due to inactivity at some point!! oh well.)

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scarecrow666 says:
April 19, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
April 19, 2015 at 11:24 am
Then, there would be the ability to see all 90 mins of every game on delayed transmission for something like £30 a month.
Sorry, but unless you were covering all of scottish sport not just football that would be utter s@#t value for money. Sky sports packages range from £20-30 per month giving you lots of channels with different sports. Setanta struggled at £10 per month and that included Dutch league football. How could you possibly justify £30 per month for delayed streaming twice a week for only scottish matches ?

Quick look at the sky website tells me the cost of sky sports will be £47 a month

Ok, maybe £30 a month is too steep for just the Scottish game – but for that price, there is no reason why they could not also buy rights for other countries games/sports too. Or even still, reduce it to say £20 a month.

As the only outlet to watch Scottish games, i’m sure it’ll be OK7

As for Setanta, i believe they were doing fine until they went toe to toe with Sky and started buying up EPL rights and games for England internationals. It was that overspend and the comparative lack of subscribers that done for them.

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