Time to Make Things Happen

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HomunculusJune 17, 2017 at 19:34   ALLYJAMBOJUNE 17, 2017 at 18:27 a) They …

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HomunculusJune 17, 2017 at 19:34  
ALLYJAMBOJUNE 17, 2017 at 18:27 a) They have a major investor/consortium in the pipeline.b) There is another round of directors’ loans coming.c) They have promises of investment (USA?).d) They have plans to go ahead with the dissolution of pre-emption rights and believe a share/rights issue will be highly successful.e) They think Craig Whyte was a genius and that it was only because he had to stick with Super Ally    that his master plan to make millions from Europe failed.f) They intend crashing the bus.==============================a, b, and c, would all really just be loans, call them “soft loans” if people want, it’s still debt. The previous club went down the debt for “success” route. We know what happened there. A major sponsorship deal would be a different scenario though. As I understand it they have just re-signed with Red32.d, Most of that income is already spent, the c£14m debt is apparently to be swapped for equity. So the shares are already paid for, or at least the majority are.e, They would have to win the SPFL premiership, then qualify for the CL group stages to make massive money from Europe. That is not happening this season, they did not win the premiership. f, I don’t see it, not intentionally. Why would “surrender no” Johnston have agreed to join the board. Losing one club is careless …
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At no time was I suggesting any of the scenarios were likely to have been successfully achieved, or would prove to solve TRFC’s long term problems, just that they might provide more certain short term funding (for that it the only kind TRFC have had since the IPO) than their European jaunt. We have also got to remember that we are talking about a club run by Dave King and assorted rich men who have proved themselves bad judges of character, the more decent of them appear to be taking more of a back seat, too, leaving King and P Murray to look upon funding in any way they see fit. I can well imagine that after all this time of trying to convince all the bears that soft loans are investments, that they have come to accept them as such themselves. It happens to people who continually lie and/or have no intention of being around long enough to smell the stuff after it hits the fan.

In any event, soft loans will be better than a European gamble. As for points d,e and f, I referred to the very points you make, saying that for the sake of the post that I was ignoring the possible court cases costs (possibly rather large) and in the first paragraph referred to their ‘rather precarious starting position’. I as trying to show that, even if they were starting from a zero position, with only the normal costs of running a football club to be met, the ‘business plan’ was a very flawed one, but add in the points you make and it becomes even more than flawed, a recipe for disaster, as if plan B was…crash the bus, or, perhaps, just give up trying to steer it! In fact, ‘crashing the bus’ is not usually a plan, it’s just the extreme consequences of a bad one.

As things stand, we can be pretty sure that points a) to d), regardless of what the reality of their closeness to ‘investment’ is, have already been tried, though we can’t be sure that they have failed.

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JINGSO.JIMSIEJUNE 19, 2017 at 11:11

Rest assured, TRFC’s first ever Europen campaign will be covered on TV, from start to finish, no matter who they play.  Just think of the coverage they got in the lowest tier of the Scottish league for evidence of that.


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Cluster OneJune 18, 2017 at 17:41  
ALLYJAMBOJUNE 18, 2017 at 10:20I do feel that if we are being critical of any survival plan that TRFC might appear to be following, that as well as showing how or why it is likely to fail, we must also look at the more positive aspects of how it might just pay off for them. After all, there has to be something that makes them believe their plan might work, no matter how slim the chances of success are. It is still a long shot, though, but long shots sometimes pay off, just not very often.£20 per bum on seat,————————–First time in europe no matter the opposition, i think the ibrox club will be charging more than £20 per bum on seat.Or maybe as a goodwill gesture from the board they will charge £1 for a seat and £20 for a programe.Now where have i heard that marketing proposal before 
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I have absolutely no doubt they will, but I was looking at the net position after all costs and VAT have been deducted, then TV rights added before averaging out the ‘profit’ as 50,000 at £20 per bum. Not even a fag packet calculation, just an attempt to show how the estimate of £1m per home match is easily achievable for them, and makes Europa Cup participation potentially very lucrative for TRFC, despite the moderate level of prize money per round.


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HOMUNCULUSJUNE 18, 2017 at 00:30
Why does that have to be “remembered”. 
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A throwaway phrase to introduce the point I was about to make, nothing more.

My recent posts have not been written with any great insight nor financiàl analysis of TRFC’s plans, rather just a layman’s broad look at what appears to be happening at Ibrox, and with a lack of information in the media, I have gone with other people’s assessments, here and elsewhere, that have been written, over time, regarding the money TRFC might expect to make from European participation.

It has often been said that they would, in fact, be likely to make more money through gate receipts, corporate income and TV rights than they would from prize money, by a number of people who have looked at it in greater detail than I have, and I was merely trying to add some meat to Jimbo’s post. I remember being taken aback by someone’s suggestion they might make (presuming a full house) something in the region of £1m for each home tie, but on thinking about it, that would mean an overall return (including TV rights etc) of just £20 per bum on seat, a not impossible net average figure, would be required to raise them the £1m. Even an only half full Ibrox might see them net half a million. Again, though, the circumstances leading up to each home game could have an effect, with a good gubbing in the first leg, away from home, resulting in a lower home gate. I touched on this point in an earlier post.

I do feel that if we are being critical of any survival plan that TRFC might appear to be following, that as well as showing how or why it is likely to fail, we must also look at the more positive aspects of how it might just pay off for them. After all, there has to be something that makes them believe their plan might work, no matter how slim the chances of success are. It is still a long shot, though, but long shots sometimes pay off, just not very often.


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StevieBC 8th May 2020 at 12:54

I think your point was addressed in page 2 of the SPFL letter, Stevie, (sorry, can't copy and paste it) in the paragraph that begins, 'Several of us have also been asked…' where it ends by saying that they can't comment until after the EGM, which I think would naturally be the case.

Can I say that the SPFL board do not seem to have missed TRFC, and in particular Stewart Robertson, and hit the wall. It is also clear from the paragraph I refer to that some of the clubs, at least, share our view that TRFC's actions are/were 'bringing the game into disrepute'. There appears to be genuine anger within the ranks of the SPFL, though it looks like Robertson has been set up to be the sacrificial lamb (or lump under the carpet) and may be used to deflect the full repercussions from the club he was acting on behalf of. 


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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 11:49 Allyjambo, all that’s a possible for sure but I just feel that for some fans it doesn’t matter if you wear the green and grey hoops or an orange away top you will fit your views around certain events in Scottish football to suit predetermined opinions/conspiracies. Scottish football is facing an uncertain future, as is our society, and the way Rangers have went about things has been an absolute embarrassment. I just can not see what they are hoping to achieve. Stay safe.

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I agree that many/most supporters of all clubs (even ones who conflate grey with white) form their opinions around whatever suits their argument, it is more or less the same in every aspect of life, but as you say, TRFC's vindictive attempt at achieving goodness knows what is an absolute embarrassment, especially to thinking bears; and Celtic, whether through integrity or just having smarter people at the top, are extremely unlikely to ever make such a pig's ear of trying to 'encourage' others to facilitate their required outcome.

Hope you stay safe, too.


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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 10:38

While Celtic may well have done their level best to ensure TRFC were not handed the league title I very much doubt they'd have come up with the amateurish 'dossier' type 'evidence' that TRFC have produced. For one thing, they wouldn't have had to try too hard to come up with some sort of leverage, such as Resolution12, or even threaten, privately, to raise the good old secret 5 Way Agreement. 

I'm pretty certain that Celtic could, if they so wished, end the Great Lie and finish off, not only TRFC, but also all those who aided and abetted them while involved in the game's governance in 2012 and for some time before and after. They could also just threaten to raise Financial Fair Play with UEFA showing how TRFC signed players they couldn't afford (even after they'd posted such disastrous, touch and go UEFA compliant, Accounts) that enabled them to go so far in the UEFA Cup.

It certainly appears that Celtic have little to fear from TRFC's vindictiveness in terms of honesty and rule breaking, while the opposite is true the other way round, which is why they, TRFC, have had to go after their erstwhile friends at Hampden.


Les Says It is Time to Ask The Audience?
Is there any posters on here that think TRFC's long awaited 'Dossier' was worth the wait, or does everyone agree that every doubt expressed as to the likelihood of it containing any 'smoking gun' evidence was right on the money?

I've not read it, and never will, but every critique I've read so far makes it clear that no one has found anything in it that should worry the two named SPFL board members, or anyone else involved (other than Stewart Robertson, TRFC's own man) and that it's nothing more than, at best, a list of questions to be answered, if anyone has the time.

Most notably, the distinct lack of any suggestion of 'bullying', far and away the most serious of the 'leaked' allegations, appears to be missing.

I have to say, though, that in my distrust of the game's governors I am a tad disappointed in it's patheticness*, as a can of worms once opened is very difficult to close, allowing more worms out that may at first have been sought. Anyone else feel the same way?

*Not an actual word, maybe, but then TRFC are not actually the club they claim to be either, so it's alright, see!


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Tweet from Graham Spiers

"Key part of Rangers’ accusatory statement of April 11: “bullying”. That is a very serious allegation about #SPFL governance. I’m wading through this RFC “dossier” trying to find evidence of “bullying” but haven’t found it yet. But give it time."

I'm sure page 200 will provide the smoking gun and it will take some time for all who have the dossier to reach mail


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