Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns

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I should have added above, what about the image rights …

Comment on Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns by Darkbeforedawn.

I should have added above, what about the image rights tax cases? Again major teams including Chelsea have been found to have abused the tax system in order to minimise their bills. How can we possibly punish every team for financial irregularities? It’s not the same as deliberate cheating the sort we witnessed in Italy a decade ago?

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Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
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Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
The Rangers Tax Case was seen as a test study into EBTs in football, and many media outlets think this is the tip of the iceberg, particularly in England. Surely the SFA should consult with their cross border counterparts on what actions may be taken? Arsenal have already settled an EBT case for their title winning year, so if we are applying the logic Rangers should have titles stripped because they were using illegal means of paying their players, surely Arsenals league titled should be taken away? And what if a number of other big fish in England are found guilty? Imagine how it would look if Scotland stripped rangers of 14 titles, and (just an example) Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal are all found to have operated a similar scheme and not had any action taken?


Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
Thanks for the responses folks and I appreciate the reasoned debate and acceptance on these boards. As someone who has never been on a non Rangers forum (well since the BBC 606 boards closed down!!), I have always just referred to as Old Firm and have never got involved in the Old Club New Club debate, so where I refer to them as such know I’m not looking for an argument and just replace with as you wish when you read :-). 
I understand the argument of the liquidation causing the club to be admitted to the lower divisions, but I would still put across the point that for everyone involved in this whole scenario, from the fans, to the players, the staff and everyone else (apart from Murray of course!) have still suffered more than most fans as a result?
So would I be right in saying that the LNS commission had already looked into the separate contracts/side letters and that was where the fine came from? In which case whether the EBT was legal or not was largely irrelevant, and the club were found guilty of having side letters that weren’t properly registered? To overturn this now, would require the whole LNS agreement to be overturned?


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It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
Stevie BC, the issue with declaring himself bankrupt is it stops him holding any director role in a company in the UK and possibly South Africa. I can’t see him doing that “for the sake of the club”. I think like Murray before him he likes the limelight. He knows very well the best option for the club would be resign as any acting party in the club and still provide the soft loans. It would take all scrutiny away from the club and could leave the chairman role to someone more respected such as Alistair Johnston. That would stop the risk of the TOP ruling having such a huge impact on the club. It’s the selfless and obvious choice to make and he could still be seen as the saviour from abroad saving the club through loans, but he wouldn’t get the same exposure he so much craves. His defiance is what will lead to his downfall and his selfishness could lead lead to the downfall of the club. 


It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
As a member of The Tartan army I have always hated Hampden. It’s the worst stadium to get too, has the worst atmosphere and the worst places to view a game. My preference would be Murryfield but I would settle for alternatives between the other major stadium. I don’t like going to Celtic Park for Scotland games (the rangers fan in me) and I can see why Celtic fans wouldn’t want to go to Ibrox. Pittodrie is far to far to travel for me so Murryfield would seem the obvious. As a regular rugby goer I love the atmosphere in Murryfield and the transportation there is easy for almost everyone to get too. 


It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
Jimbo, I fully agree that the league this season is far to close to call. It’s a great advert for Scottish football that anyone can beat anybody else on their day. For what it’s worth I can’t see anyone beating Celtic to the league. They will drop points but I’m sure they will strengthen in January and the games against Hearts and the old firm game will give your players a kick up the arse. 

As for second place, it could be any of four teams. I hope it’s Rangers and we can start stringing together a decent number of results, but Aberdeen, Hibs or Hearts could all do it. The league is so unpredictable than any of 4 teams could finish 2nd and any of 4 teams could be relegated. To further add to the unpredictability I fear Rangers could lose some decent players as I can’t see us offloading the duds. If the accounts were based on shedding the wage bill, and no-one takes on Pena or Herrera then I fear Morales, Tavernier or even McCrorie may be sold to free up cash. 

Happy New Year everyone and here’s for a great season


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Jimbo, as much as it pains me to say so I would argue Celtics record of signing players and selling them on would equate to a massive profit when all considered. Van Dyk, Wanyama, Dembelle (when he goes). My club could only dream of such sales. Yes you have had flops but by and large, in the last 5 years I can’t think of any big money signings you have lost money on. Add in free transfers of Craig Gordon (who we had training with us and McCoist decided Bell and Simonnson were a better option ffs!) and Sinclair and it’s clear you have a transfer strategy the rest of us could only dream off! It sickens me to see my rivals make such astute signings while my own team think lucrative deals for mid thirties has been a like Kranjcar, Barton, Sendoras and Alves is the way forward. In the entire time of the ‘Banter years’ only Morales has struck me as a decent signing in the sense we will make good money of him. 

Even going back further we have never had the same vision in the transfer market. The 90s and 2000s were littered with both half’s of the old firm signing players past their best (Kanchelskis, Graveson) or huge flops (Flo, Shidt). However Celtic learned from their lesson and now have one of the best models in football while Rangers continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. 


It Is Better To Offer No Excuse Than A Bad One
MT, I believe HMRC have already started procedings to reclaim tax from the beneficiaries of the scheme. I don’t think they can do anything about the foreigners who no longer live here, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that is why so many of the uk based beneficiaries are secruring football pundit roles. I know the party line on this website is to not feel sorry for them, however if a number of guys are going to lose their whole livelihood over something their employers told them was above board then I can’t help but have sympathy for them


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