Guest Post by James Forrest
Those who like to read the techno-thrillers of Tom Clancy will remember well the scene in The Sum of all Fears, when the nuclear bomb explodes in Denver, outside the stadium where the Super Bowl is being played. Clancy handles the moment in two very distinct chapters. The second is a vivid and frightening examination of the explosion’s terrible effects as they are felt, firstly in Denver and then experienced around the world.
Before that, he devotes an entire chapter to the mechanics of the explosion itself. Chapters like this are either what attract readers to Clancy in the first place or turn them off entirely. It is technical, it is complex, and the layman who reads it and fully understands it is indeed a massive geek. Of all the times he has loaded the reader with technical detail, this is probably when he risked most in terms of keeping you interested in the story. Yet it works. The chapter is not long, but nor is it short. And the events in it span not seconds but fractions of a second
It was in that chapter I first learned the term “shake”, so named for the old aphorism “a shake of a lamb’s tail”. A “shake” is a term used in nuclear physics. It represents ten nanoseconds. To grasp fully the size of that, consider that there are a billion nanoseconds in a second. The chemical process involved in a nuclear detonation involves a number of “shakes”, with a chain reaction usually completed in 50.
Clancy’s decision to devote an entire chapter of the book to a few nanoseconds came back to me over and over again during the weeks and months of the Rangers crisis. It became clear to me that, drawn out though the events following administration were, what we were seeing was not the effect of the explosion but the explosion itself. Those months were our nanoseconds. Every day, every revelation, every moment we thought was a separate event, was merely a peek inside the bomb case, at the chemical process of a chain reaction.
I would say the chain reaction was completed on the day HMRC announced they were refusing the CVA proposal. That was the detonation. It’s only now we’re witnessing the explosion, and its effects, and in my view we are still a long way from the end of that process. We have had the initial double flash thermal pulse and we’ve seen some EMP effects, but the real damage is still to come. The shock wave and the fireball have yet to spread, and their cumulative effects could yet annihilate Ibrox and extend as far as Hampden.
Am I making claims of “financial Armageddon”? No, I’m not. I never believed the collapse of Rangers would devastate Scottish football. I thought then, and now, that it was scaremongering nonsense to even suggest it. It didn’t matter to me whether the authorities were spreading those stories because of a deep-seated love of the Ibrox club, or because they had bonuses at stake, or out of their own internal, personal weaknesses. Those stories were inconsistent, based on worst case scenarios which were never likely to materialise, and insulting. The notion that the game in this country amounts to no more than one or two teams is offensive.
I love football. I always have. I’m a Celtic supporter, but my interests in the game extend far beyond my own club. At its best, football is a tremendous unifier of people, from those wonderful stories about Christmas Day in the trenches of World War I to the matches organised every year between Palestinian and Israeli children. The game has the potential for tremendous good. I am proud that my own club’s supporters have honoured the dead of Hillsborough and Ibrox. I am proud they unfurled a banner to the Benfica player Miklos Feher, and invaded Seville and showed that city how to party. I am proud of every moment when the supporters of a club applauded an injured player, or staged a silence to honour an official or competitor at another team. Although there are some who would use this sport in a divisive way, who would hijack it for their own ends, I believe this game can still be an inspiration, and find the best in all of us.
I think what happened during this summer, as the fans of every club in the land made their voices heard, was one of the greatest moments in Scottish football’s recent history. I believe it will have an impact far beyond one season. I think it was special.
My concern, as I’ve said, is that the appalling effects of the detonation at Ibrox are still to be fully realised. I am worried about the impact they could yet have on all of us.
Let me be quite specific about the two things that worry me most. They are to do with the decision to grant Sevco/Rangers a license to play in the Scottish Football League this year.
First, I believe the license was granted without sufficient guarantees being given by Charles Green and others that they would respect the decisions taken by the independent judiciary panel of the SPL in relation to EBTs, and secondly, I am concerned that not enough is known about Green and his financial backers, or plans for Rangers, for the authorities to be satisfied that the club is in good financial health. I don’t believe for one second anyone can allay my fears in these two areas. It is obvious to all that due diligence has not been done, and the entire situation at Rangers/Sevco is still shrouded in doubt, and that anything may yet happen.
The independent panel investigating dual contracts is going to have to make the most momentous decision in the history of the game in the UK. I do not believe what Rangers are accused of has any precedent. We are talking about a decade or more in which the results of every single match might be in doubt. Every single game. The rules were not written to envision such an appalling breach of faith. It would seem almost inevitable that stripping of titles will be the smallest of Charles Green and Ally McCoist’s concerns if this verdict goes against them.
Frankly, I don’t see an alternative to suspending Rangers membership of football in this country for at least two years, with points deductions and monetary fines to follow when the suspension period is done. This is not harsh; in fact it falls far short of the maximum penalty, which is expulsion from the game altogether, and as it is the authorities are going to have to do a damned good job of setting out the reasons why that ultimate sanction is not applied. It will not be enough to say it would damage the game in Scotland to wipe the club away. To allow a decade of malfeasance to pass without that ultimate sanction would create the perception that Rangers is above the law, and I cannot think of anything that would do the game more harm than for any club to be considered too big, or too important, to be subject to the regulations.
With their money on the table, I don’t see any way Charles Green and his cohorts will accept the judgement of the independent panel if it has an impact on their plans to recoup their investments. With the way he’s rallied the Rangers fans behind him recently, by essentially talking about a conspiracy against them, I don’t see how he convinces them to accept sanctions, even if he personally was inclined to do so. He has painted himself into a corner where now, if he wants his money at all, he has to fight, and keep on fighting. Without the written guarantee that the club would accept whatever the panel decides, without recourse to the law, I will be shocked if this matter doesn’t end up in the courts somewhere down the line, because I don’t think for one second he signed up to that particular demand.
I think the SFA backed down on this, the most fundamental matter of them all.
Which isn’t to say the due diligence matter isn’t worrying, because, of course, it is. Again, no-one is going to convince me that the SFA has conducted proper due diligence on Charles Green and his backers. No-one will convince me they are satisfied that this club is in safe hands, and that the game in this country will not be rocked by a further implosion at Ibrox. They failed to properly investigate Craig Whyte, because of lax regulations requiring disclosure from the club itself, regulations which are just a joke, but they can be forgiven for that as the press was talking sheer nonsense about him having billions at his disposal, and a lot of people (but not everyone!) were either convinced or wanted to be convinced by him.
To have witnessed what Whyte did, to have witnessed the Duff & Phelps “process” of finding a buyer, and having Green essentially emerge from nowhere, with a hundred unanswered questions as to his background and financing, for the SFA to have given this guy the go ahead, only for it to blow up in their faces later, would annihilate the credibility of the governing body and necessitate resignations at every level. There would be no hiding place.
At an early stage in the Rangers crisis, a couple of people told me they thought the club would not play football for at least a year. I told them of all the possible scenarios that was the most unlikely, because I honestly could see no way back for them once they had gone. There is no precedent I am aware of, anywhere, for a football club taking a “year out” only to return. Certainly, in the context of the Scottish game I didn’t see how it could be done without creating one almighty shambles, or by bending the rules until the elastic snapped.
Yet I’ve since become convinced that it was the correct course of action. The club calling itself Rangers FC is still in a state of flux. The issues still surrounding it are enormous and potentially devastating. There are any number of ways in which the entire edifice could utterly collapse. The liquidators and HMRC could yet challenge the takeover, or the coming share issue. Craig Whyte may yet emerge and take a claim to the courts. The share issue itself could be an utter failure, leaving the club unable to meet annual running costs. All of this, even without the vast effects of the EBT case, which has the potential to wash the whole club away.
Had Rangers been out of the game for a year, these issues could have been properly explored, dealt with and put behind them, and the game as whole.
Of course, it’s just possible that the worst is over. It’s possible that this particular nuclear detonation, like the one is The Sum of All Fears, is an enormous “fizzle”, that the appalling destruction unleashed will not be on the thermonuclear level which could obliterate our hopes of a fresh start, of forward motion for the whole game. It might be that everything at Ibrox is hunky-dory, that this, all I’ve written, is the product of a febrile imagination, on the same level as the financial Armageddon nonsense we spent the summer hearing about.
It may well be, but only if the people who’ve been right all along have suddenly gotten it wrong. The evidence all points to something big, and bad, coming this way.
The smart folks will be hunkering down in their shelters for a while yet.
James is a co-editor of the Famous Tartan Army Magazine, latest issue out 17th October (digital, and free), featuring women’s football
torrejohnbhoy says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 10:38
Charlie says Rangers rising as a “Phoenix”
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Freudian slip!
According to Charlie.new PLC board after share issue will consist initially of Brian Stockbridge & him.
Fans can have a place on the “Football Club” board.
bill1903
Where’s Whytey when you need him
Discrepancies of between 6-10k in attendances between Police & CGs figs are due to people in Hospitality etc.(CG says the police wouldn’t have those figures).
Also says he’s been paying European debt!
Imran Amhed introduced him to CW who introduced him to D&P.
He understands Our Hero is suing him.
torrejohnbhoy says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 10:47
Discrepancies of between 6-10k in attendances between Police & CGs figs are due to people in Hospitality etc.(CG says the police wouldn’t have those figures).
Also says he’s been paying European debt!
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So they are allowed to breach H&S legislation aswell!
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=10730
CG said he has met TGEG 4 times and that he had been introduced to D and D by him.
Also called the SFA “drunk” for their handling of situation.
LOL
campsiejoe says:
Sunday, October 28, 2012 at 23:32
The advantage of the paypal route, is that it might, just might discourage the trolls
If even 250 of us paid £10 per year, that is a reasonable sum for the upkeep of the blog
TSFM why don’t you have a TU/TD on the paypal proposal ?
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If there was a charge of even £10 per year you will never attract any new members, if any of us logged onto a site for the first time and it asked for a membership fee you would be very unlikely to pay it.
Some existing members will drop off naturally and most people who only read but dont post would also in my opinion be unlikely to pay for access.
Whether it means accepting advertising or not I don think it must remain free to anyone who want to post or read.
Father Murphy says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 09:51
TSFM
Regarding funding, I have always thought that advertising would have been a good way for, the RTC site and now this one, to raise money for charity.
I would have no problem with advertisements down the sides, but I must admit I hate pop ups.
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Completely agree re the pop ups. Also, no automatically playing video or music would be good. :-). STV are really bad for that!
I’d also be more than happy to make a contribution if it would help move to the new software.
Jackanory time on talksport ……. This guy actually believes sevco will be playing champions league music at ibrox!! Lol 🙂
chris shields (@chrisshields10) says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 10:51
Discrepancies of between 6-10k in attendances between Police & CGs figs are due to people in Hospitality etc.
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Obviously a very hospitable club!
Ads are OK with me but I also wouldn’t mind making an additional voluntary contribution if required.
& well done to Killie for a fabulous result on Saturday. My Killie supporting chum told me there was a sharp intake of collective breath when Sheridan rounded the keeper on Saturday, not quite believing he would score!
Here’s to a more competitive SPL in the best sporting spirit!
A note on Jock Stein, he was eventually nominated for a CBE, which he accepted.
Apologies for the oxymoron…”voluntary” and “required” but you know what I meant! 🙂
scottc says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 11:01
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I try and avoid the STV site just because of that.It’s so annoying.
A couple of wee ads is not a problem.
cg says again…while im ceo…the rangers will not – play in the spl
Rangers WILL NOT play in the SPL while Charles Green is there
http://www.talksport.co.uk/listenagain
the interview will be on this link later
best quote so far
“I may be Green but I’m not a cabbage”
maybe he’s a lettuce
lettuce steal your club,lettuce con the fans, lettuce pick your pockets
or maybe he’s full of pea
he’s on about – well know, advanced plans for restructuring spl and sfl
CG restates that TRFC will not play in SPL while he’s CEO.
If they get promoted he’ll ask the fans what they want.If they want promotion,he’ll not be CEO.
He’ll not “forgive or forget” what the SPL did to RFC,
So, basically a radio channel providing him with a platform to play to the crowd and bolster the share issue.
The Cardigan Consortium(Jim McColl & Douglas Park with WS.) could not complete their deal!
Probably not enough cash.
He’s just finished with 2 quotes.
I’m not leaving till TRFC are in the champions league
TRFC will not play in the SPL while I’m CEO.
Does one not lead to the other!
They’ve had requests for £21 million pounds of shares but even if it only turns out to be £11 million its still a brilliant response he says 😀
(I’d better tell him I’ve changed my mind)
Andy Gray needs a bib!!
Talk Sport Charles Green states that he is Nanny McPhee..
He is nearly right with a fictitious character but the wee boy with the big nose may be closer to the mark. Oh by the way newco financially sound..
Hi All,
I posted maybe 4 or 5 times on RTC and maybe twice on here. Even so, I still read the posts almost every day. I too wouldn’t mind putting up with ads or donating optionally via a paypal button. I don’t think it would be fair however to have to have made a payment before a post can be written.
One fear I have for the site however and I hope it won’t be true is that if and when the rangers saga is finally over ( it must come someday ) a lot of the excellent Celtic minded writers that contribute to the site will slowly drift away.
CG restates that TRFC will not play in SPL while he’s CEO.
If they get promoted he’ll ask the fans what they want.If they want promotion,he’ll not be CEO.
He’ll not “forgive or forget” what the SPL did to RFC,
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i see he goes on about talk or reconstruction…..not sure what form, but assume it refers to league reconstruction with the SFL/SPL/SFA doing some kinda merge
Fair enough
However, are the clubs involved going to sack all their boards/senior managers?
If not, if Chuckles gets his team into the top flight league reorg, then it’ll still be the same teams, same chairmen, same CEO’s that are making the decisions
I take it “forgive and forget” refers only to the body known as the SPL and not the people behind it who actually made the decisions?
will he go into a new topflight against these team?
also, when will he name the rest of the good guys/bad guys – who had a glint in their eye
why is this ar5ehole given the oxygen of publicity. Feck sake, can this just end so the bears can greet about being fleeced once again.
a fool and their money is soon parted, can we please just get on with it so i can laugh my fecking c0ck of at them when it does. Let them believe what they want to believe.
Another wee point:
CG says they paid the bills whilst D&P were in charge.Is so,how did they lose £4m 🙁
Chucky Cheese on talksport, courtesy Amac on CM.
http://soundcloud.com/jinkylarsson/charles-green-on-keys-and-gray
The easiest thing in the world is to tell your audience what they want to hear, especially when it is their money you are after. It’s a bit like going along to see your favourite band and they begin byplaying their all new and unreleased stuff. The audience get restless, start shifting around in their seats and become impatient. The band then launch into the fans favourire tracks and everone is happy again, and afterwards are even encouraged enough to go out and buy the soon to be released album. Does this sound familiar?
CG is working his audience really well, his problem may be that the new album release doesn’t come quick enough, and events overtake him.
Re: Funding
I haven’t done any TU or TD on the issue as just picking up on it. If the adverts are no hassle to pick up and do not involve a great deal of admin and chasing round for Monitors then I think it’s the simple option. That said I hate pop ups or having to watch videos. I would be happy to donate as well but that means having to set up Paypal account which is what if it was required to access would put some folk, easy access is the key here.
In terms of types of adverts I do not want to see , I cannot speak for the likes of DTS, Angus, Mr Clark, allyjambo, Danish & Wottpi and others to numerous to mention but ma boobies big enough, it doesnae need pills fir encouragement and I’m already married and not on the look out for a bride from Eastern Europe! Maybe says more aboot the sites I’ve heard aboot, not been on you understand.:)
I thought religion was off limits on here?…..There have been far too many “Paypal” references today!….lol
What a trip this has been.
I remember reading about some kind of tax case back on Kerrydale Street at the tail end of 2009.
Back then it was just speculation and it’s significance was poo- pooed by some of the regulars on there.
We all knew about Rangers financial woes and many thought they would see a sticky end over the Lloyds debt. Surely this tax case talk was just wishful thinking. Never in many of our wildest dreams did we think at that stage that it would end up in a multi million pound tax bill and the death of Rangers.
But then it came slowly trickling out. Snippets of what was happening could be found on places like Celtic Underground and Kerrydale Street.
Then just a few months later Darrell King first broke the story gently to the mainstream in the Evening Times, something which was quickly followed up by some altogether more vigorous reportage and analysis from Phil Macgiollabhain.
Then at the end of March last year we saw the introduction of the wonderful, award winning Rangers Tax Case blog- the only place to go, pre ‘Timmy’ Thomson, along with Phil, Paul McConville and CQN, if you wanted to get the truth about the unfolding Rangers saga.
The truth that Rangers death occurred before the tax result was announced should not detract from the fact that the reason they are dead is because of David Murray’s malpractice, acting as he did as some kind Byzantine despot.
In the coming weeks we shall see the mainstream media deny and deflect as they attempt to protect their shamed and disgraced Emperor and pin all of the blame onto Craig Whyte.
These very journalists however are complicit in the death of what was one of Scotland’s two great footballing powerhouses- a name, for better or for worse, that known all across the globe, a club who were a part of one of the greatest sporting rivalries on Planet Earth.
There’s not much in Rangers history that I would applaud, but nevertheless it cannot be denied that they were one of Scotland’s two titan football clubs, which is why supporters throughout Scotland- whether they be Celtic, East Fife or Civil Service Strollers supporters- have been fascinated and awed by the demise of this ugly giant.
From a titan to the titanic, in the space of a few short years. Think about that.
Some detractors might call this obsession.
However the story and it’s many strands of sub plots has been utterly captivating, and as we reach the end, there are still three major chapters left to be written.
The FTT(T) result
The SPL inquiry
The future of the new club
In my opinion, the FTT result, which I believe some people who may frequent this blog have seen, will be a devastating indictment on David Murray’s reign at Rangers.
This will result in trophies being stripped from the Rangers history Charles Green was so keen to acquire, and will have deep ramifications on any Glaswegian professional football entity that chooses to call itself Rangers in the years to come.
It’s at this stage, now, that I would like to express a huge thank you to those responsible for breaking the truth and telling the story like it really was.
Rangers Tax Case, Phil Macgiollabhain, Paul Brennan, Paul McConville, Alex Thomson and numerous other commentators and bods on various forums have opened up the story and exposed the rotten underbelly of a club that prided itself on what has now been incontrovertibly uncovered as absolute fiction: their misconceived conception that their club were imbued of a staunch, stout dignity.
The fact that the unpalatable truth has been laid bare for all to see should not stop Rangers fans thanking these commentators too, or at the very least to acknowledge that they should have opened their ears earlier, for these people- who they lambast as “enemies of Rangers”- were, in actual fact, the beacons that would warn them of the grave dangers that lay ahead.
If the Rangers supporters had been able to deal with the fact that it was ‘Timmy’ telling the news, and cast aside their prejudices, and listened, then perhaps they may have been able to revolt in a completely different way to the way that they achieved.
Because make no mistake about it: if I am being honest with you, the lunatic fringe of the Rangers support are truly revolting.
The intimidation, death threats, lack of contrition, and overwhelming hubris has painted a hideous and terrifying picture.
I’m not going to lie to you.
Those in positions of responsibility within Ibrox that stoked the flames should hang their heads in abject shame.
Of that there is no doubt.
But I know there are good Rangers supporters too.
Many of them.
Had they not been misled by their own in the press and blogosphere then perhaps, just perhaps, they may have had a chance- albeit small- to save their club.
Alas- for them- it was not to be; all they had for guidance outwith Celtic cyberspace were pretentious blowhards like Chris Graham whose defence of Whyte in his blog “Barmy Bloggers and the BBC” after Mark Daly’s expose of the googly eyed conman, should tell anyone all they need to know.
The poor wee lambs had become the sheeple; they gathered together in their pens, easily shephered by the likes of Jack Irvine, Ramsay Smith and their churnalist pals like Jackson, Keevins and Traynor, they covered their eyes and they hoped it would all just go away.
Even now the pitiful fools are being spoonfed ‘Greenbeams’ as Media House’s compliant lapdogs peddle stuff and nonsense about what will surely be a doomed share issue.
Still, at least they have Plan B: the sale and leaseback of their assets!
Reportage of the last three remaining chapters by the MSM will be desperate and their agenda will never have been clearer. But they will not succeed in their quest.
The landscape has changed.
Social media has allowed the supporters their voice- which has been proven to affect real change- all we have to do is look at the No To Newco campaign for evidence- and the dinosaurs at the red tops will have to adapt or ingloriously depart the scene once they have lost the final battles that are about to take place.
It’s already too late for some but there are others that can still choose to adapt and change.
It’s either that or face ending up in the gutter, next to their shamed former Emperor, Sir David ‘Minty’ Murray, scavenging amongst the filth, a million miles away from the days when they gorged together on the most succulent of lamb.
It’s their choice now, and frankly for most of them I don’t give a hoot: what’s important is that the bampots won and that David Murray’s bullish destruction of Rangers has not finished off Scottish football, which now awaits an exciting new era.
torrejohnbhoy says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 10:47
Discrepancies of between 6-10k in attendances between Police & CGs figs are due to people in Hospitality etc.(CG says the police wouldn’t have those figures).
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Interesting. A quick google comes up with an FOI request regarding a Celtic v Hibs game in April 2010. Official attendance was 29650. FOI request to Strathclyde Rozzer Dept gave a figure of “23673. No regulations have been compromised”. Figures from below links:
http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=126887
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/audience_attendance_of_football
I thought the Police would need to know the total attendance figure, but perhaps they wouldn’t need to account for 6000 gannets who are on “hospitality” for some reason? Beats me.
wolfman2011 (@CWolfman2011) says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 12:14
We Are the Paypal!
briggsbhoy says:
In terms of types of adverts I do not want to see
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Can I suggest we have both: a voluntary donation button but we also accept the principle of ads. If there was a little fund built up it would allow TSFM the luxury of being picky about what sort of ad (s)he allows and hopefully keep it as un-annoying as possible. Personally I hate anything that dances, flashes, flickers, pops up, hovers over, plays music, or features breasts.
I don’t know how these things are ever cost effective, as surely no-one ever clicks on them? The targetting is poor too – I keep getting ads for joining the Royal Marines and meeting Asian women. For several reasons I’m not a candidate for either.
Currently listening to Chuckles on radio. If someone who refers to himself in the third person not an indicator of a personality disorder?
In 1973 the incomprehensible pronouncements from a ginger cat named Charley warned children against strangers, matches, water safety and other everyday perils.
Having listened to this unfathomable interview today, with a man who, bewilderingly and constantly refers to himself in the third person. It’d be remiss of them if Sevco fans didn’t follow this prescient advice.
Charley says “Never go anywhere with a man or woman you don’t know!”
Couple of things with regard to the attendances.
1, Is something like 6,000 “hospitality” customers not quite high. If there was a crowd of say 45,000 at a game that would mean that over 13% of them weren’t actually paying to get in. That doesn’t seem like a particularly viable business model.
2, Why would it make any difference to the Police whether they had paid or not. Surely their figures will be for people who were there, regardless of whether they paid or not.
wolfman2011 (@CWolfman2011) says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 12:14
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I thought religion was off limits on here?…..There have been far too many “Paypal” references today!….lol
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I agree, the TSFM must be careful about encouraging Paypal contributions to this site. It will only convince Mr Dingwall that he was correct with his ‘church of Rome accusation’ all along. We may be green but we’re not cabbages.
PS briggsbhoy: Too much information about your ‘big boobies’ 🙂
“While I’m Chief Executive, Rangers will not play in the Scottish
Premier League.
“[If that situation arose], I would go out to the fans, as we did
earlier in the year, when they were consulted as to what division they wanted to play in. They wanted to play in the Third Division and we as investors listened to them and were happy to do that.
http://m.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/121029/exclusive-green-rangers-will-never-play-spl-while-im-charge-184094
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Aye Chucky, because that is EXACTLY the way it happened, isn’t it?
#FUD!
https://twitter.com/Paulmcc12
Paul McConville @Paulmcc12
@BartinMain @MTHForum @rangerstaxcase @mdkster Rumours that publication has been delayed as redactions were done in green marker are untrue
https://twitter.com/rangerstaxcase
Rangers Tax-Case @rangerstaxcase
Could some kind soul explain to me what Mr. Green is talking about? Is he saying that his salary is being paid in shares?
Rangers Tax-Case @rangerstaxcase
@walsh2509 He wants a medal for not taking a wage from February- when he had no right to one from Rangers and Sevco didn’t exist!
Rangers Tax-Case @rangerstaxcase
@DavidHughes45 As a Sevco director he will be locked in for 12 months after the share issue IIRC.
Mikey N @Fritz1875
@rangerstaxcase Greens slaverings are so full of cryptic nonsense and contradictions that i dont think anyone can explain what he says.
Rangers Tax-Case @rangerstaxcase
@Fritz1875 You win a prize! It is like he is padding a message for encryption- adding meaningless junk to help hide the real message.
Lord Wobbly says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 12:36
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So the Rangers fans got to decide. There was me thinking it was the SPL clubs and chairmen who rejected them. Then the SFL said OK, but you need to start in our lowest division.
Danish, see when you in a rush and doing thing on yir phone, Boobies! Oh dear was meant have been Bobie! One letter to many and I sound like a trani lol 🙂
briggsbhoy says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 12:56
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Danish, see when you in a rush and doing thing on yir phone, Boobies! Oh dear was meant have been Bobie! One letter to many and I sound like a trani lol
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Oui, mon ami 🙂
Speaking of which, did I just hear Green say he was paying Rangers admin bills before he bought the club?
Agrajag says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 12:34
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Couple of things with regard to the attendances.
1, Is something like 6,000 “hospitality” customers not quite high. If there was a crowd of say 45,000 at a game that would mean that over 13% of them weren’t actually paying to get in. That doesn’t seem like a particularly viable business model.
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Agrajag, I’d guess that this hospitality isn’t provided for free by SEVCO. It’ll come at a premium like all other football clubs’ hospitality.
Lord Wobbly says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 12:36
“… I would go out to the fans, as we did earlier in the year, when they were consulted as to what division they wanted to play in. They wanted to play in the Third Division and we as investors listened to them and were happy to do that.”
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What, he actually said that? Those words came out of his mouth? Shirley not.
And what’s this “we as investors” business? Quite apart from the complete fib he’s telling about why they ended up in Div 3, why say “we as investors” rather than “TRFC”?
Who is “we” if “we” doesn’t refer to TRFC?
So charlie will never be CEO in the spl because he can never forgive or forget what they done to him.
So charlie asked the fans what division they wanted to be in and when told it should be the 3rd division, he applied to be allowed to join.
So what exactly is it that charlie is upset about with the spl.
Just about every single news outlet in the UK has run with Jeff Winters comments regarding the accusation by Chelsea that referee Mark Clattenburg made racist comments. Yes that is the very same Jeff Winters who is currently under investigation by the Police for making anti-Catholic comments on his Blog. The man whose home was raided only 6 weeks ago as part of the investigation.
I’m just about ready to throw in the towel on football.
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Monday, October 29, 2012 at 13:12
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So charlie will never be CEO in the spl because he can never
forgive or forget what they done to him.
So charlie asked the fans what division they wanted to be in and when told it should be the 3rd division, he applied to be allowed to join.
So what exactly is it that charlie is upset about with the spl.
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For lumbering him with TRFC. He’d hoped to have been free of them by now.
HAR! HAR!
ordinaryfan says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 13:14
Nicky Campbell raised this with him on 5live this morning. Winters claimed sub judice, Campbell wasn’t convinced and dug him up a little more but Winters evaded. However, agree entirely that he is precisely the wrong choice for that particular topic. And, if you’ve seen what he write, he is clearly an inhabitant of the sectarian vanguard of Bears’ Den.
As for Chucky, his constant blatant lies and verbal diarrhoea prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is nothing but a con man. Anyone who trusts this man is a moron and it is only a matter of time before he robs Rangers Tribute Act supporters and does a runner. If they are happy to be conned by a man with “CONMAN” in neon lights above his head then let them get on with it.
MickyMince says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 13:24
write = wrote. Just like the past tense of jump is jamp 🙂
Thanks MickyMince, I will try to get a listen of it later if there’s a soundbite or catchup.
ordinaryfan says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 13:24
As for Chucky, his constant blatant lies and verbal diarrhoea prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is nothing but a con man. Anyone who trusts this man is a moron and it is only a matter of time before he robs Rangers Tribute Act supporters and does a runner. If they are happy to be conned by a man with “CONMAN” in neon lights above his head then let them get on with it.
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I lift this from follow follow, it is a post in it’s entirety.
“When you look up straight talking in the Oxford dictionary it says, see Charles Green.”
Agrajag: Well that’s £500 Green has conned and I have no sympathy with the “victim” whatsoever.
Danish Pastry says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 13:07
Speaking of which, did I just hear Green say he was paying Rangers admin bills before he bought the club?
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Sounded like it to me.
shirley the Police need the total bums on seats as opposed to the theoretical bums on seats where ST holders are counted regardless if they attend or not.
I think Winters has already claimed the comments weren’t from him & blamed another person.
Havent chuckles’s lawyers not told him to shut up about pre Sevco affairs, shadow director screams can be heard all over the minds of this blogs readers.
@DavidHughes45 As a Sevco director he will be locked in for 12 months after the share issue IIRC.
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this is true -IF HE TAKES SHARES
but he is on a salary with a bonus based on 10% of the total amount raised on share floatation – then he is outta there, off to barca to hear the CL music!
Humble Pie says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 12:31
Funny you mentioning that Charlie the cat, I recall the old learn to swim cartoon. The main characters first boyfriend reminds me of our good friend Chuckie because Dave was great, Dave (or was it Mike) could do anything but unfortuantely she found out he couldn’t swim. Chuckie I don’t think can swin either as he is clearly drowning in the situation he has found myself in. Thought he’d take a dip in the pool up to his ankles and now he’s gone into the deep end and finding he can’t get out.
The man is cleary bitter at the moment as his plan to buy Rangers and make a quick buck didn’t happen. You lot on here are all to blame of course I’m surprised he didn’t mention you.
Danish if he was paying Rangers admin fees before he even bought Rangers is that not an indication that this was all a set up.He will of course change his title from CEO to Director General when the time comes so he can enter the SPL. He’s a poor demented wee soul
So, he hasn’t collected a wage since February and only took one in the last two months.
Once again thanks for confirming your involvement since February 2012 Charles. So what was the whole charade about then. Why was it portrayed that your consortium came in at the last minute and made an offer Duff and Phelps couldn’t refuse. A meaningless loan to fund a non existant CVA, or a derisory sum to buy a load of assets seriously under value.
He’s saying the assets are worth £80m now apparently. Not bad for £5.5m. Particularly as doing it that way, with a new company and club, wipes away the debt associated with them.
NTHM – “this is true -IF HE TAKES SHARES”
I’m sure he also mentioned specifically in previous outbursts that he wouldn’t take any dividend either, A few posters here think the the Sevco debt is all loan & repayment based so technically no dividend.
As my mum says , “he must think we came up the clyde in a banana boat”
ddmc999: What does the banana boat reference mean? Am I being paranoid here?
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
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@DavidHughes45 As a Sevco director he will be locked in for 12 months after the share issue IIRC.
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this is true -IF HE TAKES SHARES
but he is on a salary with a bonus based on 10% of the total amount raised on share floatation – then he is outta there, off to barca to hear the CL music!
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Could you not make it Donetz, we might not be able to hear him from there.
Piece of gratuitous advice Mr Green, when you’re in a hole best to stop digging.
So, we are expected to believe that if /when Rangers gain promotion to the SPL, he will put it to some sort of plebiscite of the fans whether to accept the promotion or not? There’s a word which rhymes with plebiscite to describe this sort of nonsense. No doubt when that day dawns we will here no more about plebiscites, and lots about how they they are being forced to accept the promotion by the big bad SFA/SPL who can’t survive without Rangers, and how Mr Green, (assuming he is still there), will be staying on for the good of Queen and country
Sadly, the plebs will eat this plebiscite –ite up, t’would make you weep.
Agrajag says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 13:35
ordinaryfan says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 13:24
As for Chucky, his constant blatant lies and verbal diarrhoea prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is nothing but a con man. Anyone who trusts this man is a moron and it is only a matter of time before he robs Rangers Tribute Act supporters and does a runner. If they are happy to be conned by a man with “CONMAN” in neon lights above his head then let them get on with it.
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I lift this from follow follow, it is a post in it’s entirety.
“When you look up straight talking in the Oxford dictionary it says, see Charles Green.”
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And when you look up straitjacket it says “favoured attire of followers of Charles Green” 😀
ddmc999: What does the banana boat reference mean? Am I being paranoid here?
lol yes , she grew up in Glasgow during WW2 & bananas were non existant, they got mashed parsnip with banana essence & she didnt see a real banana until many years later, so the banana boat was a mythical entity.
Worthwhile revisiting some hard data
After weeks – BM and that with his team including KMPG evaluating data that proved `optimistic` was only able to put up a value of 11.2m to buy that club [with a full squad and in the SPL]
Worthwhile revisiting BM`s words of 20 April
Facts about my [BM] bid:
“Of the three qualified bidders, I am the only bidder who refused to entertain offers from Ticketus or engage in discussions with Craig Whyte. “It is difficult for me to see how any parties who were present when this awful situation was created can be a legitimate part of the solution.”
Recapping: 11.2m was the total PB value after 3 months of intensive marketing – and that fell through – unhindered by any `residuals`. The Cardigan couldn`t complete on 6m? – and10% of what exactly?
CGs numbers are let’s say questionable – even Bletchley couldn`t decipher this lot
Did the admins really run out of cash?!
ddmc999
Was that a banana boat with a stray cabbage in it
ddmc999: Sincerest apologies, I am born and bred in London, it is often used in a different way down here.
yourhavingalaugh says:
That banana boat wi the stray cabbage should steer clear of…icebergs
ouch…al get me little gem’s 🙂
youtawknaboot says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 14:24
This particular banana boat is anchored by The Tail o’ the Bank, awaiting towage to Inverkeithing for scrapping…
ddmc999 says:
Monday, October 29, 2012 at 14:14
ddmc999: What does the banana boat reference mean? Am I being paranoid here?
lol yes , she grew up in Glasgow during WW2 & bananas were non existant, they got mashed parsnip with banana essence & she didnt see a real banana until many years later, so the banana boat was a mythical entity.
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In the absence of sensible explanation, I’d always pictured that saying to mean some kind of big, hairy, scary spider.