Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns

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I simply want the titles won illicitly to be reviewed …

Comment on Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns by Finloch.

I simply want the titles won illicitly to be reviewed and reawarded perhaps with an asterisk to explain to future generations that the re-awards were retrospective and the reason for that.

I say this because all through the cheating years I was shelling out for three season books for my boys and me unaware that the most successful club were at it big time. 

Thats what would have happened in athletics where maybe they are more used to dealing with cheating.

The football world is wee and the vast majority of ex pros and reporters who pontificate to us on BBC Radio Shortbread and tv and in the various dying print titles will not break line because they fear for their future pay cheques.

I am also reminded of the fairly recent Spartans precedent when they were thrown out of the Scottish Cup for the heinous crime of not checking Keith Mcleod had signed the second page of his form. (This wee misdemeanor cost this club a bumper pay cheque that would have been worth nearly 50% of their annual budget)

Like many Scottish fans I just want fairness for all and that includes for Rangers and their fans.

Martin Hannan is calling it right and its worth a read.

The game won’t and can’t move on based on the ongoing cover up of one of our biggest

The fans memories will be here after Regan et al have long departed their overpaid jobs.

Finloch Also Commented

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
I was told a year or so after the dust from 2012 had settled that there had been a significant financial settlement between The Regan Doncaster Armageddon boys and the chairmen / clubs of the SPL as was.

If that was so it might explain some of the seeming current desire not to revisit old “agreements”.


Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
HOMUNCULUSJULY 15, 2017 at 11:29    
1, What’s wrong with solicitors in Arbroath. That’s a bit insulting.

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Scottish Football needs strong solicitors in Arbroath.


Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
BIG PINKJULY 10, 2017 at 10:07  I’m with AJ on redistribution of honours. In the case of the league it is possible to re-calculate results and positions, but it is possible to find a ‘true facts’ assessment only in the first year of any punishable wrongdoing, and the relegated club that year can’t feature in the following ‘true facts’ assessment, thus rendering it obsolete at the end of that first season. In other words, an unnavigable Sargasso. Likewise any knockout competition becomes unnavigable after the first round in which the defaulting club plays. Can’t award a cup to a losing finalist when every club on the way to the final was cheated.
Far better to set aside awards. Leave them blank. This also has the advantage of serving as a reminder for posterity that cheating is most definitely discouraged. Re-awarding honours could airbrush the cheating out of history after a time
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BP I fully understand the asterisk option you propose.
It is the easiest one and I totally get that after the first year its complicated if we try to replicate everything.

But if I was a QOS fan who lost in a cup final I’d want a little more because each and every year the competitions started anew and genuine bona fide operations and footballers were unknowingly thwarted by the SDM Ibrox doping machine. 

So I would prefer this.

1 Asterisks because these years we now know with certainty were not normal.

2 Asterisked re-awards in each and every competition.

So in each asterisked league Rangers would show as bottom club after we use the normal outcome of playing wrongly registered players and the league adjusted accordingly.

In each cup asterisked cup we’d get  Winners on the record books like Queen of the South*. 

Its not perfect but nothing will be perfect here and I think the team on each occasion who got closest should get the recognition they deserve.

Thats closer to how the athletics people would treat historical cheating.


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It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
I heard today that Craig Graham  the Spartans chairman is awarded an MBE in the New Year Honours list. 
I’m pleased for Craig and Spartans. 
Craig took a Corinthian and undisciplined club going nowhere fast, rooted it into a previously ignored community and has achieved some incredible health and social goals deep into that community using football as glue.
other clubs are now slowly learning from his vision and Scottish football is better for what he has done  
Yes he could have been and should have been knighted

but to paraphrase our old pal Red Lichtie
Scottish Football needs more Craig Graham’s. 


It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
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DECEMBER 20, 2017 at 09:04Given all the recent conjecture re PSC and potential new loans, I am still wondering what exactly it is that King is getting out of his involvement in T’Rangers.
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Some maybes…

Its a legitimate business with amazing annual revenue generation capacity and a very committed customer base and friends on high.

It was a unique opportunity to talk down a share price to the disadvantage of some mug punters and to get significant control level shareholding quite cheaply. 

With an inside well-coiffeured friend in situ he had access to knowledge most people wouldn’t have access to.

There are various sub companies in the group where personal unseen revenue streams might be forthcoming.

It might even be a good way to repatriate monies from South Africa or maybe elsewhere into the UK or indeed somewhere else.

Chairman of an establishment club is also a nice position to have if you have an ego that needs constant tending and you know that no media outlet will ever look at what is really happening under the bonnet. 

Maybe there is also an opportunity to take advantage of some other directorial shareholders, who may be real Rangers men, but are just not be as incisive with the particulars skills G&SL seems to have built his wealth upon.

And finally if there is a sort of nod and wink understanding in certain quarters that when the time is right that SDM and a new consortium will come to the rescue then the shares will be worth having.

Or control of a situation that needs Blair Nimmo or Bryan Jackson called in?
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But what do I know anyway?


It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
John Clark – Have you been tapped up?


Fans for Judicial Review – Counsel Opinion
A few initial thoughts on the counsels view that “There is not a case in law to force the SFA to comply”.

i.e. The SFA has the right not to have a review because there is no precedent.

(I wish Paul McConville was still with us).

Firstly there may be no precedent and yes in law that makes it difficult but surely there must always be a first to make a precedent.

Could this be a first?

Then two thoughts are about following the money because that may also be a route that offers traction.

As someone who paid money to watch the game over the period do I personally and or jointly with other fans who similarly paid have the right to take action either against my club or the SFA?

Are there precedents here?

And on a larger scale if our government have provided funds in any way during the period do we as fans have the right to take action against the government or the government the right to take action against the SFA?

There will almost certainly be precedents here because Government money always comes with built-in controls and conditions attatched.

And looking forward will the Scottish Government ever agree to be seen to provide future funds to an organisation which has highly questionable internal and no external controls?


Who Is Conning Whom?
So the Derek McInnes “Tapping by Media” project failed well after the 11th hour when the media had told us he was already choosing curtains in Glasgow.
The Ibrox club and their fans were convinced by their chairman’s statement last week at the AGM and the media barrage too and last night were in shock and caught napping – hence the stupid press statement and attempt to make it known to us all that they didn’t really want him anyway and were just having a concomitant kick at the McInnes/Docherty tyres.

However that isn’t all that happened yesterday.

There was a wee meeting at Hampden called “The SFA Congress and Convention”.

Its a kind of series of regular very important meetings where everyone who is valued in football gets invited to see what a great job Stewart Regan and the SFA are undertaking on our behalf. 
And let me say that there is no doubt that some of what The Congress seeks to do and does will indeed be for the good but we the fans wouldn’t know it because we were not invited.
This is a paragraph from this weeks SFSA (Scottish Football Supporters Association) newsletter that I received having filled in their recent survey on Scottish Football.
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The SFA Convention this ThursdayOn Thursday, member clubs will gather at Hampden for the 2017 Scottish FA convention to share best practice, discuss current trends and participate in workshops geared towards improving the game: scotfa.co/convention17  according to their publicity on social media. Sadly the SFA has failed to invite any representative from Scotland’s only national fans organisation, the SFSA. We had anticipated that given the huge amount of unpaid work that we do for fans and clubs and being Scotland’s representatives at the Football Supporters Europe network our presence might have been merited. Despite claiming it has invited the “football family” the SFA have missed yet another opportunity to engage properly with ordinary football supporters. Could it possibly be related to the independent academic research that we organised last month that dared to criticise the governance of the game or maybe the invite was just lost in the post?
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The failure to engage with fans is nonsense.

SFSA’s recent research asked some real questions from over 16000 bona fide Scottish fans. This was an incredible response that provided an incredible insight into what we the fans really think.
I know that Supporters Direct Scotland who are funded by the SFA were there as valued guests but SFSA who have people like Henry McLeish (of the report) and Cathy Jamieson (of Bernard son) on their board were not even invited.

Given that economic analysis of revenue generation confirms that in Scotland the real stakeholders and economic generators are us the fans
We are the people (Sic) who pay for season books and buy merchandise and pies and fund the clubs and their wages.
The people who get to see English Internationals on council telly but not our own country’s.
The people whose game seems to only have Betting Company Sponsors.
The people whose administrators cannot organise things like properly numbered balls in their top cup competitions so that there are two Brora Rangers in some draws!

Why were the SFSA not invited as valued members and contributors to your Congress Stewart?

Are the real fans and their views such a threat to your Congress and Convention?

Is there a danger they might ask questions that don’t fit with your pre determined script?

And a wee hint to the SMSM
Isn’t there a story in this?


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