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Re Gordon Smith on Sportsound yesterday. One of the most …

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Re Gordon Smith on Sportsound yesterday. One of the most staggering views he offered was that during the EBT years there were two very exciting last day finishes, in 2003 and 2005, where of course Rangers pipped Celtic to the league on both occasions. He also cited Celtic winning the league during the EBT period as evidence Rangers had no advantage. Even more incredibly he cited Rangers winning the league before the EBT period as evidence there was no advantage, which of course was the period that the then Bank of Scotland financed them to a level way beyond what they should have. I thought his comments were utterly disgraceful and completely overlooked the whole point of the debate.  

Gordon Smith is a former player and Director of Rangers 2012 (IL). He was part of an Ibrox board which, in a completely separate case, withheld millions in PAYE and N.I. He was the CEO of the SFA when EBT’s were in place. They did nothing about it then and they are doing nothing about it now. It is an utter disgrace that Smith was paid money from the public purse yesterday to act as a propagandist for Rangers, because that’s what he did. The BBC could have saved themselves money and simply interviewed some people smoking outside the Louden Tavern – the views would have been broadly the same.

There will be no ‘moving on’ here, and as a reminder to Chick Young as well, the sleeping dogs will have to be wakened, no matter how aggressive they become. 

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RYANGOSLINGJULY 21, 2017 at 00:31  
Upthehoops, thanks for your response. I’ve recognised my club’s weaknesses on here many times, but the justification given for support of clubs in Europe here is always that they are the Scottish representatives, which Rangers were. You can’t claim (and I don’t mean you particularly) to support the Scottish representatives but then exclude some because they aren’t financially well managed. Rangers mk II have been run at a loss but have broken no rules, and are not the first club in Scotland or in Europe to have been run at a loss. Again, I have been a vocal critic on here of the Rangers administration, but if people are on here claiming to support the Scottish representatives but making an exception for Rangers then I say they are hypocrites. 

Ryan, I think the animosity felt towards Rangers goes way beyond them being run at a financial loss. That is part of it of course, because due to those losses many people feel they were incorrectly awarded a licence to play in Europe this season by the SFA. There has been no transparent explanation given to show that is not the case.

You could argue, with some justification, many Celtic fans have always taken pleasure in seeing Rangers exit Europe, although that particular aspect of football rivalry is not exclusive to Scotland. However my experience over the years is that many fans of other clubs were always willing to get behind Rangers in Europe. I don’t see that so much now and to me the reasons for that are pretty straightforward, and that is the conduct and attitude of Rangers supporters and various Ibrox regimes both pre and post liquidation. The lack of contrition and a refusal to accept any wrong doing whatsoever sticks in the craw of many other fans, as does the ridiculous notion that all others in Scottish football are to blame for where Rangers are. The Craig Whyte court case strongly suggested the club was heading for ruin no matter who was in charge. The Court of Session and the Supreme Court represented the business end of the big tax case – Rangers lost 8-0. Yet the official reaction of fans and board was to lash out at Celtic and issue veiled threats.  As long as the ‘keep the good bits, ditch the bad bits’ attitude prevails from fans and board, it’s unlikely in my view that many other fans in Scotland will be wishing Rangers well in the foreseeable future. 

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RYANGOSLINGJULY 20, 2017 at 22:19  
Jimbo you were not as vocal in your support for Scottish representation in Europe when Rangers were (briefly) involved. Neither was anyone else here, somewhat disappointingly. 

To play Devil’s Advocate Ryan, a club which generally lashes out and makes zero attempt to build bridges is unlikely to attract many sympathisers.

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SMUGASJULY 19, 2017 at 08:01
If Celtic had been guilty of any wrongdoing as well I would have sympathy with your point. The duopoly argument is separate in my view. They didn’t have to do all they did to protect Rangers to maintain that if that is their only desire. The protection of Rangers to the extent it happened in my view has a far deeper reason.

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ALLYJAMBOJANUARY 2, 2018 at 11:07

Wow! I know we are not meant to put much store on the thumbs up or down, but two people have given thumbs down to this post! Who on earth could find fault with a post respecting the dead from the Ibrox disaster?


A bit puzzled at the thumbs down myself A.J, but there’s nowt queerer than folk as they say!

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On this day in 1971, the Ibrox disaster happened during a Rangers v Celtic game at Ibrox. 66 fans died in a crush. Some of us remember that day, some of us may even have been there, while some of us would not even be on this earth at the time. 

We are all football fans. Nobody should go to a football match and never return home. Rest in Peace.

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CLUSTER ONEJANUARY 1, 2018 at 19:27

“If they move out of Hampden, the SFA are in danger of leaving themselves hostages to Rangers and Celtic,” said Queen’s Park president Alan Hutchison.


I am a Celtic shareholder and if it was up to me (which it is not), I would tell the SFA here and now that Celtic Park is unavailable for any future fixture.  However I know that will not happen, but I doubt there is anything they could do to force Celtic to allow them use of the stadium.  

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ALLYJAMBOJANUARY 1, 2018 at 12:18

I see, too, that PMGB is issuing challenges, in two posts, to the Ibrox based boards to issue denials of what he is telling us.


I see it is alleged £800k is owed to suppliers. In my view unless any of it is due to a financial behemoth such as one of the big six energy suppliers, then we are unlikely to see any winding up requests heading towards court. It simply wouldn’t be worth the risk for any small supplier in Scotland to do that. Having said that I find it remarkable anyone is willing to extend them any sort of credit at all, or are they worried about the bully boys on that score as well?

I’m sure the SFA will want to satisfy themselves all is well though. I am also sure a herd of pink elephants takes off from Glasgow Airport at 20:00hrs tonight with the moon as their destination.

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Phil McG alleging a surveyor has recently visited Rangers training ground to attain a valuation, and that King has also approached a non-Uk Finance House. As Phil says this may well be King raising funds to make a share offer, but IMO it could be to raise working capital too. 

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