Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns

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AllyjamboJuly 8, 2017 at 10:09 “Until now, we have all looked …

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AllyjamboJuly 8, 2017 at 10:09

“Until now, we have all looked at the mis-registration aspect only to be a ploy to avoid detection by HMRC, and undoubtedly it was, but I think it has blinded us to the quite simple fact that improper payments, definitely illegal within the confines of football, and possibly criminal within the law of the land, were made.”

Is the general lack of inertia in addressing this matter a symptom of a wider culture of casual payments within the game? We know that historically football has been quite lax in its fiscal controls. Does this history confer a collective guilt that makes clubs reluctant to become animated in current circumstances?

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Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
I was watching some youtube concerning chaos theory a few days ago. Not that I understood it fully but the basic concepts were intelligible to me.

Chaotic behavour might be experienced by bridges for instance during high wind events. The predictable environment for which the structure was designed to sustain might be breached and oscillations set up that ultimately shake the thing to bits.
It seems that any system can sustain a certain level of complexity: Parameters that are exceeded without any catastrophic consequences. However if the ‘complexity’ continues to increase then it is likely that at some point the system will fall into chaos.
I think that is where we might be in the timeline of the farrago. Pressure has been ratcheted up over a number of years and now a major event has introduced a whole new level of complexity.
The SFA currently probably have the least control over events than at any time since 2012. Their tactics will be reactive: They will have no coherent forward strategy: They will not be in possession of an ethical framework that might help guide them to safety.
LNS now looks like part of the cover up. However this malfeasance was hidden in plain sight. Rather than being an instrument to mock football fans and supporters it has now turned into a gravestone that seems only to be lacking an inscription and dates. Football supporters weren’t meant to be able to decipher the legal jargon. In reality if you scratch the surface of the rhetoric of bile there is beneath a cohort of supporters who have a firm grip on the facts. Those supporters help inform their associates and thus attempts to create a false narrative have been foiled.
The situation is finely balanced between order and chaos. Who knows what events might sway this balance.
Perhaps a fans group will take some sort of legal action. Perhaps clubs will start to exact influence. Perhaps a wealthy private individual will take it upon themselves to mount some kind of legal challenge to LNS. These option may not all be feasible but there may be many others not yet considered that are.
Either way it looks like the good ship SFA is taking another voyage through the icebergs.

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
 DunderheidJuly 7, 2017 at 21:35
I wonder: can anyone give me a link to the SFA’s rules vis-à-vis the powers of its Board?

Might be amongst this lot. Hopefully the multiple links will stick.
SFA articles of association


SFA registration procedures
SFA cup competition rules
SFA’s club licensing criteria (December 2013)

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns
DarkbeforedawnJuly 6, 2017 at 10:54

“Rangers were never, at any time, accused of operating an illegal tax evasion scheme and if they had been, this would be a criminal proceedings and not a civil one.”
” However, I cannot think of a single example in history where a club has had trophies stripped for owing a debt?”

The validity of the honours won during the EBT period is not questioned simply because the club had debts. The footballing integrity argument arises from the mis-registration of players.
RFC might argue that they believed the payments they made were legitimate loans and need therefore not appear as part of a players contract on their registration document. To accept such a level of ‘self-certification’ however would render the whole registration process pointless. The so called loans were so obviously part of the players contract that their absence from the registration process could be best explained by a wish to keep them hidden from simple scrutiny.
In effect the registration rules were circumvented to facilitate a commercial risk.
That doesn’t look a lot like sporting integrity to me.

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ReiverJune 25, 2016 at 19:25

“My anger at that is not toward the Scottish players or the various Scottish managers. It is against.. well I don’t need to say who cos you already know.”
It is to stretch credulity to blame the current absence of the national team from the Euros on off the field events over the last few years. Nevertheless I have some sympathy with the outlook.

The issue is leadership. Strong leaders have integrity and can imbue loyalty in their cohorts. Their actions have an overall logic to them that manifests itself over time. They have a strong vision and are not blown off course by incidental events.

It could be tangibly argued that these qualities are absent from the upper tiers of sports administration in Scotland. Not to at least consider this connection is remiss. If you can’t formulate a strategy and follow it through to its logical conclusion then how can you possible measure your own success.

The Scotland team has every bit as much opportunity to achieve success as any of the other home nations. There have been a number of players on display at the Euros that are either playing or have played in the Scottish league (McGinn, McLean, Ledley, McGeady, Davis etc). The absence of strong and coherent leadership in the SFA should not be underestimated as a deadweight on national team performance.

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Johnbud78June 23, 2016 at 04:05

“Just because he is asking questions does not exempt him from scrutiny, what are the questions? Who were they asked to? Are these things not important?”
EJ is as we would all recognise and as you graciously acknowledge Johnbud78, a highly valued contributor to the blog. He has taken the trouble to be in the various courtrooms (along with John Clark) to look into Grant Russel’s eyes. Despite this legitimacy, like you, I feel obliged to question GR’s motives.

In a propaganda exercise of this sort it is necessary on occasions to throw scraps from the table to keep the dog from chewing your leg. Defusing viewpoints by seeming to give some ground fits well with the typical propaganda model. You can garner some credence which can then be used to deflate further attacks.

A propaganda model with too sharp a silhouette will clearly be seen for what it is. By occupying grey areas GR perhaps achieves the purpose of muddying the waters.

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Corrupt officialJune 22, 2016 at 23:29

“… and they thought that if they sat on it long enough it would blow over”
That’s sometimes what victory looks like. A stifling nil-nil draw may not have the regalia of triumphant victory but if that perseverance gets you were you want to be then you have achieved your end.

In the process of achieving this defeat the SMSM have shown themselves up to be creatures of the establishment and the establishment has shown itself up in turn to be inept.

Scottish football supporters in general may not have the full detail of the malfeasance that has taken place within their sport but they know it has happened. Likely just about everyone will know the guy in the vicinity that IS able to rhyme off chapter and verse were all the skeletons have been wardrobed. The truth is out there and the truth has set us free. Do not believe that no achievement has occurred, for that would be to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Even the most die hard Rangers supporters will be aware that stinky stuff has occurred. Every denial of fact has marked out the scene of the crime. They may turn away in horror but only because the sight is horrific. Indeed it is probably all the greater in their imagination where wilful ignorance is at its height.

The SMSM has expended all its efforts to no good effect.

Which brings to mind that salutory tale of Greek General Pyrrhus recounted on this blog many a time. To quote his own words;
“If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined”.

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hen1rikJune 22, 2016 at 09:50

“Can someone tell me who picks the awards for our award winning journalist at the daily record ?”
No awards for journalism are given. It is an award for maintaining the status quo (patronage). They are fit only to be great in little things.

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ReiverJune 22, 2016 at 09:34

“…I find my initial judgement, that it will be down to the fans themselves, strengthening in my mind.”
Your endeavours are admirable and may yet bear fruit. Your obvious frustration opens up another, highly speculative, vista to my mind.

Football supporters and fans are essential for the health of the game, both ethically and financially.

Supporters provide essential gate receipts to clubs and fans buy merchandise and assist in club marketing and off-field commercial activities. Yet both supporters and fans are dis-enfranchised from the decision making process.

If this were a food retailer, they would feel no particular obligation to pander to their customers other than to maintain their own commercial viability. Football is a bit different however. The whole edifice has been built on supporter and fan involvement from the very inception of the game. At the earliest stages of the sport many clubs were amateur and the involvement of supporters and fans was crucial in facilitating the commercial success currently enjoyed by the game.

From a moral standpoint, supporters and fans cannot be viewed as simply customers. To do this is an error.

The insight provided by the Rangers case study tells us that the commercial colonisation of football fails to understand the underlying ethos. This cultural dislocation has led to the anomalies we have witnessed. These errors have had a significant, though arguable, commercial affect on the game. Supporters and fans as the true custodians of the game understand these shortcomings in a way that their commercial colonists fail to perceive. There is an expertise that is not being made use of.

In the longer term I speculate that there could and should be a role for supporter and even fan representation. It might take the following form.

The supporters clubs of each league team elect one representative to go forward to a football supporters convention (or forum). This convention then elects a single representative who takes a seat on the board of the SFA. By having supporter representation in the upper echelons of the game the errors that have lately been witnessed might be obviated. The supporters representative would be delegated by the convention to carry forward decisions of the whole convention. As a board member of a private organisation they would be limited in how much information they could transact. However there would be at least some opportunity for supporter expertise to influence governance decisions.

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