Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns


MACFURGLY JULY 20, 2017 at 12:05         Jingso.JimsieJuly 20, 2017 at 11:18—————– Agreed, but the …

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JULY 20, 2017 at 12:05        

Jingso.JimsieJuly 20, 2017 at 11:18—————–

Agreed, but the SC decision, in my view, gives this a new imperative and provides a new opportunity.The 5WA and associated indemnities were, again in my view, undesirable to say the least, but I don’t think anyone is in danger of ending up in court over them.“Best course of action at the time…”“Based on legal advice …”“Need for review in light of recent SC decision…”“Good of the game at an unprecedented time of confusion…”“With the benefit of hindsight…”“Having taken further legal advice…”“With UEFA breathing down our necks…”Use the SC decision to bin LNS and the 5WA at the same time. Independently review the whole thing. Clean up the mess, Regan and Doncaster can get out from underneath it and retire quietly with the best reputations they are ever going to get now and we can get our credibility and integrity back. The clubs need to urge their representatives on the Boards to do this, and quickly.

I understand what you’ve written & why, but the issue is that the SFA/SPFL hierarchies are inward-looking, self-serving & self-protectionist. They have become caught-up in maintaining those positions, rather than administering the game in a fair & even-handed manner & accepting whatever criticism comes with doing so.

Possibly, they are even at the stage where they can’t countenance the possibility that they have taken the wrong path, despite all the indicators showing that they have.

Freely admit culpability? That’s not going to happen. Be blamed? That might.

As an aside, I’m intrigued by John James’ view that welcoming P. Lawwell onto the Professional Game Board is akin to the Greeks & the Trojan Horse. We’ll have to wait & see!

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Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns

JULY 20, 2017 at 10:35

At the risk of repeating myself:

All the SFA/SPFL talk of legal advice received should be viewed through the prism of those bodies (and individuals) protecting themselves as a first priority & the integrity of the game being secondary (at best).

The SFA/SPFL aren’t going to commit seppuku. They’ll continue to close ranks & wait for the storm to blow over.

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns

Being of a cynical nature, I’d suspect that when Capt. Mainwaring & Sgt. Wilson, sorry I mean Reagan & Doncaster, briefed the lower ranks, there was much use of terms similar to ‘expert’ or even ‘legal advice’, ‘civil disobedience’, ‘police involvement’, ‘need to know’, ‘confidentiality’ and, of course, ‘executive powers’ etc. etc.

There may even have been a Cpl. Jones (Ogilvie?) in the room, shouting ‘Don’t panic, don’t panic!’

Big Chuck (Pte. Walker?) played the SFA/SPL/SFL like an old fiddle. Paganini would have been proud of him.

(Jim Ballantyne would be Pte. Pike in my fanciful scenario.)

Time for Scots Government to Take Bull by the Horns

JULY 17, 2017 at 15:31        

Following on from a couple of good points mentioned above, about being able to strip titles, or not ;
1) A restrictive clause is included in the ‘Secret 5 Way Agreement’ ?
I don’t believe that is true, or if its is, it is not worth the paper it’s written on, as those representing the SFA & SPL at the time where acting beyond their authority.
To expand the logic: if the SFA/SPFL claim they cannot strip titles because of the 5WA content, then IMO, they would be implying;
“All senior clubs are bound by our rules – except where we decide to make a secret / private arrangement for the benefit of an unspecified club at any time in the future.” 


There’s a very small circle of people who actually know what’s in the 5WA/side-letters/adjuncts. I don’t.

The advice that the SFA & SPFL are getting from their ‘Big Giant Legal Heids’ appears to be based on protecting those bodies (and members) from exposure/embarrassment/possible litigation, not on protecting the integrity of the game, which, after all, is their supposed purpose. 

That, in itself, should be enough to make one wonder what is included in the documents known as the 5WA. I’m in the ‘anything’s possible from C. Green’ camp. Perhaps he did ask for no title stripping & was surprised when his request was granted. Perhaps there’s a time limit on the 5WA & nothing included in it is presently actionable. 

We just don’t know. Without transparency from the SFA & SPFL, we’ll likely never know.

…until Chuckles writes his book!

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Re potential transfers out of TRFC: any club interested in a player will (or should) be aware that the club is cash-strapped. It may well be that half a dozen may have to go make a dent in that £4m (even including getting them off the payroll).

That Warburton has been sacked when the MSM talk was that he intended to plunder TRFC for a couple of players in this window is an issue the Ibrox board  may have to concern themselves with.

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DECEMBER 28, 2017 at 15:38

It doesn’t matter if it is paid to a trust or your aunt Agatha, you still have to pay the tax. I have no idea why they use the name Agatha, but they do. 

PG Wodehouse: Bertie Wooster has a fearsome Aunt Agatha. 

Wikipedia also states that ‘Aunt Agatha”, or “Great Aunt Agatha”, is a term sometimes used somewhat disparagingly by workers in the City of London’s financial markets to describe a risk-averse, low-volume, non-corporate investor.’

Here endeth today’s lesson. (For me, too. I was aware of Bertie’s aunt, but not of the financial reference.)

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Perhaps I have the wrong end of the stick, but it’s my understanding that whatever RIFC wish to do with regards to their Res.11 undertaking is predicated on the TOP & Lord Bannatyne.

If Lord Bannatyne decides the TOP’s ruling with regard to DCK is enforceable, then the ‘shares’ clock/timetable is turned back to 12 April 2017, the date by which DCK should have bid for the remaining stake in RIFC. Res.11 would be null & void due to changed legal circumstances & it would be as if it was never voted on at the AGM.

If M’Lud decides that the TOP’s findings are unenforceable, then Res.11 applies.

Happy to be corrected if the above is wrong.

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DECEMBER 20, 2017 at 17:48

IMO, following the prolonged McInnes debacle, TRFC is now playing a high risk game.

By not appointing a new manager and by not paying potential compensation – the Blue Room is in full control over January player movement, or player departures mostly.

So, with Murts temporarily manning the tiller TRFC can try to avoid another cash crisis next month. [?]

But…what if TRFC receives a right good humping at Celtic Park on the 30th ?

Whatever the results between now & the end of the year, Murty is nominally in charge.

Despite Craig Swan in the DR waving the flag for Tony Pulis, TRFC simply can’t afford a high six-figure salary (or low seven-figure pay-packet) for a manager, who’d actually be a coach given that there’s a DoF in post. I don’t know if Pulis has worked with a DoF in any of his previous jobs. I also don’t know if TRFC could afford to dispose of the DoF, or handle the media/fan flaming that would result.

I still suspect that a senior player will step into the player-coach role at minimal, if any, cost & TRFC will continue, as they are at the moment, to be managed by a committee (DoF, Johansen, Murty, said player-coach & PR guru) until May/June 2018.

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